Roulette Mini Mafia

On June 04 2013 08:28 VayneAuthority wrote:
im all in on 31, spin the wheel m'boy.

I have drank heavily on the past night so I am taking a nap this day. Wake me up when the sun sets.

On June 04 2013 09:29 layabout wrote:

If you say that you arent going to post, pressuring you for a contribution serves no purpose for a townie

On June 05 2013 02:25 s0Lstice wrote:
Stutters, can you answer your own question? You are voting him (Oats) currently so I assume that you have some reason to think he is more likely to be scum than just a townie not particularly giving a shit.

My thinking is I have no idea on his alignment just yet. Generally though being totally careless of the threads opinion of you is a townie trait, so he has that going for now.

I gotta say I agree with layabout on jaybrundage. His entry into the thread was filled with trepidation



It looks to me like he is trying to defuse pressure on him before it even happens. 'I can't rely on previous experiences' is a prepackaged excuse to go light on scum hunting. 'I am occasionally lynch bate' is a prepackaged excuse for looking suspicious. It looks extremely self conscious. This point by layabout too is relevent.



Meaningless pressure. It's a way of looking useful without actually being useful (shit-flinging at somebody who isn't going to be around to take umbrage). This is the direction I want to go. He looks the scummiest of anybody so far.

##vote jaybrundage

On June 05 2013 06:20 WaveofShadow wrote:

No one addresses my post which has said much of the same stuff Vivax did, surprise surprise.
AAAANNNNYYWAYYY

Why should we be giving you a free pass exactly if you have acknowledged that you're lynchbait? Why do you continue to play as such?

On June 05 2013 09:31 Stutters695 wrote:
:popcorn:

Who wants to talk?

On June 05 2013 09:49 JarJarDrinks wrote:

So are you thinking Zeph is scum since you somwhat like prplz case?

How about stutters? Do you think he's just mistaken or are you leaning scum on him?

Or like, do you have an opinion on anybody aside from the guy you're OMGUSing?

On June 05 2013 10:57 VayneAuthority wrote:


I am waiting to see more from him but he's definitely on my radar, I am reading the thread just don't have much to contribute right now. These metagames and pointless accusations this early bore me.

On June 05 2013 11:05 Stutters695 wrote:
Hit send before typing the second paragraph:

I would probably lynch him currently. He's not this inactive usually and it worries me. At this rate we're going to excuse half the thread for lurking and I'd rather not lynch into people who are here to read.

I guess that applies to everyone though, I fucking hate day 1

On June 05 2013 11:51 Stutters695 wrote:
What are your thoughts on Fuba, too early to tell?

On June 06 2013 04:09 Vivax wrote:


I'm still waiting for Sentinel to answer a bunch of questions, but I don't see much reason to lynch him yet, I would like him to answer to SlOosh's case cause it raises some valid points.
If I had to lynch someone else, it would probably be Vayne, but he plays so carelessly that it gives me doubts.

Rayn is probably our best bet anyway.

On June 06 2013 10:32 kitaman27 wrote:
Hi Hi

On June 06 2013 12:22 Ace wrote:


yes that post. read up the discussion surrounding it.




It does matter what they think - notice how I originally voted for rayne. I was first on Oats (who ignored my question) and as I read the thread switched to rayne based on furba's post. As it went on it was clear some people were voting for rayne because he was inactive, and not based on scum reads. That is prime setting for a mislynch.

On June 06 2013 12:56 Zephirdd wrote:
But thats the exact reason why I left the WoS lynch...

On June 06 2013 23:18 WaveofShadow wrote:

Yes. It doesn't make sense to me that you'd sheep someone whose quality of reads is questionable, even if they are town.

Also rereading the past few hours I'd like to hear from jay why he found fuba scmmier than rayn.

On June 06 2013 05:20 jaybrundage wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
@Fuba while obviously there are exceptions to every rule. But over the course of quite a few games I have found out that players who define my playstyle (as being lynchbait) and stop a lynch from going to me on day one.. Are usually town. Scum have no motive to do this they can just let the wagon roll.

