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On July 23 2013 03:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vayne. I hope you read this carefully and think about it because i am going to say this only once.
Your theory is that i claimed a pardoner, one of the best scum roles at the start of the game. Then my team silenced me right after gumshoe told me he is going to claim to me because apparently for scum!rayn it's better that he claimed to marv instead. I have bussed slOosh the whole game as i was the first one to votefor him and i was actively trying to got people to vote for him.
- There is no reason why i should/would have claimed pardoner as mafia. The thing that everyone now knows there actually is a pardoner in the game speaks in favor of that, because the only situation where it would be beneficial for scum (if i was scum) would be that there is not actually a pardoner at all.
- There is no reason why i would have myself silenced over some active townie if i was mafia. D1 was fucking inactive and if i silenced myself as mafia gains me nothing. Actually it does the opposite as gumshoe is about to claim to me.
- There is no reason i should have pushed slOosh the entire game as mafia, there have been other targets (like half of the players on D1). The only time i let go of sloosh for a while was when he masoned me. That was because i wanted to give him a chance to prove his towniness. Why would i not tell sloosh to even try to make some good shit up if i was mafia? We could have easily made him look better.
None of the actions you think i am scum for do make sense from scum!rayn pov. There would be no reason for me to claim pardoner if i was mafia. There was no benefit in silencing myself if i was mafia, actually it would only hurt my team (we lose a claim + power, for nothing). There is no reason i would have bussed sloosh for the entire game when there were like 10 other targets at that time.
Can you please try to understand why you are wrong on this, and can you please look for actual mafia if you are town?
thanks.
Alright I'll try to go through this. I know you think it's silly but you can't pretend like you couldn't pull this off. It's not that pretentious.
1. The bussing thing is irrelevant since if I am scum like you say I am, then what is the difference between us there?
2. You don't need the claim from gumshoe, the fact that he wanted to claim to you is enough to let you know its something fairly important. Also note that he died the first night...doesn't exactly help your case since you were masoned with him. I thought the silencing thing didn't make sense at first but lets be real it's not that great of a role. Why risk confirming some one as town when you can just silence a teammate? It reduces the effort they have to put in and makes them more townie. Its a win/win.
3. If you are a scum-sided pardoner then your best bet is to immediately claim and use your pardon without admitting it so that you can fuck with the town. If you don't claim then you are a lot less immune proof and you definitely don't get masoned by so many people. It allows you to be behind the scenes and manipulate people as a result of your claim.
4. just a repeat of 2
5. just a repeat of 1
The one thing you have going for you here that you didn't mention for whatever reason is that I don't think you are dumb enough to do the fake claim and then @ late game obviously everyone will wonder wtf you are still alive.
That fact alone is making me re-think that you are scum, but the rest of the stuff you just said? Doesn't really change anything about the theory.
In rebuttal
What is the difference between us when it comes to sloosh that you are trying to misrepresent/pounce on me for?
Why are you letting up now that its apparent that only MZ shares your interests (who I believe is scum for sure btw)
And as an aside, why do you think marv is so happy go lucky in this game? If we compare this game to the new game that just started where he's hydra'ed with VE, he is getting into some crazy arguments and being pretty confrontational. Here he's settling fights and just doing some basic analyzation but not really pushing for anything. If we cross analyze that with his "I don't get into fights as scum" thing I find it hard to believe he is town this game, but he doesn't feel like scum either.
3rd party marv?
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Well this would be one of the weirder scum ploys if sloosh and marv are scum together, wouldn't throw it out completely after Les Mis where an "SK" was used to frighten the town repeatedly.
On July 23 2013 09:22 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2013 03:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vayne. I hope you read this carefully and think about it because i am going to say this only once.
Your theory is that i claimed a pardoner, one of the best scum roles at the start of the game. Then my team silenced me right after gumshoe told me he is going to claim to me because apparently for scum!rayn it's better that he claimed to marv instead. I have bussed slOosh the whole game as i was the first one to votefor him and i was actively trying to got people to vote for him.
- There is no reason why i should/would have claimed pardoner as mafia. The thing that everyone now knows there actually is a pardoner in the game speaks in favor of that, because the only situation where it would be beneficial for scum (if i was scum) would be that there is not actually a pardoner at all.
- There is no reason why i would have myself silenced over some active townie if i was mafia. D1 was fucking inactive and if i silenced myself as mafia gains me nothing. Actually it does the opposite as gumshoe is about to claim to me.
