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@vayne - do u have any response to these? On June 04 2013 09:25 s0Lstice wrote: He's from mafiascum if you remember. To those that haven't played with vayne, he doesn't dive filters as his bread and butter as is typical around here. He is more into tapping the current flow of the thread and NK analysis. On June 04 2013 09:26 WaveofShadow wrote: He does (or at least says he does) in pretty much every game yeah. Alignment null. Vayne I hope you ARE scum this game so I can have the pleasure of fitting your head in a noose. Are you still planning on playing the same way you have in your previous games? Especially in regards to day 1? | ||
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On June 04 2013 12:15 Stutters695 wrote: I haven't really read the scum qt from Les Mis, was JJD active in there despite his lack of posting in the thread? Probably since that's generally been my scum gameplan: Lurk as much as I can get away with. Though obviously I'd have to change it up @ some point or I'd be pretty easy to read. This seems like a wierd thing to bring up. Like u could easily go look @ the QT and find out for yourself. Instead you want someone else to point it out. Especially since a few people in Les Mis mentioned that I had done that exact same thing in my previous scum game. | ||
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On June 04 2013 12:28 Zephirdd wrote: I dont think I've seen such a loaded question since Mattchew asked someone "what are the differences between your town and scum play?". Unless Vayne has been scum in every game for the past season, asking if he is going to play the same as every other game has about the same effect. If Vayne says "I wont play the same" then you ask why wont he play like his town self. If he says "I will play the same as my town games" then you say "but there is no difference between your town and scum" etc. Also Ace, either your plan sucks or I'm doing it wrong. ##unvote ##vote JarJarDrinks My point was this: Vaynes day 1 play was pretty anti-town in the first game I played w/ him where he was town. In the second game he was scum and played the exact same way and everyone gave him a free pass because it was his town meta. I'm trying to get him to be active and participate on day 1 so he can't just hide in his anti-town day 1 meta. | ||
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On June 04 2013 20:36 Zephirdd wrote: Where did I promise activity? Not saying I'm not gonna be active but I was just wondering where you got this from?Anyways, now we got two promises of activity: you ans JJD. Isnt that great? It means that if you guys look lurkish, you will look bad, but thats a nobrainer right?  Also, I responded to your accusation about me questioning vayne. Do you still think my question was "loaded" since I explained vaynes day 1 meta? | ||
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On June 04 2013 22:14 Zephirdd wrote: OK, I suppose you could read that as a promise of activity. I was really just trying to say that even if I was scum, I'd have to change up my playstyle and not continue to be a lurker.If your general scum gameplan is to lurk as much as you can, I assume that your general town plan is to NOT lurk as much as you can. It's not really a gray area; either you lurk or you don't. So I assume that you mean that you won't lurk. Or do you mean to say that you won't be active - which means you will lurk? Wouldn't that mean you would follow your general scum gameplan? | ||
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On June 04 2013 23:38 WaveofShadow wrote: Null so far I guess. Though this post itself I'm not crazy about. Whenever I see someone say "What do you think of me?" I read it as them just trying to go out of their way to prove they have nothing to hide.JJD having just played scum with me, if you had to evaluate my play thus far, what would you think? Vayne you can answer as well. | ||
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On June 05 2013 02:03 Stutters695 wrote: He certainly doesn't read as town to me. I'd like him to explain if he's just trolling or if he really believes Ace is scum.What do you guys think of Oats trolling? Just him not giving a shit or scum? Another person I'd like to hear more from is Sentinel. He voted for Vayne simply because he was the only only person he hasn't played w/. I hate crappy reasons like that. It's just as bad as voting random. (also I'm pretty sure I've also never played w/ him but I could be wrong) Also I like Zephs case against WoS. It's basically what I was trying to say about "What do you think of me?" posts. And the point about him talking about lynching a lurker @ this point makes some sense as well So I guess these are my top 3 suspects right now. | ||
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On June 05 2013 02:46 s0Lstice wrote: He's made like 3 posts. None of which looks really scummy to me.What do you think of jaybrundage, JarJar? | ||
