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layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
July 22 2013 21:26 GMT
#981
What happened to masoning scumreads?

this game is boring
Be the Best You Can Be ! Play MAFIA II http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/ II Dragonsound Best Band
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 22 2013 21:49 GMT
#982
I asked my scumread to mason me and it did strengthen the read.
Otherwise i am masoned with townies and useless idk-what-alignment.Oats.
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kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
July 22 2013 22:17 GMT
#983
rayne I'm sick of your useless spam then you beg for someone to donate posts.
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 22 2013 22:35 GMT
#984
at least i am trying to lynch mafia unlike you.
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layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
July 22 2013 22:40 GMT
#985
nice response rayne.

someone complains about you wasting posts and you waste a post with a fairly immature comment.

Is dr.h still in this game? Why did he get all mad?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 22 2013 23:02 GMT
#986
kushmasta and vayne;
- If i am town pardoner i am telling the truth which means mafia pardoned Sloosh which means he is scum.
- If i am scum pardoner i am probably lying about not pardoning Sloosh which means he is scum.

How can you reason voting me over Sloosh?

Also kush:
On July 23 2013 06:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I asked my scumread to mason me and it did strengthen the read.
Otherwise i am masoned with townies and useless idk-what-alignment.Oats.

How is this post "useless spam"? I just stated i have a townread on people i am masoned with, other than Oats. You on the other hand are voting for me over near confirmed scum Sloosh and you are calling my posts useless spam. Seriously fuck you. Same can be said about layabout who has done shit. I would quadruble vig you if i had shots because you guys are so fucking bad.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 22 2013 23:04 GMT
#987
Maybe i am going to pardon Sloosh today just to prove my role, because i am close to not giving shit about this game any more because of dumb people-
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kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
July 22 2013 23:27 GMT
#988
lol @rayne
number 1 no i would never vote for you over sloosh. that would be retarded beyond retarded.

I actually think you are town now that I thought about it more. Scum pardoner probably wouldn't claim you are right. And the reason why snb claimed, as marv pointed out to me, is because he had to do ##shoot in the thread for it to work.

Sorry I was an ass to you when I said that. It's just I got pissed that you told marv why did you give kush posts and not me, like your posts are so much more valuable than mine. Also I was at work also I had a headache.
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layabout
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom2600 Posts
July 23 2013 00:01 GMT
#989
On July 23 2013 08:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
kushmasta and vayne;
- If i am town pardoner i am telling the truth which means mafia pardoned Sloosh which means he is scum.
- If i am scum pardoner i am probably lying about not pardoning Sloosh which means he is scum.

How can you reason voting me over Sloosh?

Also kush:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2013 06:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I asked my scumread to mason me and it did strengthen the read.
Otherwise i am masoned with townies and useless idk-what-alignment.Oats.

How is this post "useless spam"? I just stated i have a townread on people i am masoned with, other than Oats. You on the other hand are voting for me over near confirmed scum Sloosh and you are calling my posts useless spam. Seriously fuck you. Same can be said about layabout who has done shit. I would quadruble vig you if i had shots because you guys are so fucking bad.

I have had no time to play since last Thursday. Til now. But no one is doing anything in thread.
Be the Best You Can Be ! Play MAFIA II http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/ II Dragonsound Best Band
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
July 23 2013 00:22 GMT
#990
On July 23 2013 03:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vayne. I hope you read this carefully and think about it because i am going to say this only once.

Your theory is that i claimed a pardoner, one of the best scum roles at the start of the game. Then my team silenced me right after gumshoe told me he is going to claim to me because apparently for scum!rayn it's better that he claimed to marv instead. I have bussed slOosh the whole game as i was the first one to votefor him and i was actively trying to got people to vote for him.

- There is no reason why i should/would have claimed pardoner as mafia. The thing that everyone now knows there actually is a pardoner in the game speaks in favor of that, because the only situation where it would be beneficial for scum (if i was scum) would be that there is not actually a pardoner at all.
- There is no reason why i would have myself silenced over some active townie if i was mafia. D1 was fucking inactive and if i silenced myself as mafia gains me nothing. Actually it does the opposite as gumshoe is about to claim to me.
- There is no reason i should have pushed slOosh the entire game as mafia, there have been other targets (like half of the players on D1). The only time i let go of sloosh for a while was when he masoned me. That was because i wanted to give him a chance to prove his towniness. Why would i not tell sloosh to even try to make some good shit up if i was mafia? We could have easily made him look better.

None of the actions you think i am scum for do make sense from scum!rayn pov. There would be no reason for me to claim pardoner if i was mafia. There was no benefit in silencing myself if i was mafia, actually it would only hurt my team (we lose a claim + power, for nothing). There is no reason i would have bussed sloosh for the entire game when there were like 10 other targets at that time.

