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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
May 19 2013 07:04 GMT
#1040
Ugh, BH, you make me angry.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
May 19 2013 09:31 GMT
#1047
Looking at Dandel, and most of his filter is useless shit. The only posts he actually gives reads in are here:

On May 18 2013 08:46 Dandel Ion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2013 08:40 Blazinghand wrote:
On May 18 2013 08:39 marvellosity wrote:
Let's put it this way Blazing. Stutters is always a useless pile of shit. literally always.

i've seen you in recent games say "if you can't support this case with meta, your case sucks".

can you?


if he's a kushm4sta, then my case on him isn't valid. I'll go dive some meta then.

If you just want to make him look like a good lynch, look at MtG, that was his towniest game I've seen so far.

If you want to actually look at meta, look at other games too.

So, "literally always" is technically incorrect, but so far I've seen nothing in this game stutters hasn't done before.

I don't really see the point in comparing meta when he hasn't been scum so far, I tend to get burned on meta arguments that say "he's not doing shit he does as town". I mean, that ain't stopping me, but still.


JJD looks like a decent lynch. I'd sheep that.


On May 18 2013 09:55 Dandel Ion wrote:
fuck marv is probably actually town
sad day

iamp totally confirmed town because

vayne was all the rage a few pages back, but he seems to actually believe in what he says (this is consistent with a dude that builds bt and qss as a core, lol), so I dunno, I feel like he would care more about how he looks and adapt (to tl) as scum
I have like nothing to base this on, but I mean, the dude called somebody else a newbie when he just finished playing in an actual newbie game days ago.
I find not giving a fuck generally a townie thing to do. I'm fine with waiting for whatever nightaction information the dude thinks he needs to actually play the game for now.
( I still have no idea what he's doing though )

I really like how blazing reacted to vayne, and I pretty much agree with this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=410972&currentpage=17#330
Although I am hesitant about the shooting part, but I can't and won't tell you why! Best reasoning NA.

I'm mainly interested in lynching jjd and gk atm.

What has been said about jdd has been said, and he hasn't said anything.

GK because his case on stutters (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=410972&currentpage=16#320) is based on a serious misrepresentation of stutters' post, trying to point out a inconsistency in stutters posting that was not actually one. (stutters pointed out he's never been scum, gk somehow turned that into an inconsistency regarding meta)
I don't think stutters responded yet and I usually prefer people doing that before i butt in, but I am a realist and it's stutters, so nope.

In total, it just looks way too much like an "easy" case scum loves to do on an inactive/bad (or both!) townie and it gives me the jeebers.


Rest is variying shades of null + Show Spoiler +
although I'd like to jot down that if gk is mafia, then solstice is town. Just so I remember this if (/when? :O ) gk flips. Feel free to ignore cuz associations, nobody yet flipped, etcetc~


aaaaand that should be about it.

Okay, going to sleep. Toodles.


On May 18 2013 21:58 Dandel Ion wrote:
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On May 18 2013 21:09 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 18 2013 21:04 Dandel Ion wrote:
On May 18 2013 20:59 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 18 2013 20:37 Dandel Ion wrote:
DP, going against the starsenses is a dangerous endeavor.

I require you to find a game where grush "fakeclaims" starsenses as scum. Until then, I'm not lynching him.


I've done more than my share by diving every game of his for the past 10 months. The way he claimed star senses this game is clearly different.

I remember him only claiming it after being under pressure before.

And at the end of the day, it's still a meta argument on things that are different than his usual townplay, not things that are like his usual scumplay. These are often bad and wrong arguments.

Do you actually think he's scum, or do you just want to policy-lynch him?


His last scum game was ages ago and before he started using STARSENSES every game. so there is no scum meta to compare to.
And the difference between his starsenses claims are pretty clear if you read my post or the filters I linked.

Regardless WoS is the leading wagon atm what are your opinions of him?

My point exactly.

I could get behind a Wave lynch. I would have expected him to do something townie by now.


It's worth noting that Dandel is not breaking any new ground here. Most of his reads, especially the scum ones, seem in line with thread sentiment. It's also worth noting that he really fails to explain his suspicion of WoS or JJD beyond one or two sentences.

