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On May 18 2013 04:51 s0Lstice wrote: depends on the beach hurr hurr yamato, do you have anything to say besides popcorn? you've been called out on it already The only thing worth talking about is the BH/Marv tunnel fest going on, and it has yet to play itself out. You'll hear from me when I want to post. | ||
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On May 18 2013 05:23 VayneAuthority wrote: it is actually not my birthday lol, seems like I put in the wrong date =/ With a day start I would want to no lynch here, nothing to go off of yet with no night kills. I could lynch this guy | ||
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On May 18 2013 05:39 VayneAuthority wrote: What info do we get based on gut feelings? oh thats right astrology readings. I will be sticking to my game of logic and not letting emotions get the best of me. If somebody scumslips day 1 I will be watching intently, but besides that im not gonna bandwagon some poor sap just because a "vet" deems him scum So you think you're gonna find scum by reading who they shoot? Most N1 shots tell you is who is town, not who is scum. | ||
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On May 18 2013 05:48 VayneAuthority wrote: In your opinion. After night 1 shots I will have at least one scum nailed and tunnel the shit out of them. There's no opinion about it. Night 1 shots are shots on dangerous vets. You trying to WIFOM why they were shot is not going to nail any scum realistically. That said, you'd be insanely stupid to suggest this idea in the thread as scum, so I'm going to treat you as town for the time being. The fact that you've managed to garner so much attention with your antics thus far should tell you something; your play is pro-mafia. I suggest you re-evaluate your strategies. | ||
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On May 18 2013 06:13 VayneAuthority wrote: lol you havent played in a game with me yet so ill fill you in. I always garner massive day 1 attention because my "shitty" analysis is pretty accurate. Scum want me gone early. There's no WIFOM when were talking a difference in playstyles here. Your newbie games here on TL might have had NKs that you were able to analyze, but I tell you now, tonight's NK is only going to tell you which of the vets is the towniest. It's not going to help you find mafia. So why don't you do what you were doing and point out suspicious posts for the thread to see and talk about why you think they're suspicious. That's what we do on day 1. | ||
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On May 18 2013 05:43 VayneAuthority wrote: also I find this post suspicious as hell, as if he is trying to meta himself already for the rest of the game. FoS s0lstice You did perfectly fine here. Just do more of this and people can stop tripping over themselves to lynch you. | ||
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On May 18 2013 06:21 marvellosity wrote: yamato, tell me what you think of BH so far. Is his pursuit of iamp legit? Is his calling me scum legit? Is his jump on to vayne legit? All these questions sound pretty loaded, but actually I just want to know what you think. ta. I'm fairly suspicious of BH. I don't really agree with anything he's said this game so far, and if I learned anything from the voice games we played, it's that scum BH has shit reads. | ||
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On May 18 2013 06:28 marvellosity wrote: Do you think I've been unfair in anything I've written about him so far? Not particularly, no. But this question is weird. I've never seen you care so much about your image. | ||
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On May 18 2013 06:34 marvellosity wrote: you misinterpret my question, because it's not about my image, it's about how valid my pursuit is. I've pursued BH to a degree, and it's useful for me to get your feelings on what I've done. take it or leave it ^^ I'm pretty sure you can understand I have absolutely no use in you validating me as I'm mafia. Not that it proves me town, but if i were mafia, i really don't give a shit what you think about me. Given what I know about how you play mafia, I suppose that's true. Carry on, then. | ||
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On May 18 2013 06:36 VayneAuthority wrote: I threw the game? The other townie came in and voted at the last second for me. Why the fuck would it have mattered? I made it to lylo because I played my part as town perfectly, suspicious enough to stay alive and not bad enough to get lynched. You should read some town guides on TL and listen to some of the podcasts. I don't think you understand how we gauge good town play whatsoever. | ||
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On May 18 2013 06:39 grush57 wrote: only way he will learn is if we punish him >  CTRL+F on your filter returned 0 starsenses, and this is a scummy post. Why are you not scum, grush? | ||
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On May 18 2013 07:27 marvellosity wrote: Ok. btw people can semi-ignore me until tomorrow when I'm more sober, but my current thought is this: vayne is probably town because he's constantly answered me in a pretty consistent manner. this isn't a certain read, but meh, maybe we should be looking somewhere else today. he seems to be saying some really weird shit that he genuinely believes in without being scared of it. yes? I said this pages ago. But yeah, it's nice you seem to agree. | ||
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On May 18 2013 07:32 marvellosity wrote: yeah. but i'm more thorough than you  ok, you and bh agree. this time spent was worthwhile. let's focus on some other no-hoper. What you call "thorough", I call "slow". <3 So yeah, let's do this grush thing, since he disappeared after I posted. | ||
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On May 18 2013 07:47 Dandel Ion wrote: So you think you are town It could be worthwhile to investigate this possibility. I do think I'm town. I do also think most people think I'm town by now as well. For the record, I tend to agree with you about Marv. That vote was terribad. | ||
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On May 18 2013 07:43 marvellosity wrote: my conclusion is that i'll vote you for being a troll, because despite your usual bullshit i know you like to try to win. ##unvote '##vote: dandel ion Marv, I want to talk to you about this, because you doing this is not what I expect from town Marv. You know well that Dandel trolls as either alignment. | ||
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On May 18 2013 07:56 marvellosity wrote: aren't you reading at all? In personality, dandel specifically protected me as his protection target, which he had to protect ONE OF, all game long, because he was certain i was town. i was fucking useless in personality. it's my worst game by far. and yet a town dandel protected me becuase he was sure i was town. dandel does not "troll as either alignment" the fact you're saying this shows a remarkable lack of understanding of how dandel plays. I got railed on as scum in RTP because of this exact argument, and I was wrong. Marv, what the fuck. | ||
