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Ohai guise. I back.
Random thought before I begin hardcore diving for the day.
What if scum got cop (not necessarily Ace, but whatev), checked town Oats for whatever reason, and just happened to get miller back?
This sets up a really good situation for them where a risky claim might lead to a miller lynch and a near town confirmation for a scum.
Unlikely I know, but it might explain why Ace would attempt the trade....because if the above is true there would be no trade.
Make of that what you will. Time to filter dive.
#Wave'sconspiracytheories
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On June 08 2013 00:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
Cause its not the night anymore.
Oh hmm that's true, powers only exist at night.
k ignore me. Back to filters.
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On June 08 2013 01:28 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2013 01:03 Stutters695 wrote:
Also oats you kept throwing my name around as part of a scum team with Ace, Rayne and then a random fourth. While I wasn't here you seemed to have stopped, why is that? cause it was for funzies
For the record, it's this kind of shit that makes me have such a hard time analyzng Oats.
He played this trolly, useless, at times tunnely style in Carnival Cruise and was town.
Oats is definitely going to take me the longest.
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On June 08 2013 01:34 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2013 01:32 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 08 2013 01:28 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 08 2013 01:03 Stutters695 wrote:
Also oats you kept throwing my name around as part of a scum team with Ace, Rayne and then a random fourth. While I wasn't here you seemed to have stopped, why is that? cause it was for funzies For the record, it's this kind of shit that makes me have such a hard time analyzng Oats. He played this trolly, useless, at times tunnely style in Carnival Cruise and was town. Oats is definitely going to take me the longest. No its not that sentence, its the fact that I like saying bullshit reads to irritate people. Thats what makes it hard. Just go from the fact that You dont lynch the most vocal person in the thread, And lynch ACE INSTEAD.
Vocal doesn't mean shit if it's useless and trolly.
Now silence. I'm reading.
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On June 08 2013 01:45 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2013 01:33 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ok. Current Premise im operating under until Ace returns. He knew that if he were to just normally afk, HE WOULD GET LYNCHED, No doubt. 0. People were already turning to the idea of lynching Ace. So he busts out fake cop check to make sure I get lynched(Most fucking vocal person in the thread) And he doesnt die today.
Also when he gets me lynched. Oh miller, sorry guys.
ITS NOT A 1 for 1, and you guys need to stop thinking that way. Can you show me where you're getting this from? Serious question because I really never felt that anyone aside from you were considering lynching Ace.
I do remember other people warming up to the idea a little, me being one of them, that being said, Ace isn't the kind of person to freak out and fakeclaim because he's worried about being lynched that early.
(That's something I'd do lolololol)
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He found it scummy that people would think of lynching outside of the two of them, apparently.
That would include me, and layabout, I think.
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Alright going to start posting results of my diving.
Sentinel
Leaning town on him. At the very least do not want to lynch today.
It seems almost as though he knows a lot about what's going to happen before it does (ie Rayn flip, these quotes
Mafia wouldn't kill him just because he's a vet. There's actual townies to shoot. What the hell kind of reasoning is this.
I was certain by that point that he was red. Just a matter of voting for him or not.
I'm looking to chalk this up to bad phrasing much of the time. Including his two scumslips.
His switch to Ace seems like a genuine flip and offers good reasoning. I think Vivax is overthinking it in his post tbh. To me it just looks like Sent is constantly changing and re-evaluating his reads based on various tidbits of info.
There's also the fact that once again I find it unlikely that two scum would jump on my wagon in quick succession one after the other. Yes, they could be playing independently but having played scum finally, I think I have an idea of the mindset and it just doesn't seem likely.
The one thing that worries me is his..I dunno call it 'style, or attitude?' It's the kind of thing that reminds me of my early play, but whenever I've made a townread based on that I've been burned by it (Clarity and GiygaS in LXI). One example is his worry about being framed (not mafia role-framed, but framed into looking like mafia. This is something I always worry about, and it often happens to me as town) which I think may be legit considering Sloosh pointed him out and was killed promptly.
In the end, yeah, townread. I'm curious as to his interaction with Oats and Rayn as they seemed really odd to me, but Sent did no defending of Rayn and has stuck with Oats throughout most of the game.
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Vayne
Null-leaning scum. I'm not sure I can push a lynch through today, doubt it's even a good idea to do so.Getting this stuff out there nonetheless.
On June 08 2013 02:13 VayneAuthority wrote:
Uh I went through and read oats other scum games and he does pretty much the same thing as this game, in ego he even tries to get Ace lynched there too
he asks people for their thoughts on a lot on his posts and spams questions. I hate using meta but I didn't really know what else to go off of.