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 I think most of stutters case is pretty weak except for this point: On June 05 2013 04:11 Stutters695 wrote: and I'm kinda surprised to see people writing it off (assumming it's true, I haven't actually checked yet). I'd like to hear from Prplz about this since he does seem to lie here:And now the meta points about Zeph's voting style: Going through his past 3 games Zeph's TL Mafia history, I see Dr. Who(Town), Mexican Standoff (Scum and No Lynching period), and Rockband Mini (SK). If he actually went and looked through his last 3 games, he's lying out his teeth, and if he meant he looked through his last 3 town games, blatant misrepresentation (3/3 on that in this case). On June 04 2013 19:25 prplhz wrote: ...looked through his last three games (all town games) and in all games those games there wasn't a single vote like this. He always has reasonable for his votes. Prplz, did you actually look through Zephs last 3 games? | ||
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On June 05 2013 07:32 jaybrundage wrote: I didn't like stutters case on prplhz as i thought prplhz's case on zep wasn't that bad. So are you thinking Zeph is scum since you somwhat like prplz case? How about stutters? Do you think he's just mistaken or are you leaning scum on him? Or like, do you have an opinion on anybody aside from the guy you're OMGUSing? | ||
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His gung-ho Ace-is-def-scum-guys push seems so contrived. I can't imagine he can actually act so cocksure, especially when his reasons are so weak. Here's his reasoning (which btw came 12 hours after his vote): On June 05 2013 13:17 Oatsmaster wrote: Lets lynch Ace guys. His contributions have been setup speculation, and a random vote on WoS, and defending mkfuba for basically no reason. Scum love to defend people cause it makes them look good. He never explained his vote and he doesnt seem intent to. WAGON OF JUSTICE! I don't want to really defend Ace since he isn't exactly playing pro-town, but these reasons are terrible: - "His contributions have been setup speculation" - Ace just made one post saying we should claim and report results. Oats was the one prodding him further which forced Ace to talk more about it - "random vote on WoS." - OK, I'll agree w/ this one. Random votes are lame. I'd like to see him explain if he actually has a reason for voting WoS or if it was truly random. - "defending mkfuba for basically no reason." Here's the post he's talking about: On June 05 2013 02:04 Ace wrote: His "Scum love to defend people cause it makes them look good." is dumb. How is that post supposed to make Ace look good? Ace was specifically asked what he thought and he answered. How can that possibly be seen as scummy? Not to mention the fact that there's plenty of people posting "defences" for other peopleslightly bad but nothing damning at the moment. He could easily have just left the forum after asking. | ||
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On June 05 2013 22:07 Oatsmaster wrote: Huh? Whoop OMGUS from a newbie. Wonderful. Explain why making a 'bad' case on Ace makes me scum? You voted him without explaining your vote. Something that you're accusing him of. Yes, you eventually gave your weak reasoning. I don't buy how you can be so sure of yourself with such a bad case. I feel like it's an act.And here's something else you accused him of while doing the same thing: On June 05 2013 13:17 Oatsmaster wrote: ...defending mkfuba for basically no reason. Scum love to defend people cause it makes them look good. On June 05 2013 21:33 Oatsmaster wrote: So does defending 2 players in the same post make you like twice as likely to be scum?Jay does his n1 mislynch NA in like every game. Its not alignment indicative. Its likely that the most active player day 1 isnt scum so lets not lynch WoS. | ||
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On June 05 2013 22:43 slOosh wrote: Hey JJD (if it's ok to call you that), could you look into [UoN]Sentinel and rayn? Here's some thoughts I posted earlier: On June 05 2013 02:35 JarJarDrinks wrote: He's posted some since then and it doesn't seem like his vote on vayne was serious. He voted WoS and I think his reasoning was good. He's off my radar for now.Another person I'd like to hear more from is Sentinel. He voted for Vayne simply because he was the only only person he hasn't played w/. I hate crappy reasons like that. It's just as bad as voting random. (also I'm pretty sure I've also never played w/ him but I could be wrong) Rayn hasn't posted much so not all that much to analyze. He also voted WoS for reasons I think are OK. So nothing really scummy from either of these guys IMO. | ||
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On June 06 2013 02:21 Vivax wrote: This dude is even a better lynch ##Unvote ##Vote Vayne Why? | ||
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On June 06 2013 02:38 Zephirdd wrote: So what you're saying that anyone not voting for rayne is scummy? Because we are trying to vote rayn and vayne just decided wos shoukd be lynched, creating a draw in votes and making it easy for scum to switch to whoever they want. On June 06 2013 02:40 VayneAuthority wrote: x2. If I have to move my vote to WoS to keep rayne from getting lynched I will.I don't necessarily think WoS is scum as its too early to tell but if that's my only other option besides rayn, so be it. He is one of my only townreads | ||
