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On June 04 2013 08:06 Zephirdd wrote: This daypost is so empty. I feel like something is missing. Anyways how about estabilish the plan of claiming vigi/dt roles ON THE NEXT DAY if you roll them during the night? Ace said pre-game how this benefits town, so it should be a nobrainer right?  I don't see the downside to claiming roles and actions since you will no longer have them. We will get more information and mafia have little chance to counterclaim. So I am in favour. + Show Spoiler + No more exams + GoT this day is best day | ||
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On June 04 2013 09:22 VayneAuthority wrote: I'm just trollin' around with the theme, I didn't actually drink today nor yesterday. What is your concern jaybrundage? If you say that you arent going to post, pressuring you for a contribution serves no purpose for a townie | ||
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On June 04 2013 10:23 s0Lstice wrote: Nothing really. Just a lil flight of fancy/fun. Of substance though, I have an early, tentative townread on you (Stutters) and layabout. Stutters for general thread presence/comfort/activity and layabout for picking on probably the scummiest post that has been made so far. Thoughts? I open every game like that and i have no clue about stutters. There's nothing particularly wrong with townreads but in general it's best to keep them out of the thread. | ||
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On June 04 2013 10:43 Oatsmaster wrote: im lazy Can someone claim scum then we lynch that guy? I have an idea! Instead of that, we just lynch you Oats? @stutters basically, town doesn't really benefit from knowing who you think is town but scum do since it makes you easier to manipulate. If a bunch of players say that somebody is town based on weak reasoning/little information then people will strengthen their read due to other people agreeing with them. This is quite problematic if said person is scum and it can happen quite easily if everybody is swapping townreads. There are other reasons but i cba it's 3am. | ||
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On June 04 2013 11:59 jaybrundage wrote: + Show Spoiler + Layabout its not even real pressure it seems pretty obvious to me that he was role playing. Havent you ever wanted to poke a drunk with a stick :D On June 04 2013 09:29 layabout wrote: If you say that you arent going to post, pressuring you for a contribution serves no purpose for a townie Also i plan to pressure who ever i want for any reason i want or for no reason at all. I dislike his attitude | ||
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I don't see anybody that looks worse. Vayneauthority said he would do stuff and didn't but it's not been a long time since then. | ||
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On June 05 2013 02:03 Stutters695 wrote: What do you guys think of Oats trolling? Just him not giving a shit or scum? I was ignoring it on the basis that in some point during the next 48 hours he will call anybody that called him scum for being trolly mafia, and he might stop being trolly at that time. | ||
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This is finally a game of mafia!!! hooray! | ||
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On June 05 2013 21:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: Layabout you want to lynch jay for his attitude? Is there anything else? Do you think the most active player atm (WoS) cannot be mafia? The point is to lynch scum, not people you dont like. What do you think of what i brought up against WoS? Also what do you think about Ace/zeph atm? jay has gone from empty posts to omgus. That isn't how i would expect a town play to play, especially when the pressure jay was under was so low. He should not be so worried about 2 votes and the everyone that votes for me is scum argument is crappy. WaveOfShadow In every game i can recall the hypersupermegaactive players are always town, even in games where somebody like bh is scum and posts a ton the most active players are still town. If scum is the most active player in the thread and they aren't just spamming then then don't deserve to get lynched. Our problem right now is that the activity levels are too low, killing active players only makes this worse. And since the activity has been low since the start WoS is correct to be concerned about it so i see no harm in him say he might want to lynch a lurker. If there is anything scummy about it it's that he tentatively puts the idea forward possibly because he is worried about people jumping on him for LaL. Lynching Ace is okay since he hasn't done anything, but his posts have reflected my own feeling about the game and there are other who have also done nothing. He hasn't done anything to make me want to keep him alive but at the same time i see no reason to choose ace specifically. I think zephird's push is bad but it is not inherently scummy, his response to pressure was townlike and towards the beginning he was trying to get the thread moving in the right direction which was quite needed. | ||
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On June 04 2013 19:25 prplhz wrote: hey i'm trying to post more because usually i get brought up as a lurker lynch on d1. that didn't use to bother me but i decided before this game that maybe i should try not to get brought up as a lynch d1 in every single game i play. also people complain at me for not having clear scum reads on d1 so i'm just going to pretend that my very tentative scum reads are MUST LYNCH WITH INTENSITY scum reads instead. Alright. Right now my Zephirdd is my MUST LYNCH WITH INTENSITY scum read. His early posting seems very careful such as "Ace said pre-game how this benefits town, so it should be a nobrainer right?" It's like he thinks this is a good plan but he'd rather hear what someone else thinks before he makes a decision on it. I mean "nobrainer" and "right?" are just two words that shouldn't be in the same sentence unless you're kinda split on where you stand. In this post he gives someone the advice to go look at Smurf Mini Mafia, a game which couldn't have less to do with this game. He wants him to just avoid meta analysis which seems like a scum move to me since meta analysis can be really good. Also this post seems really off. Scum care a lot about how they appear in the thread and this post looks like he wants to appear like a guy who just votes for a strong player with no fear or hesitation (ostensibly a townie trait). He doesn't do this as town though, looked through his last three games (all town games) and in all games those games there wasn't a single vote like this. He always has reasonable for his votes. So yea, I feel that right now Zephirdd is the right way to go. A combination of posting style and the weird Ace vote. ##Vote Zephirdd How 'bout it fellas? Look at how nice this case looks. At a glance you might think that prplhz has made some reasonable point. But read it through again carefully. In fact prplhz just take a few small things that zephird has done makes wild inferences and to create scummyness where there is none.He deliberately fails to add context. ##unvote ##voteprplhz + Show Spoiler + You may note that prplhz is quite not commital but at that early stage in the game i consider that sensible and do not count it against him | ||
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Cases like that are still characteristic of prphlz's scum play. But it look's like i willl need to move my vote again and think there is a good chance that [UoN]Sentinel or raynpelikoneet is mafia jumping onto WoS to get the wagon rolling. | ||
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On June 05 2013 22:03 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Wait did you just accuse him of being scum and then defend him in the same post No but that is a point i was tempted to make but realized it was bad so i wanted to say that before somebody else did. | ||
