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On June 20 2013 03:31 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2013 02:24 kitaman27 wrote:On June 20 2013 01:54 mkfuba07 wrote:
Oh god, what the hell was wrong with me yesterday. If I don't think scum withheld kp, then either vayne or vivax is scum, right? Both Vivax and Vayne are tied to the N2 action, where Vivax was roleblocked and Vayne claimed to have protected WoS. I wanna lynch Vayne still. He has done hella scummy things. And given WoS's theory on scum using blue roles it would make sense that he would hold the shot and claim he doc protected someone.
I'm actually starting to agree with you. Filter diving him now. The only thing that gives me pause is what happened in I Swear.
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Well I was typing up a long ass post on why Vayne was scum but by the time I finish it you guys will have lynched him. Here's what I was thinking of his D1 play.
Ok so big post on Vayne:
There will be blood meta so I'll highlight the meta in red, bold red will be to emphasize something.
Day 1: He really isn't saying dick, but no surprise there. He's done it both of the other games I've played with him (1 town, 1 scum).
Here is where it starts to bug me
On June 05 2013 01:29 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2013 23:38 WaveofShadow wrote:
I may advocate a lurker lynch today. I am aware that people (ie Vivax) have stated their activity may be low but everybody can't be excused. I would not be surprised in the least if 1 or 2 scum are hiding thus far since there has been essentially no reason to post yet. Activity is shit so far and there is nothing useful to talk about yet; as far as I can tell people who have planted their votes have done so with mostly minimal reasoning and if the intent was to generate discussion, well it hasn't really.
Sorry to be a downer but I both love and hate D1 and this game has me leaning towards the hate side, strongly.
Sloosh, is your lurking indicative of you being scum, ie Carnival Cruise?
Rayn, where you at?
JJD having just played scum with me, if you had to evaluate my play thus far, what would you think?
Vayne you can answer as well. Don't really care for meta, guess you'll just have to find out once the start actually starts rolling
On June 05 2013 10:57 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 10:55 Stutters695 wrote:
Well I don't have the time to do detailed analysis of everyone I want to look into right now but let's bounce some suspects.
First for me is Fuba. Check out his long post his only suspect has been Vayne and with his answer he takes some time to defend himself and waffles on Vayne. Very noncommittal, doesn't really pressure and has been mia. I haven't played with Fuba in ages but I remember him being much more active. Do you think he's strapped for time and town or a scummer getting by due to the relative inactivity. I am waiting to see more from him but he's definitely on my radar, I am reading the thread just don't have much to contribute right now. These metagames and pointless accusations this early bore me.
That's twice in early d1 he says he doesn't care for meta, yet his first real stance is a townread on Rayne for meta where he votes WoS for no reason except that at least it isn't his town read.
+ Show Spoiler +On June 05 2013 15:10 VayneAuthority wrote:
I dont see anything on rayn, he doesn't really have a meta from what I have seen. He plays differently from game to game and his activity is based off the time he actually has not his alignment. Neither of us are good lynches. I am leaning towards mkfuba or WoS not sure yet On June 06 2013 02:40 VayneAuthority wrote:
I don't necessarily think WoS is scum as its too early to tell but if that's my only other option besides rayn, so be it. He is one of my only townreads
He also defends Ace by saying that if he's town scum will shoot him, so there is no point in lynching him/getting him to contribute.
Then he switches to Fuba because he's his "real read."
Now that the summary is done, onto why this is scummy:
First, I consider Vayne a very cognizant player. It isn't that his reads are amazing or anything as town but he's always thinking ahead. That is part of my concern with him.
For the obvious scum motivations he got by d1 with not being a serious suspect at all and avoiding contributing literally anything. Although defending two scum could just be terrible luck, I would not rule out the possibility of scumteam consisting of Ace and Vayne to orchestrate that. He defends both confirmed scum on no reasoning at all. That isn't something that just happens.
I'd also like to call attention to + Show Spoiler [this post] +On June 06 2013 11:14 VayneAuthority wrote:
I welcome anyone that questions my alignment to cop me then if you can't vig me, so we don't waste a lynch.
Vayne is too focused on how night actions affect gameplay to not realize that with the godfather possibility, you can't rely on someone calling themselves for a cop check to be reliable.
Overall a pretty scummy d1 but nothing really concrete in it, Gonna abridge the rest to get it out quick.
If a scum recieves the miller/GF role, are they informed that they are the GF for that night?
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Vayne, the Abridged Series Episode 2
d2/n2
He calls himself confirmed town via Rayns WIFOM, then says if Ace flips scum we need to reexamine confirmed town because clearly Ace set something up. Purely speculation, but notice that he really doesn't do anything yet again.
