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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
May 20 2013 08:31 GMT
#1519
On May 20 2013 17:29 DarthPunk wrote:
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On May 20 2013 17:26 yamato77 wrote:
You forgetting about the scum masoner possibility does seem like something a scum player wouldn't do.

I want to know more about your reads before I write you off. For starters, tell me why you masoned marv.


Of course he is not going to talk about a scum masoner if he is a scum masoner.

How likely is it that a scum masoner has the presence of mind to omit the existence if his own role when considering how to make himself confirmed town to the thread?

If he did this, he's better at scum than I thought.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
May 20 2013 08:32 GMT
#1520
On May 20 2013 17:31 Blazinghand wrote:
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On May 20 2013 17:26 yamato77 wrote:
You forgetting about the scum masoner possibility does seem like something a scum player wouldn't do.

I want to know more about your reads before I write you off. For starters, tell me why you masoned marv.


Basically, I came into night 1 with 3 big townreads: DP, Marv, and (to an extent) Iamp. I decided I needed to mason someone who A) is almost certainly town and B) I can work well with. A) is because I want it to be clear I was in fact a masoner. B) is so that, well, I'm using my skill in a worthwhile way.

I decided that since the Iamp read is based on meta, and DP and I rarely interact well, I'd be best off going with Marv. Admittedly there was a risk to it since Marv and I have clashed once or twice recently (LXI), but Marv likes winning games of mafia more than he likes fighting with me, so I figured it was my best bet.

Why do you think Marv is so townie?

I do not share that opinion, necessarily.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
May 20 2013 08:42 GMT
#1526
I guess that's reasonable enough. I disagree with your reasoning, but I'm not pushing for a Marv lynch any time soon so that doesn't really matter.

Talk to me about GK. Any updated thoughts on him?
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
May 20 2013 08:44 GMT
#1529
On May 20 2013 17:39 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2013 17:31 yamato77 wrote:
On May 20 2013 17:29 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 20 2013 17:26 yamato77 wrote:
You forgetting about the scum masoner possibility does seem like something a scum player wouldn't do.

I want to know more about your reads before I write you off. For starters, tell me why you masoned marv.


Of course he is not going to talk about a scum masoner if he is a scum masoner.

How likely is it that a scum masoner has the presence of mind to omit the existence if his own role when considering how to make himself confirmed town to the thread?

If he did this, he's better at scum than I thought.


It's something I would do when fake claiming.

But that begs the question, if he's that precise, why is he also scumslipping in the same post? Don't those ideas seem mutually exclusive?
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
May 20 2013 08:49 GMT
#1530
DP, you can play this game, too. Talk to me about a scum read of yours that's not BH. Even if you're right and he's scum, he has 2 teammates.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
May 20 2013 16:45 GMT
#1658
On May 21 2013 01:11 marvellosity wrote:
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On May 21 2013 01:05 WaveofShadow wrote:
On May 21 2013 01:00 marvellosity wrote:
On May 21 2013 00:45 WaveofShadow wrote:
On May 21 2013 00:38 marvellosity wrote:
Probably not, no.

Helpful, thanks. So you feel that shutting down my line of questioning is the most effective way to be playing right now?
That's either scum action right there or you have some other reason for finding my questioning useless. I assume you're not going to explain what that is, either?

Why are you afraid to engage me in discussion, marv?


Sweetie, I'll never be afraid to engage you in discussion.

My point is "is he being a good little townie" is a different question to "is this guy mafia". That's the distinction I was trying to get at with my question (which you didn't understand by your counter-question). If you're struggling to see the town motivation in 'taunting' town as town, there's very little mafia motivation for it either, because it brings attention on yourself. Typical mafia MO is to blend in using whatever chosen method; usually "taunting" is not one, but your post said (to paraphrase) "why aren't we lynching dandel for taunting us, the taunting is more convincing as a mafia trait than BH's scumslip + reactions".

If all townies always played proper town-like, the game of mafia would be exceptionally easy.

Ok?

What, then, are your thoughts on Dandel right now? We have so much shit in this town doing nothing and the only one you seem to find it in your heart to defend is Dandel. Is it because you believe him to be town?

I feel like I have no idea what you're up to, marv. You do engage people in discussion and ask all sorts of questions but I don't know what you think of people.


The irony of it is, if it *wasn't* Dandel, I'd be quite confident his slot was town, because antagonistic, blaze players are usually town. But because it is Dandel, I'm not so sure about that read. I went over his filter earlier, and other than the weird shit-fest with me, I didn't find much particularly upsetting. His reads kinda make sense, and they are actually evolved and explained if you look past some of the weirdness.

Quite a lot depends on how he performs on Day 2 I guess.

I very clearly pointed out how this is blatantly not true, Marv.

You got some 'splainin' to do.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
May 20 2013 16:53 GMT
#1661
On May 21 2013 01:49 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2013 01:45 yamato77 wrote:
On May 21 2013 01:11 marvellosity wrote:
On May 21 2013 01:05 WaveofShadow wrote:
On May 21 2013 01:00 marvellosity wrote:
On May 21 2013 00:45 WaveofShadow wrote:
On May 21 2013 00:38 marvellosity wrote:
Probably not, no.

Helpful, thanks. So you feel that shutting down my line of questioning is the most effective way to be playing right now?
That's either scum action right there or you have some other reason for finding my questioning useless. I assume you're not going to explain what that is, either?

Why are you afraid to engage me in discussion, marv?


Sweetie, I'll never be afraid to engage you in discussion.