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On June 05 2013 22:34 Oatsmaster wrote: except that isnt actually accurate anymore. And you should stop posting useless and short posts. LOL | ||
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On June 06 2013 00:16 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: OK first off the Vayne vote was a joke. That much should be obvious. I was wrong about WoS being a scum given his more recent posting. He seems to be more focused on finding scum now that D1 is in full swing. So now we have Oats who has little content and sheeps anyone who isn't Ace. And Ace doesn't even look scum. [##Unvote] [##Vote Oatsmaster] Did wos die and flip town then? | ||
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If you are town you cannot know if you are right or wrong because you do not know the other persons alignment. I am suggesting that sentinel scumslipped. | ||
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On June 06 2013 01:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay. so you are voting me for my activity. Fine, whatever, there is nothing i can do about it for 1,5 weeks. I have no laptop and im still working for 12h/day. Maybe i should not join games before that then. Oats if Ace does post more fluff i'm certainly in killing him. There is no reason to not contribute anything. I havn't had time to look at sentinel yet. Sloosh wanting to let the discussion to stay only at me/sent is scummy, not going to explain why, because everyone should see it. Idk wtf layabout is doing, making a case on prpl and then debunking points from it in the same post.. Wtf. Im going to stand behind my read on vayne for the reasons i have stated, as he seems to be the only one to realize that is true. WoS if your comment about Vivax was sarcasm, why is jay scum? And why is your vote on someone else? And why are you not trying to expand the read at all? I know, because you are scum. I responded to your questions. I suggested we lynch you. You lie about me to discredit me. | ||
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On June 06 2013 01:53 Vivax wrote: @ Rayn If you're so sure about WoS being scum, what are you trying to achieve by claiming you want to kill ace and writing that bit about layabout? Vivax i reckon at least one of the people on the WoS wagon is scum. What do you think? | ||
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On June 06 2013 02:40 VayneAuthority wrote: I don't necessarily think WoS is scum as its too early to tell but if that's my only other option besides rayn, so be it. He is one of my only townreads How did he come to be a townread? Especially if he "doesn't really have a meta" It better not be because of this: + Show Spoiler + On June 05 2013 19:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: + Show Spoiler + Prpl; you asked me about jay and wos. I need to hear more from him. I know from some games ive read that he is a possible lynchbait if town, but i don't like him using that as defence. Would lynch if he is not willing to do shit. About wos. I don't like his stance on lurkerlynches early on in the game. Why bring that up? I also don't like his stance on jay. How on earth does what Vivax says about jay being a lynchbait affect wos' opinion? Why does wos just take vivax at face value if he thinks jay is scummy? that is scummy. ##Unvote ##Vote: WoS btw i think vayne is town. + Show Spoiler + He has a weird playstyle but his defence on me is 100% correct. My activity is not alignment indicative. I dont want to lynch stutters any more. I misread some stuff in his prpl case, and his response to my vote was a townie one. He did not get overly defensive. I also think prpl is town. Im gonna look more into other people tonigh. Ace, who do you want to lynch and why? Time to start doing stuff if you are town. | ||
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##unvote ##vote raynpelikoneet | ||
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sorry about my activity end of exams n' all jarjar, vayne and sent look bad but i will go over all that stuff tomorrow | ||
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On June 06 2013 00:52 layabout wrote: If you are town you cannot know if you are right or wrong because you do not know the other persons alignment. I am suggesting that sentinel scumslipped. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18807292 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18807319 | ||
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I was veteran last night although that's not really worth anything. | ||
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He is worrying about how he appears in the thread an awful lot as if he is convinced that he looks bad or he has a guilty conscience: + Show Spoiler + On June 06 2013 05:04 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Whether or not I sheep rayne my vote will look scummy. Going with my gut I guess. ##unvote ##vote: raynpelikoneet On June 06 2013 05:22 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I vote for him -> looks like a last minute bus I don't vote for him -> looks like conveniently ignoring him On June 06 2013 18:51 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Oats it wasn't a scumslip, you realize I was talking about "looking scummy", not "being scummy"? I had a problem changing my vote because I thought someone could make a case for me being scum either way. If I switched and rayn flipped red, it would look to potential accusers like I was bussing him. If I didn't, it would look to them like I was potentially ignoring him. Stop grasping at straws that don't exist (*hem* Ace *hem*) Ots pls This demonstrates a more of a mafia-focused mindset.Particularly in this post: On June 06 2013 19:40 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I was certain by that point that he was red. Just a matter of voting for him or not. [UoN]Sentinel's priorities are all wrong. What matter's is finding and lynching mafia, we are all effectively vt's so town have even less reason to fear dying. Sent is busy worrying about he looks when he is convinced we are about to lynch mafia. This is very strange behavior for a townie but is reasonable behavior for mafia. | ||
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Zephirdd slOosh It would appear that Slo0sh was focused on [UoN]Sentinel yesterday (also rayne) and Zephird was focused on VayneAuthority and jaybrundage (a bit). | ||
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His approach to the lynch was both sensible and productive. | ||
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On June 07 2013 08:4javascript:addUBB_selected('reply_area',%20'quote')4 jaybrundage wrote: Well my reasoning is that if you think someone is scum and have a legitimate reason in your mind. Other people voting for your scum lynch is a good thing it shouldn't matter what their reasoning for it is. Whether it be an inactivity lynch or the same reason ace had. He went from Rayn being scum to prolly town due to other people votes on rayn being for activity reasons. Am i making sense? I'm not to gud at explaining things. But this is quite reasonable: Of these 2 are votes with really strong reasoning, another which comes off as vengeful (layabout) but equally valid since his feeling could be legit. All the other votes could be lumped into inactivity/not strong but rayne will do. And mine which is based on furba's case. That means half the wagon is voting for rayne based on inactivity and the other half because we think he is likely scum more than anyone else. I don't know if that is enough to actually overturn the wagon on him in 2 hours. The only person I'd consider at the moment over rayne is Oats and I don't think many people are up for lynching him. It's quite common to feel like your pushing a mislynch, especially when someone get's a bunch of quick votes and then the thread dies. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + no idea what happened to that quote | ||
