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s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1833 Posts
May 26 2013 02:43 GMT
#2568
Tell me why marv is town dp.
ATOBTTR
s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1833 Posts
May 26 2013 02:44 GMT
#2570
WoS did you read what I wrote? 431 is better for scum than a potential 5-4. Dandel claims sk thus forcing us to lynch scum when we should have lynched sk.
ATOBTTR
s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1833 Posts
May 26 2013 03:04 GMT
#2576
On my phone atm.

Your filter looks fine DP, but your reads and mine right now are so opposite that I have to wonder. Like I said earlier, I'm having to find scum from a bunch of former town reads.

I'm frustrated because if there 4 scum like we think (probably are, dandels play makes no sense otherwise), then town has effectively already lost this game.

I really do think marv is scum. If anyone, he should have been the voice of reason during the whole bh thing. He even said in the mason qt that there was a perfectly townie reason for the slip, and that was that BH literally didn't give a shit about the game when it happened....enough that he didn't know how many people were in the game. I made the mistake of assuming that he would at least know its a 16 player game he was in.

Let me ask you something else. Was it obvious to you that iamp was a town mason? On night 1, iamp dies and you are roleblocked dp. Is it more likely that the scum team saw iamps claim and switched targets (plus the roleblock) in the 7 minutes they had, or that they knew the entire time because marv is scum.

After the slip, the first thing marv did in thread was nitpick a tiny semantics issue in something I posted. He didn't even care to read what I said right, despite saying to iamp in mason qt that everyone should keep an eye on me. Is this town marv to you? BH scumslips, kind of a big deal, and he puts it aside to talk about something inconsequential. He doesn't even comment definitively on the slip until you drag it out of him dp.

There's been other times too where he's had uncharacteristic reading comprehension errors. It just doesn't seem like town marv to me.
ATOBTTR
s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1833 Posts
May 26 2013 03:08 GMT
#2577
Wos

5-4 means the town is once again in control of its own destiny. We have the majority of the votes. 4-3-1 that is not true. More, 4-3-1 is super unlikely. Its more likely to be 3-3-1 after tonight, and that puts scum firmly in control imo.
ATOBTTR
s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1833 Posts
May 26 2013 03:19 GMT
#2583
We have been a pretty derpy town. I think scum know who the SK is. They will probably try to lynch him tomorrow.
ATOBTTR
s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1833 Posts
May 26 2013 03:27 GMT
#2589
The numbers tell us if we still have a chance. I want to understand them.

We have little hope. I called you scum DP because I'm frustrated. The only thing that has stopped me from writing a case on marv is bh's dying words and you saying he is town over and over.

If that's not just posturing and you really think that then its whatever I guess. I retract it. Your filter really is fine.

ATOBTTR
s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1833 Posts
May 26 2013 03:32 GMT
#2591
On May 26 2013 12:22 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2013 12:19 s0Lstice wrote:
We have been a pretty derpy town. I think scum know who the SK is. They will probably try to lynch him tomorrow.


Like wtf is this. You have all these assertions about what scum think and what their plans are but you provide absolutely no analysis to back them. Like this is just useless shit you are talking I hope you realise.

Anyway the NA vs KR match is on soon so I will be gone when that starts.


Connect the dots yourself plox. If they can lynch him tomorrow then they don't have to shoot through his bulletproof vest. Scum also know which shot was theirs for sure at night, so they get a little leg up in the analysis, above the boost they already have from already knowing every other anti town person in the thread.
ATOBTTR
s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1833 Posts
May 26 2013 03:52 GMT
#2595
On May 26 2013 12:48 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2013 12:33 WaveofShadow wrote:
On May 26 2013 12:32 JarJarDrinks wrote:
I'm not really sure what Solstice is trying to say w/ his numbers cause it makes no sense to me. The fact that DL was scum makes Marv look damn good IMO. Why in the world would he fight so hard to keep DL in the noose if he was scum?

Solstice, are you trying to say that scum would actually prefer to get one of their own lynched instead of the SK? That's insane.