My point is "is he being a good little townie" is a different question to "is this guy mafia". That's the distinction I was trying to get at with my question (which you didn't understand by your counter-question). If you're struggling to see the town motivation in 'taunting' town as town, there's very little mafia motivation for it either, because it brings attention on yourself. Typical mafia MO is to blend in using whatever chosen method; usually "taunting" is not one, but your post said (to paraphrase) "why aren't we lynching dandel for taunting us, the taunting is more convincing as a mafia trait than BH's scumslip + reactions".

If all townies always played proper town-like, the game of mafia would be exceptionally easy.

Ok?

What, then, are your thoughts on Dandel right now? We have so much shit in this town doing nothing and the only one you seem to find it in your heart to defend is Dandel. Is it because you believe him to be town?

I feel like I have no idea what you're up to, marv. You do engage people in discussion and ask all sorts of questions but I don't know what you think of people.


The irony of it is, if it *wasn't* Dandel, I'd be quite confident his slot was town, because antagonistic, blaze players are usually town. But because it is Dandel, I'm not so sure about that read. I went over his filter earlier, and other than the weird shit-fest with me, I didn't find much particularly upsetting. His reads kinda make sense, and they are actually evolved and explained if you look past some of the weirdness.

Quite a lot depends on how he performs on Day 2 I guess.

I very clearly pointed out how this is blatantly not true, Marv.

You got some 'splainin' to do.


No, you made a post trumpeting your own opinion which you now hold to be 100% true even though it's totally subjective to you and contains gems such as "dandel doesn't sheep" when he sheeps multiple times each game as town.

The only read of his that was well-developed at all was GK and he dropped it ON A DIME just because the "lynch wasn't happening".

The rest of his reads are one-liners. His play lately has been abhorrent and he obviously doesn't care about town. You can't just say "Oh that's your opinion," when the dude is lazy and scummy.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
May 20 2013 16:55 GMT
#1662
I mean, if Dandel were town, wouldn't you expect him to be playing differently? Doesn't Dandel usually have strong opinions as town? I'm not saying he never sheeps, but doesn't it seems off to you that he's been playing "follow the Marv" the whole game?
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
May 20 2013 17:10 GMT
#1665
His suspicion on JJD is not well-explained by any stretch of the imagination.

On May 18 2013 08:46 Dandel Ion wrote:
JJD looks like a decent lynch. I'd sheep that.


On May 18 2013 09:55 Dandel Ion wrote:
I'm mainly interested in lynching jjd and gk atm.

What has been said about jdd has been said, and he hasn't said anything.


Yeah, no.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
May 20 2013 17:22 GMT
#1667
All that second post proves is that he was closely following thread sentiment.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
May 20 2013 18:36 GMT
#1672
If I get shot, there are only a few things I want town to think about tomorrow.

1) Don't just auto-default to lynching BH because of the "scumslip". Whether he is actually mafia or not, this is terrible play. I'm not saying don't lynch him, just don't lynch him and do nothing else. If you do lynch him and he flips red, but not mason, immediately lynch Marv. This should go without saying.

2) Don't sleep on the "towniest" players this game. If one of Marv/DP suddenly becomes less interested in this game later on and we've mislynched consecutively, strongly reconsider your reads. They are more than capable of appearing active and pro-town as mafia. I feel its unlikely that either is mafia, but the possibility exists.

3) Pressure low-activity and low-involvement players like Dandel Ion until they contribute, or flat out lynch them. Sometimes, the best places to find mafia is among the low-hanging fruit. Don't just bandwagon on active players and cannibalize yourselves. Anyone you have a null read on, you need to be pressing for information. Try to make conclusions about their alignment.

4) Consider my reads when you're forming yours for day 2. Notably, I think that Dandel and GoodKarma are people to look at tomorrow. I've outlined Dandel already, so I'll explain my read on GK. While he explained his suspicions well, it's somewhat difficult to discern GK's true alignment. He seems to be sharply following thread sentiment. I can't reason which of his games he looks more like this game. Solstice made what I feel is a valid point in that he does seem to be continually defending his position, which is in line with my overview of his scum meta.

5) Try not to lose this game for me, please. I hate losing.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
May 21 2013 03:00 GMT
#1816
I have to seriously think about what the Rayn kill means before I do anything today.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
May 21 2013 07:15 GMT
#1828
I really don't understand the Rayn shot. It doesn't make a lot of sense to me as a scum kill. Seems more like a 3P kill, given that there were more dangerous players alive who seemed more universal as townreads. If we flip BH, it practically confirms this suspicion, and it does make BH look quite terrible if I trust my analysis.

IDK man, this game is hard. If BH flips town I'm really going to be upset.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
May 21 2013 07:30 GMT
#1831
Yeah, I guess we just lynch BH.

At this point, he's as good as confirmed mafia.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
May 21 2013 08:06 GMT
#1834
You might as well write a last will. By no means am I going to fight your lynch.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
May 21 2013 19:42 GMT
#1914
I like the ides of lynching BH/GK/DI all in order. Scummy fucks are scummy.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
May 21 2013 20:08 GMT
#1917
On May 22 2013 05:03 marvellosity wrote:
Thanks for that insight yamato, you're a star.

Only the best <3
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
May 21 2013 20:09 GMT
#1918
Note, I've already given my reasons for wanting to lynch all three of those people, Marv.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
May 21 2013 20:33 GMT
#1921
On May 22 2013 05:29 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2013 05:09 yamato77 wrote:
Note, I've already given my reasons for wanting to lynch all three of those people, Marv.


Best not engage in any of the other discourse then!

What discourse?

I see a bunch of discussion about the same people I'm suspicious of. Unless I want to argue more with you about Dandel this is really not interesting.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
May 21 2013 20:45 GMT
#1923
On May 22 2013 05:40 marvellosity wrote:
There's been quite a lot of conversation about JJD. Missed it?

Am I supposed to have an opinion on him?
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