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On June 07 2013 09:27 Ace wrote: the hell? Kita why are you ignoring everything I wrote? I think he had decided to act like you're mafia fake-claiming instead of trying to work out what the best course of action is. | ||
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On June 07 2013 08:07 WaveofShadow wrote: You know I thought there might be a chance in hell I'd be killed D1 because I'm awesome but yeah, wishful thinking. Oh well, scum will pay for not killing me. Oh wait, derp. Avoid the medic. Hmm so that means scum didn't have medic last night, huh? I was roleblocker. I was debating not claiming to see if anyone would be stupid enough to claim so I could shut them down but I really don't see that happening. WoS we have everything but yopur rb claimed so far, can you share it? We do not know if scum played avoid the medic we do not know if scum had the medic. | ||
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layabout - veteran jaybrundage - docotor protect vivax Ace - cop target oatmaster red check WaveofShadow- roleblocker block _____ slOosh - shot vt Zephirdd - shot vt prplhz - vt [UoN]Sentinel- vt Oatsmaster- vt Vivax- vt Stutters695- vt VayneAuthority- vt JarJarDinks- vt s0Lstice/kitaman27- vt mkfuba07- vt the miller/godfather role is somewhere amongst the vt's. If Ace is town that give's us a 1/9 of oats being town with miller. Otherwise Oats is mafia without miller power. If Ace is mafia then he or one of his teammates had the cop role and it's likely that oats is town. | ||
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On June 07 2013 09:46 WaveofShadow wrote: Did you read the thread? I didn't rb anyone. Explanation followed. Jay claimed medic and he protected Vivax. If he is scum then they're setting up one hell of a long-con imo. My bad for filtering you to see who you block an assuming you would, you know, roleblock someone. To stop them from killing us. The way i see it we either kill oats since the chance of him being miller is low and because we beleive ace is town, or we delay, lynch somebody else and hope for a copcheck tomorrow | ||
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If Ace flips at any point we will know if we can trust his check. A check of Oats on Ace could increase our certainty since if would confirm or deny the claim and we would be hoping the person checked does not get miller. | ||
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On June 07 2013 10:52 WaveofShadow wrote: This means Ace will never flip unless we do it ourselves, you know. Or I guess if they're both town. Yeah but lynching either is risky the chance of two town whilst ignoring them grants more checks allowing us to make a better decision. It also reduced the pool of player mafia are likely to shoot at improving the chance of us getting a medic save. We should lynch somebody else. I don't think following the cop is the best play to make in this situation. Especially since the correct(okay strong) play for mafia if they get the cop is to claim a red check. | ||
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On June 07 2013 22:05 JarJarDrinks wrote: It is a point. It may not be a point that stands on it's own. But it would be dumb not to take it into consideration. You know that he can't just say "OH MILLER MY BAD" and expect to not get lynched. There's like a 6% chance that you rolled miller. We just can't take miniscule possiblities into account like that. it's a 1 in 9 chance if oats is town. which is 11%, players only get 1 role so miller was one of the vts. | ||
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On June 07 2013 23:58 kitaman27 wrote: Do you still plan to go over jarjar and vayne or have you changed your mind? Also, Vivax has been very forgettable, does anyone have a strong opinion on him? I did until i got into my promotion series. Vivax said he wouldn't post a lot but on day1 his posting was focused on the right things, not all that suspicious. At the moment i am trying to work out what to do about the red check since even though the odd's are in our favour we could have ace and oats both town which would screw us particularly since role-based lynching kills activity. If oats dies and flips town we will lynch Ace tomorrow but it's not a sure lynch. | ||
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On June 08 2013 04:28 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: ##unvote ##vote: VayneAuthority This vote makes the most sense for me. Oats might be miller and Ace might be cop. Who knows. But Vayne is definitely scum. This vote makes the most sense for me. but wasn't the idea that rayne called vayne town was because he knew he was town? | ||
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On June 08 2013 06:13 Vivax wrote: I don't get why you people are even discussing Sentinel for lynch. My post lays out already that he is most likely town, I'll explain it like you're 5 year old: a) He was pushing Oats all along → Unlikely scum with Oats b) He switched to Ace cause two of his scumreads voted Oats → Unlikely scum with ace (and I don't think that scum would be willing to trade cred for a NK) Unless ace and Oats are both town, Sentinel isn't scum, barring any powerplay where he plays exactly the opposite of how he should. We should keep it as simple as possible and lynch Oats, and if Oats flips town we lynch ace, if Oats was miller then we gambled and lost. Layabout can you lay out the reasons for why you think he's town? His playstyle mathces what i have seen of his town, in particular is is suspicious of me again, He wants to lynch prplhz if not Ace and i am inclined to agree with him (but more on that if it becomes a possibilty/ before nks). | ||
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+ Show Spoiler [Not really got anything to do with the…] + We also know that Ace was town cop or is mafia and had cop. Oats is a decent target for an investigate and Ace picking Oats is consistent with Ace's play. | ||
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##vote Oatsmaster jay be quiet the issue we are dealing with is Ace vs Oats everyone has made it quite clear that that's the lynch, there is no point pushing somebody else, it just add noise and confusion. | ||
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On June 08 2013 07:03 jaybrundage wrote: If Ace is scum he can just back out with a Miller MAH BAD bullshit. If anything if ace is as strong a mafia player as so many say he would just fakeclaim like he did on Oats. Then try to talk him self out the second lynch by saying Oats was miller. If Oats flips town we will not know if he was miller last night and the correct thing to do is lynch Ace. There is no way he can back out. | ||
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oats would take it to 11vs3 NK's 9vs 3 ace lynch 9vs2 NKs 8vs2 assuming nk go through[spoiler] That's part of why i am so worried since i am pretty sure ace is town but if Oats was miller then we have to waste 2 cycles without mafia losing KP in case Ace is scum fake-claiming. We would go into day 4 with 6t vs 3m (if NKs go through). | ||
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On June 08 2013 07:11 jaybrundage wrote: WTF are you going on about. I voted for Ace thank you very much. You're the guy that posted this saying we should not go for ace and oats. Note that after everyone makes it clear we going for Ace or Oats he says this. He tried to derail the lynch off them. But failed and now he goes and says that IM trying to derail it? YOU tried to derail the lynch off them ffs dont tell me to be quiet. You JUST tried to get people off ace and oats. YOU JUST TRIED AND YOU ARE SAYING IM DOING IT Honestly i would try to lynch you right now. If I was not adamant in killing from the ace/oats pool LAYABOUT IS SCUMMMMMMMMM. We should lynch him after we lynch ace. Why else would i use the past tense? You called me scum for not pushing somebody other than Ace or Oats. My posting has been focussed around Ace's check on Oats. Initially i wanted us to lynch elsewhere. But in the end... I voted for Oats. You call me scum for trying to derail an Ace/Oats lynch. | ||
