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On June 06 2013 03:30 VayneAuthority wrote: Lets remember that you shot wrong as vig in carnival and call it a day. You aren't superior in any way. I'd shoot you any day for the way you play. I shot you precisely cause you didn't contribute, except for flaming Prom. | ||
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On June 06 2013 03:33 VayneAuthority wrote: And people called my gut read on prp bullshit and he was scum, nuff said So did they call my case shit when I wanted to lynch him D1. I don't recall you being one of the supporters. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + Your mom is still fat Vayne, what are the odds for you lynching Fuba is all that's there to witness his scumminess are your guts? Do you want us to spill them? | ||
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On June 06 2013 03:48 WaveofShadow wrote: Here's the thing Vayne. You don't have to write long posts that are right or wrong, but you have to do something useful if you actually care about winning this game as town. If you're scum then continue to play as you are, I guess. Vivax, if you had to lynch someone other than Rayn, who would it be? Sentinel? I'm still waiting for Sentinel to answer a bunch of questions, but I don't see much reason to lynch him yet, I would like him to answer to SlOosh's case cause it raises some valid points. If I had to lynch someone else, it would probably be Vayne, but he plays so carelessly that it gives me doubts. Rayn is probably our best bet anyway. | ||
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Oats is the cop check. We lynch him first, ez. | ||
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On June 07 2013 20:43 prplhz wrote: Why do you want to lynch someone because he is the cop check and why are you saying "first"? Who do we lynch second then? Cause the other option is that we lynch ace first. | ||
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On June 07 2013 05:23 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: prplhz - 7/10 scumpoints for his questionable defense of rayn which may or may not be motivated by meta (2 above neutral for his flip flop) vayne - 9/10 scumpoints from bringing nothing of value and defending rayn oats - 6/10 scumpoints because although his godforsaken ace push is angering me, he's using what little substance he offers to pressure me into a lynch. rayn was ignoring me (I maintain that he was setting me up). vayne looks like he's ignoring half the players in this game too (including at least one scum). oats is taking the spotlight to lead who he (mistakenly) thinks is town. he gets one scumpoint for the ace push and is otherwise a neutral (but incredibly pithy!) player. On June 07 2013 18:52 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Vayne and prplhz voted for Oats and defending Ace on little evidence despite public opinion, are we having a repeat of the rayn lynch? Can we be right twice? ##unvote ##vote: ace At first glance this post looked really scummy for the reasons he used to switch to ace, but it provides valuable information. Sentinel is basing all his reasoning on two other people being scum, while having Oats as scummy as well (I disagree with the notion but it's probably town-motivated) Now, imagine Oats is scum and Sentinel too. That doesn't really fit, right? Sentinel has been pushing Oats throughout D1, then he added Vayne and prplhz as his scumreads, and ace revealed the cop check, and Sentinel thinks "Oh well two scummers are on another scummers' wagon so ace is scum", and Oats can't be scum. What has been going on here? These are the explanations: 1: Sentinel is scum, Oats is miller and ace is cop. Sentinel lynches Ace and still can lynch Oats afterwards. (improbable) 2: Sentinel is scum, Oats is standard town and ace is scum. Sentinel busses ace over his scumread for maximum town cred cause he knows that whatever happens, ace will die after Oats. (improbable, he has been pushing Oats all the time before) 3: Sentinel is town and genuinely thinks that Oats can't be scum cause two other scum reads vote for him, discarding the possibility that they know that Oats will die sooner or later. (probable) That means that, in case of an Oats red flip, Sentinel is town. And in case of an Ace red flip, he's also town, simply cause I don't see him going for an ace bus when all he has been doing so far in the game would have allowed him to keep pushing Oats instead of ace. If Oats was miller, then the reasoning is obviously useless, but I guess we have to gamble here. _____________________________________________________________________________________________________ As for who to choose today, Ace was in no danger of getting lynched any time soon, and Oats seems like a likely target for a check for his strange D1 tunnel on Ace. I've never played against scum-Ace, but I doubt he would be so stupid to throw away his life with a fake check, hoping that town believes Oats was miller last night. Oats is now clearly putting up a fight and also delivering reads on other people now that he's at danger of getting lynched, that's only logic cause scum has to defend themselves since they lost Rayn or they will lose valuable KP after that awful start. If you still think that Oats could be town, go read what Zephir wrote about him in his analysis post before dying: Oatsmaster: I would lynch rayn today too, => I could lynch both Sent and rayn though => directly asks rayn why didnt he want to lynch ace => I wanna lynch Rayn and stutters and Ace today, => Im not feeling this rayn lynch anymore. Note: rayn's response was "Oats if Ace does post more fluff i'm certainly in killing him. There is no reason to not contribute anything." | ||