##vote:oatsmaster
This coming from a guy who says
On June 05 2013 01:29 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2013 23:38 WaveofShadow wrote:
I may advocate a lurker lynch today. I am aware that people (ie Vivax) have stated their activity may be low but everybody can't be excused. I would not be surprised in the least if 1 or 2 scum are hiding thus far since there has been essentially no reason to post yet. Activity is shit so far and there is nothing useful to talk about yet; as far as I can tell people who have planted their votes have done so with mostly minimal reasoning and if the intent was to generate discussion, well it hasn't really.
Sorry to be a downer but I both love and hate D1 and this game has me leaning towards the hate side, strongly.
Sloosh, is your lurking indicative of you being scum, ie Carnival Cruise?
Rayn, where you at?
JJD having just played scum with me, if you had to evaluate my play thus far, what would you think?
Vayne you can answer as well. Don't really care for meta, guess you'll just have to find out once the start actually starts rolling
So, you don't really care for meta when used on you, but you're ok to use it to back up a scumread about whom you haven't offered up any other evidence other than 'gutreads,' and 'percentages?'
You set up this air every game about how people don't like your playstyle and they just have to 'deal with it.' You know town deals with it? We lynch you. Your townplay has been severely lacking in the games I've seen you play, and as I've mentioned before, you almost seem to put in more effort to look towny in your scum game. This is so backwards I don't even know what to think, because your shit play is anti-town yet looking at meta it makes you town, where your pro-town play is scum play so you can actively look towny and hide.
I've asked numerous times; besides martyring yourself (scummy), making excuses for your bad reads, offering reads with absolutely nothing to back it up, and being generally belligerent, what is it you DO as town to help us win this game?
It's like you don't give the town any option but to get rid of you and waste our time. I know I had a townread on you earlier based on the way you jumped on a dying lynch wagon (mine) but now that means you heavily defended a now-flipped scum as well. Zeph may have been right about you, and though based on our last game together I would think your scum play is better than to do what you did, maybe I'm wrong.
You get zero pro-town points from me; the only reason I'm not sure you're scum is because part of me wants to give you the benefit of the doubt that you wouldn't play this blatantly awfully as scum. If you're town, for the love of god, DO SOMETHING.
Gentlemen, keep your eyes on this one; I may yet be tempted to push this depending on how the day goes on and depending on what I find when I move onto Ace/Oats.
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Good question.
I want to hear more from fuba, and jay.
I also wouldn't mind comments on my reads thus far if people show up, though I know better than to expect it. At least at some point if I get shot maybe then people will look at my reads.
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At the very least I'd like to generate discussion about and from people outside of this Oats/Ace debacle because it is very easy for mafia to hide right now if Oats and Ace are both town (and hell, even if one if them IS scum).
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lol Sent I was about to say I have no idea why Oats thought your post was scummy but stuff like this just makes me look bad. (Or good since I guess it fits with how I've analyzed you?)
If Vayne is your #1 scumread then vote for him. We don't have to consolidate yet; if you are more sure of a Vayne redflip than an Ace redflip then why would you vote Ace and not push Vayne like crazy?
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On June 08 2013 03:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
We are lynching Ace cause he fakeclaimed a red check on me.
Dont derail this.
If you derail this, its scummy.
Dont do it
I'm not derailing shit Oats, I've outlined my plan for the day and sticking with it, along with attempting to keep up discussion at the same time.
I am not discounting you or Ace in the process. There is absolutely nothing scummy about what I am doing.
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On June 08 2013 00:05 Oatsmaster wrote:prp: Show nested quote +OK PRP time.
Reading through his filter, I find that I read that its townie. Ok.
Prp is town.
Why?
Generally because he brought up Rayn as a lynch target earlier, and although he switched off of rayn, he explained it in a townlike way that was similar to what I thought.
Whoop.
Sent:His vote on WoS with this explanation: Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 11:03 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:I had problems with his lurker policy lynching (goes against my best interests, I lurk with pride) as well as asking people whether his play was scummy or not. His reply was this: Town motivation was literally asking questions of people to try and divine their alignment. Knowing how both JJD and Vayne played scum last game, I was curious if their answers towards my questions would help me figure out anything about the way they would be playing this game. If you choose to ignore this point then that's your prerogative. As far as new things brought, I brought plenty of new things to the table, including the suspicion and discussion towards me. Any discussion is good discussion on D1 even if the subject is somewhat misguided; it will allow people to get reads of me, with which I am fine. I consider my own townplay perfectly good and accomplishing exactly what I have set out to do, whilst being completely transparent in my thought processes in the meantime.