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If Ace is mafia fake claiming then it's fine since we would be 8 town vs 2 mafia day 4 with scum kp at 1 worst case scenario. This play helps town if there is a scum Ace+ Show Spoiler + we are 10vs 3 atm oats would take it to 9vs3 NK's 7vs 3 ace lynch 7vs2 NKs 6vs2 assuming nk go through That's part of why i am so worried since i am pretty sure ace is town but if Oats was miller then we have to waste 2 cycles without mafia losing KP in case Ace is scum fake-claiming. We would go into day 4 with 4t vs 3m (if NKs go through) which would be lylo. | ||
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On June 08 2013 07:51 jaybrundage wrote: I have been very open with my thought process. It should be pretty clear that of Ace/Oatsmaster i would vote for Oatsmaster. I didn't want to lynch ace/oats because i cant read oats well and i hate rolebased lynches like this because it is all luck based and it changes the game from being mafia-y to coinflip-y. I was late with my vote onto rayne but generally I am late with my day1 vote.Yes that exaclty what im doing. You tried to derail the Ace/Oats lynch. When you failed you fell into the background not really giving much of any content. When you saw the trend picking up to Oats you so ok lets join in now. All game you have been hesitant with your reads and your thought process. You always wait till things are finalized to join in or put your input | ||
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You also completely ignore how i was explaining why i felt ace was not scummy before he even claimed cop. Which is odd since i was responding to you. When in the game should i have been making a "push of my own"? | ||
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On June 08 2013 09:07 jaybrundage wrote: Oh thought your meta read had more to it. I haven't been focusing to much on Oats I think that Ace is mafia and there is no way that both ace and Oats are mafia. So Oats gets a free townie pass from me. I dont know Oats meta so i can help ya much in that regard. I do not like how the way this lynch is going tho. Everyone is just piling onto Oats. I mean I guess if Oats flips green which i think he will then. We go after Ace. But I really dont see Oats being red. Im surprised that Ace tried to derail the rayn lynch so bad and people just let it go. He had bullshit reasons for starting that. Even now hes afk and not giving a fuck about town. Ace is scummy for trying to derail the rayne lynch and switch to Oatsmaster. On June 06 2013 04:05 jaybrundage wrote: oh i forgot ##UnVote ##Vote FUBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA Also we need some people to get in here S0lstice, Ace come to mind maybe some more layabout You wouldn't do anything like that would you? If you are town you need to be less attached to your reads and more attached to the thread. | ||
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Ace got on the Rayn wagon early left it. Went on Oats then came back on it because of Fuba's reasoning saying it was sound reason for why Rayn could be scum. He thought he had a valid reason for trying to lynch Rayn. But later in the day he compiled the votes and said that if people were voting for Rayn cause he was inactive then it might be a mislynch. This doesn't make any sense and doesnt follow logic. I already address this yesterdayhttp://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18818249 The reason that most voted for him was because he had a town read on vayne for correctly identifying his playstyle and saying that it wasn't alignment indicative. He was scummy because his townread didn't make sense from a town's perspective. When people know my playstyle (or rather my bad play and me being lynchbait) They defend me and i give them a town read because of that. This is silly.Also what are you talking about more attached to the thread I have dropped my reads when I don't think they agree with evidence from the thread. So far I have had scum reads on S0lstice, Fuba both which I have dropped when I didn't think it made sense from what was going on in the thread. I have conflicting feelings about Sent but i see alot of scummy things in his play. I have since picked up ace as a scum read last night. And you just recently :D Isn't that swell Before the end of day 1 you called oatsmaster town, Ace scummy and me scummy. And that is what you are doing now. I also feel that you have not attempted to try to understand my viewpoint because your happy to look busy yelling "scum".Yeah because an entire hour of just me didn't pass. /sarcasm | ||
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jay if you as town are doing what rayne did which gave him away as mafia then i think i have identified a problem with your townplay. | ||
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On June 08 2013 11:08 Oatsmaster wrote: boop. Ace Fakeclaimed red cop check on me. Stutters, that one game I played around because I thought it was the fastest way to get out of being lynched. Not the case. So I wont do it again. I mean, who has been in the thread. Me. Who hasnt? Ace. Who doesnt talk when townie lynch is imminent? Scum. Oats your going to flip today. We already know that you think Ace is scum. Do other stuff. Useful stuff. | ||
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On June 08 2013 11:18 Oatsmaster wrote: you are fucking awful if you think im scum. What useful stuff do you suggest? your reads. Everyone else wants to kill one of you. You have a red check, it makes more sense to lynch you than Ace. Bite me. | ||
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On June 08 2013 11:25 Oatsmaster wrote: It makes more sense to read the thread, and see that I am obviously the more townie out of me and Ace. Not going. "Red check, dont care bye guys." Reads about who? There are 3 mafia and 10 townies. If you are one of the townies then your goal is to identify and lynch the 3 mafia. So far you have 1/3. If you think all i have said is "red check don't care bye guys" then i guess it's my turn to call you fucking awful. You are fucking awful. Isn't it nice when we are so pleasant to each other? | ||
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On June 08 2013 12:42 jaybrundage wrote: Well if it works for me don't fix i say. If i can use my badness to attract mafia to target me. Then i should do that. And if another townie sees this happening and comes in to stop a mislynch. Then they are prolly town and i can use that information. Regardless I'm town this game. But I believe you my friend are not. How about you do something layabout. And say who you think is scum outside of Ace/Oats. Also who's your biggest town read. I am not telling mafia who my biggest townread is. That's dumb. I would rather see another flip before i push scumreads in thread. You can only lynch 1 person at a time and it's not going to be me. Also there are currently 3 mafia players alive. | ||