While you may think this line of reasoning is scummy. about 80%-90% of the time when im town and someone else defends me and tells everyone that im lynch bait that person defending me is also town. So yes i do find it alignment indicative.

On June 07 2013 06:56 Zephirdd wrote:

unless you are scum. Then there is scum motivation in defending you.

just pointing it out.

On June 07 2013 07:16 Zephirdd wrote:
yeah but like...

Rayn defended you.
We just estabilished that there is no scum motivation into defending you, UNLESS you are scum
Rayn was scum, which means that he had a scum motivation

So, if rayn was scum, and rayn defended you, what does that make?

On June 07 2013 07:59 kitaman27 wrote:
I didn't have as much time as I had hoped to finish this post since I thought the deadline was an hour later, but I want to post it in case I get shot. My top two scum suspects are Ace and Sent currently. Everyone should role claim (I'm vanilla) Punish players if they offer bad alignment cop/medic/roleblocker selections.

Ace had a poor showing day one, not bringing anything of value to the table. He was late to the rayn lynch and even tried to spook people away from the lynch in the final hours. What concerns me the most is that Ace wasn't applying his own views of rayn, he is characterizing whether or not the lynch is legitimate based on the collective reasoning.



With this post, Ace establishes that there is a legitimate reason to vote rayn. Later on, he establishes the case from fuba as the argument that convinced him that rayn is scum.







After an analysis of the votes, however Ace decides that rayn is a poor lynch. Why do the statements that Ace described as a solid line of reasoning no longer apply? If people are voting rayn for the wrong reasons, shouldn't he be convincing people to vote rayn for the right reasons, instead of trying to redirect the lynch? Even if Ace concluded that rayn was an inactivity lynch, concluding that it was a mislynch is a jump that is never adequately explained. An inactivity lynch can be valid if there is supporting evidence that the player is scum in the limited amount of posts they have. Ace never discusses rayn's posts, which should be the deciding factor when determining if the inactivity lynch is a mafia lynch or mislynch.

From the previous game, where I was a scum buddy with rayn, I noticed that on day one, he put effort into scum to scum interaction, sending me a couple of softballs, that weren't really prompted. I wouldn't put much value into this observation, but I think his interaction with Ace and layabout most closely reflect this type of interaction.



Even if you ignore the "scum slip", the thing about this post that seems the most scummy to me is the fact that he is concerned about how he appears to others. A town player votes for the player they want to lynch as scum. A mafia player is more aware of how his vote will look to others. He also appears paranoid when he makes a post stating his concern by not being mentioned by rayn.

I think he overplays his certainty of the lynch in his explanation of a previous post. In his post, he describes it as a gut read and never really indicates that rayn is the player that we should be lynching, until the lynch is already decided. Post-flip he suddenly goes from a gut read to 100% certain.

On June 06 2013 14:07 jaybrundage wrote:

Hmm But isnt my logic sound. If you have a valid reason to suspect someone is scum do the people who are voting for your scum candidate really effect your decision that much i dont get it : /

On June 07 2013 08:21 WaveofShadow wrote:
Also lol of the people I might have RBed jay would have been one of them

On June 07 2013 08:40 layabout wrote:
I don't see how Ace is scummy. At all.

His approach to the lynch was both sensible and productive.

On June 07 2013 10:16 WaveofShadow wrote:
I don't like being pigeonholed into a 2-person lynch choice this early in the day. It kills discussion.
I'm going to go about it as if the copclaim doesn't exist and once I'm done I will factor it in.
If at that point it makes the most sense to lynch Oats or Ace I will gladly go along with it.

On June 07 2013 11:39 kitaman27 wrote:



You're getting lynched if you afk for a second cycle. There is more to discuss past the cop check.