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On June 06 2013 02:49 WaveofShadow wrote: lol wtf is this shit? How is that both JJD and Vayne have 'gut' townreads on Rayn? You're both playing the exact same way right now, terribly. You'd rather vote one person you don't think is scum over another but you won't add useful scumreads of your own? Just horseshit play. Shape up. Maybe x2ing wasn't accurate. I just agree w/ vaynes sentiment. I wont say rayn is a townread. I'll just say I haven't seen anything scummy from him @ all this game while I've seen several scummy things from you. Like for example: it seems like you know that vayne and myself are town right now when you're criticising our play. If you're town, I'd expect you to @ least think that we're scum. | ||
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On June 06 2013 02:56 Zephirdd wrote: I think it's best to kill the person I think is most likely to be scum and Rayn aint it.Vayne and JJD. You both played with scum WoS. If WoS dies, the guy who played scum with you and could asses meta reads on you wont be around. Like he just did with vayne. Do you think its worth it to kill the active player that defended your asses over the guy that said he wont do shit for 1.5 weeks? | ||
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On June 06 2013 03:13 WaveofShadow wrote: This I don't. Why do I have to be scum in order to criticize your play? What are the several scummy things you've seen from me? Why aren't you pushing your own scumread, Oats? You don't. But I'd think you'd @ least somewhat suspect us if we're trying to save your scumread from being lynched by voting for someone you know is town (yourself). I've mentioned stuff and so have other people. I mean, you've had several votes on you. Why do you think that is? I don't want to post a case against you because I don't think you're the best lynch today. But you're a better lynch than rayn. I voted Oats, posted my case against him, and responded to his rebuttal. What else should I do? Spam the thread? | ||
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On June 06 2013 03:33 WaveofShadow wrote: You're being ridiculous. I posted my Oats case. There's not much else I can add and I'm not gonna spam the same shit over and over. And like I said, I'll vote for you if comes down to a race between you and someone I think is less scummy. If I'm not the best lynch today then you have no excuses. Push your goddamn target. When was the last time you said anything about Oats? People probably forgot all about him. Honestly, you're digging yourself a hole here. The fact that you continue to stand by your shit reasoning looks worse to me than Vayne having none. I want one of two things right now: You're either voting for me and providing ample reasoning for it, or you admit you were wrong about me and you continue to push Oats. Your play does not support anything else right now. | ||
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On June 06 2013 05:28 Ace wrote: My case against Oats:Not really. It isn't like the case made on rayne is super weak. If you've got a better target then I'm willing to hear it. Otherwise I'm guessing you want a no lynch? It's plurality votes win so we'd have to explicitly vote for it. + Show Spoiler + On June 05 2013 21:39 JarJarDrinks wrote: ##Vote Oatsmaster His gung-ho Ace-is-def-scum-guys push seems so contrived. I can't imagine he can actually act so cocksure, especially when his reasons are so weak. Here's his reasoning (which btw came 12 hours after his vote): I don't want to really defend Ace since he isn't exactly playing pro-town, but these reasons are terrible: - "His contributions have been setup speculation" - Ace just made one post saying we should claim and report results. Oats was the one prodding him further which forced Ace to talk more about it - "random vote on WoS." - OK, I'll agree w/ this one. Random votes are lame. I'd like to see him explain if he actually has a reason for voting WoS or if it was truly random. - "defending mkfuba for basically no reason." Here's the post he's talking about:His "Scum love to defend people cause it makes them look good." is dumb. How is that post supposed to make Ace look good? Ace was specifically asked what he thought and he answered. How can that possibly be seen as scummy? Not to mention the fact that there's plenty of people posting "defences" for other people On June 05 2013 22:34 JarJarDrinks wrote: Huh? You voted him without explaining your vote. Something that you're accusing him of. Yes, you eventually gave your weak reasoning. I don't buy how you can be so sure of yourself with such a bad case. I feel like it's an act. And here's something else you accused him of while doing the same thing:So does defending 2 players in the same post make you like twice as likely to be scum? Also I think the fact that the votes went to rayn so quickly when it looked like WoS was in danger of being lynched is telling. I wouldn't mind a WoS lynch here. | ||
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Wave, let's say Rayn does show up and convinces you he's town. Who would you switch to? | ||
