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On June 15 2013 04:07 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 06:23 Stutters695 wrote:
Oh, one more thing Rayne, if he's trying to change his meta than he needs to be here and actively trying. Regardless of his alignment he appears disinterested and from my experiences he's not nearly as involved as scum as town. Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 14:04 Stutters695 wrote:You could literally say that about 3/4 the thread. Why ace specifically? On June 05 2013 14:34 Stutters695 wrote:
I'd say both Rayne and Vayne fall into a similar synopsis as your one for ace Also, where are you Ace? PLEASE, go to stutters' filter, where the posts are located, read what stutters writes since his first post about Rayn, then look at what he's writing about ace, and last, check the timing of his vote. It reeks of scum play, I want to lynch stutters today.
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Please explain why what you're saying makes me scum, with examples and why these wouldn't be things I'd do as town.
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On June 15 2013 00:46 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2013 00:32 kitaman27 wrote:At the same time, we have this interaction from Ace: On June 10 2013 05:39 Ace wrote:
Stutters if you're still around I've got a question for you On June 10 2013 05:57 Ace wrote:On June 10 2013 05:49 Stutters695 wrote:
Sure, shoot. LXI you were the serial poisoner who was playing so town you got caught because you kept getting defensively RBd. Aww I'll take that as a compliment. Although I'd like you to point what is so un-Town like about me this game. So here's my question. Imagine you get cop night 1 this game. Your top scum read comes back with a red check. You are under no pressure of getting lynched. Would you claim? In essence tell me what you would have done differently than I did because this isn't making sense to me. Do you think that Ace is trying to convince his own scum buddy to do something? At first glance it looks good for stutters cause ace is being inquisitive with him and I see that as unlikely between sbuddies, but what matters more is the answer: Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 07:32 Stutters695 wrote:On June 10 2013 05:57 Ace wrote:On June 10 2013 05:49 Stutters695 wrote:
Sure, shoot. LXI you were the serial poisoner who was playing so town you got caught because you kept getting defensively RBd. Aww I'll take that as a compliment. Although I'd like you to point what is so un-Town like about me this game. So here's my question. Imagine you get cop night 1 this game. Your top scum read comes back with a red check. You are under no pressure of getting lynched. Would you claim? In essence tell me what you would have done differently than I did because this isn't making sense to me. I'll give you what I see non-town tomorrow during the day, too busy right now to quote/explain my concerns. I would have done the same thing if I was town. However if I was scum and rolled cop n1 I would also probably do the same thing and fake the check then talk my way out of the mislynch. I'll talk more about it later, gotta go though. That he doesn't deliver town points doesn't really matter, he could also have been lazy and ace was dead anyway. The answer regarding ace's "what if" however is in contrast to an earlier statement: Show nested quote +On June 08 2013 08:43 Stutters695 wrote:
Well it's one of my main points in favoring an oats lynch.
That and the fact that scum Ace should be wise enough to realize that a 2-1 trade isn't in scums favor when we still haven't mislynched. I really can't read oats though and that worries me. Stutters gave ace leeway cause he said he wouldn't pull that stunt as scum, but afterwards, when ace was doomed, he said he could also see it coming from scum.
Going to be a couple posts on this so I can quote everything of relevance to vivax.
First is this lovely post. Vivax is painting my stance on the Ace/Oats situation as I was indecisive on it, which simply isn't true. Before we lynched Oats I expressed that Ace was more believable to me but was very clear that if Oats flipped town that Ace had to die. It was a poor play for Ace to sacrifice himself as a strong scum player(from my understanding) to get oats lynched. A super town Marv I could understand making that trade for but not Oats.
He is also trying to use my conversation with Ace as a misrepresentation. In the context of the conversation I was saying I would do that as scum to point out how his question to me was a null tell and although town would obviously claim as the cop there, that wasn't a point towards him being town.
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Also seriously. You really all need to be on Vivax. There is a reason for this.
