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Xzavier
Profile Joined January 2013
United States393 Posts
June 08 2013 05:39 GMT
#741
EBWOP: not really sure why i quoted myself there o.O
Mafia :D
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18085 Posts
June 08 2013 06:08 GMT
#742
On June 08 2013 09:24 StiMaDDict wrote:
I really don't want to see multi-modkill Day 1. Come on, tE_ and Yavanna. VOTE!!
I know it sounds stupid but how many mafia?

All information you need is in the OP

Also. Neener neener neener.
iVLosK!
Profile Joined December 2012
Djibouti545 Posts
June 08 2013 06:35 GMT
#743
Well done, well done. Haven't read up on the posts leading up to the flip as it is 1:30 in the morning local time and I have work in a few hours.

Those of you who were not on the correct lynch, step into my office.
Gut verloren, etwas verloren; Ehre verloren, viel verloren; Mut verloren, alles verloren.
iVLosK!
Profile Joined December 2012
Djibouti545 Posts
June 08 2013 06:41 GMT
#744
On June 08 2013 13:44 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2013 13:10 Xzavier wrote:
I also think gotard may not be scum even more now, because i feel like firere was pushing for a mislynch. Like trying to fuel the fire after it was already dying down?

anybody else get that vibe?


Yeah I got that also, but I didnt really get a gotard being scum feeling in the first place, but I had a null feel on fire also so I dont know where that leaves me. I would like lonemeow to respond some more before placing a strong read on him. I just dont like how skan just refused to give good answers to me. I still have a scum read on umasi at this point, but mybe my bandwagon thing without good reason is just off base.

Explain why you made your vote useless today by voting for someone who was never in a million years going to be lynched and failing to even try to convince others to join you.

A vote is a terrible thing to waste, Toss.
Gut verloren, etwas verloren; Ehre verloren, viel verloren; Mut verloren, alles verloren.
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
June 08 2013 06:42 GMT
#745
Crap, running out of time.

Essentially, since voting is mandatory, I had to choose between Firere345 (who I mostly wanted to lynch for lurking so much and not really being very useful when he was around) and Gotard, on whom there was a relatively good case. Originally, I thought Gotard looked way too brash to be scum, but then he went on the "wasting time on me" tangent which felt scummy, discussing opinions on anyone is useful even if the target is later proven town.
Xzavier
Profile Joined January 2013
United States393 Posts
June 08 2013 07:38 GMT
#746
Hno like when i try to think of gotards posts as if he were scum: its suicidal. Like how stupid do you hav to be to consistantly attack the confermed town. firere's flip also supports him being town. Is it safe to say no scum bussed firere? cuz he only got lynched by one vote? this gives us a list of people to check on.

Somebody tell me if the above is correct logic pls?
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fferyllt
Profile Joined April 2013
United States317 Posts
June 08 2013 08:01 GMT
#747
It's good logic IMO. gotard is way down my list of persons of concern for now.
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
June 08 2013 08:27 GMT
#748
On June 08 2013 15:41 iVLosK! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2013 13:44 Onegu wrote:
On June 08 2013 13:10 Xzavier wrote:
I also think gotard may not be scum even more now, because i feel like firere was pushing for a mislynch. Like trying to fuel the fire after it was already dying down?

anybody else get that vibe?


Yeah I got that also, but I didnt really get a gotard being scum feeling in the first place, but I had a null feel on fire also so I dont know where that leaves me. I would like lonemeow to respond some more before placing a strong read on him. I just dont like how skan just refused to give good answers to me. I still have a scum read on umasi at this point, but mybe my bandwagon thing without good reason is just off base.

Explain why you made your vote useless today by voting for someone who was never in a million years going to be lynched and failing to even try to convince others to join you.

A vote is a terrible thing to waste, Toss.


I put my vote on someone I thought was scum, why is that a bad thing. I am not the only one either. I wanted to check back in before the deadline but I slept. I dont think me voteing for someone who may or maynot be lynched is such a bad thing, I didnt have strong feelings on either of the two main canidates for myself to justify puting a vote on them.
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Skanjab1s
Profile Joined June 2013
748 Posts
June 08 2013 10:25 GMT
#749
On June 08 2013 11:16 fferyllt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2013 10:20 Skanjab1s wrote:
LoneMeow looks really bad now

To add to Stimaddict's case:

On June 07 2013 20:59 LoneMeow wrote:
On June 07 2013 19:19 Onegu wrote:
Lonemeow what is your strongest scum read at this point? I would also ask yavanna the same thing.