Can you please try to understand why you are wrong on this, and can you please look for actual mafia if you are town?
thanks.


Alright I'll try to go through this. I know you think it's silly but you can't pretend like you couldn't pull this off. It's not that pretentious.

1. The bussing thing is irrelevant since if I am scum like you say I am, then what is the difference between us there?

2. You don't need the claim from gumshoe, the fact that he wanted to claim to you is enough to let you know its something fairly important. Also note that he died the first night...doesn't exactly help your case since you were masoned with him. I thought the silencing thing didn't make sense at first but lets be real it's not that great of a role. Why risk confirming some one as town when you can just silence a teammate? It reduces the effort they have to put in and makes them more townie. Its a win/win.

3. If you are a scum-sided pardoner then your best bet is to immediately claim and use your pardon without admitting it so that you can fuck with the town. If you don't claim then you are a lot less immune proof and you definitely don't get masoned by so many people. It allows you to be behind the scenes and manipulate people as a result of your claim.

4. just a repeat of 2

5. just a repeat of 1

The one thing you have going for you here that you didn't mention for whatever reason is that I don't think you are dumb enough to do the fake claim and then @ late game obviously everyone will wonder wtf you are still alive.

That fact alone is making me re-think that you are scum, but the rest of the stuff you just said? Doesn't really change anything about the theory.

In rebuttal

What is the difference between us when it comes to sloosh that you are trying to misrepresent/pounce on me for?

Why are you letting up now that its apparent that only MZ shares your interests (who I believe is scum for sure btw)

And as an aside, why do you think marv is so happy go lucky in this game? If we compare this game to the new game that just started where he's hydra'ed with VE, he is getting into some crazy arguments and being pretty confrontational. Here he's settling fights and just doing some basic analyzation but not really pushing for anything. If we cross analyze that with his "I don't get into fights as scum" thing I find it hard to believe he is town this game, but he doesn't feel like scum either.

3rd party marv?
I come in for the scraps
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 23 2013 00:56 GMT
#991
No, it's just that this is a completely different sort of game, so comparing the two styles is a pretty fruitless endeavour.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6789 Posts
July 23 2013 01:21 GMT
#992
Anyone else down for a wiggles lynch at some point?
Forti et Fideli ~ TL Mafia Forum: Come play with us! ~ Go Samsung KHAN, Stork, JangBi , Shine, Grape, and TurN Fighting!~ wat
Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
July 23 2013 05:44 GMT
#993
Down like funky town.

Pardoner really screws everything up. Hopefully Sloosh is scum, which I believe he is, but if he's not, it's probably gg.

Here goes nothing.
you gotta dance
Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6789 Posts
July 23 2013 07:21 GMT
#994
On July 23 2013 14:44 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Down like funky town.

Pardoner really screws everything up. Hopefully Sloosh is scum, which I believe he is, but if he's not, it's probably gg.

Here goes nothing.

where you been brah?
Forti et Fideli ~ TL Mafia Forum: Come play with us! ~ Go Samsung KHAN, Stork, JangBi , Shine, Grape, and TurN Fighting!~ wat
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
July 23 2013 07:48 GMT
#995
On July 23 2013 09:22 VayneAuthority wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2013 03:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vayne. I hope you read this carefully and think about it because i am going to say this only once.

Your theory is that i claimed a pardoner, one of the best scum roles at the start of the game. Then my team silenced me right after gumshoe told me he is going to claim to me because apparently for scum!rayn it's better that he claimed to marv instead. I have bussed slOosh the whole game as i was the first one to votefor him and i was actively trying to got people to vote for him.

- There is no reason why i should/would have claimed pardoner as mafia. The thing that everyone now knows there actually is a pardoner in the game speaks in favor of that, because the only situation where it would be beneficial for scum (if i was scum) would be that there is not actually a pardoner at all.
- There is no reason why i would have myself silenced over some active townie if i was mafia. D1 was fucking inactive and if i silenced myself as mafia gains me nothing. Actually it does the opposite as gumshoe is about to claim to me.
- There is no reason i should have pushed slOosh the entire game as mafia, there have been other targets (like half of the players on D1). The only time i let go of sloosh for a while was when he masoned me. That was because i wanted to give him a chance to prove his towniness. Why would i not tell sloosh to even try to make some good shit up if i was mafia? We could have easily made him look better.

None of the actions you think i am scum for do make sense from scum!rayn pov. There would be no reason for me to claim pardoner if i was mafia. There was no benefit in silencing myself if i was mafia, actually it would only hurt my team (we lose a claim + power, for nothing). There is no reason i would have bussed sloosh for the entire game when there were like 10 other targets at that time.