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On June 15 2013 02:51 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2013 02:34 Stutters695 wrote:
Lynch vivax first. If he flips scum we know his claim is worthless and sent is probably scum. If he's town then we're looking at the odds of him getting gf compared to just scummy town play. Which means that even after I flip town you have an out to still lynch Sentinel, hence your reasoning for lynching me is flimsy since it doesn't solve a damn thing. Instead of doing analysis you prefer to give reasoning that doesn't lead anywhere. You never gave any reasons for voting for me. That no one picks up on that is outrageous. I asked you to deliver any reason at the start of the day and you did nothing. All you are doing is following thread sentiment.
I did give a reason for voting you. I liked Vaynes vote since you weren't just saying it so I figured a pressure vote would get you to say it(as I was typing you obviously revealed it, but it wasn't worth removing the vote when there was plenty of time in the day).
What made me decide to keep the vote as a serious one was your reaction to my vote and Vaynes analysis. You reacted by pushing me as a suspect on a meta argument when I HAVE NEVER PLAYED SCUM.
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On June 15 2013 07:20 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 15 2013 07:06 Stutters695 wrote:On June 15 2013 00:46 Vivax wrote:On June 15 2013 00:32 kitaman27 wrote:At the same time, we have this interaction from Ace: On June 10 2013 05:39 Ace wrote:
Stutters if you're still around I've got a question for you On June 10 2013 05:57 Ace wrote:On June 10 2013 05:49 Stutters695 wrote:
Sure, shoot. LXI you were the serial poisoner who was playing so town you got caught because you kept getting defensively RBd. Aww I'll take that as a compliment. Although I'd like you to point what is so un-Town like about me this game. So here's my question. Imagine you get cop night 1 this game. Your top scum read comes back with a red check. You are under no pressure of getting lynched. Would you claim? In essence tell me what you would have done differently than I did because this isn't making sense to me. Do you think that Ace is trying to convince his own scum buddy to do something? At first glance it looks good for stutters cause ace is being inquisitive with him and I see that as unlikely between sbuddies, but what matters more is the answer: On June 10 2013 07:32 Stutters695 wrote:On June 10 2013 05:57 Ace wrote:On June 10 2013 05:49 Stutters695 wrote:
Sure, shoot. LXI you were the serial poisoner who was playing so town you got caught because you kept getting defensively RBd. Aww I'll take that as a compliment. Although I'd like you to point what is so un-Town like about me this game. So here's my question. Imagine you get cop night 1 this game. Your top scum read comes back with a red check. You are under no pressure of getting lynched. Would you claim? In essence tell me what you would have done differently than I did because this isn't making sense to me. I'll give you what I see non-town tomorrow during the day, too busy right now to quote/explain my concerns. I would have done the same thing if I was town. However if I was scum and rolled cop n1 I would also probably do the same thing and fake the check then talk my way out of the mislynch. I'll talk more about it later, gotta go though. That he doesn't deliver town points doesn't really matter, he could also have been lazy and ace was dead anyway. The answer regarding ace's "what if" however is in contrast to an earlier statement: On June 08 2013 08:43 Stutters695 wrote:
Well it's one of my main points in favoring an oats lynch.
That and the fact that scum Ace should be wise enough to realize that a 2-1 trade isn't in scums favor when we still haven't mislynched. I really can't read oats though and that worries me. Stutters gave ace leeway cause he said he wouldn't pull that stunt as scum, but afterwards, when ace was doomed, he said he could also see it coming from scum. Going to be a couple posts on this so I can quote everything of relevance to vivax. First is this lovely post. Vivax is painting my stance on the Ace/Oats situation as I was indecisive on it, which simply isn't true. Before we lynched Oats I expressed that Ace was more believable to me but was very clear that if Oats flipped town that Ace had to die. It was a poor play for Ace to sacrifice himself as a strong scum player(from my understanding) to get oats lynched. A super town Marv I could understand making that trade for but not Oats.He is also trying to use my conversation with Ace as a misrepresentation. In the context of the conversation I was saying I would do that as scum to point out how his question to me was a null tell and although town would obviously claim as the cop there, that wasn't a point towards him being town. Alright, let me understand this. You meant to say that you didn't see ace being scum cause it would have been poor play for him to trade himself for Oats. But once Oats flipped, you said you would have done the same in his position as scum, but also as town with a legit dt check. I still see the same inconsistency I addressed cause you used two different justifications pre- and post-flip. I mean, preflip you argued with the unlikelyhood of ace doing that to lynch oats, post-flip you argued that you'd have done it as scum. You've still missed to point out why you found Rayn scummy but didn't follow up with anything until he was up for lynch. It's more of a fact but if you have thoughts to offer about that time then maybe it'll tell us more about your mindset back then. Aaaand finally you still didn't give reasons for me being scum since you've joined my wagon for no reason at the start of the day.