Basically he's saying that by accusing him it stirs up discussion. But why? If attention is on him, as town it's crappy play because it distracts others from finding scum, and as scum he can WIFOM his way to finding a different lynch target.
I don't think perfectly good townplay involves painting yourself red to see who comes out of the woodwork. See, his first point about lurker lynching is totally null. Second point which I bolded. WoS is saying that through his play, he has drawn flak and votes and controversy, like accidentally or at the very least, not intentioonally. Sent is saying that WoS INTENTIONALLY does this. The thing is, the correct conclusion to draw from Sent's analysis, is that WoS is town. It makes zero sense for mafia to come out early day 1 and get a wagon started on himself, when its very possible that it continues to lynch. And even if it doesnt, you arent really in a strong position going into day 2 either. So bad conclusions and bad vote. Like objectively bad. Sent is not bad. And then he votes for me and NEVER EXPLAINS in the slightest. At all. In a time where I was drawing some fire for my Ace push. after that, Rayn looks like he is gonna die, oh no better switch votes without looking scummy, so he explains his non voting beforehand. Why does he need to explain that if he says later that he is 'sure' that Rayn is gonna flip scum? Why is he thinking about survival and not lynching scum? Layabout: First off, a vote for Jay cause he 'dislikes' his attitude, and not cause he thinks in any remote way that his attitude makes him scum. So scummy from the get go. This quote is golden. You know who cares about appearances? Scum. Town dont, town wanna lynch scum. But could just be word choice, I personally dont think so. Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 21:04 layabout wrote:
Currently the most active player in this dead game is set to be lynched. This is not good. Not good at all. This is the only thing he says about the WoS lynch, or the game at all outside Jay until rayn asks him. I dont think that rayn asking him a somewhat softball question which layabout responds with his longest post so far. Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 21:51 layabout wrote:On June 05 2013 21:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Layabout you want to lynch jay for his attitude? Is there anything else? Do you think the most active player atm (WoS) cannot be mafia? The point is to lynch scum, not people you dont like.
What do you think of what i brought up against WoS?
Also what do you think about Ace/zeph atm? jay has gone from empty posts to omgus. That isn't how i would expect a town play to play, especially when the pressure jay was under was so low. He should not be so worried about 2 votes and the everyone that votes for me is scum argument is crappy. WaveOfShadow In every game i can recall the hypersupermegaactive players are always town, even in games where somebody like bh is scum and posts a ton the most active players are still town. If scum is the most active player in the thread and they aren't just spamming then then don't deserve to get lynched. Our problem right now is that the activity levels are too low, killing active players only makes this worse. And since the activity has been low since the start WoS is correct to be concerned about it so i see no harm in him say he might want to lynch a lurker. If there is anything scummy about it it's that he tentatively puts the idea forward possibly because he is worried about people jumping on him for LaL. Lynching Ace is okay since he hasn't done anything, but his posts have reflected my own feeling about the game and there are other who have also done nothing. He hasn't done anything to make me want to keep him alive but at the same time i see no reason to choose ace specifically. I think zephird's push is bad but it is not inherently scummy, his response to pressure was townlike and towards the beginning he was trying to get the thread moving in the right direction which was quite needed. This post, Jay is the only one he wants to lynch right? But he doesnt seem intent to asking people to vote for him, or to get him lynched at all. It feels like jay is the convenient target that no one thinks layabout is suspicious for having. It does not feel like Layabout wants to get jay lynched. BUTTTTTT The current redeeming thing in his favor, is that he thinks Sent scumslipped and is pushing Sent hard. If Sent flips town, I will look back at layabout.
It's funny your idea about how prp isn't scummy is exactly what made me think he is scummy. That quick change in attitude regarding Rayn looked awful, and I don't see how you can defend it.
Regarding Sent:
Again I may fall into the trap of my own early bad play here, but there is something to be said about town worrying about looking bad. If you look at my first few games I did shit like explaining why what I'm about to do looks scummy as town. Sentinel isn't new here though, right? We're assuming he knows better? I also disagree with your analysis of Sent's reasoning for finding me scummy. I semi-intentionally acted the way I did to get conversation started; I didn't know it would get people to vote for me but I've already explained that either way I found that successful. Assuming you didn't believe I was town, don't you think it's possible for me to have acted the way I did if I was scum? The wagon on me was weak and I knew it. When Sentinel accused me of being scum I answered him and explained it but I certainly wasn't thinking of it the way you were.
Regarding layabout: His thoughts have basically coincided with mine all game. I have absolutely no reason to think he is scum right now above other people.
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On June 08 2013 03:57 VayneAuthority wrote:
Im pretty much confirmed town after rayne flipped red, anyone pushing on me reminds me of goodkarma from the les mis game, except im goodkarma this game.