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On May 18 2013 08:02 iamperfection wrote: marv tends to get more emotional as town if he actually runs away and dosnt come back we will kill him. The emotion tends to come from a town marv if he is town he wont actually abandon us. Or he's scum and he realizes that this was literally the stupidest argument of all time, and is getting pissed at himself. | ||
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On May 18 2013 08:33 Blazinghand wrote: having read that, I now remember it! It didn't come to mind previously though. "I'm fox!" lolololololol | ||
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I'll look at sputnik/JJD in a moment, and give my thoughts on them. | ||
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JJD just called out BH for the worst part of his filter, which I find to be a townie insight. Not thrilled with either lynch. | ||
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On May 18 2013 15:47 WaveofShadow wrote: So no GK, no sputnik. no JJD. You planning on coming up with something? I mean, I agree with you on sputnik so far as I expect him to come back and say/do something, but until he does my vote stays on him so I'm treating him scummy until proven otherwise, unlike you, whose method is innocent until proven lurky? I'm not sure I agree with you regarding JJD's recent post because weren't there other people who realized what BH seemed to about VA at the same time? And why is GK not getting lynched today? GK is obviously town. BH's actions around VA were unique, and they are suspicious. I'm still inclined to want to lynch BH so far today, but I want to let this day play out on its own for the most part. You guys have just happened to default to terrible lurker lynches so far so I have to step in and set you straight. Sputnik is scummy-ish. I've seen newish towns play that way before. We'll see what he has to say when he returns, but I'm less in love with lynching him than I am with BH, or with another possible alternative I find tonight. For the record, I'm looking at BH/Marv/DP/Dandel and YOU tonight. If you're all town, I'll be surprised. | ||
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If I don't get reads on them early, I'll never go back and do it later on in the game. >_> | ||
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I generally agree with what you said about it. He's playing slightly different from how I've seen town WoS play. It's like he has a hard time calling someone scummy. | ||
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On May 18 2013 16:06 DarthPunk wrote: Eh he wasn't that active early in his last game as town (carnival cruise). Yet another wait and see for me. I'm not reading that game, so I'm basing this off of my experience with him in LXI. | ||
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So much of it is devoted to being a complete dick, it's hard to discern his true alignment. I like his pursuit of BH, but he hasn't had the balls to stick to it for any lengthy amount of time. His fight with Dandel was completely stupid, based off of ass reasoning, and ultimately went nowhere. Other than that, he seems overly preoccupied with how people perceive how he's playing so far and rather sheepish in his most recent voting. Maybe we're seeing Marv from Personality rear his ugly head again, but I feel like he's playing like shit. I don't think scum Marv would play this way, however, so I guess he's town. I really don't like that this is the case. | ||
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On May 18 2013 02:44 Blazinghand wrote: ##vote iamperfection On May 18 2013 03:38 Blazinghand wrote: i wouldn't say because i don't know his meta. he's posting like dick, i vote him, he ragequits thread. are you voting me because of other factors here or just cause you're mad or do you think i'm scum Within those 3 quotes is the story of BH's terrible entrance to this thread. Coming in and (seriously) voting someone in the first few pages is always troublesome, but this looks terribly like a BH caught in a bad play. If one doesn't mind listening to a voice game, this is highly reminiscent of his play as mafia in SSB64. After refusing to claim his role on D2, Ange comes out with a rolecheck on him and he just goes "Yep, I'm fox!" (hence my quote) and tries to act like nothing happened. Equate that to this game, where he's called iamp scum, backed it up by saying he doesn't know his meta, and was then proven explicitly wrong in the thread. His reaction is priceless. I could lynch him based off this alone, but there's more. On May 18 2013 03:44 Blazinghand wrote: None of this makes any sense. I always post like a douchebag, and if you're going to bring up The Game as an example of me posting like a douchebag as a supporting meta read, show me not doing this in games where i'm town etc etc like if it's something i literally always do you can't say "hey look BH did this in this one game" and claim it's a legit meta read of course you know all this don't you ##unvote ##vote marvellosity On May 18 2013 05:07 Blazinghand wrote: just to be totally clear, Marv's so-called scum read on me is crap. Hus substantiating evidence is non evidence and he would never try to pull something like this as town. I am a generally abrasive player and his choice to vote me because of a few highly typical posts is based mostly on the fact that he knows I am in three n games and hosting one. he thinks u won't be able to defend myself or see through him. he is wrong. His argument with Marv boils down to, "I'm always a douchebag, so you saying I'm mafia for being a douchebag means that you're mafia!" It seems defensive rather than an honest accusation. He wants to make Marv look bad, but only so it makes people less likely to think BH mafia than to actually think Marv is mafia. It's worth noting that this is an argument that spawns over Marv calling BH out on that shitty iamp read, and as I said: On May 18 2013 06:27 yamato77 wrote: I'm fairly suspicious of BH. I don't really agree with anything he's said this game so far, and if I learned anything from the voice games we played, it's that scum BH has shit reads. On May 18 2013 05:33 Blazinghand wrote: vayne u r wrong son wrong itnia rididickkuois On May 18 2013 05:35 Blazinghand wrote: info comes from town taking stances on things that matter ie voting and scum trying and failing to imitate On May 18 2013 05:57 Blazinghand wrote: If 1 is "barely lynchworthy" and 10 is "mod has stated he is scum in thread" I'd put him at about a 6. I'm highly willing to lynch Vayne because he's trying really hard not to do anything, to opt out of the town discourse. It's not that his suggestion to no-lynch is bad per se (though it is) it's his idea that this is a cart blanche to give no reads and to play like he is. On May 18 2013 06:55 Blazinghand wrote: god is that really your idea of how town plays optimally :| ##unvote BH's pursuit of Vayne feels like he's voting him based on policy more than anything. He votes him before engaging him in any sort of real discussion, as I intended to do when I called him out. He backs off once it becomes apparent to most of the thread that Vayne honestly believes what he's posting, and that was always the problem with the idea of lynching Vayne in the first place: pro-mafia does not mean ACTUALLY mafia. He also spends a signficant portion of his filter discussing with Vayne, both before and after unvoting him. The entire interaction smells. I find it hard to believe town BH would play like this, but scum BH, as I said before, has shit reads. On May 18 2013 08:33 Blazinghand wrote: So I'm not sure what to make of Marv's raging. He's done it before as town but he is a sly fox and I wouldn't put it past him to fake it as scum. That being said I think his decision to not be as mad any more is a reasonable move. I don't want to lynch him today, he's too useful/valuable in general and scum will shot him anyways if he's town. I have two scumreads right now I want to look into. 2) JarJar. He's off the radar, not posting, active lurker. Don't like it. If he were straight up not posting, that's one thing. IT's another to come in and kinda waffle suspicion at someone then dip out. Not acceptable. 