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So I'd like to point out something that I noticed @ the time but mostly ignored it because I thought it was unlikely that rayn was actuallly gonna flip red: On June 06 2013 05:22 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I vote for him -> looks like a last minute bus I don't vote for him -> looks like conveniently ignoring him Why would he call it a last minute bus @ that point? Doesn't that mean he knows that rayn is about to flip red? I think this is a slip. | ||
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On June 06 2013 19:40 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: This confuses me. Your previous post seems to imply that you weren't sure if rayn was scum or not:I was certain by that point that he was red. Just a matter of voting for him or not. On June 06 2013 18:51 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Explain what this last statement was supposed to mean.Oats it wasn't a scumslip, you realize I was talking about "looking scummy", not "being scummy"? Regardless, I'm gonna call your statement that you were "certain by that point that he was red" total BS. Here's your post where you vote him: On June 06 2013 05:04 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: So you were going with your gut and that was enough for you to be certain he was scum? Cmon.Whether or not I sheep rayne my vote will look scummy. Going with my gut I guess. ##unvote ##vote: raynpelikoneet | ||
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On June 06 2013 10:14 Zephirdd wrote: prplhz: This guy is pretty good and I don't see any of that so far. He hasn't done much so far and I don't like any of it. => raynpelikoneet is being little scummier. => I'd lynch Oatsmaster over raynpelikoneet. => "The only reason to lynch raynpelikoneet is his VayneAuthority town read." + "I think raynpelikoneet is a bad lynch today and I really don't think we should lynch him." And then proceeds to maintain "lynch oats" and "rayn is town". Yeah I just reread his filter and it's pretty suspect how he 180s on Rayn. He goes from calling his scummy @ least 3 seperate times and saying how he really likes WoS's case against him to totally defending him hard once rayn starts getting alot of votes. He was perfectly happy accusing rayn when it looked like he was safe from the lynch. He then sheeped my Oats read because if u look @ thread sentiment @ the time, Oats looked like the only possible person that we could manage a switch to @ that time. Then he responds to rayns goodbye post immediately before the flip: On June 06 2013 08:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: I really am busy for the record. :/ On June 06 2013 08:02 prplhz wrote: yea well no one with a brain would seriously think you're the scummiest inhere anyway First of all, that's a pretty big change from what he had said earlier. But what really stands out to me about this: When Rayn made that post, I immediately thought "oshit, maybe he really is scum". Like why would a townie make that post? Seemed to me that he was saying "Yeah I may be scum, but my excuse was legit". Prplz post reeks of a "Hey look I'm just a bad townie. Why would I call someone green right before they flip red if I was really scum?". | ||
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Good Job Ace. He actually had changed my mind somewhat overnight so I'm glad you checked him. | ||
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On June 07 2013 09:38 Oatsmaster wrote: Yep. ummmmm? So I was looking townier and townier and BAM COP CHECK YOU MUST BE RED! That doesnt make much sense JJD. Just taking the #s into account. Odds of mafia getting cop are so much less then then town getting cop. Then, I fail to see a reason for a scum Ace to lie here. Just to get a single mislych? How is that a good scum play? Scum gets a blue role and THAT's how they try to utilize it? And then there's the fact that I think you look alot scummier than Ace. I may have started to doubt my initial scumread on you, but I've never had a scumread on Ace | ||
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On June 07 2013 11:21 Oatsmaster wrote: It is a point. It may not be a point that stands on it's own. But it would be dumb not to take it into consideration. Not a point. He can just say, OH MILLER MY BAD. And cause its 1 shot night roles, he doesnt have to explain why he is alive or not roleblocked or whatever. You understand? 1 reason why I think Ace is scum its cause he isnt addressing the scum side of possibly claiming cop in this setup AT all. Thats bad. Thats really bad. you're wrong about me. Maybe you are wrong about Ace too. You know that he can't just say "OH MILLER MY BAD" and expect to not get lynched. There's like a 6% chance that you rolled miller. We just can't take miniscule possiblities into account like that. | ||
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The only thing that matters with this lynch, is whether you think me or Ace is scum. OK, I think you're scum.Ignore the cop check or unlikelyness that I am miller or that Ace is dumb to fakeclaim cop. Why would we ignore that? The fact that this action makes absolute zero sense for a scum Ace to do is a HUGE part of the case against you. Scum is not gonna make a one for one trade. Town on the other hand will make that trade every time. IGNORE THAT. Go and figure out, with reasons, why either of us is scum. All the night actions or fakeclaims did was pick todays lynch between me and Ace. Thats all. Anything further relating to that is useless speculation No it's usefull speculation. The reason you don't want people to look @ that piece of evidence is because of how bad it makes you look. | ||
