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prp:
OK PRP time.
Reading through his filter, I find that I read that its townie. Ok.
Prp is town.
Why?
Generally because he brought up Rayn as a lynch target earlier, and although he switched off of rayn, he explained it in a townlike way that was similar to what I thought.
Whoop.
Sent:
His vote on WoS with this explanation:
On June 05 2013 11:03 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:I had problems with his lurker policy lynching (goes against my best interests, I lurk with pride) as well as asking people whether his play was scummy or not. His reply was this: Show nested quote +Town motivation was literally asking questions of people to try and divine their alignment. Knowing how both JJD and Vayne played scum last game, I was curious if their answers towards my questions would help me figure out anything about the way they would be playing this game. If you choose to ignore this point then that's your prerogative. As far as new things brought, I brought plenty of new things to the table, including the suspicion and discussion towards me. Any discussion is good discussion on D1 even if the subject is somewhat misguided; it will allow people to get reads of me, with which I am fine. I consider my own townplay perfectly good and accomplishing exactly what I have set out to do, whilst being completely transparent in my thought processes in the meantime.
Basically he's saying that by accusing him it stirs up discussion. But why? If attention is on him, as town it's crappy play because it distracts others from finding scum, and as scum he can WIFOM his way to finding a different lynch target.
I don't think perfectly good townplay involves painting yourself red to see who comes out of the woodwork.
See, his first point about lurker lynching is totally null.
Second point which I bolded.
WoS is saying that through his play, he has drawn flak and votes and controversy, like accidentally or at the very least, not intentioonally. Sent is saying that WoS INTENTIONALLY does this. The thing is, the correct conclusion to draw from Sent's analysis, is that WoS is town. It makes zero sense for mafia to come out early day 1 and get a wagon started on himself, when its very possible that it continues to lynch. And even if it doesnt, you arent really in a strong position going into day 2 either.
So bad conclusions and bad vote. Like objectively bad. Sent is not bad.
And then he votes for me and NEVER EXPLAINS in the slightest. At all. In a time where I was drawing some fire for my Ace push. after that, Rayn looks like he is gonna die, oh no better switch votes without looking scummy, so he explains his non voting beforehand. Why does he need to explain that if he says later that he is 'sure' that Rayn is gonna flip scum? Why is he thinking about survival and not lynching scum?
Layabout:
First off, a vote for Jay cause he 'dislikes' his attitude, and not cause he thinks in any remote way that his attitude makes him scum. So scummy from the get go.
I don't see anybody that looks worse.
This quote is golden. You know who cares about appearances? Scum. Town dont, town wanna lynch scum. But could just be word choice, I personally dont think so.
On June 05 2013 21:04 layabout wrote:
Currently the most active player in this dead game is set to be lynched. This is not good. Not good at all.
This is the only thing he says about the WoS lynch, or the game at all outside Jay until rayn asks him. I dont think that rayn asking him a somewhat softball question which layabout responds with his longest post so far.
On June 05 2013 21:51 layabout wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 21:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Layabout you want to lynch jay for his attitude? Is there anything else? Do you think the most active player atm (WoS) cannot be mafia? The point is to lynch scum, not people you dont like.
What do you think of what i brought up against WoS?
Also what do you think about Ace/zeph atm? jay has gone from empty posts to omgus. That isn't how i would expect a town play to play, especially when the pressure jay was under was so low. He should not be so worried about 2 votes and the everyone that votes for me is scum argument is crappy. WaveOfShadow In every game i can recall the hypersupermegaactive players are always town, even in games where somebody like bh is scum and posts a ton the most active players are still town. If scum is the most active player in the thread and they aren't just spamming then then don't deserve to get lynched. Our problem right now is that the activity levels are too low, killing active players only makes this worse. And since the activity has been low since the start WoS is correct to be concerned about it so i see no harm in him say he might want to lynch a lurker. If there is anything scummy about it it's that he tentatively puts the idea forward possibly because he is worried about people jumping on him for LaL. Lynching Ace is okay since he hasn't done anything, but his posts have reflected my own feeling about the game and there are other who have also done nothing. He hasn't done anything to make me want to keep him alive but at the same time i see no reason to choose ace specifically. I think zephird's push is bad but it is not inherently scummy, his response to pressure was townlike and towards the beginning he was trying to get the thread moving in the right direction which was quite needed.
This post, Jay is the only one he wants to lynch right? But he doesnt seem intent to asking people to vote for him, or to get him lynched at all. It feels like jay is the convenient target that no one thinks layabout is suspicious for having. It does not feel like Layabout wants to get jay lynched.