1) Stutters. His inconsistency on meta (link)( has been well-documented by GK. the really damning thing the thing that makes me think scum is this: as things were leading into a potential VA lynch stutters basically tries to soft attack VA and deflect responsibility. I eventually realized that VA's BS was not alignment-indicative, but at the time it looked like i was gonna go HAM on VA. Stutters vulture-like opportunism here smacks of scum looking to get on an easy wagon. Stutters is scum, and I am voting him. So should you. ##unvote ##vote stutters695 On May 18 2013 08:40 Blazinghand wrote: if he's a kushm4sta, then my case on him isn't valid. I'll go dive some meta then. Stutters read is also obviously shit. This is like, the third time he's made a terrible case on someone for lynching them. As Marv said, this is highly unimpressive. On May 18 2013 08:50 Blazinghand wrote: jarjar is actively lurking. with my stutters case defanged he is my only scumread. I vote him. you should also ##unvote ##vote jarjardrinks His case on jarjar is that he's an "activing lurking". Yeah, no. Not impressive. I haven't liked a single thing BH has said so far. He's my best scum read in the game, and if I lead the lynch today, I'm leading it to him. | ||
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On May 18 2013 16:47 DarthPunk wrote: OK grush is scum. Every town game of his since August 2012 he has said starsenses at the beginning of the game and flipped town. When Confronted on not doing it he says some variation of this. From LVII From Dessert Every. Single. Game. Starsenses at the start. See for yourselves August 2012 PTP 3 LVII October 2012 LVIII December 2012 Hero Mini January 2013 Dessert Mini LIX February 2013 Fruity Mafia LX March 2013 LXI May 2013 Carnival Cruise Lynch grush because STARSENSES ##Vote: Grush57 I don't feel good about lynching grush just because of STSRSENSES. Would he really ruin all of his future town games just to survive past day 1 in this game? Idk. He is objectively scummy, as per his insistence on voting Vayne despite thread sentiment, and his obviously bad OMGUS vote. I have very mixed feelings about grush. | ||
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If we ignore STARSENSES altogether, I would feel better about lynching him. There are plenty of bad posts in his filter. | ||
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If there's no better lynch when I look at the game tomorrow, I would be fine lynching him. What do you think about Marv? | ||
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On May 18 2013 17:36 DarthPunk wrote: I already posted about that previously. Shit like that makes me suspicious because you are already trying to absolve yourself of responsibility from the things you say whilst you are saying them. Why bother saying anything at all then? I don't feel like scum Marv would claim being drunk just to act like an idiot in the thread. | ||
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On May 18 2013 17:43 DarthPunk wrote: I really have no fucking clue how WoS has a town read on grush. Care to explain it? I think he's just trying to argue with one of us for no good reason and look like he's taking stances. | ||
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On May 18 2013 18:06 Blazinghand wrote: although this is possible, it's not a super reasonable and useful thing to draw associative tells between unflipped players. this is why the important thing isn't who makes cases on who, but the mindset and reasoning behind said cases. Currently WoS's defense of grush is unsubstantiated, and because we can't see a town mindset from which this defense would arise, what this means associatively is not relevant until a flip has taken place. Well his mindset seems to be to use his townread of grush to make people look bad, no? Kinda fits with how I see his posting. It certainly doesn't look like scum WoS defending scum Grush. | ||
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On May 18 2013 18:12 marvellosity wrote: You don't get to make statements like this. In LXI you called Giggles "obviously" or "blatantly" town. He flipped mafia. You have to explain yourself. Because he's tried harder this game to make his reads than you have? I think anyone reading the thread can see GK is obviously putting in effort. I misremembered gigyas' efforts in LXI. After I died, I looked at his filter and realized he really wasn't trying all that hard. It was all a product of a terrible tunnel I was in. Do I seem to be tunneling this game, Marv? You can fuck off with your comments about my play. Unless you think GK is scum, you have no reasoning to question me. | ||
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On May 18 2013 18:14 Blazinghand wrote: I don't view this as a productive way to think about it. I don't draw associative tells between unflipped players because I haven't seen it end well. Specifically regarding WoS: I could lynch WoS just for this post because of how far he is reaching. But my reads this game aren't as this post is like bad and scummy in every way. Whatever you want to say about GK, the fact that he was the first person to question the VA wagon doesn't make him scum. I can get behind that analysis. I'm not drawing conclusions about grush's alignment necessarily, but I do think it seems more likely that his read of grush comes from a scum mindset, regardless of grush's alignment. | ||
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Look, I don't think you're scum, so we can quit with the being angry shtick. | ||
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I'm less suspicious of BH at the moment, and we all seem to have the same problems with WoS' play. Feels like a good lynch. | ||
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On May 18 2013 18:23 marvellosity wrote: yeah, if you quit posting things like a twat, sure. You basically insult my play before making a case on the same conclusion on BH's pursuit of iamp that I'd already made. It's rude and I don't like it. you can't say i'm playing like shit (I am not playing like shit) and then steal my case. Now, I don't care that you stole and expanded my case, that's great and all, but it does seem rather ridiculous. I already told you your case was good before. My problems with your play was your unwarranted aggression and erratic play once Dandel entered the thread. It was difficult to read. I apologize for bruising your ego, but I have to read your posts to discern your alignment, you know. | ||
