EPTOn June 07 2013 08:08 WaveofShadow wrote:
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VayneAuthority
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On June 07 2013 08:08 VayneAuthority wrote: Leaning towards sentinel being town and oats being scum, but my reads have been trash thus far, probably the worst ever. 1 player flipping scum equates to your worst ever reads? | ||
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
He is worrying about how he appears in the thread an awful lot as if he is convinced that he looks bad or he has a guilty conscience: + Show Spoiler + On June 06 2013 05:04 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Whether or not I sheep rayne my vote will look scummy. Going with my gut I guess. ##unvote ##vote: raynpelikoneet On June 06 2013 05:22 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I vote for him -> looks like a last minute bus I don't vote for him -> looks like conveniently ignoring him On June 06 2013 18:51 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Oats it wasn't a scumslip, you realize I was talking about "looking scummy", not "being scummy"? I had a problem changing my vote because I thought someone could make a case for me being scum either way. If I switched and rayn flipped red, it would look to potential accusers like I was bussing him. If I didn't, it would look to them like I was potentially ignoring him. Stop grasping at straws that don't exist (*hem* Ace *hem*) Ots pls This demonstrates a more of a mafia-focused mindset.Particularly in this post: On June 06 2013 19:40 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I was certain by that point that he was red. Just a matter of voting for him or not. [UoN]Sentinel's priorities are all wrong. What matter's is finding and lynching mafia, we are all effectively vt's so town have even less reason to fear dying. Sent is busy worrying about he looks when he is convinced we are about to lynch mafia. This is very strange behavior for a townie but is reasonable behavior for mafia. | ||
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jaybrundage
United States3921 Posts
On June 07 2013 07:16 Zephirdd wrote: yeah but like... Rayn defended you. We just estabilished that there is no scum motivation into defending you, UNLESS you are scum Rayn was scum, which means that he had a scum motivation So, if rayn was scum, and rayn defended you, what does that make? No Vivax defended me by saying that yes I am a often mislynch. Rayn just went after Wos for taking Vivax at face value. I can possibly see scum trying to defend me to take advantage of my misguided trust. But the majority of the time its been town doing it. Oh and I was the Docter I protected Vivax. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On June 07 2013 08:09 kitaman27 wrote: You honestly aren't that bad are you Wave?  Looks like I derped. I thought since we killed the rolecop and the first thing I read in the OP was 'factional KP' there was no point in RBing for higher risk of hitting a role of our own. I didn't have any particularly strong scumreads after Rayn. Blue roles are still my weak point it seems. Make of it what you will. | ||
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mkfuba07
United States1151 Posts
Huh, jay being doctor doesn't fit with my current thoughts on the game. S'ok though, I was probably slipping into omgus territory. @Jay: Why vivax? | ||
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mkfuba07
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WaveofShadow
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
Zephirdd slOosh It would appear that Slo0sh was focused on [UoN]Sentinel yesterday (also rayne) and Zephird was focused on VayneAuthority and jaybrundage (a bit). | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On June 07 2013 08:10 VayneAuthority wrote: scumslip or fail? Not that I have much room to talk Lol even if I were scum, how would it be a slip? Not to mention if scum didn't have the medic (which is how it APPEARS) wouldn't I have wanted to rb to try and hit him? Anyway I don't see the big deal tbh. Someone can explain it to me if its not the obvious fact that I could have blocked one of the KP. I'm still pretty confidernt we've got this. (And in other news I think I might actually need some blue coaching cause in all the games I've had, I never do much good. ) | ||
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jaybrundage
United States3921 Posts
On June 07 2013 07:59 kitaman27 wrote: I didn't have as much time as I had hoped to finish this post since I thought the deadline was an hour later, but I want to post it in case I get shot. My top two scum suspects are Ace and Sent currently. Everyone should role claim (I'm vanilla) Punish players if they offer bad alignment cop/medic/roleblocker selections. Ace had a poor showing day one, not bringing anything of value to the table. He was late to the rayn lynch and even tried to spook people away from the lynch in the final hours. What concerns me the most is that Ace wasn't applying his own views of rayn, he is characterizing whether or not the lynch is legitimate based on the collective reasoning. With this post, Ace establishes that there is a legitimate reason to vote rayn. Later on, he establishes the case from fuba as the argument that convinced him that rayn is scum. After an analysis of the votes, however Ace decides that rayn is a poor lynch. Why do the statements that Ace described as a solid line of reasoning no longer apply? If people are voting rayn for the wrong reasons, shouldn't he be convincing people to vote rayn for the right reasons, instead of trying to redirect the lynch? Even if Ace concluded that rayn was an inactivity lynch, concluding that it was a mislynch is a jump that is never adequately explained. An inactivity lynch can be valid if there is supporting evidence that the player is scum in the limited amount of posts they have. Ace never discusses rayn's posts, which should be the deciding