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On June 07 2013 22:28 Oatsmaster wrote: All I'm saying is it should be taken into consideration. It should NOT ne ignored.Yes it makes me look bad, no its not fucking relevant. Ask Kita, Ask Ace. This numbers thing should not be why you wanna lynch me rather than Ace. Scum IS gonna make a 1 for 1 trade rather than a 1 for none. Especially since they get rid of a vocal townie in the process. Ace may have felt that this ploy was the only way he would survive to the end of the day. I dont know. Too many things to speculate about which means that its not useful in determining my alignment, or Ace's alignment. See this is why Ace's play makes no sense for scum. You're saying that there's too many things to speculate about. But I'm not seeing any situation that makes sense here for scum. Please point out a scenerio where Ace exposing himself makes sense. Because "he felt he couldnt handle the pressure." sure as heck isn't a good reason. Tell me why please, not referring to the fact that I am checked red by a claimed cop. + Show Spoiler + : On June 05 2013 21:39 JarJarDrinks wrote: ##Vote Oatsmaster His gung-ho Ace-is-def-scum-guys push seems so contrived. I can't imagine he can actually act so cocksure, especially when his reasons are so weak. Here's his reasoning (which btw came 12 hours after his vote): I don't want to really defend Ace since he isn't exactly playing pro-town, but these reasons are terrible: - "His contributions have been setup speculation" - Ace just made one post saying we should claim and report results. Oats was the one prodding him further which forced Ace to talk more about it - "random vote on WoS." - OK, I'll agree w/ this one. Random votes are lame. I'd like to see him explain if he actually has a reason for voting WoS or if it was truly random. - "defending mkfuba for basically no reason." Here's the post he's talking about:His "Scum love to defend people cause it makes them look good." is dumb. How is that post supposed to make Ace look good? Ace was specifically asked what he thought and he answered. How can that possibly be seen as scummy? Not to mention the fact that there's plenty of people posting "defences" for other people On June 05 2013 22:34 JarJarDrinks wrote: Huh? You voted him without explaining your vote. Something that you're accusing him of. Yes, you eventually gave your weak reasoning. I don't buy how you can be so sure of yourself with such a bad case. I feel like it's an act. And here's something else you accused him of while doing the same thing:So does defending 2 players in the same post make you like twice as likely to be scum? Like I was already voting for you yesterday. It's not like the cop thing is the only thing I'm considering | ||
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On June 08 2013 01:33 Oatsmaster wrote: Can you show me where you're getting this from? Serious question because I really never felt that anyone aside from you were considering lynching Ace.Ok. Current Premise im operating under until Ace returns. He knew that if he were to just normally afk, HE WOULD GET LYNCHED, No doubt. 0. People were already turning to the idea of lynching Ace. So he busts out fake cop check to make sure I get lynched(Most fucking vocal person in the thread) And he doesnt die today. Also when he gets me lynched. Oh miller, sorry guys. ITS NOT A 1 for 1, and you guys need to stop thinking that way. | ||
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On June 08 2013 03:46 WaveofShadow wrote: Heh I actually agree w/ Oats on that last one. The only scenerio in which I can imagine scum Ace lying about Oats is if Sent is also scum and they decided to take a huge gamble becuase Sent looked like he was headed towards a noose today. Sent planting seeds that he may not vote for Ace worries me.lol Sent I was about to say I have no idea why Oats thought your post was scummy | ||
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On June 08 2013 04:11 VayneAuthority wrote: ????He said I was town because he was trying to buddy up people outside of the mafia to get the lynch changed, he did the same thing with JJD. This isn't that complicated. | ||
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On June 08 2013 04:15 VayneAuthority wrote: Just did. It's not apparent to me @ all. Please explain to me what you're talking about.Read rayne's filter and it will become apparent | ||