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On May 18 2013 20:35 Dandel Ion wrote: Actually, no. I see him trying to find out which lurker he can push. Explain your townread better. No. | ||
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The Game LVII I'm not sure which one he looks more like this game. If I had to pick out some tells, it would be that town GK seems to keep track of multiple scum reads throughout the game, where mafia GK seems to waste a lot of his posts discussing things other than reads. Mafia GK also seems concerned with how others perceive him, to a fault. It's also worth noting that mafia GK focused on "the lurkers" and had no problem following thread sentiment when lynching on day one, even if it was his mafia buddy. So yeah, you guys can make more sense of this. I'm inclined to think he's town through sheer scumhunt effort so far, especially in comparison to many of the lurkers we have this game. I am much more confident lynching WoS, and I will talk about why in a couple hours. I need to eat. | ||
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Marv, you said you don't like a WoS lynch anymore, why? | ||
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On May 19 2013 07:03 marvellosity wrote: he seems active and involved, and he doesn't look that different to any of his other games. It looks to me like he's just searching for the best town-created wagon to sheep, no? Honestly, all meta aside, there is almost no difference between GK and WoS except the tone of their posting, and GK seems more inquisitive and insightful versus WoS' aggressiveness and decisiveness. WoS may be here, posting, but I have yet to see what I expect from WoS, which is actual personal insight into the game versus parroting what people are already saying about players. I mean, do you think GK is scum? I'm on the fence, to be honest. It's hard to tell whether he seems more like his town game or his scum game. | ||
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This was something I saw many times in his scum game. If this is the case, I could believe it to be a solid meta tell that he is scum. WoS, the jury's out on you. I still haveto compare your posting firsthand to LXI, because that's the towniest I've ever seen you. Until I get around to that, I will refrain from commenting, because a lot of people look like sheep to me this game and I don't like it. | ||
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On May 19 2013 07:20 iamperfection wrote: i wouldn't say its over justifying is what he is doing more of a lack of give and take with town if you get what im saying. Looking at his meta, he never seems too involved. I want to see more from him about what you guys accuse him of. | ||
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On May 19 2013 07:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: huh, explain it to me yamato. Both you and solstice get townie points for your reads, but you get minus townie points for bad activity. Think of it as a math equation, and you haven't hit the "town" threshold. | ||
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On May 19 2013 07:29 iamperfection wrote: What has he done in this game to make you think he is town. If there is no give and take all the other stuff is only justification He seems reasonable in his reads. I don't think he's reaching much for any of it. Do you really think suspicion of WoS at that time was unfounded? He seemed pretty accurate in his analysis, in my opinion. | ||
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On May 19 2013 07:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: rofl, whta has activity to do with anything if you know who is scum? Because scum can be "right" too? You have to be involved, Rayn. Popping in and calling people mafia without any prior justification or interaction with town is not enough to be called town. | ||
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GIVE IT UP ALREADY | ||
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I hammered myself. | ||
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On May 19 2013 07:39 iamperfection wrote: wave of shadow is a "newer" player correct? Newish, sure | ||
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It's not really martyring unless you're town | ||
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I need convincing on any lynch at the moment. | ||
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On May 19 2013 11:00 DarthPunk wrote: As for my read on him. I feel like he is flying under the radar after the bravado of his entrance. Doesn't quite ring true to not be a high impact player when you arrive by flaming marv. I feel similarly. I don't really know much of his reads right now and that bothers me. | ||
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On May 19 2013 11:06 iamperfection wrote: this thread lacks bh involvement at the moment. On May 19 2013 11:06 Blazinghand wrote: balls air etc As if on cue. | ||
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I was pointing out his timing, actually. I agree, he's definitely uninvolved so far. | ||
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On May 19 2013 11:09 DarthPunk wrote: This is something I just remembered. How many of you have replaced into a game before? I have several times and every single time I have recieved my role PM along with permission to start posting in the thread. I find it hard to believe Dandel did not read his role PM cause he was replacing in. He also then goes on to claim scum. Seems like standard Dandel trolling, no? Or do you think he's actually mafia making jokes like this? | ||
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On May 19 2013 11:12 s0Lstice wrote: What the hell? Did you read the games you linked? This is his first post after the /in post in the scum game you linked He voted in his first post and then tunneled the entire time. In fact, I reach pretty much the opposite conclusion you do from the games you linked. That's actually exactly what he said. | ||
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On May 19 2013 11:17 s0Lstice wrote: Um, no it's not. Voting in your first post in the thread, and voting methodically (or saying this stuff is suspicious and then voting a little later, as GK put it) are not the same. He clearly says that his town games are more methodical, and that his scum games are more tunnelish. I'm wondering if you're reading his post that closely. | ||
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On May 19 2013 11:31 DarthPunk wrote: Well he trolled as scum in a game I believe, but could do so as either alignment. But yeah I think he was probably not telling the truth about his role PM. I don't feel like that, in particular, is alignment indicative. | ||
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I guess we leave poor BH alone and lynch GK. | ||
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I don't like that GK keeps sheeping town sentiment. I don't like that BH obviously isn't trying very hard this game. I don't like that sputnik has yet to return to the game and try to find mafia. I could lynch any of the three, maybe add Dandel if he returns with less-then-stellar contributions. It doesn't matter much to me. | ||