- There is no reason i should have pushed slOosh the entire game as mafia, there have been other targets (like half of the players on D1). The only time i let go of sloosh for a while was when he masoned me. That was because i wanted to give him a chance to prove his towniness. Why would i not tell sloosh to even try to make some good shit up if i was mafia? We could have easily made him look better.
None of the actions you think i am scum for do make sense from scum!rayn pov. There would be no reason for me to claim pardoner if i was mafia. There was no benefit in silencing myself if i was mafia, actually it would only hurt my team (we lose a claim + power, for nothing). There is no reason i would have bussed sloosh for the entire game when there were like 10 other targets at that time.
Can you please try to understand why you are wrong on this, and can you please look for actual mafia if you are town?
thanks. And as an aside, why do you think marv is so happy go lucky in this game? If we compare this game to the new game that just started where he's hydra'ed with VE, he is getting into some crazy arguments and being pretty confrontational. Here he's settling fights and just doing some basic analyzation but not really pushing for anything. If we cross analyze that with his "I don't get into fights as scum" thing I find it hard to believe he is town this game, but he doesn't feel like scum either. 3rd party marv?
also lol, did scum think I was softclaiming cop here? well nope try again.
##unvote
##vote:sloosh
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On July 24 2013 07:37 marvellosity wrote:
I don't provide that shit to the thread to incriminate myself, you know.
Although it seems pretty obvious that slOosh opened with that to incriminate me.
Are you really that slow?
Well there's a few scenarios here
1. You are town and meapak is scum/SK
2. You are scum and Meapak is town/SK (probably the most unlikely)
3. You are SK and meapak is town/scum
I think we can safely agree based on what you've done here that option 1 is our best choice, and we should be lynching meapak tomorrow.
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Thats confusing as fuck but if I understand correctly Y is the scum here.
Z = cop
X = Chain of command
Y = Sneak looking for confirmation before saying anything to look good, while he's actively passing info.
Alternatively the Z could be a scum cop fucking with us and that is why they sent out these logs with sloosh + marv.
X seems like town in that scenario though, any way you slice it
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On July 25 2013 02:32 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
We can lynch me as long as we lynch marv the next day.
Oats should probably be the day after that given his defense of marv.
idk what this means really, with that additional modkill we are running out of time so it would be better if you could defend yourself instead of just giving us an ultimatum. Lynching correctly between you and marv will probably decide the outcome of this game, so some help here please.
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On July 25 2013 02:43 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 02:36 VayneAuthority wrote:On July 25 2013 02:32 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
We can lynch me as long as we lynch marv the next day.
Oats should probably be the day after that given his defense of marv. idk what this means really, with that additional modkill we are running out of time so it would be better if you could defend yourself instead of just giving us an ultimatum. Lynching correctly between you and marv will probably decide the outcome of this game, so some help here please. Its 13 VS 4 and killing marv will drop KP. We have room to mislynch me.
Alright fair enough, so we have to decide between facts and AtE, great.
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Actually wait a second. Was that a scumslip? How do you know that killing marv is going to drop KP?
Looks like they are scum/SK in regards to the alignment difference.
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I read the OP it just says closed setup besides 6 mafia and a traitor.
So you are saying that Marv/sloosh fabricated those logs to make us think that there is an SK when there isn't?
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Gonna be out visiting family the next couple days so won't be too active as a heads up. I'll do my best to get my vote in.
gonna use this as a placeholder so I dont get modkilled since I'm pretty sure he is either scum or SK.
##vote:Meapak_Ziphh
Also it does look like you guys are trusting people you shouldn't, layabout was basically up for lynch soon. No reason he should have died.
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On July 25 2013 12:30 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
There goes vayne not reading the thread again :/
I'm still here so you can elaborate
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On July 25 2013 12:49 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 12:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 25 2013 11:48 Oatsmaster wrote:
Im guessing the layabout was a blue snipe or there is scum in the chain of PM people.
yeah, you. Or not me, but lets just assume that Im scum for undisclosed reasons shall we.. MZ, why should we lynch Marv and not you?
Actually I have a decent theory, lets see how MZ reacts to it.
Since marv posted those logs I have come to the conclusion that I do not think he is playing for scum. It's really just unnecessary extra work and effort and the more I think about it, the more I feel stupid that I considered it an option.