BUTTTTTT
The current redeeming thing in his favor, is that he thinks Sent scumslipped and is pushing Sent hard.
If Sent flips town, I will look back at layabout.
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JJD,
I already posted responses to your case.
COME ON DUDE.
Respond to those please.
Read my filter. Look at my effort compared to Ace's effort.
Stop fucking caring that its unlikely that scum got cop.
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On June 08 2013 00:30 prplhz wrote:
oats i want to believe but your push on ace was horrible and i have no idea why you'd go "lets not lynch scum ace. oh they lose kp? well then lets lynch scum ace."
I wasnt sure at that point.
Im surer now.
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On June 08 2013 00:33 prplhz wrote:
you played in ego when ace was lynched d2 for being completely useless, now you decide out of the blue to mindlessly tunnel him on d1 when there were other people around who weren't doing much either? why not rain/lay/sloosh?
I was scum in ego.
Does he feel the same way for you here?
sloosh did plenty of stuff just a bit after I started to hard push Ace.
Layabout was semi active
Rayn was not here.
You see, I read through the thread and thought, who is supposed to have thread presence that doesnt. ACE is the correct answer.
TUNNELLLL
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On June 08 2013 00:43 layabout wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2013 23:58 kitaman27 wrote:On June 06 2013 10:10 layabout wrote:
jarjar, vayne and sent look bad but i will go over all that stuff tomorrow Do you still plan to go over jarjar and vayne or have you changed your mind? Also, Vivax has been very forgettable, does anyone have a strong opinion on him? I did until i got into my promotion series. Vivax said he wouldn't post a lot but on day1 his posting was focused on the right things, not all that suspicious.
At the moment i am trying to work out what to do about the red check since even though the odd's are in our favour we could have ace and oats both town which would screw us particularly since role-based lynching kills activity. If oats dies and flips town we will lynch Ace tomorrow but it's not a sure lynch.
dude what are you saying here
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Im pretty sure I flip vanilla town.
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Cause its not the night anymore.
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On June 08 2013 01:03 Stutters695 wrote:
Also oats you kept throwing my name around as part of a scum team with Ace, Rayne and then a random fourth. While I wasn't here you seemed to have stopped, why is that?
cause it was for funzies
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Vivax, what zeph said doesnt mean anything. He didnt provide a conclusion. You wanna provide a conclusion?
As for who to choose today, Ace was in no danger of getting lynched any time soon, and Oats seems like a likely target for a check for his strange D1 tunnel on Ace. I've never played against scum-Ace, but I doubt he would be so stupid to throw away his life with a fake check, hoping that town believes Oats was miller last night.
Oats is now clearly putting up a fight and also delivering reads on other people now that he's at danger of getting lynched, that's only logic cause scum has to defend themselves since they lost Rayn or they will lose valuable KP after that awful start.
Ok. Current Premise im operating under until Ace returns. He knew that if he were to just normally afk, HE WOULD GET LYNCHED, No doubt. 0. People were already turning to the idea of lynching Ace. So he busts out fake cop check to make sure I get lynched(Most fucking vocal person in the thread) And he doesnt die today.
Also when he gets me lynched. Oh miller, sorry guys.
ITS NOT A 1 for 1, and you guys need to stop thinking that way.
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On June 08 2013 01:32 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2013 01:28 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 08 2013 01:03 Stutters695 wrote:
Also oats you kept throwing my name around as part of a scum team with Ace, Rayne and then a random fourth. While I wasn't here you seemed to have stopped, why is that? cause it was for funzies For the record, it's this kind of shit that makes me have such a hard time analyzng Oats. He played this trolly, useless, at times tunnely style in Carnival Cruise and was town. Oats is definitely going to take me the longest.
No its not that sentence, its the fact that I like saying bullshit reads to irritate people.
Thats what makes it hard. Just go from the fact that You dont lynch the most vocal person in the thread, And lynch ACE INSTEAD.
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Vivax posted stuff about Sent. Interesting.
Lets analyse that.
If he is scum, he knows that he wasted his time. Is it worth it. Currently I dont feel that scum wouldve thought of the crazy scenario to call someone town.
So to answer your question kita, Im town on Vivax.
If Sent flips scum, reads change.
So interesting. For me, 2 people link on Sent.