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On May 19 2013 13:48 DarthPunk wrote: Ok. Yamato and perfection are like my solid solid town reads. Can we between the three of us decide on a wagon and then fucking get something going so we don't last minute derp? BH/GK seem both like good lynches, IMO. If I had to pick, it would be BH, but neither inspires any real hope in me. | ||
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Hopefully some other townies jump in and realize what's going on. | ||
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BH is to lose his head today. All who oppose his lynch shall be hunted ruthlessly in the coming days. | ||
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On May 18 2013 08:46 Dandel Ion wrote: If you just want to make him look like a good lynch, look at MtG, that was his towniest game I've seen so far. If you want to actually look at meta, look at other games too. So, "literally always" is technically incorrect, but so far I've seen nothing in this game stutters hasn't done before. I don't really see the point in comparing meta when he hasn't been scum so far, I tend to get burned on meta arguments that say "he's not doing shit he does as town". I mean, that ain't stopping me, but still. JJD looks like a decent lynch. I'd sheep that. On May 18 2013 09:55 Dandel Ion wrote: fuck marv is probably actually town sad day iamp totally confirmed town because vayne was all the rage a few pages back, but he seems to actually believe in what he says (this is consistent with a dude that builds bt and qss as a core, lol), so I dunno, I feel like he would care more about how he looks and adapt (to tl) as scum I have like nothing to base this on, but I mean, the dude called somebody else a newbie when he just finished playing in an actual newbie game days ago. I find not giving a fuck generally a townie thing to do. I'm fine with waiting for whatever nightaction information the dude thinks he needs to actually play the game for now. ( I still have no idea what he's doing though ) I really like how blazing reacted to vayne, and I pretty much agree with this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=410972¤tpage=17#330 Although I am hesitant about the shooting part, but I can't and won't tell you why! Best reasoning NA. I'm mainly interested in lynching jjd and gk atm. What has been said about jdd has been said, and he hasn't said anything. GK because his case on stutters (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=410972¤tpage=16#320) is based on a serious misrepresentation of stutters' post, trying to point out a inconsistency in stutters posting that was not actually one. (stutters pointed out he's never been scum, gk somehow turned that into an inconsistency regarding meta) I don't think stutters responded yet and I usually prefer people doing that before i butt in, but I am a realist and it's stutters, so nope. In total, it just looks way too much like an "easy" case scum loves to do on an inactive/bad (or both!) townie and it gives me the jeebers. Rest is variying shades of null + Show Spoiler + although I'd like to jot down that if gk is mafia, then solstice is town. Just so I remember this if (/when? :O ) gk flips. Feel free to ignore cuz associations, nobody yet flipped, etcetc~ aaaaand that should be about it. Okay, going to sleep. Toodles. On May 18 2013 21:58 Dandel Ion wrote: My point exactly. I could get behind a Wave lynch. I would have expected him to do something townie by now. It's worth noting that Dandel is not breaking any new ground here. Most of his reads, especially the scum ones, seem in line with thread sentiment. It's also worth noting that he really fails to explain his suspicion of WoS or JJD beyond one or two sentences. His suspicion of GK is the most fleshed out, but while he seems to like that lynch, I think he is more preoccupied with following the lynches led by town than actually finding mafia on his own. I know town Dandel to be particularly headstrong, and I do not feel that sheeping is a common tactic in his scum hunting repertoire. Aside from these posts, most of his filter could be entirely ignored. I really feel like he isn't involved in the game, and his effort put forth in finding scum is exceptionally pathetic. It makes me wonder why Cora, a person who was one of the last to sign up and one who seemed interested, replaced out. Did Cora not want to play mafia, perhaps? If we're not lynching BH, I'd like to lynch Dandel. It's late in the day for a case but I no longer feel like anyone else we've discussed is a particularly appealing lynch unless we default to lynching a lurker in sputnik. GK is so much on the fence for me, and we're obviously not lynching a mason-BH on day 1, plus WoS seems particularly townish on a reread. If you disagree, offer up a consolidated case on someone else. I'm going to sleep and I won't have time before the deadline tomorrow to do any more in depth reading, so make it easy for me. Until further notice, I am voting Dandel. | ||
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On May 18 2013 07:15 VayneAuthority wrote: Also I dont want to lynch him because I hate lynching day one, accidentally bringing out a PR role is literally such a bad start that it can be almost impossible to recover from if its a strong role. Also take into account simple probability, whats the chances of us finding scum based on no real evidence? 25%. I would never take those chances would you? One thing I thought of just a moment ago: How does Vayne know the ration of town:scum? We are not told in the OP. Scumslip? | ||
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Seriously, now I'm out. | ||
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On May 19 2013 23:55 Dandel Ion wrote: gk not happening anymore? If so then I'm in favor of a jjd lynch. After tunneling GK a bit more, he comes out with this. I hate these posts. They smell like scum. | ||
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On May 20 2013 02:44 iamperfection wrote: not crazy about that lynch very much at all Iamp confirmed scum. | ||
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If not, why? | ||
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When do you know Dandel to not have strong opinions in the game? | ||
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On May 20 2013 05:31 marvellosity wrote: ok I don't wanna kill Spicy. Kill the dickhead who was enthusiastic to play pre-game but has only posted shit and excuses once the game started. yes? Who is that, BH? Don't believe his claim? | ||
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On May 20 2013 05:31 Blazinghand wrote: yeah i'm not voting spicy dino if the entire case against him is "he made a mistake that literally makes him look more townie" No, it's also that he called a guy a scumread when in that very post, he was talking about him FLIPPING TOWN. | ||
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On May 20 2013 05:34 Blazinghand wrote: In the post where he attacks jarjar and/or WoS he seems to be saying he expects ST to flip town, and doesn't call ST a scumread. emphasis mine You're not reading the thread, but that's fine. | ||
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I'm fine with a sputnik lynch if people are waffling on dino. Seems appropriate. | ||