It's not really a strong scum read at all, but right now I'd want to lynch Firere345. Doesn't say much, sheeps the current "consensus". Promises to participate more but doesn't seem to be doing so.

This situation with Gotard has me worried, I can understand why people would want to lynch him but I'm having hard time convincing myself scum would dare be so brash.


Lightly FoS's Firere345, to try to distance himself, but suddenly, when there is a chance to save Fire, he strangely thinks that Gotard's recent posts were more scummy than townie (which is the opposite of what I thought) and declares his read on Fire "weak" (no reason was given for this change, and Firere hadn't said anything to make himself seem less suspicious):

On June 08 2013 07:10 LoneMeow wrote:
Gotard's posts since the original incident make him look more scummy rather than less. And re-thinking what Firere345 actually wrote made me realize my read on him was very weak. So I think I'd rather lynch Gotard after all.

##Vote: Gotard


Basically, he does a complete 180 for little reason, when the chance that he could save Firere arose.


Where was the sudden chance? What changed in the gamestate before that vote?

I mean that the votes were very close, so he only needed 1 person to change vote to lynch Gotard. That is the chance.

On June 08 2013 16:38 Xzavier wrote:
Hno like when i try to think of gotards posts as if he were scum: its suicidal. Like how stupid do you hav to be to consistantly attack the confermed town. firere's flip also supports him being town. Is it safe to say no scum bussed firere? cuz he only got lynched by one vote? this gives us a list of people to check on.

Somebody tell me if the above is correct logic pls?


You aren't confirmed town

On June 08 2013 13:44 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2013 13:10 Xzavier wrote:
I also think gotard may not be scum even more now, because i feel like firere was pushing for a mislynch. Like trying to fuel the fire after it was already dying down?

anybody else get that vibe?


Yeah I got that also, but I didnt really get a gotard being scum feeling in the first place, but I had a null feel on fire also so I dont know where that leaves me. I would like lonemeow to respond some more before placing a strong read on him. I just dont like how skan just refused to give good answers to me. I still have a scum read on umasi at this point, but mybe my bandwagon thing without good reason is just off base.


Geez, for the last time, you were accusing me of something that isn't a scumtell. Thats like me saying "Hey, do you like bunnies? Then you're scum!" Its silly.


Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
June 08 2013 10:30 GMT
#750
I dont have a problem with you swiching votes but not giving good reasons for doing so. But you voteing for fire does leave me a little confused. Maybe I am off base but I want justification for actions. Not just telling me its a playstyle and expect me to be ok with it.
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Skanjab1s
Profile Joined June 2013
748 Posts
June 08 2013 10:36 GMT
#751
Do you like bunnies?
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
June 08 2013 10:39 GMT
#752
Tasty
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Skanjab1s
Profile Joined June 2013
748 Posts
June 08 2013 10:41 GMT
#753
Scum^^!

Onegu, most of my initial votes are pressure votes, after someone had said something that I thought could be scum indicative, and I use them to pressure people so that I can get better reads on them. If I had to announce that they are pressure votes, then it defeats the entire purpose.
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
June 08 2013 11:17 GMT
#754
On June 06 2013 13:11 Umasi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2013 13:05 iVLosK! wrote:
On June 06 2013 12:57 Umasi wrote:
##VOTE iVLosK!

Why are you asking to be voted upon this early?
I think that what you're doing is antagonistic. I think that, if you were townie, you'd voice concern about these weak FOS's, try to correct them, and develop reads on us based on that. You didn't correct them....You're asking for votes on you.
That's confusing, and not wise no matter the case.
You wouldn't be poking the fire if you were town, and scum wants to poke the fire. Or at least, you wouldn't have motivation to poke the fire as town, but you would as scum.
If mafia want to sow confusion, why are you doing something I think is scum-like, if you are town?
Since I feel confused, I'm feeling even more of a scum read on you, so my vote rests.

First underline: Ask that other guy from OMGUS who my vote is on. I give literally zero fucks about your FOS's. In my original post where I "excused myself for future scumminess" or whatever, I was simply stating that I'll do what I want regardless of what you think is scummy. If I don't want to vote for a lurker, I won't. And if I feel like voting for a lurker, bet your fine ass that I will. Regardless of what I've said in the past.

Second underline: Maybe you should adjust what you think is "scum-like." I would suggest it, actually. If you and I are going to be friends. I would like to be friends.

