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WaveofShadow

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May 23 2013 21:40 GMT

#2322

On May 24 2013 06:33 marvellosity wrote:

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We can't know that. How is anyone supposed to know the answer to that? What are you doing?

I'm not familiar with how fakeclaiming in games normally works. If it's impossible to know the answer to that or it changes from game to game them I'm probably just being a fucking idiot again.
I guess we lynch regardless based on the numbers alone?
##Vote: Dandel Ion

WaveofShadow

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May 23 2013 21:42 GMT

#2325

On May 24 2013 06:41 marvellosity wrote:
The only way the game is definitely in our hands is to lynch Dandel

on the flipside, we could lose by lynching Dandel

the choices aren't pretty

How do we lose? If he's town?

WaveofShadow

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May 23 2013 21:47 GMT

#2330

On May 24 2013 06:42 marvellosity wrote:
If it's 5-4-1 right now we lose by lynching him for obvious reasons

How the fuck could it be 5-4-1?
Is that balanced?
I feel like I asked that a while ago.

WaveofShadow

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May 23 2013 21:48 GMT

#2331

Like, can you really have that many anti-town elements in play?
Ugh there's still so much about game setup that I have no fucking clue about.

Marv do you just want to lynch him and hope we don't endgame ourselves then, is that what you're saying?

WaveofShadow

Canada31494 Posts

May 23 2013 21:51 GMT

#2335

On May 24 2013 06:49 marvellosity wrote:
Well, SK balance is a funny thing.

11-4-1 could be balanced, because an SK is assumed to try to balance the teams out if town are lynching town.

however our SK is making the game even more lopsided.

it's hard to say.

Oh I never thought about it that way...yeah SK is technically anti-town but also anti-mafia if conditions are right I suppose.

So what then today, we ignore Dandel and find mafia?
I remember wanting to ask GK a bunch of things but I don't know if he's actually quit the thread or not.

WaveofShadow

Canada31494 Posts

May 24 2013 02:22 GMT

#2367

Alright fuck this silence.
Do we know who the scumteam is right now? Because I don't understand why the fuck our activity is so low and why I'm always one of the fucking last ones around to try and rally people. (Actually I do know, it's 'cause apparently I still suck at this)

Vayne you want to actually explain your reads on me and marv or something? I don't know what a dumbtell is.

SOMEBODY TALK TO ME

WaveofShadow

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May 24 2013 03:39 GMT

#2371

On May 24 2013 12:10 s0Lstice wrote:
WoS

I'm on my phone right now. I'm going to be totally free tomorrow evening and I'm gonna put in some work on the filters. I want to win this game.

I feel good that you are town, at the very least. Am I town to you?

I think so?
I have no fucking clue what to believe honestly. If I go with my earlier scumreads minus Dandel for SK then all I've got are JJD and I'm not even sure of GK anymore, though I have no clue what to do if he doesn't even come back to the fucking thread and participate.

Clearly there are people who are skirting by with nothing or people who are 'assumed town' who are clearly not. I'm going to have to do a whole bunch of re-re-re-re-reading.
I will be around all day tomorrow again to talk if anyone wants to actually figure this game out.

WaveofShadow

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May 24 2013 14:17 GMT

#2398

Imo right now we should be looking for scum and not speculating over endgame scenarios. Either way we're going to have to find scum at some point and we can come to a decision whether or not to lynch Dandel later on. Doesn't make sense to waste the day with this.

Starting my reads now. If people want to talk, I'm around.

WaveofShadow

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May 24 2013 14:32 GMT

#2400

On May 24 2013 23:28 Dandel Ion wrote:
I can't withhold shots. Like, really not.

They can be roleblocked though.

Which means that for me to operate optimally I'll have to decide whether to aim my shots 100% at either town or at mafia, thus forcing either JK or scum RB to camp me every night.

Then I'll float around in the limbo.

At least that's what I figured when I did the math n shit previously.

So that's my plan if I don't get lynched, lel

btw scum will never shoot me. wtf. that would be so dumb.

So, you guys ready to lynch scum yet?

How will you even know?

WaveofShadow

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May 24 2013 14:39 GMT

#2404

On May 24 2013 23:36 s0Lstice wrote:
It technically shouldn't matter WoS, until the JK and RB are gone, they are respectively going to block his KP when the situation warrants him shooting the corresponding side

So what, essentially it becomes like a game of chicken? Is there a way we can force mafia to use their RB while we leave JK free?

WaveofShadow

Canada31494 Posts

May 24 2013 14:40 GMT

#2405

And on that note, if we are now assuming mafia RB to exist does that make GK town?

WaveofShadow

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May 24 2013 16:12 GMT

#2424

SO, LOOKING FOR SCUM
GK comes back to announce a RB and then disappears until tomorrow at whch point he will 'solve the game.'
I really don't know what to make of this.
After his rant the other day I was beginning to think he was town despite the meta cases looking good against him because I know what it feels like to have people jump down your throat every game, and that post is a reaction I could see myself resorting to. I have been wrong about this sort of read before (Clarity in LXI) so I don't know if I can trust those gut feels though.

At this point I almost feel like if we can finally discern what the fuck is going on with GK we'll be that much closer to figuring all this shit out. Would anyone like to discuss?

WaveofShadow

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May 24 2013 16:18 GMT

#2426

On May 25 2013 01:14 marvellosity wrote:

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This is true, the problem is killing Dandel is still the right play even if we pinned him as 100% mafia right now.

I've got 45 minutes till I'm off work so happy to talk about anything GK-related in the meantime. I'm open for questions

This is a familiar situation between us, marv.
It bothers me a little that we've had these discussions multiple times yet pretty much nothing has come of it every time we do it, but whatever.