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On June 08 2013 16:51 Oatsmaster wrote: I dont like this sentence. I dont know why. Ace, can you explain what risk is involved fake claiming a red check that turns out green? If mafia get cop the next night one of them can claim a green check or if the player that fake claimed gets miller and is checked then they will get a green check and the claimer can probably dodge the lynch. If town gets cop and gets a red check then that player they they will get lynched. If somebody other than that player is checked town will lynch the claimer since miller is unlikely. It's a total gamble that favors town but the odds for mafia aren't all that bad but it involves a bunch of conditional probability and i am not sure how the rng works. It should be about 30% for mafia 70% for town (taking P(not mafia cop)=10/13 P(Claimer doesn't get miller)=11/12) | ||
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On June 08 2013 22:16 Vivax wrote: Layabout, are you suggesting lynching outside of Ace/Oats and then get a town cop to check one of them? No i am explaining the risk for mafia fake-claiming since it's not as bad as Ace is telling us it is. I would have preferred if we had done that earlier on but that's actually a terrible idea. I think there would be more value in a check on someone else. | ||
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On June 08 2013 22:25 JarJarDrinks wrote: OK, but I feel like a an Oats/Sent team is kinda unlikely and Sent is just blatently scum right now. I'd still rather Lynch Oats than you for all the reasons I've already said. But I;d rather Lynch Sent than either of you Ace, you do realize that is Oats flips green, you're autolynched tomorrow. The cop isn't gonna waste a check on you. I really don't like how you're already making contingency plans for a town flip. If we're planning on wasting a copcheck on you in the case of a mislynch, it makes more sense to not lynch you or Oats today and wait till we get results back. This is why I think we should lynch Sent today. An unlucky miller check basically means we lose 6 townies before we get back to the game. We should lynch Sent cause he's scum, have the cop check Ace tonight, and lynch one of Ace/Oats tomorrow. But if we do that then: If we mislynch today and mafia get cop or Ace get miller then we are boned. If ace is mafia they can give him a green check (or if he gets godfather) and then we follow the check and flip Oats. In this scenario Oats is going to be green and we are at lylo, we then lynch ace but remain at lylo. If ace is town they can give him a red check (or if he gets miller) we then lynch Ace who flips town. We are at lylo with a red check on Oats the chance of him being town miller and 3 mafia alive. Again this assumes no saves but i think a single save would still put us at lylo. | ||
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If we don't get a green check then we aren't going to start playing mafia again for a long time. Just mindless boring shitty follow the cop claim we can't trust. If Ace has made this play as mafia then it was a bad play and it can only work if he gets lucky with the odds stacked against him. If Ace is town then we have been horribly screwed by the rng but that is a part of the game. But i would rather lose to rng than by assuming mafia are bad. So roll the dice and check Ace. Odds are we have cop and he isn't miller/gf. + Does anybody even want another red check? | ||
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kita ace's play is consistent and makes sense as town. In order for him to be scum you have to assume that he has taken silly risks (copcheck on Oats) that he didn't need to take. I would rather pick the scenario that makes more sense and that is with Ace being town. If Ace is town the best thing to do is check him to stop a mislynch. If Ace is scum then checking him should confirm that. There is a risk associated with checking him but that cannot be helped. But i would rather we take it than mislynch and have only day1 where people had to justify their votes beyond it being the perceived optimal play because of a check. + Show Spoiler + have stolen a laptop i have access for 10 mins or so | ||
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On June 10 2013 04:47 Ace wrote: kita, Wos here is a simple question: assume I am Scum. Why would I be begging you to check me for 2 days ahead of time to prove my innocence? Because you are taking a risk that has a potentially huge payoff | ||
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On June 10 2013 04:55 Ace wrote: right, but I would have needed to get lucky 2 nights in a row and setup Oats ahead of time. Without checking me we mislynch and get up to 8 Town deaths and lylo. Which one seems like the smarter option here? You don't have to tell ME? wait 8? | ||
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if ace is town the ONLY WAY TO AVOID A MISLYNCH WOULD BE TO CHECK HIM if he is town YOU INSURE THAT WE MISLYNCH TODAY AND SCUM KEEP 2 KP | ||
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On June 10 2013 10:47 VayneAuthority wrote: dumb posts like this make me assume town but I don't know if I should. At least he has inno on him. That's about the most unlikely scumteam I can think of. Did you even read any posts after the night post? Why would I potentially save town as scum? Why would sent continually try to get me lynched throughout this entire game? How does kita come into all of this? Does anyone else see this as a completely asinine post don't call me dumb. don't ask me to explain stuff Mr "he isn't the mafia power role i swear, reasons? shit! errr.... gutread " | ||
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On June 10 2013 11:02 VayneAuthority wrote: haha if you're still on day 1 buddy you might as well find yourself a replacement, completely useless. fuck you and your awful playstyle. | ||
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Ace had a role a player i am 95%* sure is town had cop and instead of clearing things up or helping me to find mafia i get to find out that i am green. + Show Spoiler [*] + arbitrary high number | ||
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On June 10 2013 08:06 prplhz wrote: i roleblocked vivax On June 10 2013 08:06 prplhz wrote: i think it's more likely that vivax is scum than that scum hit something that was docced On June 10 2013 08:25 VayneAuthority wrote: and cop claimed so I will now. I was doctor and I was on WaveofShadow. So either Vivax is scum or WaveofShadow is town, or both. points to anybody who figures out what these posts are missing | ||
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There are 5 roles in this game: veteran miller/godfather alignment cop doctor roleblocker In this set-up roles are assigned randomly at night. They can go to town or mafia. We have agreed that every day everyone should claim their roless. But there is more to it than that. If you are town and you receive cop/roleblocker/ doctor it is pretty obvious what you need to do. + Show Spoiler + Cop investigates people he thinks are mafia or that town plans to lynch, roleblocker aims at mafia suspects to stop a shot and doctor tries to protect people he thinks will get shot or that he thinks are town and wants to stay alive But if you are mafia and you get one of those roles what do you do? You can act like you are a towny that got ones of those roles for town cred you can quite easily pick someone that seems like a valid target without helping town. Alternatively you can use it to secure mislynchs since you need 3 or 4 to win the game. Say for instance you are mafia and the mafia team acquires the doctor role and the roleblocker. You know that town has a cop and a veteran. You know that you can 100% get a kill if you doublestack. What will also happen is that whoever you roleblock will come under pressure and the member of your team that claims doctor and his target will receive (at least temporary) towncred because people will consider the strong chance that X was shot at and Y saved X from the mafia. The target can even be another mafia player. From here you can quite easily push to lynch whoever you roleblocked. What's more you can aim the roleblock at who you think the cop is to stop it. When they flip town the thread will assume that