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On June 08 2013 20:47 Gotard wrote:I'm alive! Good job guys! And now it's time to find another scum. I agree with fferyllt. LoneMeow's filter looks suspicious. Show nested quote +On June 07 2013 19:05 LoneMeow wrote:On June 07 2013 16:34 Xzavier wrote:
Lonemeow what do you think of gotard and my case against him? Gotard's posts are extremely weird, jumping in and straight away pushing lynch on you who most seem to find the strongest town read at the moment. Even weirder that he's pushing his second best scum read instead of the best. On the other hand, this is such a suicidal move that it makes me wonder if scum would dare do something like that. Your case on him seems pretty good, but I still worry that he might be just overeager townie since as said, the move seems too suicidal for scum to dare try. I'm fine with lyching him if he doesn't provide better input, though. If you read my filter I didn't really try to lynch Xzavier on day 1. It was more like "Hey, this guy could be a scum but at the same time He's helping town so I don't really know". Ok I looked like a scum for a moment but you took my words and overreacted really heavily. At the end pressuring me gave us great results and we were able to find a scum. And about "jumping in and straight away pushing lynch" that was my first post because I only post during EU afternoons and evenings (but he couldn't know that) and I had to go through a lot of text before posting.. Show nested quote +On June 07 2013 20:59 LoneMeow wrote:On June 07 2013 19:19 Onegu wrote:
Lonemeow what is your strongest scum read at this point? I would also ask yavanna the same thing. It's not really a strong scum read at all, but right now I'd want to lynch Firere345. Doesn't say much, sheeps the current "consensus". Promises to participate more but doesn't seem to be doing so. This situation with Gotard has me worried, I can understand why people would want to lynch him but I'm having hard time convincing myself scum would dare be so brash. And changes he's mind (is he trying to save his friend Firere?). Look at the timing Firere was going down hill at this point and it was really close (after his vote Firere345 (5), Gotard (4)) Show nested quote +On June 08 2013 15:42 LoneMeow wrote:
Crap, running out of time.
Essentially, since voting is mandatory, I had to choose between Firere345 (who I mostly wanted to lynch for lurking so much and not really being very useful when he was around) and Gotard, on whom there was a relatively good case. Originally, I thought Gotard looked way too brash to be scum, but then he went on the "wasting time on me" tangent which felt scummy, discussing opinions on anyone is useful even if the target is later proven town. Main suspects right now: Skanjab1s and LoneMeow.
Why skanjab?
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On June 08 2013 20:36 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2013 10:20 Umasi wrote:
Firere dying with his vote on Gotard makes me quite a bit less sure about Gotard, since it was close enough he was probably hoping for him to be lynched instead of himself.
And by quite a bit less sure I mean a huge amount less sure, although Gotard is still scummy imo t.t Why do you think gotard is still scummy? I would like to hear this please. I get the feel of newb town not scum and with fireres vote on him makes me feel even stronger in that opinion.
I think he had to vote on me doesn't matter if i'm town or not. Not voting on me would be even more suspicious it was his last chance to stay alive.
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On June 08 2013 20:52 Gotard wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2013 20:36 Onegu wrote:On June 08 2013 10:20 Umasi wrote:
Firere dying with his vote on Gotard makes me quite a bit less sure about Gotard, since it was close enough he was probably hoping for him to be lynched instead of himself.
And by quite a bit less sure I mean a huge amount less sure, although Gotard is still scummy imo t.t Why do you think gotard is still scummy? I would like to hear this please. I get the feel of newb town not scum and with fireres vote on him makes me feel even stronger in that opinion. I think he had to vote on me doesn't matter if i'm town or not. Not voting on me would be even more suspicious it was his last chance to stay alive.
Ok that makes sense, it was his only option, that doesnt change the fact I feel you are town. And would still like to hear his response about why he still feels you are scum.