I don't think anyone commented on GK's rant post. Did you have any thoughts?

WaveofShadow

Canada31494 Posts

May 24 2013 16:19 GMT

#2427

On May 25 2013 01:14 marvellosity wrote:

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This is true, the problem is killing Dandel is still the right play even if we pinned him as 100% mafia right now.

I've got 45 minutes till I'm off work so happy to talk about anything GK-related in the meantime. I'm open for questions

And wait, what?

WaveofShadow

Canada31494 Posts

May 24 2013 16:27 GMT

#2432

On May 25 2013 01:23 marvellosity wrote:
if there are any holes in that, I'm all ears

You're assuming that mafia don't already know who JK is.
If Dandel is telling the truth it's reasonable to assume that they might know as well (does anyone here know? I think I might have an idea).
Also if he is telling the truth considering the way he's been playing all game, is it likely that he'd actually completely fuck us (and maybe himself) by revealing the JK's identity?

WaveofShadow

Canada31494 Posts

May 24 2013 16:31 GMT

#2436

On May 25 2013 01:25 marvellosity wrote:

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The biggest thing that we know NOW at the time we didn't at the time of GK's rant post, is that Spicy, his main (I think?) suspicion is dead.

Do you remember earlier in the game, when he said the main difference between town GK and mafia GK is that mafia GK has shit reads? well...........

See this is more meta shit though and I am having a lot of trouble taking it all at face value as it seems almost everything directed at him is solely based on meta (aside from his decidedly odd play during this game). Is it likely that's he'd out himself like this if he knew how Spicy was going to flip?

ALso marv do you have anything to say about the CONTENT of his rant post?

Also what did you mean by 'even if Dandel is 100% mafia?'

WaveofShadow

Canada31494 Posts

May 24 2013 16:39 GMT

#2442

On May 25 2013 01:33 marvellosity wrote:
Wave, "him" in that scenario was GK, not Dandel.

Oh ok. Syntactic ambiguity.

On May 25 2013 01:35 marvellosity wrote:

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On May 25 2013 01:32 marvellosity wrote:

On May 25 2013 01:31 WaveofShadow wrote:

On May 25 2013 01:25 marvellosity wrote:

On May 25 2013 01:18 WaveofShadow wrote:

On May 25 2013 01:14 marvellosity wrote:

On May 25 2013 01:12 WaveofShadow wrote:
SO, LOOKING FOR SCUM
GK comes back to announce a RB and then disappears until tomorrow at whch point he will 'solve the game.'
I really don't know what to make of this.
After his rant the other day I was beginning to think he was town despite the meta cases looking good against him because I know what it feels like to have people jump down your throat every game, and that post is a reaction I could see myself resorting to. I have been wrong about this sort of read before (Clarity in LXI) so I don't know if I can trust those gut feels though.

At this point I almost feel like if we can finally discern what the fuck is going on with GK we'll be that much closer to figuring all this shit out. Would anyone like to discuss?

This is a familiar situation between us, marv.
It bothers me a little that we've had these discussions multiple times yet pretty much nothing has come of it every time we do it, but whatever.

I don't think anyone commented on GK's rant post. Did you have any thoughts?

This isn't "meta shit". This is GK's *own* description of his play. In *this* game.

sorry, i should add that 'outing himself like this' devolves quite a lot into wifom.

But I want to look at this just a little. Is that a likely thing for mafia to say knowing the direction he was heading?

WaveofShadow

Canada31494 Posts

May 24 2013 16:43 GMT

#2448

On May 25 2013 01:40 marvellosity wrote:

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On May 25 2013 01:39 WaveofShadow wrote:

On May 25 2013 01:33 marvellosity wrote:
Wave, "him" in that scenario was GK, not Dandel.

Oh ok. Syntactic ambiguity.

On May 25 2013 01:35 marvellosity wrote:

On May 25 2013 01:32 marvellosity wrote:

On May 25 2013 01:31 WaveofShadow wrote:

On May 25 2013 01:25 marvellosity wrote:

On May 25 2013 01:18 WaveofShadow wrote:

On May 25 2013 01:14 marvellosity wrote:

This is a familiar situation between us, marv.
It bothers me a little that we've had these discussions multiple times yet pretty much nothing has come of it every time we do it, but whatever.

I don't think anyone commented on GK's rant post. Did you have any thoughts?

This isn't "meta shit". This is GK's *own* description of his play. In *this* game.

sorry, i should add that 'outing himself like this' devolves quite a lot into wifom.

But I want to look at this just a little. Is that a likely thing for mafia to say knowing the direction he was heading?

if GK is mafia he's the most suspicious mafia out of all the mafia who exist. So yes, why not. This argument is a bad one because they can just kill Spicy and have someone use this argument in his favour.

Alright I see that. You say that GK is the most suspicious out of those who exist (if mafia). Do you have any other reads atm or anyone you'd like to discuss?

WaveofShadow

Canada31494 Posts

May 24 2013 17:42 GMT

#2463

On May 25 2013 02:41 Stutters695 wrote:
Are there any instances of 3p kp being factional or is that a non-factor?

......wtf?

WaveofShadow

Canada31494 Posts

May 24 2013 19:00 GMT

#2471

On May 25 2013 02:58 Stutters695 wrote:

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Like how mafia occasionally has kp that no one actually carries out so you can't RB to stop it. I don't see how DIs wincon is attainable like this and it bothers me.

Ok I sort of understand what you were getting at.
I'm pretty sure SK kills are always blockable, and yeah his claim was supposedly to create some sort of a scenario in which he could play both sides against each other to a possible win. I've never seen that work out before though (OO in one of my NMM games tried this and failed, 3P won in LX witout claiming).

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