On June 07 2013 13:46 VayneAuthority wrote:


I don't think its a great idea to get caught up in a web of lies considering scum can obtain cop the next night or has already obtained it etc etc. End it while its still small

On June 07 2013 14:01 Ace wrote:


yea but it's more likely that they dont get it. Are you really trying to push a worst case scenario that isn't likely to happen as an excuse to lynch me? Why have you tunneled me but not even considered that my check is legit and Oats is Scum? Do you even have a read on Oats?

On June 08 2013 06:13 Vivax wrote:
I don't get why you people are even discussing Sentinel for lynch. My post lays out already that he is most likely town, I'll explain it like you're 5 year old:

a) He was pushing Oats all along → Unlikely scum with Oats
b) He switched to Ace cause two of his scumreads voted Oats → Unlikely scum with ace (and I don't think that scum would be willing to trade cred for a NK)

Unless ace and Oats are both town, Sentinel isn't scum, barring any powerplay where he plays exactly the opposite of how he should.

We should keep it as simple as possible and lynch Oats, and if Oats flips town we lynch ace, if Oats was miller then we gambled and lost.



Layabout can you lay out the reasons for why you think he's town?

On June 08 2013 03:33 WaveofShadow wrote:
Good question.
I want to hear more from fuba, and jay.
I also wouldn't mind comments on my reads thus far if people show up, though I know better than to expect it. At least at some point if I get shot maybe then people will look at my reads.

On June 08 2013 03:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
We are lynching Ace cause he fakeclaimed a red check on me.

Dont derail this.

If you derail this, its scummy.
Dont do it

On June 07 2013 11:10 layabout wrote:

Yeah but lynching either is risky the chance of two town whilst ignoring them grants more checks allowing us to make a better decision. It also reduced the pool of player mafia are likely to shoot at improving the chance of us getting a medic save.

We should lynch somebody else.

I don't think following the cop is the best play to make in this situation. Especially since the correct(okay strong) play for mafia if they get the cop is to claim a red check.

On June 07 2013 17:18 prplhz wrote:
This really doesn't seem like anything Ace would attempt as scum.

##Vote Oatsmaster

On June 08 2013 07:02 layabout wrote:
well that's embarrassing:

##vote Oatsmaster

jay be quiet the issue we are dealing with is Ace vs Oats everyone has made it quite clear that that's the lynch, there is no point pushing somebody else, it just add noise and confusion.

On June 07 2013 11:10 layabout wrote:

Yeah but lynching either is risky the chance of two town whilst ignoring them grants more checks allowing us to make a better decision. It also reduced the pool of player mafia are likely to shoot at improving the chance of us getting a medic save.

We should lynch somebody else.

I don't think following the cop is the best play to make in this situation. Especially since the correct(okay strong) play for mafia if they get the cop is to claim a red check.

On June 08 2013 07:05 VayneAuthority wrote:


Do you see anyone here that is actually going to listen to him?

On June 08 2013 07:24 layabout wrote:

Why else would i use the past tense?

You called me scum for not pushing somebody other than Ace or Oats.
My posting has been focussed around Ace's check on Oats. Initially i wanted us to lynch elsewhere. But in the end...
I voted for Oats.
You call me scum for trying to derail an Ace/Oats lynch.

On June 08 2013 07:52 Stutters695 wrote:
Does anyone have anything to say about the meta read I posted on Oats? Any counterexamples?I really don't want to lynch into him over a poor meta read but afaik it's pretty true. I haven't seen his recent games though.

On June 08 2013 08:11 layabout wrote:
I have been very open with my thought process. It should be pretty clear that of Ace/Oatsmaster i would vote for Oatsmaster. I didn't want to lynch ace/oats because i cant read oats well and i hate rolebased lynches like this because it is all luck based and it changes the game from being mafia-y to coinflip-y. I was late with my vote onto rayne but generally I am late with my day1 vote.

On June 08 2013 08:02 Stutters695 wrote:


Too hard to link on my phone, here's the quote it hit buried pretty quick

On June 08 2013 09:58 layabout wrote:


1Ace is scummy for trying to derail the rayne lynch and switch to Oatsmaster.

You wouldn't do anything like that would you?

2If you are town you need to be less attached to your reads and more attached to the thread.