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Sent can you tell me why you voted for Ace after the cop reveal? Cause I just read through your filter and several times you mention that you'd like to lynch Oats or that he's scummy. But nowhere do you act even a little bit suspicious of Ace. In fact you pretty much said the exact opposite: On June 05 2013 21:35 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: What do you all think of Oats? He's been tunneling Ace on the following evidence: On June 06 2013 00:16 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: So now we have Oats who has little content and sheeps anyone who isn't Ace. And Ace doesn't even look scum. [##Unvote] [##Vote Oatsmaster] On June 06 2013 10:24 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Okay. I'd like to lynch Oats. However I too shall look into prplhz, Vayne and jay and determine what I think of them. Guilty until proven flammable? On June 06 2013 18:51 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Oats it wasn't a scumslip, you realize I was talking about "looking scummy", not "being scummy"? I had a problem changing my vote because I thought someone could make a case for me being scum either way. If I switched and rayn flipped red, it would look to potential accusers like I was bussing him. If I didn't, it would look to them like I was potentially ignoring him. Stop grasping at straws that don't exist (*hem* Ace *hem*) Ots pls On June 07 2013 05:23 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: So after all that, Ace says he copchecked Oats and Oats is scum. So you decide to prplhz - 7/10 scumpoints for his questionable defense of rayn which may or may not be motivated by meta (2 above neutral for his flip flop) vayne - 9/10 scumpoints from bringing nothing of value and defending rayn oats - 6/10 scumpoints because although his godforsaken ace push is angering me, he's using what little substance he offers to pressure me into a lynch. rayn was ignoring me (I maintain that he was setting me up). vayne looks like he's ignoring half the players in this game too (including at least one scum). oats is taking the spotlight to lead who he (mistakenly) thinks is town. he gets one scumpoint for the ace push and is otherwise a neutral (but incredibly pithy!) player. [B]On June 07 2013 18:52 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: You're scum.##vote: ace | ||
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On June 07 2013 18:52 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: This is the only reason I see. Basically he's saying that Vayne and Prplhz are scum and defending Ace? And that's why he voted for him even though he hadn't seemed scummy the entire game and he redchecked someone that he did think was scummy? Really?Vayne and prplhz voted for Oats and defending Ace on little evidence despite public opinion, are we having a repeat of the rayn lynch? Can we be right twice? | ||
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On June 08 2013 05:16 kitaman27 wrote: Yeah, why would Vayne and prplhz be scummers in that situation? I don't know which of Vivax's scenarios are true. But I'm pretty sure it aint the one where Sent is town. I just can't possibly imagine him voting Ace there. Add to that the scumslip and his defense of it. And he's practically confirmed scum.I think the alternative to this argument is that Sent's scum reads aren't actually legitimate and he is willing to push whatever doesn't lead to the dreaded 10v2 scenario. | ||
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On June 08 2013 06:13 Vivax wrote: I kinda agree w/ this. That's one reason I'm now hesitant to vote Oats.a) He was pushing Oats all along → Unlikely scum with Oats b) He switched to Ace cause two of his scumreads voted Oats → Unlikely scum with ace Ok I'm not following you here. First of all if he's scum he doesn't have any scum reads. Second, and I've already said this. If Ace is scum then the only possible reason he fakeclaimed Cop is because he wanted to keep Sent from going to the noose which seemed likely. Like him voting for Ace is exactly what a scum Sentinel would do if they were scumbuddies because it serves 2 purposes: 1) if most people think he's scum, they're more likely to vote for the other guy. And 2) When Oats flips green and then Ace subsequently flips red, Sent looks great since he was voting Ace from the getgo. Since it was pretty obvious that Aces claim was gonna get Oats lynched,it becomes a no-brainer for Sent to vote Ace. Unless ace and Oats are both town, Sentinel isn't scum And this is the other thing I'm worried about. On the off chance that towncop checked townmiller. I'd hate for us to waste 2 lynches while we give the scummiest guy in the thread a free pass. I mean, I really don't see how anyone can look @ this case: + Show Spoiler +On June 08 2013 04:58 JarJarDrinks wrote: I actually wish this Ace-Oats thing didn't happen so we could just go ahead and lynch Sentinel because he's by far the scummiest person in the thread. Sent can you tell me why you voted for Ace after the cop reveal? Cause I just read through your filter and several times you mention that you'd like to lynch Oats or that he's scummy. But nowhere do you act even a little bit suspicious of Ace. In fact you pretty much said the exact opposite: So after all that, Ace says he copchecked Oats and Oats is scum. So you decide to You're scum. | ||
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JarJarDrinks