When he does decide to post reads look at them
+ Show Spoiler [reads] +On June 09 2013 12:13 VayneAuthority wrote:
Also I would check out stutters, something is up there. Something doesn't feel right about him looking through his filter. Look at the progression that brought him to Rayn and how he's been pretty much afk for this 2nd day. On June 09 2013 12:23 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2013 12:16 WaveofShadow wrote:
Let's chat, you and I, since you seem to be around.
Firstly, you mention that there are 2 scum that bussed Rayn hard. Referring to Ace's separation of those who voted Rayn into the "had good reasons to vote" camp and the "inactivity lynch" camp, which camp are those scum more likely to fall?
Secondly, what are your thoughts on how we need to proceed on Day 3? They didn't necessarily have to bus him hard but they definitely voted somewhere in the middle of the pack im guessing or maybe even early (this is all assuming ace is scum) I would say the ones to me that look the most suspicious are stutters, Vivax, JJD. Leaning towards sentinel being town but really can't tell what he's doing tbh. stutters- Tosses around his vote a bit and is quite active, more than I would like from stutters but maybe he just had time on his hands. The damning part is that he kind of ends up on rayn with no real reason, just pops in the thread late and votes him. Vivax was trying to push a lynch on a weak player(me) which is something we both know scum love to do, and kind of just voted for rayn for no reason at all either. JJD is doing the same thing as last game where he kind of pre-conceives before the flip but I cant get a good read here, null leaning scum I've dropped the mkfuba thing but you thing I should re-examine it?
First notice that all four of his reads show little to no scum motivation. There's an irony here that he accuses Vivax of trying to push a lynch on a weak player when that is what he was doing to me (over a weekend I may add when I have made it abundantly clear I'm not as active). His JJD read is easily the worst reason of the 3 (at least voting Rayn without justification can be scummy, but he never explains why it is something that wouldn't happen as a townie).
Rinse and repeat that on me throughout the entire game.
Also this post is scummy as shit.
On June 09 2013 12:25 VayneAuthority wrote:
Day 3...well first of all we have to see who dies and what roles people claim. Then we need to carefully consider our lynch, Ace is probably going to die but we don't really need to discuss that unless some one gives an interesting cop report or something.
Day 3 should be used to setup for endgame I presume
afk a while, driving home.
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I don't understand why scum would double stack JJD.
I could see Vayne protecting the hit to try and boost his town cred and there is still the possibility of vivax getting role blocked.
Looking at the NKs it's pretty obvious Fuba and I can't be scum together since if we were there would have been no reason to sacrifice two NKs to give Fuba minor town cred with his vet absorption when as an alternative we could have easily shot knowing that Fuba was a very unlikely RB compared to me.
That doesn't clear me for that night but i know I'm telling the truth about it makes Fuba confirmed town to me because he's responsible for two saves when otherwise this is a potential lylo. Thus the question for me is are vivax/Vayne/both up to something? I think yes and Vayne is the more likely to flip scum.
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Also sorry DI, reading is really hard.
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Layabout if you think Vayne is town care to explain how you see some of the things we've listed?
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Vayne I want you to explain why Fuba would be responsible for two saves if he's scum when if he didn't shoot himself last night it would be a potential lylo and he wasn't even remotely considered a serious lynch before today.
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Or justify your vote by anything other than night action speculation
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If Fuba believes I'm town that means every night was a town save/vet with the exception of n2 which we still don't know since vivax hasn't flipped. If scum fucked with a night to confirm someone, you're really likely to do it and you're also the scummiest person to me. I can understand where he's coming from. I want you to show me the justification for this because I'm pretty sure he's town.
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So tell me, if the mafia manipulated that lynch who in your opinion did that? If I'm not mistaken I'm your only constant scumread and I was against sent before vivax. Would have preferred vivax to prp also but I wasn't here most of the day to argue against it and that one made more sense.
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I can live with Vaynes answer. I would like to hear him explain his thought process on a few of the points against him but vivax is the only other reasonable lynch imo. Plus it fills us in on what happened n2
##vote: Vivax
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Vivax can you elaborate on what about his cares felt fabricated?
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Also ##unvote
I need to think about this.
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On June 22 2013 04:29 jaybrundage wrote:
Ok do you guys think that Vivax was bussed. Or that his scum partner was hard defending him.
Good question, I'm honestly not sure at all. I feel like logically a bus is a bad move but if he felt vivax was definitely going to die by tomorrow at the latest it couldn't hurt to try and get town cred. I'm probably not even going yo consider it in my reads.
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If he doesn't claim soon (like before 9) I'll claim but I really would like to hear who was rb
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I'm the cop and it should have been obvious when I said I'd claim. Since Jay has posted and didn't claim rber that means there is a chance he is actually Miller but I checked Jay and got guilty.
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Oh Jesus didn't see him claim. Jay is last scum ggwp
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