On June 08 2013 10:15 layabout wrote:
sucks that when i am around and feel like posting no one else is

Layabout
Before the end of day 1 you called oatsmaster town, Ace scummy and me scummy. And that is what you are doing now. I also feel that you have not attempted to try to understand my viewpoint because your happy to look busy yelling "scum".

On June 08 2013 11:02 layabout wrote:
dammit misread stuff.

jay if you as town are doing what rayne did which gave him away as mafia then i think i have identified a problem with your townplay.

On June 08 2013 12:25 Ace wrote:
I'm back. I know I've been gone all day but I'll make a big post addressing whatever I've missed.

On June 08 2013 12:55 layabout wrote:

I am not telling mafia who my biggest townread is. That's dumb. I would rather see another flip before i push scumreads in thread. You can only lynch 1 person at a time and it's not going to be me. Also there are currently 3 mafia players alive.

On June 09 2013 00:26 prplhz wrote:
@Ace Do you have a read who isn't Oatsmaster?

On June 09 2013 01:06 prplhz wrote:
It really sucks if the universe is screwing us over with a miller but it's just rather unlikely so I'm simply going to ignore that. So assuming we didn't get screwed over by a miller then the most logical conclusion is that Oatsmaster is scum.

But he sure is fighting for his life in a most impressive fashion.

On June 09 2013 02:02 WaveofShadow wrote:

I really hate days like this. This is one of the things that helped us win in Les; discussion only occurs around one topic, and tomorrow it'll be the same topic if Oats flips town.

Not to mention the imp of the perverse just stuck his 3-pronged fork into my prefrontal cortex saying, "hey! What if Ace and Oats are both scum and this really is just one megascumplay.

When I get home I will do my Oats read and vote someone or something. I feel helpless today and I hate that.

On June 09 2013 05:31 WaveofShadow wrote:
Alright f this.
##Vote: Oatsmaster
I've been wanting to do a dive into Oats all day but I'm just not going to have time. Kid won't nap, teething is a bitch.

Just going to be a good little sheep on this one, albeit a black one since I just get awful feelings about how this is all going down. I'd like to say I'll make up for it tomorrow but our next day is practically set up for us one way or the other now, isn't it?

On June 06 2013 02:46 VayneAuthority wrote:


nope, gut read

On June 08 2013 03:57 VayneAuthority wrote:
Im pretty much confirmed town after rayne flipped red, anyone pushing on me reminds me of goodkarma from the les mis game, except im goodkarma this game.

On June 12 2013 03:43 VayneAuthority wrote:
also prp can be scum faking rb so doesnt have to be vivax

On June 12 2013 07:19 VayneAuthority wrote:
The only way your both of us scum theory has credibility is if ace flips town. Ace wouldn't do that a risky move if the last 2 scum left were me and sent ROFL.

Think you are getting a little ahead of yourself

On June 12 2013 10:28 WaveofShadow wrote:
FUCK yeah that's what I'm talking about ladies and gents.
Once again gj not wasting checks on Ace last night.

I'm not good at coming up with plans to use roles and shit, but now that scum KP is at 1, what can we do?
On that note I get the feeling Ace tried what he did because of all of his speculation talk in the pregame knowing we were going to think a certain way. I have to go back and read what he said. I know he didn't roll scum in the pregame obviously but I'm just saying I wonder if he planned what he did based on what he had said previously.

I want to look into the possibility of Fuba being scum. I know it's WIFOM especially since Ace knew he was going to flip eventually but he did call Fuba confirmed town, and it's entirely possible they gave Fuba that case from the start. An early bus is not impossible here, is it?

The obvious choices for the final scum are Vivax/prplhz/Sentinel I know, but we can't risk the fact that there is still strength in the scumteam still. (In which case I'd say kita, 'cause he gud scum)

In any case I'm not sure we can understand entirely why Ace did what he did just yet, and we may have to keep on truckin' simply based on what we've learned about people in general so far.