Are you fucking kidding me right now JJD?
He didn't have to do shit to keep DI in the noose. You think it was because of marv that the vote to lynch him was unanimous?
Marv pointed out all the math. Like a bunch of us were discussing whether or not it would have been a better play to try and lynch scum instead of DL. Marv was the one who explained exactly why that was a worse play.


...and he would have done the same thing as scum, because he knew Dandel was lying and it was a bad lynch for town.
ATOBTTR
s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1833 Posts
May 26 2013 16:14 GMT
#2609
On May 26 2013 23:47 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 26 2013 12:11 WaveofShadow wrote:
On May 26 2013 12:04 s0Lstice wrote:
On my phone atm.

Your filter looks fine DP, but your reads and mine right now are so opposite that I have to wonder. Like I said earlier, I'm having to find scum from a bunch of former town reads.

I'm frustrated because if there 4 scum like we think (probably are, dandels play makes no sense otherwise), then town has effectively already lost this game.

I really do think marv is scum. If anyone, he should have been the voice of reason during the whole bh thing. He even said in the mason qt that there was a perfectly townie reason for the slip, and that was that BH literally didn't give a shit about the game when it happened....enough that he didn't know how many people were in the game. I made the mistake of assuming that he would at least know its a 16 player game he was in.

Let me ask you something else. Was it obvious to you that iamp was a town mason? On night 1, iamp dies and you are roleblocked dp. Is it more likely that the scum team saw iamps claim and switched targets (plus the roleblock) in the 7 minutes they had, or that they knew the entire time because marv is scum.

After the slip, the first thing marv did in thread was nitpick a tiny semantics issue in something I posted. He didn't even care to read what I said right, despite saying to iamp in mason qt that everyone should keep an eye on me. Is this town marv to you? BH scumslips, kind of a big deal, and he puts it aside to talk about something inconsequential. He doesn't even comment definitively on the slip until you drag it out of him dp.

There's been other times too where he's had uncharacteristic reading comprehension errors. It just doesn't seem like town marv to me.


This. I had actually come up with this point myself because if we take that factor alone, it honestly seems more likely that scum already knew about the mason than picked him up with like 5 min to go until deadline.
Again, I'm not convinced that marv is scum atm, but that's a pretty big point against him right now. I was willing to throw all reasonable doubt aside at that point in the game because like you said, DP, he really did appear to be a shining example of all that town stands for, but marv's seeming lack of caring about the game recently has forced me to think about these things.

He is by no means my primary scumread atm, that honour still goes to JJD right now, but I would very much like for him to come back and show us why he isn't scum.


This is absolute nonsense. It's quite the opposite. Go read the QT with iamp, halfway through the day he asked me if he should out himself as mason to the thread to see what reactions he got, and I told him not to. It would rather be in my interest as mafia to have iamp out himself in the middle of the night, and he god-damn offered to do it. Your thinking here is *way* off.


Pretty sure scum you would have told him to wait as well. Otherwise you're in the shit when he gets NK'd because you advocated for a blue to reveal himself early for no reason.
ATOBTTR
s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1833 Posts
May 26 2013 16:17 GMT
#2611
On May 26 2013 23:53 marvellosity wrote:
Now this SK thing is weird. Does/did/do mafia actually have 2 kp and there isn't an SK?

Given the SK actually ISN'T Dandel, the shot(s) last night make zero sense. Why wasn't the SK shooting for mafia? (i.e Dandel!)


Aside from the OP thing pointed out, when you wrote this, what were you thinking the motivation was for Dandel to claim scum? Like, he doesn't do it unless it helps his team in some way. Really the only way it helps his team is if there is an SK, no?
ATOBTTR
s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1833 Posts
May 26 2013 16:23 GMT
#2613
On May 27 2013 01:19 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 01:17 s0Lstice wrote:
On May 26 2013 23:53 marvellosity wrote:
Now this SK thing is weird. Does/did/do mafia actually have 2 kp and there isn't an SK?

Given the SK actually ISN'T Dandel, the shot(s) last night make zero sense. Why wasn't the SK shooting for mafia? (i.e Dandel!)