I would have done it as scum. I'm not Ace. I probably could have gotten out of it if it was me in Ace's position because I am not known for making great plays and as such people would probably give me the benefit of the doubt. You're also neglecting how huge of a difference pre-flip and post-flip makes.
Pre-flip I'm operating under the assumption that one of them is lying. If you take it from a pure numbers standpoint for scum to win each member must be worth 3 deaths from the start. After Rayn dies d1, each scum has to be worth 4 or offer something else of value to ensure the remaining scum will survive. Best case for Ace was Oats+2, Ace+2 for oats. Ace as an analyst is significantly more valuable if he's town and if he's not he's giving up a kp(incredibly valuable) and still is dead before he's made his value back. Couple that with my relatively high level of respect for his play and it's pretty easy to see why I thought he was truthful over oats, not that he was for sure truthful
Now post flip I know oats was telling the truth. This changes things. Odds are significantly against oats being Miller so I'm trying to divine if Ace was lying. He tries to say he's town so of course he did this. But I know now oats was truthful, so I'm trying to figure out if ace is. I figure if I would consider it as scum, Ace might and thus his I'm town so I had to is a null tell.
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I'll address the rest after the flip, won't have time to type more now
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As far as Rayn goes, I was pretty indifferent to it. It seemed like a reasonable lurker lynch and I had stuff going on that day. Thus I dropped my vote in case I couldn't get back and avoid a modkill.
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So can we please lynch Vivax tomorrow?
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Where is everyone. We just lynched a townie and everyone is silent
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Was waiting for the people ahead of me in that order but I can claim if you'd like.
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Well my claim has nothing to do with the cop so that doesn't matter.
I was the medic and attempted to save mkfuba. Unfortunately I was role blocked which means either scum hit the vet or held the hit, which I really doubt.
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Well I'm gonna go get drunk, if anyone has any questions for me shoot
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He's legit without internet so don't bank on him too much. We're more than capable of figuring out this game. I would like to ask whoever role blocked me to explain why.
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I'm awake. Sorry I wasn't here yesterday, spent the day with my girlfriend's father.
Anyway I attempted to medic Fuba for two main reasons. 1) Kita was such an obvious save that I figured scum would avoid him after two night phases ago when it seems Kita was pretty likely to have been hit.
2) so after deciding that I wouldn't save Kita, it came down to layabout, Fuba or WoS by virtue of them being town enough that they aren't going to get lynched but not obvious enough of a save that scum would think it would go through. I based this off of their previous kills. Then I just gut picked Fuba because he's who I would shoot in that position as scum.
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Yeah lol, forgot not everyone is US based. Yesterday was father's day in the US so we went over there and grilled with him.
Kita I'll get to your questions once I slow down at work. Little too busy atm for in depth posting.
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I'm typing something up but just so I don't forget ##vote: prplhz
And for the record Vayne, I claimed before Fuba.
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To be honest I was typing up a post about how I think you were a good chance of scum depending on how prp turns out. I don't get your Prpl case. Like the points make sense but something feels off. First your case is very similar to jays case that you really aren't contributing anything with it except the part on me. And that is really next to nothing (excluding the fact I know I'm town). Feels sort of like you feel guilty by not justifying your vote.
You took one post out of context of the entire back and forth I had with Prpl d1 and didn't show any scum motivation except that I'd be getting town cred from him. That would be a really poor play on my end when busing Rayn would have made significantly more sense without putting myself under unnecessary scrutiny when I could easily avoid it.
I don't think you're scum because I think Prp is scum and I think Jay is more likely than you, but if Prp somehow flips town and Jay is scum I'll be looking into you pretty heavily
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Sorry guys I'm out drinking. I'll be here tomorrow before the post.
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Care to explain what makes me scum that I've done as opposed to stuff completely beyond my control? What happens when I flip town?
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