Also "since I feel confused, you are therefore scum." is literally the dumbest thing that I have ever heard in my life. And I actually laughed quietly to myself upon reading it.

First of all, thanks for saying something other than brofists as a response.
Second, your second underline: I'll make this clear.
Scum want to sow confusion and get emotional. I think brofists is an emotional term. Scum want to sow confusion, and you did not do something to figure things out, you, as I said, "poked the fire". Don't try to say that's not what scum want to do, that's the entire POINT of what scum wants to do. I'm not sure you're scum, but I think you've a better chance of flipping scum than anyone else here at this point.

And I still think you were trying to excuse yourself for future scumminess, which I dislike.


Ok this is the first thimg he tells us emotion is scum the procedes to make more confuseing post and get more and more invested in his posts, but even after all of this for a long time and people call him on it he just drops it.

Sorry im on a tab and cannot figure out how to quote multiple things I am going to do it in multiple posts.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
June 08 2013 11:20 GMT
#755
On June 06 2013 15:28 Umasi wrote:
I'll operate under the assumption that you're town, because everyone else thinks so, and it seems like more will get done this way.
oh, and before you poke fun at me for pulling off of you, let me offer this preemptive rebuttal (see the irony?)
shut up and stop using stupid wordplay. fun as it is for you, it may be confusing for other people (specifically me) and that's bad.

##UNVOTE iVLosK!


The reason is just sheeping at this point in time. No reasons given after going on over 10 posts making a case against iV.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
June 08 2013 11:27 GMT
#756
On June 07 2013 05:48 Umasi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 05:39 Yavanna wrote:
Fferllyt

I read what you wrote on Umasi. There’s a few things I’d add after taking a closer look at his filter

On June 07 2013 02:13 fferyllt wrote:
His first several posts have an enthusiastic and confused newb feel. As iL mentioned (I'm not writing your name out any more because I'm lazy) his trajectory on and off his first vote was confusing. It looked like a random vote, and I don't understand why he decided to remove it so quickly unless maybe it was because nobody else was voting randomly...in which case, hmm. Maybe natural town herd movement. Maybe trying to fit in.

The early vote stuck in my mind too. It looked really self-conscious. If you are voting to raise discussion, why does it get removed as soon as someone mentions it? It looks like he had no goal at all with the early vote, as pretty much no positive discussion has been generated by it. The guides said look for both town and scum motivation behind postings, and I am having trouble seeing the town motivation behind a 5 second vote.

The rest of his votes too seem like he is playing to some agenda, not earnestly trying to lynch scummy people.

This quote too raised my eyebrows:
On June 06 2013 12:33 Umasi wrote:
On June 06 2013 11:13 iVLosK! wrote:
Lynching lurkers isn't a strategy that I really like in a noobie game. What we'll find is that some people just signed up and fucked off, regardless of alignment. Or people who vastly underestimated the amount of time/effort they'd need to put in.

Having said that, I won't be nailed down and if I feel a lurker is scum I'll vote them in a second and you all will be like "Aww Vlosk said he doesn't like lynching lurkers in noob games!"


I don't like how you try to deflect any pressure that could come onto you, before it even comes onto you. There's no reason to feel that you're under suspicion at this point, and I think it points towards blue or scum. Or I'm reading into it to much.
At this point I'm leaning towards scum.

Pointing out the possibility of being blue doesn’t sit right with me. We are not blue-hunting. I’m worried that it’s on his mind and so easily popped out because he actually IS blue-hunting in the scum QT. What does everyone make of this?

There’s also a lot to be said for the benefit of the scum team in regards to getting into a shitfest. From the games I’ve read, it causes town to lose focus, and can be a tactic to misdirect town. It makes me nervous that he was so willing to dive in. He has since addressed it, but it doesn't take away from the fact that it cluttered the thread up at the time of the argument. Combined with the stuff you spoke about fferyl, and the stuff I pointed out, I’m very suspicious of Umasi.