Can you please try to understand why you are wrong on this, and can you please look for actual mafia if you are town?
thanks.


Alright I'll try to go through this. I know you think it's silly but you can't pretend like you couldn't pull this off. It's not that pretentious.

1. The bussing thing is irrelevant since if I am scum like you say I am, then what is the difference between us there?

2. You don't need the claim from gumshoe, the fact that he wanted to claim to you is enough to let you know its something fairly important. Also note that he died the first night...doesn't exactly help your case since you were masoned with him. I thought the silencing thing didn't make sense at first but lets be real it's not that great of a role. Why risk confirming some one as town when you can just silence a teammate? It reduces the effort they have to put in and makes them more townie. Its a win/win.

3. If you are a scum-sided pardoner then your best bet is to immediately claim and use your pardon without admitting it so that you can fuck with the town. If you don't claim then you are a lot less immune proof and you definitely don't get masoned by so many people. It allows you to be behind the scenes and manipulate people as a result of your claim.

4. just a repeat of 2

5. just a repeat of 1

The one thing you have going for you here that you didn't mention for whatever reason is that I don't think you are dumb enough to do the fake claim and then @ late game obviously everyone will wonder wtf you are still alive.

That fact alone is making me re-think that you are scum, but the rest of the stuff you just said? Doesn't really change anything about the theory.

Being alive does not make me mafia, and you didn't comment on the "bussing Sloosh" part at all. But yeah, i can see your thought process behind the other stuff. I just don't think i need to use mafia powers in order to "confirm" me, i can handle shit otherwise as scum.

In rebuttal

What is the difference between us when it comes to sloosh that you are trying to misrepresent/pounce on me for?

Why are you letting up now that its apparent that only MZ shares your interests (who I believe is scum for sure btw)

And as an aside, why do you think marv is so happy go lucky in this game? If we compare this game to the new game that just started where he's hydra'ed with VE, he is getting into some crazy arguments and being pretty confrontational. Here he's settling fights and just doing some basic analyzation but not really pushing for anything. If we cross analyze that with his "I don't get into fights as scum" thing I find it hard to believe he is town this game, but he doesn't feel like scum either.

3rd party marv?

- I am not trying to misrepresent you. I was just saying D2 votes on Sloosh do not mean much. I actually think you are town as yu are trying to figure out stuff and i don't think mafia would call me out for the pardoning. I just got mad at you because i didn't understand how someone could think what you thought.
- What do you mean by letting up? You mean giving up? It's all emotional and i dealt with it already. I am gonna play the game, and yes, i could see MZ as scum too.
- The thing that bothers me about marv is that he was masoned with Vivax for a long time and they didn't get anything done besides votes on kholly. ´We know Vivax flipped town, so i dunno. marv could go either way but i have some serious doubts on him. He had a good post in analyzing the voting patterns but that's pretty much it.

All in all i would kill at least Sloosh / SnB before either one of marv/MZ.
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Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
July 23 2013 07:53 GMT
#996
I have been really really bad at this game and I apologize.

I wanna sheep vivax and lynch MZ. Unless kp is reduced with sloosh's death, I dont see why scum would use that role. I DUNNO.

ok lynch sloosh, fuck wifom.
No gg, No skill.
Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6789 Posts
July 23 2013 09:21 GMT
#997
Am I really worth killing? I'm just trying to stay out of the way, since vayne doesn't need vets I'm waiting to be dazzled by his scum hunting brilliance
Forti et Fideli ~ TL Mafia Forum: Come play with us! ~ Go Samsung KHAN, Stork, JangBi , Shine, Grape, and TurN Fighting!~ wat
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
July 23 2013 09:22 GMT
#998
On July 23 2013 18:21 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Am I really worth killing? I'm just trying to stay out of the way, since vayne doesn't need vets I'm waiting to be dazzled by his scum hunting brilliance

Worth killing? What?
How in the world are you a commodity?
No gg, No skill.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 23 2013 09:30 GMT
#999
On July 23 2013 18:21 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Am I really worth killing? I'm just trying to stay out of the way, since vayne doesn't need vets I'm waiting to be dazzled by his scum hunting brilliance


That's not even the main problem with what Oats said.

Vivax didn't say he wanted to lynch you at all? So I have no idea what Oats is talking about.

Wiggles is going through the motions and not even reading/responding to the thread at all anymore.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
July 23 2013 09:31 GMT
#1000
sheep vivax = not lynch dudes he said.
lynch MZ.

2 different things not clear in my post. I apologize.

Thoughts on MZ marv?
No gg, No skill.
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