What?
No.
GK at least put in the effort.
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On June 08 2013 04:06 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2013 04:01 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On June 08 2013 03:57 VayneAuthority wrote:
Im pretty much confirmed town after rayne flipped red, anyone pushing on me reminds me of goodkarma from the les mis game, except im goodkarma this game. What? You were one of the few defending rayn. You were desperately trying to get fuba lynched until the very end. If you're confirmed anything it's scum. Eduardo Nbobo would be a powerful role if he lived. It would make sense to defend rayn. he was also called town for no reason by rayn
I don't honestly see the value of that.
It's WIFOM.
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On June 08 2013 04:07 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2013 04:05 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 08 2013 03:57 VayneAuthority wrote:
Im pretty much confirmed town after rayne flipped red, anyone pushing on me reminds me of goodkarma from the les mis game, except im goodkarma this game. What? No. GK at least put in the effort. You just said me putting in more effort makes me scum. Make up your mind or stop trollin' its a perfect example
You're right, but I also said it pisses me off. YOU also said you wouldn't be playing the same way this game. Maybe you've reversed your meta now.
You are dead weight right now if you're town, and I don't tolerate dead weight in my town.
Again, for somebody so proud of his play on other sites I haven't seen much of that great play here. Who do you want to lynch and how do you plan to actively assist the town in getting your primary read lynched?
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On June 08 2013 04:08 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2013 04:07 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 08 2013 04:06 Oatsmaster wrote:On June 08 2013 04:01 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On June 08 2013 03:57 VayneAuthority wrote:
Im pretty much confirmed town after rayne flipped red, anyone pushing on me reminds me of goodkarma from the les mis game, except im goodkarma this game. What? You were one of the few defending rayn. You were desperately trying to get fuba lynched until the very end. If you're confirmed anything it's scum. Eduardo Nbobo would be a powerful role if he lived. It would make sense to defend rayn. he was also called town for no reason by rayn I don't honestly see the value of that. It's WIFOM. no its not. Why give scum partner 100% town read with iffy reasons when you can just say null? Vayne wasnt even under pressure in the slightest
'Iffy reasons' could be scum-derived in that he knows Vayne is town and gave odd reasons for it because he didn't want to make it seem like he knew Vayne is town.
'Iffy reasons' could also be scum doing his best to protect a buddy.
Do you know for sure which it is?
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On June 08 2013 04:12 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2013 04:10 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 08 2013 04:07 VayneAuthority wrote:On June 08 2013 04:05 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 08 2013 03:57 VayneAuthority wrote:
Im pretty much confirmed town after rayne flipped red, anyone pushing on me reminds me of goodkarma from the les mis game, except im goodkarma this game. What? No. GK at least put in the effort. You just said me putting in more effort makes me scum. Make up your mind or stop trollin' its a perfect example You're right, but I also said it pisses me off. YOU also said you wouldn't be playing the same way this game. Maybe you've reversed your meta now. You are dead weight right now if you're town, and I don't tolerate dead weight in my town. Again, for somebody so proud of his play on other sites I haven't seen much of that great play here. Who do you want to lynch and how do you plan to actively assist the town in getting your primary read lynched? I already voted for who I want to lynch, there's no way around it. Percentages and the KP reduction is too good to pass up. Also ATE is going to get you nowhere with me so you can drop it.
I don't know what ATE is.
'Percentages and KP reduction' are not good enough when you have made no active contributions to the game this far. As I've said I may not be pushing you today but I certainly will not be dropping this entirely.
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lol you're absolutely wrong.
You remind me a lot of Geript actually.
Your play pisses me off, you make bullshit appeals to your own authority by saying things like you have a psychology background (WHICH HAS ABSOLUTELY NO MERIT HERE), and you blatantly misrepresent what I do and say.
If YOU just look through my filter you'd see that I had been calling you town up until recently.
Listen to Oats and DO SOMETHING.
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On June 08 2013 04:25 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2013 04:07 VayneAuthority wrote:On June 08 2013 04:05 WaveofShadow wrote:On June 08 2013 03:57 VayneAuthority wrote:
Im pretty much confirmed town after rayne flipped red, anyone pushing on me reminds me of goodkarma from the les mis game, except im goodkarma this game. What? No. GK at least put in the effort. You just said me putting in more effort makes me scum. Make up your mind or stop trollin' its a perfect example No, you putting in zero effort is half the reason your play is so scummy
Just so you know, that quote was in response to my meta analysis of him, in which I said he DOES put in more effort as scum than town. So while his play this game would have him playing to his town meta, he himself said he would be changing it up this game.
About to type up my Ace read.
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