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a) He was pushing Oats all along → Unlikely scum with Oats b) He switched to Ace cause two of his scumreads voted Oats → Unlikely scum with ace (and I don't think that scum would be willing to trade cred for a NK) Unless ace and Oats are both town, Sentinel isn't scum, barring any powerplay where he plays exactly the opposite of how he should. We should keep it as simple as possible and lynch Oats, and if Oats flips town we lynch ace, if Oats was miller then we gambled and lost. On June 08 2013 06:10 layabout wrote: I feel like my reads are good right now and town is in a good spot but i'm nervous about oatsmaster since i can see him being town and i really don't want us to get screwed by a miller check. Layabout can you lay out the reasons for why you think he's town? | ||
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On June 08 2013 06:37 jaybrundage wrote: I havent read over Sent too recently but i dont like your train thought so let butt in. Let me explain it like your 5 years old. (Dont be condescending cause then people can just throw it back in your face.) Sent was pushing Oats. Unlike what you believe SCUM CAN PUSH EACH OTHER *GASP* (You're like five so you prolly didn't know that) Also here is another scenario this one is partly off what kita said. Scum sent can just make up reads and use them to change his votes. They don't have to be legitimate reads Well, you're free to try and convince me to go for Sentinel. There's always the chance that I'm wrong, and I'd rather hear your arguments for him being scum, rather than to push the improbable option that he was bussing his teammate since really early to distance himself from Oats. | ||
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On June 08 2013 22:22 layabout wrote: No i am explaining the risk for mafia fake-claiming since it's not as bad as Ace is telling us it is. I would have preferred if we had done that earlier on but that's actually a terrible idea. I think there would be more value in a check on someone else. Exactly what I thought, it'd be a waste of a check. | ||
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On June 08 2013 22:41 JarJarDrinks wrote: So you guys are both advocating that if Oats flips green, we still don't check Ace tonight right? Because if it would be a waste of a check when we lynch outside of Ace/Oats, it would be even more of a waste if we lynch a town Oats first. If Oats flips town ace gets lynched next, cop must not check ace but somebody else like Sentinel. | ||
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On June 09 2013 21:16 layabout wrote: + Does anybody even want another red check? What does this even mean? It's DEMOCRACY TIME | ||
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 Got my chemistry oral tomorrow, otherwise I don't really give a fuck about this game, until this cop business is done I don't even need to analyze jack. Byebye | ||
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I'm currently assuming that ace is scum, and since scum knew what he was about to do before D2, they could have started to set themselves up for his later lynch. Kita switching from ace to Oats wasn't really all that transparent, and he should be smart enough to know that we would not lose the cop by lynching the claimer, so I don't understand his preference there. If I had a town read on Oats, I might reconsider, but with him flopping from Sent to prpl and then considering for a moment that someone other than Ace should be lynched, I didn't see where Oats made that flip-flop, so I would like Kita to show me where he got that notion, what I mostly recall from Oats were posts like this: On June 08 2013 03:50 Oatsmaster wrote: We are lynching Ace cause he fakeclaimed a red check on me. Dont derail this. If you derail this, its scummy. Dont do it I went on to check kita's earlier posts cause his latest questions to Ace could be construed as a distancing attempt, they are not really that useful and ace doesn't have to answer them anyway. He was mostly threatening to switch his vote to ace if he didn't answer them, but Oats still had the majority, and why should you need your N1 suspect to convince you to not vote for him? I'm curious to see if kita really had such good reasons to prefer Oats over ace after he had written those points against ace during N1. | ||
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What's the point of me writing up a case against my scum buddy Ace and then having him cop claim 5 minutes later. I'd know he was cop claiming ahead of time so I'd obviously want to set myself up to side with him like everyone else. The point is exactly that it would give you massive cred. On night one he wanted to lynch sent because he was convinced he scum slipped. After the cop check, he brought up that he wanted to lynch outside of Ace/himself and lynch prpl, before it was pointed out that we could reduce the mafia kp. Can you link me to the post? I must have missed it <_< | ||
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On June 09 2013 23:39 Shakalaka wrote: <TehJob> Can I ask something of you <TehJob> But you can't post in the thread <TehJob> Answer the poll I'm going to link with "town" <TehJob> watch the consequences <TehJob> But it's a thread where only mafia players can post <TehJob> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=414632¤tpage=52#1031 No idea who or what, but probably relevant to the interests of this thread in some way. TehJob is webchat@109.112.120.16 * http://webchat.quakenet.org LOL hilarious | ||
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Are you sure it was after the claim? You asked Oats yourself why he thinks that prplhz is town, now you quote him saying he's scum. On June 07 2013 23:45 kitaman27 wrote: Could you explain why prpl is town and why sent is scum (outside of a slip?). Also, a guess regarding the 4th suspect and a case would be helpful. Thoughts about layabout? | ||
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Let's see what happens tonight. | ||
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