Aside from the OP thing pointed out, when you wrote this, what were you thinking the motivation was for Dandel to claim scum? Like, he doesn't do it unless it helps his team in some way. Really the only way it helps his team is if there is an SK, no?


There is like no upside to losing a mafia member that I can think of. He basically claimed mafia when he laughed at BH flipping town; SK could have shot at Dandel there and then (and should have *shakes fist*). At which point the game would still absolutely be in town's hands


This is exactly what I mean. It only takes a little critical thinking to see that the only way Dandel's play makes sense is for there to be an SK...but instead you ruminate about there being no SK and 2 mafia kp? It's like you didn't really consider it critically at all. You so scummy marv <3
ATOBTTR
s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1833 Posts
May 26 2013 16:27 GMT
#2615
Why not? Dandel claiming SK made sure we lynched scum and not the SK yesterday. We already talked about how the most optimal lynch for town yesterday was to off the SK, as it could get us to 5-4 with some luck. Now the best we can hope for is 4-3-1.
ATOBTTR
s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1833 Posts
May 26 2013 16:46 GMT
#2620
You make me very tired Marv.

After BH's flip, we were at 7-4-1. If the SK kills Dandel, the numbers are 6-3-1 for today. Instead we are at 5-4-1 presumably. Now I'm asking because I really don't know...is 6-3-1 or 5-4-1 better for an SK? If 5-4-1 is better, or near enough to make no difference, then the SK doesn't have any special motivation to kill Dandel even with a scum claim.
ATOBTTR
s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1833 Posts
May 26 2013 16:54 GMT
#2623
On May 27 2013 01:48 DarthPunk wrote:
OK I want to lynch s0lstice like 100 percent. he is NOT shutting up with this number b/s on top of all the other shit.

If i die lynch s0lstice for guaranteed scum lynch.


The numbers are important to figuring out why Dandel did what he did. He sacced himself, and there had to be a reason.

I feel like talismania right now a little. Hilarious.
ATOBTTR
s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1833 Posts
May 26 2013 17:07 GMT
#2628
On May 26 2013 06:03 s0Lstice wrote:
Sooo he knew he was on top of the chopping block to be lynched...and claimed SK to buy himself another/many days if we could be sold on keeping the SK alive.


should have stopped here I guess! It's much simpler then the la la land I went off in to.

No, I'm not SK Marv. This is literally the first time I've had to think about what an SK does in a game. There may have been one in LVI?...but scum killed me N1.
ATOBTTR
s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1833 Posts
May 26 2013 17:08 GMT
#2630
On May 27 2013 02:06 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 02:03 marvellosity wrote:
s0lstice is probably SK lol


Why do you say that?


Marv thinks:

SK playing dumb-->s0Lstice is dumb about SK's-->SK is s0Lstice


ATOBTTR
s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1833 Posts
May 26 2013 17:18 GMT
#2633
On May 27 2013 02:10 DarthPunk wrote:
Serial killer or scum. We should lynch s0lstice.


You'll be lynching another townie. How much of this is because I called you scum?
ATOBTTR
s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1833 Posts
May 26 2013 17:36 GMT
#2635
On May 27 2013 02:26 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2013 02:18 s0Lstice wrote:
On May 27 2013 02:10 DarthPunk wrote:
Serial killer or scum. We should lynch s0lstice.


You'll be lynching another townie. How much of this is because I called you scum?


a bit. but I was calling you out before that.


as I recall, the only thing you said before I called you scum was that you had no strong opinions on me either way, and were therefore nervous I was scum. Since then, I called you scum, and talked about numbers and the SK. After another ragey Marv walkthrough, I ended up being wrong more than I was right, but that doesn't make me scum. It makes me someone who is trying to figure out what Dandel was doing. Like I said, I've never really had to think about how an SK plays until now. Thought I had it...but oops. I'll know better for next time.
ATOBTTR
s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1833 Posts
May 26 2013 22:55 GMT
#2649
Weird new interface, bleh

I was roleblocked.
ATOBTTR
s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1833 Posts
May 26 2013 22:58 GMT
#2651
Yea. I think stutters thought I was the SK. Going on offense and ending up playing defense.
ATOBTTR
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