On June 05 2013 21:35 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
What do you all think of Oats? He's been tunneling Ace on the following evidence:

On June 06 2013 00:16 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
OK first off the Vayne vote was a joke. That much should be obvious.

I was wrong about WoS being a scum given his more recent posting. He seems to be more focused on finding scum now that D1 is in full swing.

So now we have Oats who has little content and sheeps anyone who isn't Ace. And Ace doesn't even look scum.

[##Unvote]
[##Vote Oatsmaster]

On June 06 2013 10:24 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Okay.

I'd like to lynch Oats. However I too shall look into prplhz, Vayne and jay and determine what I think of them.

Guilty until proven flammable?

On June 06 2013 18:51 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Oats it wasn't a scumslip, you realize I was talking about "looking scummy", not "being scummy"?

I had a problem changing my vote because I thought someone could make a case for me being scum either way. If I switched and rayn flipped red, it would look to potential accusers like I was bussing him. If I didn't, it would look to them like I was potentially ignoring him.

Stop grasping at straws that don't exist (*hem* Ace *hem*)

Ots pls

On June 07 2013 18:52 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Vayne and prplhz voted for Oats and defending Ace on little evidence despite public opinion, are we having a repeat of the rayn lynch? Can we be right twice?

##unvote
##vote: ace

On June 06 2013 18:55 Oatsmaster wrote:
No.
Sent.
The point is, in both of your scenarios, rayn flips red.
There is no scenario where rayn flips green in your head.
Thats where you scumslipped.

On June 06 2013 19:40 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I was certain by that point that he was red. Just a matter of voting for him or not.

On June 06 2013 05:04 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Whether or not I sheep rayne my vote will look scummy.

Going with my gut I guess.

##unvote
##vote: raynpelikoneet

On June 10 2013 04:30 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
So the poll is anonymous so I'm guessing the scummers could be honest with their intentions. They'd be fools not to since they can vote for the situation that favors them and nobody would know who voted for wat. Ergo, if he was scum they would label him town and if he was town they'd vote for the lynch.

Without shakalaka's vote (assuming he voted), we have 7-4 in favor of a lynch.

If Ace is town, the three scummers would vote to lynch him and buy an extra day. This would mean 4 towns voted for each scenario. Seems about probable, and scum could swing the wagon to their favored outcome.

If Ace is scum, the three scummers (including Ace) would vote against the lynch. This would mean 7 towns want Ace dead, and only one townie threw his lot in with the scum by some happenstance. This near-unanimous effort by town to lynch him would be less probable - but there is also the guy in IRC who asked Shakalaka to come in and vote for the town option. It would make sense that scum, seeing that despite all their efforts their man is going to get lynched, ask another guy to put some more weight on the town option.

Intredasting.

On June 14 2013 04:16 kitaman27 wrote:
Congrats :D

I was in the lol liquid chatroom and saw you, me, and Wave all join within like two minutes and started wondering if I had missed the memo about our scum meeting :p

I'm hesitant to lynch Sent before Vivax due to the claim. If it turns out Vivax is telling the truth, then its something to consider if the cop checks starting piling up on players making more people innocent than it makes sense.

On June 14 2013 04:59 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:


Made me chuckle, I've been tunneling one of those two all game.

Speaking of which I forgot to vote

##Vote: VayneAuthority

On June 14 2013 04:56 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:

1 out of 10? There are 10 people to assign roles to.

On June 14 2013 08:23 layabout wrote:
lynchlist:
prplhz
sentinel
vivax
kitaman
mkfuba


also didn't most if not all of fuba's towncred come from Ace attributing the rayne lynch to him?

On June 14 2013 23:11 kitaman27 wrote:
Is there anyone who wants to convince me that prpl is a better lynch than Vivax? Those are really the only two I think we should consider today.

On June 15 2013 03:24 Vivax wrote:
Can anyone not voting for stutters give me a quick rundown of reasons why they don't think he's scum?

On June 15 2013 03:27 kitaman27 wrote:
Jay, why aren't you voting Vivax?