His suspicion of GK is the most fleshed out, but while he seems to like that lynch, I think he is more preoccupied with following the lynches led by town than actually finding mafia on his own. I know town Dandel to be particularly headstrong, and I do not feel that sheeping is a common tactic in his scum hunting repertoire.

Aside from these posts, most of his filter could be entirely ignored. I really feel like he isn't involved in the game, and his effort put forth in finding scum is exceptionally pathetic. It makes me wonder why Cora, a person who was one of the last to sign up and one who seemed interested, replaced out. Did Cora not want to play mafia, perhaps?

If we're not lynching BH, I'd like to lynch Dandel. It's late in the day for a case but I no longer feel like anyone else we've discussed is a particularly appealing lynch unless we default to lynching a lurker in sputnik. GK is so much on the fence for me, and we're obviously not lynching a mason-BH on day 1, plus WoS seems particularly townish on a reread.

If you disagree, offer up a consolidated case on someone else. I'm going to sleep and I won't have time before the deadline tomorrow to do any more in depth reading, so make it easy for me. Until further notice, I am voting Dandel.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
May 19 2013 09:41 GMT
#1048
On May 18 2013 07:15 VayneAuthority wrote:
Also I dont want to lynch him because I hate lynching day one, accidentally bringing out a PR role is literally such a bad start that it can be almost impossible to recover from if its a strong role. Also take into account simple probability, whats the chances of us finding scum based on no real evidence? 25%. I would never take those chances would you?

One thing I thought of just a moment ago:

How does Vayne know the ration of town:scum? We are not told in the OP. Scumslip?
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
May 19 2013 09:55 GMT
#1049
WoS, I expect more from you. You're posting in other threads just fine. Make your thoughts known lest I change my mind.

Seriously, now I'm out.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
May 19 2013 17:23 GMT
#1128
So I've read the thread, and I still want to kill Dandel.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
May 19 2013 17:31 GMT
#1131
Marv, let's lynch Dandel.

He's not even trying.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
May 19 2013 17:36 GMT
#1132
On May 19 2013 23:55 Dandel Ion wrote:
gk not happening anymore?

If so then I'm in favor of a jjd lynch.

After tunneling GK a bit more, he comes out with this.

I hate these posts. They smell like scum.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
May 19 2013 17:44 GMT
#1137
lamp, let's lynch Dandel.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
May 19 2013 17:48 GMT
#1140
On May 20 2013 02:44 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2013 02:44 yamato77 wrote:
lamp, let's lynch Dandel.

not crazy about that lynch very much at all

Iamp confirmed scum.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
May 19 2013 18:09 GMT
#1142
Iamp, why don't you like the Dandel lynch?
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
May 19 2013 18:13 GMT
#1144
Solstice, do you like the Dandel lynch?

If not, why?
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
May 19 2013 18:16 GMT
#1146
So you like a lurker lynch over a sheep lynch?

When do you know Dandel to not have strong opinions in the game?
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
May 19 2013 18:43 GMT
#1154
I'll agree with you, GK, Spicy is suspect. That sputnik read of his is particularly scummy.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
May 19 2013 19:12 GMT
#1159
I feel good about a Spicy lynch. He fits the bill of flying under the radar. I like it. If you guys aren't sheeping me, we can do the Dino.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
May 19 2013 19:15 GMT
#1160
Lynch is in an hour. Make your decisions. I'm leaving and I won't be back for a while.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
May 19 2013 20:26 GMT
#1222
Marv, who are you voting for?
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
May 19 2013 20:32 GMT
#1229
On May 20 2013 05:31 marvellosity wrote:
ok I don't wanna kill Spicy. Kill the dickhead who was enthusiastic to play pre-game but has only posted shit and excuses once the game started.

yes?

Who is that, BH?

Don't believe his claim?
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
May 19 2013 20:32 GMT
#1232
On May 20 2013 05:31 Blazinghand wrote:
yeah i'm not voting spicy dino if the entire case against him is "he made a mistake that literally makes him look more townie"

No, it's also that he called a guy a scumread when in that very post, he was talking about him FLIPPING TOWN.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
May 19 2013 20:35 GMT
#1237
On May 20 2013 05:34 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2013 05:32 yamato77 wrote:
On May 20 2013 05:31 Blazinghand wrote:
yeah i'm not voting spicy dino if the entire case against him is "he made a mistake that literally makes him look more townie"

No, it's also that he called a guy a scumread when in that very post, he was talking about him FLIPPING TOWN.