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Kita, some people were warming up to the idea
Kita posted this just before deadline
On June 07 2013 07:59 kitaman27 wrote:I didn't have as much time as I had hoped to finish this post since I thought the deadline was an hour later, but I want to post it in case I get shot. My top two scum suspects are Ace and Sent currently. Everyone should role claim (I'm vanilla) Punish players if they offer bad alignment cop/medic/roleblocker selections. Ace had a poor showing day one, not bringing anything of value to the table. He was late to the rayn lynch and even tried to spook people away from the lynch in the final hours. What concerns me the most is that Ace wasn't applying his own views of rayn, he is characterizing whether or not the lynch is legitimate based on the collective reasoning. Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 05:32 Ace wrote:
highlighted in bold. I think it is the main reason people are voting rayne. It's a pretty solid line of reasoning. With this post, Ace establishes that there is a legitimate reason to vote rayn. Later on, he establishes the case from fuba as the argument that convinced him that rayn is scum. Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 05:32 Ace wrote:
If people are voting for him based on inactivity and not this case then yea we might be mislynching the guy. Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 07:11 Ace wrote:
For the remaining people voting for rayne do you believe he is really just inactive or just Scum? Show nested quote +On June 06 2013 12:03 Ace wrote:
I only attempted to switch off when we established rayne might be an inactivity lynch. After an analysis of the votes, however Ace decides that rayn is a poor lynch. Why do the statements that Ace described as a solid line of reasoning no longer apply? If people are voting rayn for the wrong reasons, shouldn't he be convincing people to vote rayn for the right reasons, instead of trying to redirect the lynch? Even if Ace concluded that rayn was an inactivity lynch, concluding that it was a mislynch is a jump that is never adequately explained. An inactivity lynch can be valid if there is supporting evidence that the player is scum in the limited amount of posts they have. Ace never discusses rayn's posts, which should be the deciding factor when determining if the inactivity lynch is a mafia lynch or mislynch. From the previous game, where I was a scum buddy with rayn, I noticed that on day one, he put effort into scum to scum interaction, sending me a couple of softballs, that weren't really prompted. I wouldn't put much value into this observation, but I think his interaction with Ace and layabout most closely reflect this type of interaction.
Remember this?
So people were gearing up to lynch Ace, Ace thought this nails him, he fakeclaims redcheck on me, we end up here.
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On June 08 2013 01:49 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2013 01:45 JarJarDrinks wrote:On June 08 2013 01:33 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ok. Current Premise im operating under until Ace returns. He knew that if he were to just normally afk, HE WOULD GET LYNCHED, No doubt. 0. People were already turning to the idea of lynching Ace. So he busts out fake cop check to make sure I get lynched(Most fucking vocal person in the thread) And he doesnt die today.
Also when he gets me lynched. Oh miller, sorry guys.
ITS NOT A 1 for 1, and you guys need to stop thinking that way. Can you show me where you're getting this from? Serious question because I really never felt that anyone aside from you were considering lynching Ace. I do remember other people warming up to the idea a little, me being one of them, that being said, Ace isn't the kind of person to freak out and fakeclaim because he's worried about being lynched that early. (That's something I'd do lolololol)
The thing is.
Fakeclaiming in this setup isnt risky.
LOL MILLER OOPS.
Yeah.
yeah.
I think its a perfectly legit mafia strat.
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On June 08 2013 01:57 Stutters695 wrote:
I'm aware it's not a 1 for 1. If you end up being town it costs us 2 deaths. I think you're more likely to flip scum than Ace though currently.
Read Kita's case and sheep it please.
Why am I scum day 2 though? Explain.
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Kita, thoughts on huge post a few pages back where I say reads that arent Ace?
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On June 08 2013 02:13 VayneAuthority wrote:
Uh I went through and read oats other scum games and he does pretty much the same thing as this game, in ego he even tries to get Ace lynched there too
he asks people for their thoughts on a lot on his posts and spams questions. I hate using meta but I didn't really know what else to go off of.
##vote:oatsmaster
except I do this in my town games too.
at least read both sides. Read bastard mafia
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On June 08 2013 02:21 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2013 02:06 Oatsmaster wrote:
Kita, thoughts on huge post a few pages back where I say reads that arent Ace? You deserve a sticker.
can you use your considerable influence to change the tide of this lynch?
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On June 08 2013 02:28 Stutters695 wrote:
You can't seriously expect a bastard game to be used to justify your play.
most recent town game dude.
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On June 08 2013 02:34 kitaman27 wrote:
By the way Oats, have you drawn any conclusions based on how anyone has reacted to the claim? Do you find it more scummy for a player to side with Ace in the majority or you in the minority?
I think if I were scum, I would side with Ace.
Because its not scummy, I have perfect reasoning which is cop check right?
However.
Everyone who has voted for me to be lynched, would you do this small favor of explaining why, without referring to the Cop check.
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