On June 15 2013 08:00 Dandel Ion wrote:


Final Votecount

Vivax (3): Stutters695, VayneAuthority, mkfuba07, WaveofShadow, kitaman27
prplhz (0): Vivax, layabout
[UoN]Sentinel (6): prplhz, jaybrundage, mkfuba07, WaveofShadow, Vivax, [UoN]Sentinel
VayneAuthority (1): [UoN]Sentinel
Stutters695 (0): Vivax

Not Voting (0):

[UoN]Sentinel has been lynched!

---

The assembled Gamblers looked down on a hooded figure, shackled and severely beaten and under the influence of at least 5 different lies.

"Fellow Gamblers!", a very loud Gambler yelled. Nobody is quite sure if he's lying about the "fellow" part, but hell, at one point you gotta break the circle. The circle of lies.
"This man has been caught cheating at dice. We all know what cheating at dice means. If he was a townsman like we are, he'd be filthy rich by now. Also lies!"

"I am rich!", the prisoner replied.

"Yes, now. After cheating. Nice lies lying scum liar!"

"I am not a lying liar!", the prisoner exclaimed. Everyone was unsure whether he was lying but clearly that's also what a liar would say.

"Alright guys", Vivax spoke. "Take off his hood. I shall see if his lies are lies or not so lie-y after all."

"Are you certain you're not lying about lying and a liar would fool your lies?"

"This is retarded."

Thus the hood was taken off. Turns out the prisoner was [UoN]Sentinel. A man wide and far known to be a very truthful liar.

Vivax gazed deeply in his eyes.
Not because it does anything, he just wanted to get some sexual tension going.

"Alright, this man is not a lying scum scum liar lies.", he proclaimed publicly.

"HOW DO U NO THO?!?!?"

"Magic"

And then they still killed [UoN]Sentinel. Just to make sure.

[UoN]Sentinel, the Gambling VT has been lynched!

It is now Night 4. Roles being sent out in the next couple minutes, you have 24 hours to send in actions you may have. deadline is at 23:00 GMT (+00:00)
tl;dr: Business as usual.

On June 17 2013 08:31 VayneAuthority wrote:


stutters hopefully? no one really strikes out at me on that list as the last scum. Vivax even isn't that scummy it's more of a policy lynch then anything based on the I receive when he flips. I am assuming a lot of people are town right now that I maybe should or should not based on what he flips so I REALLY hope we get this lynch out of the way today.

On June 06 2013 07:00 prplhz wrote:
Okay guys I don't think it's fair to lynch rainpelikoneet today simply because I think that his work excuse is legit. There are a lot of votes on him because of his relative inactivity which I don't like at all. The only reason to lynch raynpelikoneet is his VayneAuthority town read. That someone is very right about you should arouse some suspicion but I remember in that game where yamato77 smurfed he was really right about me and somehow that also made me get a very strong town read on him (he was scum I was town).

I also don't think it's characteristic for scum to martyr in the way he does. There are no feelings in it, just some very collected thoughts about how "if you want to lynch me for inactivity then do it on day1 because it will not get better", that's actually very reasonable but it's not anything scum would say and I think scum would be much more emotional about martyring.

In short, I think raynpelikoneet is a bad lynch today and I really don't think we should lynch him. He's actually contributing really well considering that it appears that he really doesn't have much time for this game and the weird VayneAuthority read is not enough to make me want to lynch him.

On June 09 2013 22:18 prplhz wrote:
Could also just lynch Vivax, I mean he's pretty obviously scum.

On June 13 2013 21:12 prplhz wrote:
Well the strongest part of my Vivax scum read is actually how he acted around the raynpelikoneet lynch.

Vivax was the 4th vote for raynpelikoneet. At this time the thread was clearly turning against raynpelikoneet because the last couple of votes cast were all on raynpelikoneet. Not just this but the votes (by WaveofShadow and mkfuba07) were accompanied by analysis (and I had complimented WaveofShadow's analysis).