In the post where he attacks jarjar and/or WoS he seems to be saying he expects ST to flip town, and doesn't call ST a scumread.

Show nested quote +
On May 19 2013 11:19 Spicydinosaur wrote:
On May 19 2013 10:04 DarthPunk wrote:
On May 19 2013 09:26 Spicydinosaur wrote:
I'm reading raynpelikoneet as a shitty town. He claimed that GK was scum and supported it with a number of points in a couple of posts. This may not be the best argument but at least he's supporting his position.

On May 19 2013 03:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay, here is the case, Goodkarma:

- Shitty case on Stutters with backpedalling without explanation.
- Contradicting himself on grush, REALLY BAD! STARSENSEESSSSSS!
- His meta comparsion on Jarjar is false.
- His meta comparsion on me is false.
- His stance on WoS is that Wos plays town "bad" and here he is bad, so he is scum. Bad =/= scum.


On May 19 2013 03:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
GK:
- Do you know haw Jarjar plays? Did you explain why he is scum as he does what he does?
- About me. What games about me you have read?
- About grush. You say "So in other words, you will always be town when you say starsenses. And you haven't said starsenses this game. Further, you say you will try to counter you own meta from now on, meaning you weren't starting to as of this game..." Look at your argument. You are basically saying "you didn't claim STARSENSES, YOU ARE SCUM, BUT IF YOU DO, YOU ARE ALSO SCUM".

I don't need to tell you why you are wrong, you need to tell me why you are right. so quotes please. Make sure you quote me from my last (town) game where i said i'm working 12h/7d/week. And call me a lurker then.


However he then goes off the rails with iamperfection after he gives his quick view of the group.

On May 19 2013 07:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
9. s0Lstice-town for now- Since he dislikes sputnik and gk that seems good to me.

16. raynpelikoneet-null- wants to kill gk and sputnik makes him ok in my book bad activity though


Okay, this guy claimed scum.
##Unvote;
##Vote: iamperfection


ggyo


On May 19 2013 07:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
iamp, yamato, marm; i am involved, i am voting for iamp atm. he is calling one gut town and one guy null for same reasons. that is bullshit imo.

and marv. do not talk about martyring, you are the king of it. end of discussion.



This seems more like a impulse child vote than anything throwing a hissy fit because he feels his play is on a different level. There is a clear difference in the mentality that went into the voting of GK and iamp. Seems very spammy for spammy sake.


Who do you want to lynch. I agree with you on Rayn being shitty town. What I want to know is who is getting the noose. I suggest you take a look at sputnik for being a solid lynch for today.


I agree that Sputnik has posted absolutely nothing but garbage but I feel he should be shot by a vig and not lynched d1. I highly doubt his play is some grand scum plan that his scum buddies are comfortable with. Everyone could get behind a sputnik lynch because he's a shitty player. So if everyone agrees to lynch sputnik, what does that get us? More likely than not he'll show up as town, but everyone will have a solid defense for voting him.

I'm going to put my vote on WaveofShadow
His first few posts are complete spam. Then he sheeps on me about s0Lstice's meta game. A lot of his posts are full of self doubt and lack confidence.

On May 18 2013 04:37 WaveofShadow wrote:
On May 18 2013 04:28 grush57 wrote:
damnit sputnik you're playing textbook scum

VT claim too, quelle surprise.

ugh this is almost too easy, I'm feeling less good about it now. Whatever vote stays on 'till he gets back and actually contributes.



Jarjar on the other hand has posted some content, though very little. He's been the subject of attack a number of times but he has yet defended himself properly. Whether his in-activeness is due to RL or deliberate scum, I don't like it. I get the feeling he tried coasting D1 and got caught and really doesn't know what to do. His posts contain a lot of excuses which is scummy. I'm putting my vote on him.

##vote jarjardrinks



emphasis mine

You're not reading the thread, but that's fine.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
May 19 2013 20:37 GMT
#1243
Most day 1's end up like this, I guess.

I'm fine with a sputnik lynch if people are waffling on dino. Seems appropriate.
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