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On May 20 2013 05:36 Spicydinosaur wrote: I read him as scum because of what he has been posting but wouldnt be suprised if he flipped town because it doesnt make sense for a scum player to play like that. That's why i didnt vote him as lynching someone else gets us info from who votes him. Fortunately for you, I'm starting to believe you. | ||
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On May 20 2013 05:38 marvellosity wrote: Like I understand why people want to lynch goodkarma, but from my point of view he's put in too much effort into the game to be lynched today. He hasn't backed down from anything he's said, he's fighting his corner. I remember him being much more aloof as mafia (LVII). This isn't a certain townread but I don't think he's done enough to be lynched today given his effort. I said this over a day ago, but yeah, I got ignored. lololol | ||
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You sheep me on Dandel, sheep me on this. GK is not a good lynch. | ||
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On May 20 2013 05:45 marvellosity wrote: By the way, yamato, Dandel sheeps all the time as town. I think he even sheeped me once, and you know we have a fairly antagonistic relationship. Yeah, but he always has strong opinions. He scumhunts. He tryhards. He's fucking off this game. | ||
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On May 20 2013 05:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: fuck you all if sputnik is town.. If sputnik is town, he sure didn't try very hard to show us, did he? | ||
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On May 20 2013 05:48 marvellosity wrote: i thought you hated lynching lurkers. I mean i love lynching lurkers, but you hate it, no? Did I not try to get us to lynch anyone else today? I'd still prefer Dandel, but I can't argue that sputnik is total trash. He's not a bad D1 lynch by any standard. | ||
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On May 20 2013 06:54 iamperfection wrote: but why did he vote sputnik he didn't need to and would know he was town if dandel were scum So he looks like he's just sheeping town? He obviously gives no fucks about finding scum. I'm tired of his antics. | ||
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You make an apparent scumslip and act SCUMMY AS FUCK afterward. I think you should die. Seems easy enough. | ||
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On May 20 2013 12:37 Blazinghand wrote: Wow if I get lynched for that I'm never gonna live it down am I I agree with DP that this reaction is totally scummy and yet another slip of your mindset. You're so spammy as mafia that you just post random shit without thinking, and this sounds exactly how someone would react to that as scum. Why would a townie even act like it could potentially get him lynched if it is just an honest mistake? Why would a townie even assume there are three scum in the first place? Why is a townie assuming information not given to us? And why did you make the post about it saying something about Marv's alignment? On May 20 2013 12:42 Blazinghand wrote: For what it's worth, assuming this is a scum slip, it's a scum slip ONLY a scum MASONER could have made, since he intends to prove his innocence by masoning at least one town player. So for what it's worth, at least this definitely deflates the "marv and bh scum together, bh not actually a masoner" theory. Why would that be the case, and why are you making this post at all? | ||
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On May 20 2013 15:14 Blazinghand wrote: And what about the fact that I do this also as town? I've only ever played with scum BH, but I doubt you would do what you've done here as town. | ||
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On May 20 2013 15:37 Blazinghand wrote: Thanks for taking the time to explain your read! I'm going to do my best to respond to your points, and explain why I wrote what I wrote. Well, because it could IN FACT potentially get me lynched. Despite my record, being town doesn't make me magically immune to getting mislynched. Recognizing that a slip, whether real or percieved, can get you lynched, isn't a scumtell. Perhaps I shouldn't have shared the thought and am too open with how I play, but that's just what I was thinking. I don't really have a bettere xplanation for this. It's a mini, for whatever reason I assumed 3 scum, then realized there could be 4. Someone was saying (DP I think?) that not only could I potentially be a scum masoner, but a scum non-masoner, and was scum with marv. Or maybe they were just floating the idea. In a moment of wry humour, I thought "well at least this 'scumslip' has won me the argument, since everyone thinks I'm scum masoner now" and decided to share it with the thread. Constructed/10 +10000000 scum points | ||
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On May 20 2013 16:46 Blazinghand wrote: please explain more thoroughly, I'm not sure what your critique of my post is. You're so... emotionless. The exclamation point and the whole "I'm being a helpful, friendly townie!" thing you've got going on is just too much. Maybe I'm conditioned to think of town as messy and egotistical, but I see literally nothing but flat logic from you, which amounts to nothing more than WIFOM. Honestly, believing that you just happened to assume there's 3 scum in a 16 player game with no information in the OP pointing at this possibility is wine that's insanely hard to drink, good sir. I like the wine that tastes like "BH is scum." | ||
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You have YOUR explanations for why you wrote what you did, but they seem much more easily and simply explained as"BH is scum and not colossally bad at this game." | ||
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On May 20 2013 16:53 Blazinghand wrote: Actually you're not voting me YET but you're planning on it. you get the idea I rolled with it. | ||
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1) You assumed there were 3 scum for no discernible reason, which is directly in conflict with the reasonable assumptions most people have made about the size of the scum team given the total number of players. This also shows an absolute neglect of paying attention to the thread. 2) Were so intent on proving yourself innocent that you made this faulty assumption instead of simply playing the game in a more conventionally townie way, such as scum hunting. 3) Assumed immediately upon reading DP's post that it would be so difficult a situation to diffuse that it would get you lynched, despite him being only one member of the game, and there being a plethora of time between now and the lynch, and acted on this assumption. 4) Made a weird post considering the possibility that your slip is real in a moment of "humor", despite DP breathing down your neck about the "scumslip". Not once, but twice now. To believe you are scum, I assume: 1) You are scum, made some colossally bad posts, and are now trying to control the damage in every way possible. See why I think you're scum? | ||
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I want to know more about your reads before I write you off. For starters, tell me why you masoned marv. | ||