Vivax' vote for raynpelikoneet seems rather fake, "All aboard the wagon of justice" but no analysis or anything, it's just a vote (but formatted like it's actually something else, contrast Stutters695's vote which is also just a vote and also looks like what it is).

Then VayneAuthority makes a silly vote and Vivax notices this, however he does not react on it in any other way than pointing it out. Then WaveofShadow points out the exact same thing and only then does Vivax find the courage to vote for VayneAuthority. The town Vivax I remember from other games doesn't hesitate to vote for people, he just does whatever the hell he wants all the time but this is a lot more restrained.

Then after that he moves his vote back on raynpelikoneet:

He pretty much says "If you're town then you look scum" and then he moves his vote away again. This all looks weird and restrained and like Vivax is looking for opportunities rather than looking for scum.

The rigged poll was also really weird.

That said I believe that he really has exams and this considered he's actually been putting in a decent amount of effort. I also don't think that Vivax and [UoN]Sentinel can be scum together (simply because of this post so I'm going to look into [UoN]Sentinel now).

On June 13 2013 21:58 prplhz wrote:
I guess in the end I'm actually more convinced by JarJarDrinks' analysis than by my own.+ Show Spoiler +

##Vote [UoN]Sentinel

On June 15 2013 06:59 prplhz wrote:
i think today's lynch is a crapshoot

On June 15 2013 07:21 prplhz wrote:
seriously we're lynching a green check because a guy everybody thinks is scummy said "lets reconsider the guy i just wrote a huge case on"

and there's no discussion

On June 15 2013 07:22 prplhz wrote:
1it's not that i actually think sent is a bad lynch,2 it's just that i think there migth be a better lynch in jay/stutters/mkfuba that 3 i didn't really consider yet

On June 17 2013 10:25 VayneAuthority wrote:
I don't have a case. if it makes you feel better I will just consolidate onto prphlz if you really think my policy lynch is suspect when I have went over what it would solve FMPOV.

##unvote

##vote:prphlz

On June 17 2013 13:44 VayneAuthority wrote:


not really sure what kind of content you want? Scum can just as well post long posts so I don't really see the need to do that when I outlined my voting for the past couple days. If I vote for vivax with no case its scummy and if I vote for prphlz its scummy, everything I do is scummy so I don't see a way I can win here

On June 17 2013 14:35 VayneAuthority wrote:


You know that WoS posts a lot as scum too right? just look at Les Mis, Trying to meta me will just lead you to a mislynch, end of story. If you want to say that im posting no content then fine, but don't try to act like its alighment indicative.

On June 17 2013 14:37 VayneAuthority wrote:


The one time I have ever played well on this forum I was scum. If you're calling me bad you're basically calling me town if you want to go the meta route so make up your mind

jay- Also the fact that you have no prefrence between prplhz and Vivax kinda intrigues me. Why dont you care which one dies. You say that you believe Vivax's scum buddie to be stutters. But at the same time you change your vote for prplhz.

On June 17 2013 14:45 VayneAuthority wrote:


Ok well I never post the "content" you're looking for so I guess you'll just have to attempt to lynch me and find out for yourself. I have clearly outlined many times that my preferred lynch is Vivax but you don't seem to care about that, only your own agenda of trying to make me look bad as if you're trying to set up a future mislynch but not necessarily on this day. From what I recall you're only PR claim is a cop check on layabout as town so I guess I need to re-examine your filter as your strange push on me at this certain point in time is intriguing, mainly due to your contrived reasons for voting me.

On June 18 2013 04:44 layabout wrote:
would it be scummy to start a counter wagon to my own lynch in the hope that people will take stances so that i can analyze stuff that isn't day1 or yesterday?