the doctor pulled off a save and that player is going to be safe from the lynch for a very long time. That is an extreme example but what if say scum only received the doctor role? They could claim a protect on someone then shoot freely. Or they could doublestack and try to create the same scenario as outlined above. The only problem is that they do not know who the roleblocker will target. But this is a much more sensible risk to take when you know that if you just wait a bit the roleblocker will claim their action. You can ensure that the player who claims doctor isn't the player that was roleblocked you can ensure the target is on your team (if you so desire).The majority of the time the roleblcok will be on a townie and you can push them if you want but town might just do it for you. It's also not too hard to reinforce the idea that a medic save happened should of of you team be roleblocked. So i am suggesting that we agree upon an order for the PR's to claim to minimize mafia's ability to exploit the shit out of us. cop first doctor second roleblocker third vet last but i don't think the place of the vet claim matters. This would make it harder for scum to exploit getting cop or doc. They could still exploit roleblocker but at the moment they can exploit all three. Did i mention we cannot trust people that claim roles? + Show Spoiler [other things of note] + Whilst the miller role lives on, none of the other PR's get killed off and the proportion of mafia to town increases cop checks become even more untrustworthy. The longer the game goes on the better mafia's chance of getting our power roles is, and mafia can exploit town power roles to get mislynches. | ||
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On June 12 2013 04:02 kitaman27 wrote: layabout, your setup discussion is in regards to the order that roles should claim the next day, not at night, correct? yup. Doing so at night would be silly. Very silly. On June 12 2013 08:49 jaybrundage wrote: @Layabout Given the new information that Ace is scum who do you see as his possible scum buddies tentatively, vivax and sent or prp details tomorrow. also since ace was scum and non-rayne town votes were so spread out it looks like there was mafia on rayne. Final Vote Count JarJarDrinks (0): Zephirdd (0): prplhz (0): Stutters695 (0): s0Lstice (0): Ace (1): Oatsmaster jaybrundage (1): s0Lstice WaveOfShadow (1): raynpelikoneet, [UoN]Sentinel (1): slOosh Oatsmaster (2): JarJarDinks, prplhz mkfuba07 (2): VayneAuthority, jaybrundage raynpelikoneet (7): Zephirdd, mkfuba07, WaveofShadow, Stutters, Vivax, layabout, [UoN]Sentinel Not voting (1): Ace | ||
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prplhz sentinel vivax kitaman mkfuba also didn't most if not all of fuba's towncred come from Ace attributing the rayne lynch to him? | ||
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On June 14 2013 08:59 prplhz wrote: lay why isn't jay on your list at all after my argument with jay and his greencheck on me i thought he would be more likely town than the people on that list. | ||
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he says that vivax and sentinel can't be scum together but he is choosing to go against his own opinion and is voting for sent instead. I would much prefer that we kill prplhz today ##vote: prplhz | ||
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On June 15 2013 05:33 mkfuba07 wrote: Wait, what wifom is being used to push sent? Well prp at least was re using jarjar's case which was all speculation about what scum might do. It feels like the idea is that scum shot Jarjar to protect sentinel and Ace claimed to protect sentinel too. Think vivax is town. ##unvote ##vote [UoN]Sentinel The case on stutters seems okay but i have kind of stopped playing | ||
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On June 15 2013 07:07 kitaman27 wrote: You're his super duper mafia read, he roleblocks you, he writes a case against you, and then votes sent. so why dont we kill prp then? | ||
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On June 15 2013 15:05 Stutters695 wrote: Where is everyone. We just lynched a townie and everyone is silent I think once the thread died down we all scheduled other stuff besides townie lynches tell you way less than scum lynches. This lynch painted a few people green but unless you try to WIFOM it there isn't any benefit to telling mafia who you think looks town at night. The game seems to be mostly acting on roles from now on so why write a case when we have a small group of players that are suspicious and nightactions to be revealed in the morning which will dictate what we do? | ||
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On June 16 2013 07:54 prplhz wrote: @lay sent was lynched yesterday ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ##vote: prplhz | ||
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On June 16 2013 09:57 Stutters695 wrote: Well I'm gonna go get drunk, if anyone has any questions for me shoot Happy drinking! + Show Spoiler + .. for now | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + night 1 roles: ================================================================== layabout - veteran jaybrundage - doctor protect vivax Ace - cop target oatmaster red check WaveofShadow- roleblocker block _____ slOosh - shot vt Zephirdd - shot vt prplhz - vt [UoN]Sentinel- vt Oatsmaster- vt Vivax- vt Stutters695- vt VayneAuthority- vt JarJarDinks- vt s0Lstice/kitaman27- vt mkfuba07- vt night 2 roles: ================================================================== layabout - vt jaybrundage - cop target layabout green check Ace - veteran WaveofShadow- vt prplhz - roleblocker roleblock vivax [UoN]Sentinel- vt Oatsmaster- vt Vivax- vt roleblocked Stutters695- vt VayneAuthority- doctor protect WoS JarJarDinks- vt shot s0Lstice/kitaman27- vt mkfuba07- vt night 3 roles ================================================================== layabout - vt jaybrundage - vt WaveofShadow- roleblocker roleblock sentinel prplhz - vt [UoN]Sentinel- vt Vivax- cop target sentinel green check Stutters695- veteran VayneAuthority- vt s0Lstice/kitaman27- vt mkfuba07- doctor protect kita night 4 roles ================================================================== layabout - vt jaybrundage - vt WaveofShadow- vt prplhz - vt Vivax- vt Stutters695- doctor protect mkfuba roleblocked VayneAuthority-cop target N/A no check s0Lstice/kitaman27- roleblocker roleblock stutters mkfuba07- veteran hit I am voting prplhz for these reasons: Not in townreads. His day1 case on zephird felt forced, his reasons are really weak allowing him to back out but he present them in such as way as to be taken seriuosly to start a lynch/wagon. He supposedly had a scumread on vivax and may have stopped vivax from shooting. Instead he chooses to push for sentinel using somebody else's reasoning over his own. And we know that sentinel was town. Prplhz initially doesn't find sentinel scummy. But after the first lynch he expresses a willingness to lynch him that he never explains. When he ends up voting for him it's on the back of Jarjar's analysis which had not been posted when he first expressed his willingness to kill sent. To me it seems like he was ready to jump on the wagon but never had his own reasons because he knew sent was was town. + Show Spoiler + On June 07 2013 05:24 prplhz wrote: If the case on me is that scum sent me out to safe a rather doomed raynpelikoneet then that's crazy. I am all for lynching [UoN]Sentinel tomorrow. He concludes that if sentinel is mafia then myself and jay are the last mafia. To me this seems like a very strange conclusion to draw as town but the reader can judge that themselves. The other thing that is strange is that he called vivax town on the basis that sentinel is mafia but he never goes back to calling vivax mafia after sentinel flips green. He also currently has no scumreads since