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On May 20 2013 17:29 DarthPunk wrote: Of course he is not going to talk about a scum masoner if he is a scum masoner. How likely is it that a scum masoner has the presence of mind to omit the existence if his own role when considering how to make himself confirmed town to the thread? If he did this, he's better at scum than I thought. | ||
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On May 20 2013 17:31 Blazinghand wrote: Basically, I came into night 1 with 3 big townreads: DP, Marv, and (to an extent) Iamp. I decided I needed to mason someone who A) is almost certainly town and B) I can work well with. A) is because I want it to be clear I was in fact a masoner. B) is so that, well, I'm using my skill in a worthwhile way. I decided that since the Iamp read is based on meta, and DP and I rarely interact well, I'd be best off going with Marv. Admittedly there was a risk to it since Marv and I have clashed once or twice recently (LXI), but Marv likes winning games of mafia more than he likes fighting with me, so I figured it was my best bet. Why do you think Marv is so townie? I do not share that opinion, necessarily. | ||
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On May 20 2013 17:39 DarthPunk wrote: It's something I would do when fake claiming. But that begs the question, if he's that precise, why is he also scumslipping in the same post? Don't those ideas seem mutually exclusive? | ||
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On May 21 2013 01:11 marvellosity wrote: The irony of it is, if it *wasn't* Dandel, I'd be quite confident his slot was town, because antagonistic, blaze players are usually town. But because it is Dandel, I'm not so sure about that read. I went over his filter earlier, and other than the weird shit-fest with me, I didn't find much particularly upsetting. His reads kinda make sense, and they are actually evolved and explained if you look past some of the weirdness. Quite a lot depends on how he performs on Day 2 I guess. I very clearly pointed out how this is blatantly not true, Marv. You got some 'splainin' to do. | ||
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On May 21 2013 01:49 marvellosity wrote: No, you made a post trumpeting your own opinion which you now hold to be 100% true even though it's totally subjective to you and contains gems such as "dandel doesn't sheep" when he sheeps multiple times each game as town. The only read of his that was well-developed at all was GK and he dropped it ON A DIME just because the "lynch wasn't happening". The rest of his reads are one-liners. His play lately has been abhorrent and he obviously doesn't care about town. You can't just say "Oh that's your opinion," when the dude is lazy and scummy. | ||
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On May 18 2013 08:46 Dandel Ion wrote: JJD looks like a decent lynch. I'd sheep that. On May 18 2013 09:55 Dandel Ion wrote: I'm mainly interested in lynching jjd and gk atm. What has been said about jdd has been said, and he hasn't said anything. Yeah, no. | ||
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1) Don't just auto-default to lynching BH because of the "scumslip". Whether he is actually mafia or not, this is terrible play. I'm not saying don't lynch him, just don't lynch him and do nothing else. If you do lynch him and he flips red, but not mason, immediately lynch Marv. This should go without saying. 2) Don't sleep on the "towniest" players this game. If one of Marv/DP suddenly becomes less interested in this game later on and we've mislynched consecutively, strongly reconsider your reads. They are more than capable of appearing active and pro-town as mafia. I feel its unlikely that either is mafia, but the possibility exists. 3) Pressure low-activity and low-involvement players like Dandel Ion until they contribute, or flat out lynch them. Sometimes, the best places to find mafia is among the low-hanging fruit. Don't just bandwagon on active players and cannibalize yourselves. Anyone you have a null read on, you need to be pressing for information. Try to make conclusions about their alignment. 4) Consider my reads when you're forming yours for day 2. Notably, I think that Dandel and GoodKarma are people to look at tomorrow. I've outlined Dandel already, so I'll explain my read on GK. While he explained his suspicions well, it's somewhat difficult to discern GK's true alignment. He seems to be sharply following thread sentiment. I can't reason which of his games he looks more like this game. Solstice made what I feel is a valid point in that he does seem to be continually defending his position, which is in line with my overview of his scum meta. 5) Try not to lose this game for me, please. I hate losing. | ||
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IDK man, this game is hard. If BH flips town I'm really going to be upset. | ||
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At this point, he's as good as confirmed mafia. | ||
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On May 22 2013 05:03 marvellosity wrote: Thanks for that insight yamato, you're a star. Only the best <3 | ||
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On May 22 2013 05:29 marvellosity wrote: Best not engage in any of the other discourse then! What discourse? I see a bunch of discussion about the same people I'm suspicious of. Unless I want to argue more with you about Dandel this is really not interesting. | ||
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On May 22 2013 05:40 marvellosity wrote: There's been quite a lot of conversation about JJD. Missed it? Am I supposed to have an opinion on him? | ||
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On May 22 2013 06:35 Stutters695 wrote: And what happened to your thoughts here now that you didn't die. You haven't really pursued lurkers or done anything since the day post. What's going on? You guys are doing fine. I get lazy D2-D4 or so unless I feel like I need to do stuff. I don't feel like I need to do stuff. | ||
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On May 22 2013 09:47 goodkarma wrote: Spoilered Solstice's post above below for your reference.: + Show Spoiler + On May 22 2013 09:11 s0Lstice wrote: Marv (and all)-- This is compelling: I went back and read that exchange and I see what you are getting at. I think it's significant. Building on what I said here... ...I went to look at JJ's filter again to see if it looked like he was scrambling for credit for BH's flip, because I seemed to remember him fighting for it a lot. Bolded is a passive reminder that he's been saying this all along. Also, talking about a DP bus play is just off the wall nuts imo. I see no reason why this thought would cross any town players mind at this juncture...but it could come from the mind of someone who has been thinking 'bus' all game. This is pointed out in the next quote. Another reminder that he has been on BH 24/7. Those speak for themselves. Combine this with what Marv was saying about his attitude: Fighting for credit for bus-->not getting it-->aggressive/attitude It reminds me of how Mattchew was caught in 'I Can't Believe it's Not Themed.' He and sciberbia drove for a lynch of a scum talismania, and scum Mattchew wanted to take credit for it when it was very much irrelevant who did what. I mean, we haven't seen a flip yet, but this fits pretty snugly. BH, JJ, one of Dandel/grush for scum....GK for 3p? I'm in general agreement with this post, except for the 3p thing and that a scum Dandel is far more likely than a scum grush. I have my own thoughts on who might be 3p, but I'll save that for the night phase. I'd like it if you could show the slightest interest in this game. | ||