On June 18 2013 04:51 kitaman27 wrote:
No, it's just scummy to ask before you do so because you're worried about looking bad :p

On June 18 2013 05:03 layabout wrote:
well if we kill vivax we get more information about yesterday.

plus we get to kill vivax.

it's win win

On June 18 2013 05:03 layabout wrote:
well if we kill vivax we get more information about yesterday.

plus we get to kill vivax.

it's win win

On June 18 2013 06:22 prplhz wrote:
hey guys i'm not going to write anything substantial anyway but i'm town so if you want to speculate about tomorrow then assume that i'm town

On June 18 2013 06:32 prplhz wrote:

you're*

On June 20 2013 01:54 mkfuba07 wrote:
Oh god, what the hell was wrong with me yesterday. If I don't think scum withheld kp, then either vayne or vivax is scum, right?

On June 20 2013 02:24 kitaman27 wrote:


Both Vivax and Vayne are tied to the N2 action, where Vivax was roleblocked and Vayne claimed to have protected WoS.

On June 18 2013 08:13 VayneAuthority wrote:


if you want your reason here it is: There is zero benefit to a scum player trying to buddy up with a player that has no pull in the game, so the fact that he tried that with me as opposed to some one that could actually change his lynch was baffling.

On June 18 2013 08:20 VayneAuthority wrote:


At this point I doubt this town will ever win, much too fickle. At least I have a clear cut plan on how to approach this game instead of just randomly killing off town.

You don't think its weird that scum that is set to be lynched would randomly say I am town when there is absolutely nothing I can do to stop him from being lynched?

On June 17 2013 10:25 VayneAuthority wrote:
I don't have a case (on Vivax). if it makes you feel better I will just consolidate onto prphlz if you really think my policy lynch is suspect when I have went over what it would solve FMPOV.

##unvote

##vote:prphlz

On June 20 2013 04:10 kitaman27 wrote:
jay, could you point me to the reason you have a town read on Vivax in the meantime?

On June 20 2013 05:18 kitaman27 wrote:


None of this really tells me why you think Vivax is town. Or do you not have a town read on him?

On June 20 2013 05:19 VayneAuthority wrote:


we're talking a night 3 withheld KP here if you think im scum. Do you honestly believe thats likely GIVEN THE CIRCUMSTANCES OF THE GAME AT THE TIME?

Like it makes zero sense. Anyone town on me right now is probably just sick of the game to looking to get it over with.

On June 20 2013 05:34 kitaman27 wrote:


I think it's a terrible idea to withhold kp when your scum team rolls doctor.

I'd consider that the mafia team would double stack a player. Do you think JarJar is a likely double stack target?

On June 21 2013 07:35 Vivax wrote:


And why does it make Vayne town if I'm scum, in your world?

On June 21 2013 07:52 mkfuba07 wrote:
I'm just gonna stick with my vote, and ride it out. This switch by jay makes me uncomfortable, but I was pretty uncomfortable with the lynch tonight anyway...

Wonder who stutters would have voted for if the lynch wasn't already decided.

On June 21 2013 08:05 VayneAuthority wrote:
pretty much between jay and layabout for me now for last scum, lets see what happens tonight

On June 22 2013 14:48 Stutters695 wrote:

I would welcome them lynching me. With DIs clarification it is 100% certain you're scum and you can't win if they do me then you. It really doesn't matter.

On June 23 2013 05:40 kitaman27 wrote:
Thanks for hosting dandel and Artanis!

The d2 scum cop check was interesting, but I think the mafia team would have been better off not claiming it all all. I also think that the roleblocker was pretty town favored and I don't really understand why they wanted to keep it around.

Oats did a really good job on d2 trying to prove his innocence despite the cop check. The Sent lynch was really bad, but I guess it goes to show how dangerous going afk can be even with a green check. I still probably would have ended up lynching prpl, but Vivax obviously should have been lynched first. The fact that prpl was defending Vivax really bothered me, but there was no reason to let Vivax live another day. Vivax and Jay did well to look town for most of the game, but the night actions probably lost them the game by shooting into the medic protect and medic protect/vet. Fuba/Wos probably should have been shot the night that the mafia had control of the medic to make things a lot easier.

On June 23 2013 07:13 Stutters695 wrote:
That was a fun game. I definitely understand the decision of ace to fakeclaim. I lost a lot of motivation to play after that when the thread really died down.sorry about that