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On June 08 2013 20:50 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2013 20:47 Gotard wrote:I'm alive! Good job guys! And now it's time to find another scum. I agree with fferyllt. LoneMeow's filter looks suspicious. On June 07 2013 19:05 LoneMeow wrote:On June 07 2013 16:34 Xzavier wrote:
Lonemeow what do you think of gotard and my case against him? Gotard's posts are extremely weird, jumping in and straight away pushing lynch on you who most seem to find the strongest town read at the moment. Even weirder that he's pushing his second best scum read instead of the best. On the other hand, this is such a suicidal move that it makes me wonder if scum would dare do something like that. Your case on him seems pretty good, but I still worry that he might be just overeager townie since as said, the move seems too suicidal for scum to dare try. I'm fine with lyching him if he doesn't provide better input, though. If you read my filter I didn't really try to lynch Xzavier on day 1. It was more like "Hey, this guy could be a scum but at the same time He's helping town so I don't really know". Ok I looked like a scum for a moment but you took my words and overreacted really heavily. At the end pressuring me gave us great results and we were able to find a scum. And about "jumping in and straight away pushing lynch" that was my first post because I only post during EU afternoons and evenings (but he couldn't know that) and I had to go through a lot of text before posting.. On June 07 2013 20:59 LoneMeow wrote:On June 07 2013 19:19 Onegu wrote:
Lonemeow what is your strongest scum read at this point? I would also ask yavanna the same thing. It's not really a strong scum read at all, but right now I'd want to lynch Firere345. Doesn't say much, sheeps the current "consensus". Promises to participate more but doesn't seem to be doing so. This situation with Gotard has me worried, I can understand why people would want to lynch him but I'm having hard time convincing myself scum would dare be so brash. And changes he's mind (is he trying to save his friend Firere?). Look at the timing Firere was going down hill at this point and it was really close (after his vote Firere345 (5), Gotard (4)) On June 08 2013 15:42 LoneMeow wrote:
Crap, running out of time.
Essentially, since voting is mandatory, I had to choose between Firere345 (who I mostly wanted to lynch for lurking so much and not really being very useful when he was around) and Gotard, on whom there was a relatively good case. Originally, I thought Gotard looked way too brash to be scum, but then he went on the "wasting time on me" tangent which felt scummy, discussing opinions on anyone is useful even if the target is later proven town. Main suspects right now: Skanjab1s and LoneMeow. Why skanjab?
I will quote myself.
On June 08 2013 00:40 Gotard wrote:Skanjab1s - 40% Town. Jumping with votes like creazy sometimes without really explaining why. And then Show nested quote +On June 07 2013 22:08 Skanjab1s wrote:
He did backtrack though from his initial post, he initially said that if he had to lynch, it would be between Xzav and Umasi, but after being pressured he said that he doesn't actually want Xzav dead.
I expressed my doubts in my first post and then listed him anyway as my 2nd suspect
He was pressuring me way to much but i'm unsure because it seems like he was fine with lynching Firere. And at the same time he thinks that LoneMeow is a scum. He's posts after first day look much better.
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"He's posts" i really need edit function  .
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Gotard likes bunnies too.
Pressure isn't a bad thing Gotard.
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On June 08 2013 21:20 Skanjab1s wrote:
Gotard likes bunnies too.
Pressure isn't a bad thing Gotard.
Lol, you have it all wrong people who eat bunnies are town, those who think they are cute are scum, and those who dont like them are SK.
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I think I let my metaphor get away from me :D
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Xzavier, you said we could be friends and then you tried to save the now dead scum.
I don't know if we can be friends anymore.
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On June 08 2013 19:25 Skanjab1s wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2013 11:16 fferyllt wrote:On June 08 2013 10:20 Skanjab1s wrote:LoneMeow looks really bad now To add to Stimaddict's case: On June 07 2013 20:59 LoneMeow wrote:On June 07 2013 19:19 Onegu wrote:
Lonemeow what is your strongest scum read at this point? I would also ask yavanna the same thing. It's not really a strong scum read at all, but right now I'd want to lynch Firere345. Doesn't say much, sheeps the current "consensus". Promises to participate more but doesn't seem to be doing so. This situation with Gotard has me worried, I can understand why people would want to lynch him but I'm having hard time convincing myself scum would dare be so brash. Lightly FoS's Firere345, to try to distance himself, but suddenly, when there is a chance to save Fire, he strangely thinks that Gotard's recent posts were more scummy than townie (which is the opposite of what I thought) and declares his read on Fire "weak" (no reason was given for this change, and Firere hadn't said anything to make himself seem less suspicious): On June 08 2013 07:10 LoneMeow wrote:
Gotard's posts since the original incident make him look more scummy rather than less. And re-thinking what Firere345 actually wrote made me realize my read on him was very weak. So I think I'd rather lynch Gotard after all.