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On May 22 2013 12:50 Stutters695 wrote: Yamato answer my question at the top of the page please. Why aren't you being your usual headstrong self? I'm lazy today. I think BH looks a little better right now, but I don't know how much I really feel like moving the lynch off him, or if I even could at this point. | ||
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On May 22 2013 12:52 Blazinghand wrote: It's plurality. If you think I'm scum, so be it, let's work together until I flip. But by god, if you think I'm town, get your vote off me. I don't know what you are. If you're scum you're doing a good job fooling me so far, but I can't tell. | ||
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On May 22 2013 15:04 Blazinghand wrote: I guess it's more of a null-scum read on JJD but they should call you ihop cause you got so much waffle ihop's waffles suck | ||
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The game I want to play is: show me a case and I'll evaluate its strengths and weaknesses. Perhaps I can update myself on the game in the process, as I've paid little attention to the goings on of this thread today. | ||
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On May 22 2013 18:50 marvellosity wrote: Not much I guess. I'd like you to be active in the night-phase regardless of the flip colour, if that's ok. If he flips red, I think we're on the right track and there isn't much to evaluate except perhaps glancing at D1 again and seeing who said what about BH's alignment and when. If he flips green, I, and everyone else, should reevaluate every single read of ours. I think we'd be at MYLO or something tomorrow if there is another 2KP on town tonight. | ||
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On May 23 2013 01:31 s0Lstice wrote: Read your GK case BH. It's purely meta outside of the fact that he was in thread around the deadline. Many of the people who think GK is scum I think do so in part because of his meta. That includes me. I agree with the observations you made, I made the same ones when I looked for myself. So, for what it's worth, I agree with you on this....but as I clarified my position on him earlier to you, it should come as little surprise. I agree with this man on the GK issue. I will not apologize for waffling on Day 1. Shit happens. | ||
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On May 23 2013 02:04 Blazinghand wrote: So you think GK is scum, and you agree with my case It's definitely not the first time a meta case was made on GK this game, so don't act like it's "your" case. | ||
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On May 23 2013 04:29 Dandel Ion wrote: But I have in fact voted. I just did it ninja. This is why we're lynching you tomorrow. | ||
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On May 23 2013 09:03 s0Lstice wrote: I'm thinking those are our likely lynches for tomorrow as well. I need to figure out how the hell I feel about JJ now....rewind on the association stuff. JJ is one of those people I have a question mark for as well. My only good town reads are you and DP right now :| | ||
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On May 23 2013 10:41 s0Lstice wrote: yamato-- I'm not at all confident he is town his ambivalence at some key moments in this game has struck me. I tucked it away as many of my town reads were saying he was town. I don't agree with BH at all that it is so obvious. Yeah, I really don't like that day 1 he seemed to have 0 reads and landed upon just lynching the lurkiest dude in the game : / He's definitely fooled people early in games many times as mafia. He's good enough to appear interested as mafia, and he hasn't really pushed any lynch except on sputnik. | ||
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On May 23 2013 10:46 VayneAuthority wrote: the sputnik lynch should have never happened, GK has escaped lynching 2 days in a row now. how long will it last? until we lose? What do you think about Marv? I think we've obviously arrived at the conclusion that GK and Dandel are mafia, so let's talk about something else. | ||
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On May 23 2013 10:52 VayneAuthority wrote: I have also voiced my other 2 mafia as s0lstice and WoS so you can tell me what you think about that...I see you disagree with s0lstice. I also disagree with WoS. He would be first-time scum and he seems very brave for someone in that position. | ||
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On May 23 2013 10:56 VayneAuthority wrote: alright for starters, if you know you are not mafia, who would be your replacement in my lineup for you? same question to yamato, if not WoS then who? marv? Dandel Ion, GoodKarma, possibly Marv, maybe even you. I'm working on my assessment of your alignment. | ||
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On May 23 2013 11:01 VayneAuthority wrote: fair enough, I think i've been pretty pro town but if you have any doubts about me voice them and ill address them. Marv is "pro-town" as mafia as well, so that doesn't mean much to me. I feel like you've constantly dodged contributing with this idea that your NK analysis is so important. Your stance on the day 1 lynch was also weird and seems suspicious in that you come in at the eleventh hour just to berate town for bandwagoning on a lurker without giving any reason we shouldn't lynch him. | ||
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Again, I'm not advocating lynching Marv, but I've said all game not to sleep on him or DP, and neither of them inspires much confidence in me right now. | ||
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On May 23 2013 11:18 yamato77 wrote: He does have 18 pages of filter. Again, I'm not advocating lynching Marv, but I've said all game not to sleep on him or DP, and neither of them inspires much confidence in me right now. Take that back about DP. I feel rather similarly to how he feels tonight. Seems townish to admit that he doubted his read. | ||
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On May 23 2013 11:31 Spicydinosaur wrote: I would disagree under this context. Many people claimed to doubt their read afterwards, him doing so is just to fit in. I'm highly suspect of all lyncher's remorse. Especially after that lynch. I admitted I wasn't sure of the lynch the whole day. I think it was normal to feel that way. Why would DP admitting post-hoc be so weird? | ||
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On May 23 2013 16:01 DarthPunk wrote: It's pretty obvious he is a major target, and he had to defend himself since day one. TBH I would much rather lynch dandle for ninja voting and full trolling after BH flipped green. I'm glad your thoughts and mine are aligning on this one. Suddenly not so sure of GK's alignment, lol. | ||
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Oh well, it's just a game. | ||
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