all he has given us he has abandoned or were predicated on sent being red. On June 14 2013 07:32 prplhz wrote: Okay looking through the night kills, all of Zephirdd, slOosh and JarJarDrinks expressed major suspicions towards [UoN]Sentinel. It's absolutely not unthinkable that he rolled miller/godfather so I'm just going to ignore this green check we have on him for now. Last scum would not be Vivax, VayneAuthority, WaveofShadow and probably not mkfuba07, kitaman27 or Stutters695 (which leaves jaybrundage and layabout). If he flips red it might be worth noting that he tries to give stutters towncred in a move that could quite easily have been staged and would allow prplhz to back off of the zephird push: On June 05 2013 08:03 prplhz wrote: I don't think that Stutters695 is mafia simply because he fact checked me and I don't see scum fact checking townies because they know they're townies and townies don't lie. It's not like Stutters695 knew that Zephirdd was in that game because he was never in the Mexican Standoff thread (and he apparently got something wrong about what happened in the game too) so it must have been him fact checking the case I just wrote and I simply don't think that scum would fact check a townie. hope that reads okay i am in a bit of a rush | ||
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On June 18 2013 04:11 VayneAuthority wrote: oh so if fuba can confirm the hit then it would have to be either Fuba and stutters are scum or neither, assuming mafia didnt no kill. Guess that makes stutters unlikely scum. but if stutters were mafia he could say he protected anyone and it wouldn't matter since no one is informed about a save or a protect. he could protect no one or someone he isn't shooting at and when no kill went through he could work out what happened and make an appropriate claim. Since a shot went through we know that if stutters was roleblocked he didn't carry it out. can a mafia player shoot themselves? | ||
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On June 18 2013 05:12 jaybrundage wrote: Also Layabout what do you think of vayne. What do you think the scum team is. vayne seems to be approaching the game in the correct way. Reading his filter makes me think town. He doesn't explain himself very much though so whilst he could be scum i do not think it's likely. My scumteam would be prplhz + stutters/vivax | ||
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Stutters there is no reason for him to be smearing you with green paint on day1 if he is town. It is not something i am used to him doing either. It's easier to do that as mafia because for one thing you know if you are right and if you are his teammate then making you look towny benefits him. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + night 1 roles: ================================================================== layabout - veteran jaybrundage - doctor protect vivax Ace - cop target oatmaster red check WaveofShadow- roleblocker block _____ slOosh - shot vt Zephirdd - shot vt prplhz - vt [UoN]Sentinel- vt Oatsmaster- vt Vivax- vt Stutters695- vt VayneAuthority- vt JarJarDinks- vt s0Lstice/kitaman27- vt mkfuba07- vt night 2 roles: ================================================================== layabout - vt jaybrundage - cop target layabout green check Ace - veteran WaveofShadow- vt prplhz - roleblocker roleblock vivax [UoN]Sentinel- vt Oatsmaster- vt Vivax- vt roleblocked Stutters695- vt VayneAuthority- doctor protect WoS JarJarDinks- vt shot s0Lstice/kitaman27- vt mkfuba07- vt jjd doublestacked or vivax scum blocked from shot or WoS shot and saved or held shot night 3 roles ================================================================== layabout - vt jaybrundage - vt WaveofShadow- roleblocker roleblock sentinel prplhz - vt [UoN]Sentinel- vt Vivax- cop target sentinel green check Stutters695- veteran VayneAuthority- vt s0Lstice/kitaman27- vt mkfuba07- doctor protect kita kita shot or held shot or stutters shot but not reported i.e stutters is scum night 4 roles ================================================================== layabout - vt jaybrundage - vt WaveofShadow- vt prplhz - vt Vivax- vt Stutters695- doctor protect mkfuba roleblocked VayneAuthority-cop?? target ??? ???check s0Lstice/kitaman27- roleblocker roleblock stutters mkfuba07- veteran hit if stutters shot but not reported i.e stutters is scum then mkfuba scum with stutter lying about vet hit or stutters night 5 roles ================================================================== layabout - vt roleblocked jaybrundage - vt WaveofShadow- doc shot prplhz - vt Vivax- cop target jaybrundage green check Stutters695- vt VayneAuthority-vt s0Lstice/kitaman27-vt mkfuba07- roleblocker roleblock layabout There primary reason for thinking vivax is scum is the roleblock + missing KP on night 2, correct? It's also worth noting that if scum give us a red check and the check flips down we would lynch the cop the next day (just with Ace). This means that mafia are almost certainly going to provide us with green checks | ||
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Several people seem to think that the most likely scenario is that JarJar was double stacked on night two. If mafia had control the of medic, where are they continuing to target a low profile player if they have an easy shot on fuba or WoS? Why not double stack fuba if they can still pull off the medic protect claim? A roleblocked Vivax is the most simple answer and those are usually the right ones. why is vivax being roleblocked more likely than WoS being saved? why are you placing so much emphasis on activity when vivax said pregame that he had finals and wouldn't be posting a lot and when activity has been poor across the board? Day Three: Vivax votes Ace and mentions that Vayne was his scumread, but based on the N2 actions, he is town. The strange part about this? Vivax hadn't mentioned Vayne in 100+ hours. It is as if he is trying to renforce the idea that a town Vivax must think Vayne is town, so he is going to reverse a non-existant scum read. Vivax suddenly comes up with a scum read on prplhz after the roleblock, stating that it is pretty obvious that he is scum. If it is so obvious, why isn't there a case or even a mention prior to the night action which makes him guilty. He also shares suspicion of myself. Day Five: Why would he need to put effort in as either alignment when everyone jumped on board?Vivax votes prpl later on in the cycle, but puts little effort into convincing others. He comes up with a scum team based on the limits of his night actions, but doesn't do anything about it. Day Six: Why have you written all of this when Vivax hasn't posted since the very start of the day? You are trying to draw a connection that doesn't exist.Vivax has put absolutely no effort into defending the Vayne lynch, a player which he would strong think to be town from his perspective. He comes up with a mafia suspect in stutters, but puts no effort into lynching him, with lylo only a cycle away. He is unable to come up with a second mafia suspect and doesn't even attempt to come up with a plausible scenario. I don't like the smell of your case kita. | ||
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too much talk has been about role etc which people can talk about objectively and take either stance on reguardless of alignment. I really don't like kita's case on vivax and up til this point vivax has only been a target for me because it's possible that he was roleblocked and that's why KP was missing, in terms of the stances he has taken they have mirrored my own or made sense to me. I don't see why a roleblock is more likely than a sucessful medic save. Kita's case feels like he is trying manipulate the thread with shaky reasoning that looks neat and convincing if you skim over it. On the other hand I have been waiting to see what vivax will do today. He had reversed his stutters read. He said he thought jay and i would be scum if prplhz wasn't but then today he was absent and only came back to support the counter wagon to him. | ||