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On June 08 2013 15:05 Ace wrote: OK, but I feel like a an Oats/Sent team is kinda unlikely and Sent is just blatently scum right now. I'd still rather Lynch Oats than you for all the reasons I've already said. But I;d rather Lynch Sent than either of youNo need to worry, I'm not Scum. Don't associate his behavior with me. I already outlined it would be a crazy idea for me to gamble with his defense here. On June 08 2013 16:40 Ace wrote: Ace, you do realize that is Oats flips green, you're autolynched tomorrow. The cop isn't gonna waste a check on you. I really don't like how you're already making contingency plans for a town flip. If we're planning on wasting a copcheck on you in the case of a mislynch, it makes more sense to not lynch you or Oats today and wait till we get results back. Right. I even said if Oats flips Town and you guys don't believe me just have the Cop check me tonight. In the post where I claimed I even, never mind I'm just repeating myself. .... It's a wonderful idea. We know the possibility of a miller does exist so Oats flipping Town implicates me. A simple check resolves whether I am lying or not unless I am scum and get miller/gf. Lynching me results in up to 6 dead Townies when 1 check could have saved us time and lives. .... No. The risk is too great as a simple Cop check would get me lynched This is why I think we should lynch Sent today. An unlucky miller check basically means we lose 6 townies before we get back to the game. We should lynch Sent cause he's scum, have the cop check Ace tonight, and lynch one of Ace/Oats tomorrow. | ||
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JarJarDrinks
United States1302 Posts
On June 08 2013 22:28 Vivax wrote: Exactly what I thought, it'd be a waste of a check. So you guys are both advocating that if Oats flips green, we still don't check Ace tonight right? Because if it would be a waste of a check when we lynch outside of Ace/Oats, it would be even more of a waste if we lynch a town Oats first. | ||
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JarJarDrinks
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On June 08 2013 22:39 Ace wrote: Don't look at it as a contingency plan then. It's literally me spelling out every explanation of the various scenarios I've been asked over and over. I know I'm Town and confident in my check. In the unlikely scenario Oats flips Town then clearly I'd ask to be checked to clear myself and avoid 6 Town deaths. What else would you expect me to say? Go ahead and lynch me? No I understand as either town or scum you'd want the cop to check you @ that point. But you understand that it's unlikely to happen and we'd most likely autolynch you? If you could choose between these 2 scenarios, what you would choose? Lynch Oats and if he flips green autolynch you tomorrow OR Lynch Sentinel and have a cop check you tonight and then we lynch based on the cops info tommorrow. | ||
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JarJarDrinks
United States1302 Posts
That's why Sent decided to try and bus Ace. Reposting my case against Sentinal now that we're pretty sure Ace is scum: + Show Spoiler + On June 08 2013 04:58 JarJarDrinks wrote: I actually wish this Ace-Oats thing didn't happen so we could just go ahead and lynch Sentinel because he's by far the scummiest person in the thread. Sent can you tell me why you voted for Ace after the cop reveal? Cause I just read through your filter and several times you mention that you'd like to lynch Oats or that he's scummy. But nowhere do you act even a little bit suspicious of Ace. In fact you pretty much said the exact opposite: So after all that, Ace says he copchecked Oats and Oats is scum. So you decide to You're scum. Summary: - Sent spends all of day one suspecting Oats and saying that Ace isn't scummy. - He then scumslips @ night - Ace fakeclaims which basically guarantees that the next 2 lynches go Oats>Ace - Sent votes for Ace. For some reason, Sent thinks that Ace is lying about redchecking Oats even though he spent all of day 1 talking about how scummy Oats was and how not scummy Ace was. And like, when I bring this up, he doesn't try and defend himself @ all. He disapears from the thread because he doesn't want to derail the Oats lynch. Sent and Ace need to be our next lynches. I'd actually prefer Sent first because there is a small chance Ace checked the miller. But Sents vote for Ace makes no sense for town in that situation either so he's the better lynch. Either way, we shouldn't waste cop checks on them cause they're so far @ the end of the scum spectrum. Cop should check someone who's just a little suspicious like Vivax/Vayne/Jay. | ||
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JarJarDrinks
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Sheep my case against Sentinel. Best guess for scumteam is Sent/Ace/then probably vivax. If Ace is town then I'd probably suspect WoS. Other suspicious people are Vayne/Stutters/jay, but not as much as the first group. Also, just thought of this: NO ONE CLAIM UNTILL AFTER THE COP DOES. If Ace is scum then the reason he waited untill after all the other roles claimed was so that he could make sure that Oats wasn't another role (meaning he could say oops Miller). We should have thought of that. | ||
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JarJarDrinks
United States1302 Posts
/obs please | ||
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