Now with the extra information we have from rayn that there is a potential rat that fed layabout to scum I think we can deduce scum shot at the least layabout.
Now if there is an SK and marv is it, who is he shooting for tonight if he's not going to play nice with scum? He's going to shoot scum.
Who has he been pushing lately?
Oh that's right. Kholly, the guy he just shot.
Depending on how MZ reacts to this I could switch my vote because it makes sense in my head.
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On July 25 2013 13:04 Oatsmaster wrote:
A 24 player game with 1 scum kp? You have got to be kidding me.
putting aside any setup speculation, do you agree that it makes sense? I don't think meapak would foresee this to frame him
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I still think SnB is just a convienent mislynch for scum. People have been pushing for his lynch all game and in medium-ish numbers. Just about the right number for scum to be pushing it. The fact that people are hanging onto his shot like some scum-claim is crazy to me.
QUOTE]On July 25 2013 13:02 VayneAuthority wrote:
On July 25 2013 12:49 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 12:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 25 2013 11:48 Oatsmaster wrote:
Im guessing the layabout was a blue snipe or there is scum in the chain of PM people.
yeah, you. Or not me, but lets just assume that Im scum for undisclosed reasons shall we.. MZ, why should we lynch Marv and not you?
Actually I have a decent theory, lets see how MZ reacts to it.
Since marv posted those logs I have come to the conclusion that I do not think he is playing for scum. It's really just unnecessary extra work and effort and the more I think about it, the more I feel stupid that I considered it an option.
Now with the extra information we have from rayn that there is a potential rat that fed layabout to scum I think we can deduce scum shot at the least layabout.
Now if there is an SK and marv is it, who is he shooting for tonight if he's not going to play nice with scum? He's going to shoot scum.
Who has he been pushing lately?
Oh that's right. Kholly, the guy he just shot.
Depending on how MZ reacts to this I could switch my vote because it makes sense in my head.[/QUOTE]
This makes the most sense to me so I'm gonna be voting for marv. If anything crazy happens ill be following the thread loosely as I have mediocre wifi here.
##unvote
##vote:Marv
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On July 26 2013 11:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
Why the fuck would marv as sk shoot someone he is pushing?
Isnt it better to just keep pushing kholly and shoot another scumread? There are 4 scum left, lotta targets man.
Its really bad play as SK. Does marv suck at the game?
I dont think so.
Vayne, how do you not see the shot on someone obviously town as a scumclaim. there was no explanation. #yolo is not a good answer. town SnB doesnt #yolo.
you just played in nuclear with me where SnB didn't give two shits as town. How do you not see that everyone in the game is pushing SnB pretty much except me? you think the whole scumteam is just bussing him at this point?
Also I fail to see how Ace was obvious town when he was pretty much just posting random stuff.
Your "SK bad play" scenario only takes into account the aftermath of after I brought this up. Do you really think he would think that anyone would think of that? Nobody is even responding to it which means that no one even believes it.
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It makes sense when you have to change your play halfway through the game. He was at first aiming for town then he had to start aiming for scum. Why wouldn't he shoot who he thought was scum? He's the SK he doesn't care who he's pushing since he plays at the game at night.
So everyone that posts nothing useful gets a free pass as town from you? I know how to play with you in the future I guess.
Also who hasn't posted this entire game because SnB has been pushed since day 1 btw
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On July 26 2013 12:30 Oatsmaster wrote:
Wiggles scum, not even reading the thread.
Marv has another check showing him to be the same alignment as FT
If you honestly believe that then why aren't you voting meapak? That makes him auto scum.
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what wiggles said actually makes sense, look at how the votes randomly changed throughout the day. Everyone was on Marv/MZ then all of a sudden an SnB wagon comes out of nowhere. Maybe scum realized they just need to mislynch that to win.
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so yea after that terribad claim
oats
marv
koshi
random lurker (kush/adam) ill have to see what adam does
seems like the scumteam. They are all pushing SnB on the basis of his shot and they are starting to panic as you see, with oats making one of the worst claims I've ever seen and marv making a huge martyr post.
If this isn't the correct final answer I'll be really surprised. This is the only consolidated agenda that I see in the thread. They are all pushing SnB like he's in a fucking wheelchair.
I see my vote is fine where it is.
If there's SK it's meapak but idk if that even exists anymore
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