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On June 21 2013 00:08 kitaman27 wrote: If my argument uses shaky reasoning can you please provide counter examples? 1Does Vivax push people to lynch rayn day one aside from a couple one liners? 2Is it reasonable for him to not check he player he thinks is obviously scum? 3Does Vivax go all out to push a prpl lynch on d4 after coming back with a green check on sent? 4In the last two cycles has Vivax provided scum suspects outside of night action analysis? 1 "aside from a couple of one-liners". So your saying he did push rayne but not that hard? 2 On June 11 2013 04:46 Vivax wrote: day before vivax checks ace. And yes it is reasonableYup, except for the "cop-read". I said Sentinel was a better check than ace cause people were discussing him for lynch. My argument for him being town hadn't really been accepted, and wasn't even good cause he might just have been bussing for cred, in retrospect, and ace seemed to be safe from lynch anyway. 3 He doesnt go all out he makes a case and when it picks up no steam he switches to stutters and then finally sentinel to save himself. I agree that this looks bad, the fact that he pushed prp and stutters suggests that he wasn't convinced on either as he said he was. Switching to save himself is something that both town and mafia do however. 4 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18918706 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18924960 he seems to have a scumread on vayne, who he has pushed today. he also said some wishy washy crap about me being town or good scum, which might be a read. I don't know what to think about this game anymore | ||
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On June 21 2013 08:04 VayneAuthority wrote: pretty much confirms kita and stutters as town for me based on the way they voted early. All inno cop checks are now worthless as vivax was scum. jay inno means nothing and layabout inno means nothing But since jay + i cannot be scum together either jay is town with a green check on me ( so i am town or gf) or jay is scum with a green check on me (so i am town). | ||
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It's quite likely that when he was roleblocked he thought that he would have no chance of making it to endgame since we would leave him alive for that long. So i reckon his team mate(s) would have tried to avoid talking about him but with the intention of jumping on him if they had to. | ||
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On June 22 2013 08:42 layabout wrote: Do not claim that you were roleblocked if there is no roleblocker claim!!! | ||
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by speaking you confirm that you target is town + if roleblocker doesn't claim we can't trust the person who says they were roleblocked because they might be the mafia roleblocker | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On June 10 2013 08:29 jaybrundage wrote: Wos makes sense as a mafia hit. He was doing a great job contributing and keep the thread going and his analysis was solid. I had a town read on Vivax earlier but his lack of activity is pretty concerning. over this series of posts he tries to On June 11 2013 05:42 jaybrundage wrote: Well ace seems like a no brainer. Sent ill have to look into he has done some scummy stuff I think he could be scum. Vivax. I dont know I had him as a town read before. But his non contributing ways is starting to look scummy. He just doesnt contribute much to the thread whether it be analyzing or discussing his town reads. Im curious if anyone has a good read on stutters. He has been laying low for the most part not posting much. Never really doing anything to stand out just going with the flow. one of jay's more common things to post is to ask for other people to do work for him. He wants to know what everyone else thinks as opposed to what they think about what he thinks. It's He is really wishy washy about vivax, I was diving jay's filter and i found that he appeared willing to call vivax scummy but only if other people were doing it On June 12 2013 06:27 jaybrundage wrote: I was gonna go thru Sent's filter and get a case together but im not even sure its worth the effort. I can still write up a bit if anyone shows interest. He just oozes scumminess. Hard defending ace. And then flip flopping to vote for Oats later. Just one of the things that makes him pretty scummy. Sent can you write up a case on vayne I see you have him as one of your scum reads. So might do some filter diving on http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18867863 I thought i would mention the vayne case because jay complains about vayne being self proclaimed confirmed town and jay has made vayne confirmed town. Sent has a 1 in 6 chance (I believe) to roll miller. So its not completly out of the question that he is the godfather. It was really strange that Jay treated me like confirmed town after my green check but when sentinel was green checked he still decided to push him. Why? Because there was no chance of me getting lynched but there was plenty of pressure on sentinel. On June 15 2013 03:32 jaybrundage wrote: he also repeatedly mentions that he is going do do filter diving or has dived someone or that he just bought a new diving helmet. These are all signs that he is wants to appear to be contributing, instead of actually doing itI dived Vivax's filter and i didn't find anything that makes me think he has a better chance to flip scum then sent. Given his day 1 play. I had a town read on him. Afterwards his lack of posting kinda worried me. But recently he has picked up again. I see the point about him being roleblocked and the KP not showing up. But the doctor could also be the cause of that. I'm sure scum want to kill the people keeping this town active cause if they died we would be in for a rougher time. I think Sent has a more likely to flip scum given the way he has played to this point. So kita why are you voting Vivax? Oh and ##vote: jaybrundage | ||
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On June 07 2013 09:32 Dandel Ion wrote: Due to questionable questions that were questioned, a little PSA: A player can not have more than one role each night. If a role dies at night, it will be flipped as that role, not as VT/Goon. Word yo. Oh stutters you big silly | ||
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why did your team do the cop play on day2? if you had gotten a mislynch and then done it, it might have worked. | ||
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The fact that town can claim all actions at the start of each day is only helpful so long as blue roles go to town. This game was strange in that scum got cop 4 times but if scum get Doctor or roleblocker then they can doublestack and get a lynch on the person that gets roleblocked. At the same time they can get one of their players "almost certainly town" status since very few people will believe that scum would hold KP. Faking a red check is also a strong play but in this case it perhaps didn't work out because it ensured that scum would lose a KP by day3. But if we had mislynched a townie on day1 or even day 2 it could have pretty much won the game since it killed the thread. I felt like this set-up is mafia favored (but it really comes down to who gets which roles). Since so much discussion is role focused a mafia player can justify pushing mislynches quite easily. As town you cannot trust in the roleclaims either since if mafia have a role they can manipulate the actions. There is also no KP outside of the lynch which means that if mafia getting "the near confirmed town" status through roles is even stronger. | ||
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