factor when determining if the inactivity lynch is a mafia lynch or mislynch. From the previous game, where I was a scum buddy with rayn, I noticed that on day one, he put effort into scum to scum interaction, sending me a couple of softballs, that weren't really prompted. I wouldn't put much value into this observation, but I think his interaction with Ace and layabout most closely reflect this type of interaction. Even if you ignore the "scum slip", the thing about this post that seems the most scummy to me is the fact that he is concerned about how he appears to others. A town player votes for the player they want to lynch as scum. A mafia player is more aware of how his vote will look to others. He also appears paranoid when he makes a post stating his concern by not being mentioned by rayn. I think he overplays his certainty of the lynch in his explanation of a previous post. In his post, he describes it as a gut read and never really indicates that rayn is the player that we should be lynching, until the lynch is already decided. Post-flip he suddenly goes from a gut read to 100% certain. YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS This is exactly what i was talking about I thought I was mistaken in my reasoning cause of what Zepp said. Kita you still around I got a question for ya. These were my posts talking to ace On June 06 2013 12:29 jaybrundage wrote: I disagree it doesnt matter what they think. If you think someone is scum. Then lynch the person you think is scum. Just cause other people have weird reasons they vote for someone (inactivity you stated) It doesnt matter cause you have better reasons (what you stated was rayns odd reasoning for having a town read on vayne.) Unless you change your mind and dont think someone is scum then you should switch. What reason did you have for leaving the rayn lynch? Other people had bad reasons for voting does not seem like a legitimate answer But then Zep responded with this That he left the Wos lynch for reasons of not liking the votes on him. Or is the difference not liking the vote reasons or the people that are voting. On June 06 2013 14:07 jaybrundage wrote: Hmm But isnt my logic sound. If you have a valid reason to suspect someone is scum do the people who are voting for your scum candidate really effect your decision that much i dont get it : / I just thought aces odd way of going against the lynch was because of other people voting him cause it was an inactivity lynch just bad logic to turn around a lynch. | ||
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jaybrundage
United States3921 Posts
On June 07 2013 08:21 WaveofShadow wrote: Also lol of the people I might have RBed jay would have been one of them ZZZ | ||
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jaybrundage
United States3921 Posts
##Vote Ace O' Spades | ||
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WaveofShadow
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jaybrundage
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Who the hell is the cop? | ||
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layabout
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His approach to the lynch was both sensible and productive. | ||
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jaybrundage
United States3921 Posts
On June 07 2013 08:40 layabout wrote: I don't see how Ace is scummy. At all. His approach to the lynch was both sensible and productive. Well my reasoning is that if you think someone is scum and have a legitimate reason in your mind. Other people voting for your scum lynch is a good thing it shouldn't matter what their reasoning for it is. Whether it be an inactivity lynch or the same reason ace had. He went from Rayn being scum to prolly town due to other people votes on rayn being for activity reasons. Am i making sense? I'm not to gud at explaining things. | ||
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
On June 07 2013 08:4javascript:addUBB_selected('reply_area',%20'quote')4 jaybrundage wrote: Well my reasoning is that if you think someone is scum and have a legitimate reason in your mind. Other people voting for your scum lynch is a good thing it shouldn't matter what their reasoning for it is. Whether it be an inactivity lynch or the same reason ace had. He went from Rayn being scum to prolly town due to other people votes on rayn being for activity reasons. Am i making sense? I'm not to gud at explaining things. But this is quite reasonable: Of these 2 are votes with really strong reasoning, another which comes off as vengeful (layabout) but equally valid since his feeling could be legit. All the other votes could be lumped into inactivity/not strong but rayne will do. And mine which is based on furba's case. That means half the wagon is voting for rayne based on inactivity and the other half because we think he is likely scum more than anyone else. I don't know if that is enough to actually overturn the wagon on him in 2 hours. The only person I'd consider at the moment over rayne is Oats and I don't think many people are up for lynching him. It's quite common to feel like your pushing a mislynch, especially when someone get's a bunch of quick votes and then the thread dies. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
@jay: Once again, read my posts. I was questioning the nature of the lynch even though I agreed with furba's post. The only thing holding me back was Oats' behavior. His filter consists of throwing my name around even when I'm not here. He still never answered my question that I posed when I first got back. But it doesn't matter that much. Oats is Scum. And yea I know the possibility of a Miller exists, but Oats Day 1 play by itself should be raising red flags. ##vote Oatsmaster | ||
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layabout
United Kingdom2600 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + no idea what happened to that quote | ||
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