##Vote: Gotard
Basically, he does a complete 180 for little reason, when the chance that he could save Firere arose. Where was the sudden chance? What changed in the gamestate before that vote? I mean that the votes were very close, so he only needed 1 person to change vote to lynch Gotard. That is the chance.
Firere was the third vote on Gotard (excluding the early votes that were taken off). It was about 10 hours after that when LoneMeow voted Gotard.
But, it was also his first post since before Firere put down his vote, so although there's a pretty big chunk of time involved, he may not have seen the potential opportunity earlier.
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Ughhhh stupid TL changed the format for the filter links from uid to username in the middle of this game. OP will be fixed in a sec.
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Yay! thanks for fixing.
I think it's good time for LoneMeow to explain everything.
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Hey just got back, reviewing the last few pages then I'll post my thoughts.
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1. I've been saying it for a while now, but Gotard is not scum. His play didn't make sense from a mafia view and the fact that firere flipped scum basically sealed it.
2. LoneMeow looks scummy as hell. StiMaDDict and Skanjab1s do a good job analyzing his posts and I sheep their sentiment. I'd also like to add that LoneMeow wrote a couple of excuse for not posting posts.
On June 07 2013 16:25 LoneMeow wrote:
Good morning, and sorry for being a bit inactive yesterday, had a rather exciting day IRL.
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EBWOP: meant to hit preview... so take this an extension of my previous post
2. another quote from lone
On June 08 2013 15:42 LoneMeow wrote:
Crap, running out of time.
3. Since i led the lynch against firere I feel theres a strong chance I will die tonight so I want to give some advice for D2 if I dont make it.
If you are roleblocked, please tell us (though since mafia roleblocker is dead this is less of a worry). If you were mason talked to tonight it may be beneficial to post the conversation for everyone to see, its up to you. If there is a doctor, save the person you think is the towniest. Investigators... lonemeow is a good target and Xzavier is as well i think.
I'll be on and off all day today getting more thoughts out. Also good job again everyone on finding the scum.
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Few more observations:
Xzavier's quick flip at the end bothers me as I thought him town up to that point. Before the vote Xzavier had a lot of analysis on why Gotard was scum, but ignored a lot of what everyone else (me included) was saying to counter this. Not sure if this was scum driven or if Xzavier was just tunneling Gotard so much that he couldn't see any other view. His last post is a stark contradiction to what he has been saying prior.
On June 08 2013 16:38 Xzavier wrote:
Hno like when i try to think of gotards posts as if he were scum: its suicidal. Like how stupid do you hav to be to consistantly attack the confermed town. firere's flip also supports him being town. Is it safe to say no scum bussed firere? cuz he only got lynched by one vote? this gives us a list of people to check on.
Somebody tell me if the above is correct logic pls?
The bolded part is what is important. Here he finally accepts the logic that he was ignoring for so long. But this revelation on comes AFTER his failed lynching of Gotard. Why not listen to others before?
Just an observation could warrant an invest check
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And if you don't reply to V before his lunch break is over...
You're gonna have a bad time.
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On June 09 2013 02:46 Spicydinosaur wrote:Few more observations: Xzavier's quick flip at the end bothers me as I thought him town up to that point. Before the vote Xzavier had a lot of analysis on why Gotard was scum, but ignored a lot of what everyone else (me included) was saying to counter this. Not sure if this was scum driven or if Xzavier was just tunneling Gotard so much that he couldn't see any other view. His last post is a stark contradiction to what he has been saying prior. Show nested quote +On June 08 2013 16:38 Xzavier wrote:
Hno like when i try to think of gotards posts as if he were scum: its suicidal. Like how stupid do you hav to be to consistantly attack the confermed town. firere's flip also supports him being town. Is it safe to say no scum bussed firere? cuz he only got lynched by one vote? this gives us a list of people to check on.
Somebody tell me if the above is correct logic pls? The bolded part is what is important. Here he finally accepts the logic that he was ignoring for so long. But this revelation on comes AFTER his failed lynching of Gotard. Why not listen to others before? Just an observation could warrant an invest check
I went back to gotard and i only was on a 15 min break. i didnt have enough time to review ither cases and i didnt want to blindly sheep.
during work i realized i should stop tunneling gotard so hard. i do think hes town now.
And i think the unbolded part is important as well. Just pertaining to catching scum(big picture) instead of the gotard case.
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I was at work for the 7 hours leading up to vote deadlind. so i was having internal debates and its hard to type alot fast kn a touchscreen phone.
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EPT
