EPTokay...then what do you think is more likely then?
he's a newer town player that worries about how town views him, whether he is being helpful, whether he is pulling his weight? or he is scum who is worried about town cred because he is scum?
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s0Lstice
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okay...then what do you think is more likely then? he's a newer town player that worries about how town views him, whether he is being helpful, whether he is pulling his weight? or he is scum who is worried about town cred because he is scum? | ||
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s0Lstice
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On May 20 2013 22:39 JarJarDrinks wrote: All caught up. So BH scumslipped? I'm shocked. /end sarcasm FWIW, I don't it's unreasonable to think that DP is bussing here. He's trying to gain town cred for a lynch that almost happened yesterday. If they thought that BH was most likely gonna get lynched or vigged, it'd be a pretty good scum play IMO. I'm not saying I definately think it's true, but DP "catching" BH in scumslip when there are already several people suspecting BH doesn't make me think DP is any more likely to be town. JarJar, how did you read DP prior to the BH scumslip and why? | ||
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s0Lstice
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So I've been through the filters multiple times, I'm left feeling like the scum are in the following group: BH, grush, dandel, jar jar, GK. BH for the slip, grush for what I just said, dandel for his continued desire to do nothing to help the town, JarJar for his suddenly appearing scumread on a pretty town DP, and GK because his meta cases have been bad to the point of being fabrications. These reasons are coupled with process of elimination via town reads. The last two are pretty interchangeable right now...I still wanna see how JarJar and GK behave in day 2, and to be fair I had a townread on JarJar before this little exhange we just had. Now I'm not so sure. | ||
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s0Lstice
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On May 21 2013 00:58 Spicydinosaur wrote: If BH flips scum would you still think jarjar is scum? This has already been brought up. I haven't looked carefully at jar jar and bh's interchanges with, but nothing off hand that i remember says they couldn't be scum together. Ill look for closely when we actually have a scum flip. | ||
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s0Lstice
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I mean I'm not in his filter right now, but I don't remember DP repeatedly saying sputnik was probably town. | ||
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s0Lstice
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On May 21 2013 04:10 VayneAuthority wrote: GK: initially had a null read on him as he was causing discussion and pressuring people...then he makes that "didnt look at my role PM" post which is super scummy to me so I stop and look back at his filter. all he has been doing all game is pressuring lurkers trying to get one of them lynched. Some might say this is good play to get rid of the "trash" or whatever but to me its just an excuse to mislynch. I hate his filter. s0lstice: posted my reads on him a lot, just filter me WoS: Do not like how he is constantly going against what the popular opinion is and is too sure of things happening before they actually happen. My worst scrumread of the 4 but he intrigues me...also a lot of fluff posts. DL: never played with him before but im taking vets word on it that hes playing scummy and hes been pretty useless so far. even if he doesnt flip red I dont see why he would be useful to keep around. Maybe vig him instead of lynch is a better option. Why I retracted on stutters: At first I thought he was extremely suspicious for immediately wanting to jump on the first bandwagon of the day but then I realized that I doubt mafia would do it so early. As I said later in the day, we have to watch out for the people that bandwagon at the end, not at the beginning. He seems like just another sputnik to me, a low activity poster thats easy bait to mislynch. Waiting to see more from him. The bolded is actually a town tell. | ||
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s0Lstice
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do you believe that GK didn't check his role PM? | ||
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s0Lstice
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I'd like to hear about this some more: It's players like s0lstice we need to keep our eyes on. from the QT with iamp. What exactly is your read on me? | ||
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s0Lstice
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On May 21 2013 02:17 marvellosity wrote: This struck me as a valid point (perhaps because he was partially agreeing with me...) And this is a pretty devious post construction if he's mafia: You have to have a solid opinion on whether he actually checked his role PM or not at the time you made it, correct? | ||
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s0Lstice
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On May 21 2013 04:36 marvellosity wrote: Hmm, I found something that doesn't make GK look too hot. Here's his 2nd post in the game here, which I'll spoiler: + Show Spoiler + On May 18 2013 06:47 goodkarma wrote: I feel that Stutters's play so far has been scummy. First, he completely contradicts himself about his thoughts on meta: So he doesn't feel meta's important here. But: When it comes to excusing his lurky play, it matters. Also, I found this to be scummy: In other words, he's ready to sheep onto a Vayne lynch bandwaggon if it gains momentum. But he doesn't want to draw atttention to himself by putting down a vote. #Vote: Stutters I look forward to Stutters's response. If it is to be believed he's sometimes useful as town, then that's another scumtell as he's been nothing but useless thus far. Here's a couple of things he said in The Game. Highlights in bold and red are mine. The bolds are self-explanatory, and I bolded the red to explain it slightly - goodkarma is saying in this passage that it's important to push people for their motivations and thought processes, and thinks it's very important. Here he makes an early case on Stutters (despite saying last town-game he doesn't make early cases) and he never talked to him first about his thought processes. I would note at the end of his post in this thread he says "I look forward to Stutters response". But if we're to take his posts in The Game at face value, goodkarma likes to play by getting responses FIRST, voting LATER. | ||
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s0Lstice
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If you believe that GK did not check his PM, then you really can't treat anything he did before he said that as alignment indicative, right? Therefore, you should not be citing posts before that point. If you believe GK lied and did check the PM, then you should be calling for his lynch at the top of your lungs because there is no town motivation to lie about that. Ergo, if you are citing his posts that came before he said he didn't check his PM, an opinion is required on whether he was being truthful or not. | ||
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s0Lstice
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On May 19 2013 19:22 marvellosity wrote: Just caught up on 8 pages and my mind's all blank because I'm still absolutely fuming about the GK role PM thing. I kinda feel like Marv should have had an opinion on whether he was lying or not, if he was fuming about it. The quote I just posted implies that Marv thinks posts prior to GKs claim are alignment indicative-->so he therefore must think he is lying-->and therefore should really be telling us to lynch the liar for lying. | ||
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s0Lstice
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It was good enough to policy lynch there, but not here? | ||
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s0Lstice
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s0Lstice
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Are you following my reasoning here? Making a post painting GK in a bad light that cites posts that come prior to his claim of not reading his role PM requires SOME opinion on whether he checked his role PM. Citing those posts carries with it an assumption that GK was being truthful in his claim. I'm just not seeing how one could pursue GK without considering it, as it directly affects whether certain of his posts are alignment indicative. | ||
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s0Lstice
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 But you can go now. /ignore? really? just lol | ||
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s0Lstice
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if you are citing posts from before the claim, like you did to make him look scummy, then you are saying they are alignment indicative, and therefore he lied. done, lynch the liar. you can't cite posts from before the claim without dealing with the claim. you can't ignore it. | ||
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s0Lstice
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On May 21 2013 09:39 marvellosity wrote: I think not reading your role PM goes completely against the spirit of the game and I find it absolutely disgusting. In Red Team I joined Hapa's policy lynch on OO for a while when he said he didn't read his role PM without saying much about it before leaving it alone and not talking about it. I'm not wasting my time thinking about something that's basically the height of unsportsmanship. I see exactly what you are saying Marv, but I was concerning myself with his claim and you weren't. That was the rub. | ||
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