If the day ended now, I’d be down with lynching him or Firere. I want to hear what both of them have to say to the accusations against them though, specifically the blue thing (Umasi)


I will address the blue part at the end.
I agree with you, that scum would benefit from a shitfest, which is what annoyed me the entire time. It felt like he was taking a standoffish /come at me stance, and I felt this could be scum motivated, to start a shitfest, and he was confident he would come out of it on top, so I pursued the avenue of "this guy probably is scum", because he wants me to start a shitfest.
Which I unfortunately did, but i don't think it actually messed up the thread too much, I think it made it possible for the thread to get GOING, since before that, it was just talk about lynching lurkers, which I didn't see the point in.
The entire blue thing was me addressing all possibilities, and I was led to think he was scummy based on his responses, but I wouldn't have discounted the possibility of him being blue from that line, because it's equally telling either way. But I'm not going to straight up say "you are blue, PUNK" because that's STUPID, that doesn't generate discussion, that just turns people around to say ".....so?" and then he doesn't claim because that'd be an awful idea and we're nowhere.


Scum would benifit from a shitface and you just kept going on. And the blue thing you dont really answer it and I dont see the connection between being blue and being scum. How would someones responses peg them as blue I dont understand this point. And you say Im not going to straight up say you are blue punk but that is almost exactly what you did.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
June 08 2013 11:32 GMT
#757
On June 08 2013 00:02 Umasi wrote:
Spicy, I agree that Firerer looks suspicious, because he hasn't posted anything of worth yet, but I think it's okay to give him a bit of time to come contribute. I don't want to be distracted from a Gotard lynch today unless someone posts a super rock solid defense of him.
But if Firere hasn't posted anything of worth by the next lynch period, I'll happily consider him.


His first defense of firere even though he has said firere was a town feel in his earlier posts.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
June 08 2013 11:36 GMT
#758
On June 08 2013 10:20 Umasi wrote:
Firere dying with his vote on Gotard makes me quite a bit less sure about Gotard, since it was close enough he was probably hoping for him to be lynched instead of himself.
And by quite a bit less sure I mean a huge amount less sure, although Gotard is still scummy imo t.t



Why do you think gotard is still scummy? I would like to hear this please. I get the feel of newb town not scum and with fireres vote on him makes me feel even stronger in that opinion.
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
June 08 2013 11:38 GMT
#759
Sorry about the multiple posts Im going to get some food Ill be back soon.
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Gotard
Profile Joined December 2010
Poland446 Posts
June 08 2013 11:47 GMT
#760
I'm alive! Good job guys! And now it's time to find another scum.
I agree with fferyllt. LoneMeow's filter looks suspicious.

On June 07 2013 19:05 LoneMeow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 16:34 Xzavier wrote:
Lonemeow what do you think of gotard and my case against him?


Gotard's posts are extremely weird, jumping in and straight away pushing lynch on you who most seem to find the strongest town read at the moment. Even weirder that he's pushing his second best scum read instead of the best. On the other hand, this is such a suicidal move that it makes me wonder if scum would dare do something like that.

Your case on him seems pretty good, but I still worry that he might be just overeager townie since as said, the move seems too suicidal for scum to dare try. I'm fine with lyching him if he doesn't provide better input, though.


If you read my filter I didn't really try to lynch Xzavier on day 1. It was more like "Hey, this guy could be a scum but at the same time He's helping town so I don't really know". Ok I looked like a scum for a moment but you took my words and overreacted really heavily. At the end pressuring me gave us great results and we were able to find a scum. And about "jumping in and straight away pushing lynch" that was my first post because I only post during EU afternoons and evenings (but he couldn't know that) and I had to go through a lot of text before posting..

On June 07 2013 20:59 LoneMeow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 07 2013 19:19 Onegu wrote:
Lonemeow what is your strongest scum read at this point? I would also ask yavanna the same thing.


It's not really a strong scum read at all, but right now I'd want to lynch Firere345. Doesn't say much, sheeps the current "consensus". Promises to participate more but doesn't seem to be doing so.

This situation with Gotard has me worried, I can understand why people would want to lynch him but I'm having hard time convincing myself scum would dare be so brash.


And changes he's mind (is he trying to save his friend Firere?). Look at the timing Firere was going down hill at this point and it was really close (after his vote Firere345 (5), Gotard (4))

On June 08 2013 15:42 LoneMeow wrote:
Crap, running out of time.

Essentially, since voting is mandatory, I had to choose between Firere345 (who I mostly wanted to lynch for lurking so much and not really being very useful when he was around) and Gotard, on whom there was a relatively good case. Originally, I thought Gotard looked way too brash to be scum, but then he went on the "wasting time on me" tangent which felt scummy, discussing opinions on anyone is useful even if the target is later proven town.


Main suspects right now: Skanjab1s and LoneMeow.
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