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I was looking at that too Marv.
His filter has a post on me which is loaded with 'this guy is scum' lines, which is then concluded by me being town.
He had big townread post on Rayn, seemingly for no reason
He had the WoS/JarJar CnP error. I'm not sure we can make sense of his intention there, but the important thing is I don't think he has explained it adequately to the thread. I'd be ok with it if he cared enough to make it make sense.
Then there's the scumread on sputnik that concludes with him being town, which he parlays into a scum read on GK. If his scum read on GK is based on misrepresentation of his scum reads, then that read goes to pot too per our discussion....GK had it right, and Spicy flubbed in explaining that as well.
We're left with a read on JarJar for scumhunting? Yea I dunno, doesn't sit right. I think he knows better too. There's no explanation for him knowing less than he did in his first game.
I'm doing this.
##vote Spicydinosaur
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a little more on that...before I thought the absolute lack of care/editing in his post was more of a town tell. when you misrepresent information in the thread though, a different light gets cast on those occurrences.
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On May 20 2013 05:15 marvellosity wrote:bet you a billion we're thinking exactly the same thing right now.
oh do please share
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Yea I am not down with lynching GK
On May 20 2013 05:08 s0Lstice wrote:
I was looking at that too Marv.
His filter has a post on me which is loaded with 'this guy is scum' lines, which is then concluded by me being town.
He had big townread post on Rayn, seemingly for no reason
He had the WoS/JarJar CnP error. I'm not sure we can make sense of his intention there, but the important thing is I don't think he has explained it adequately to the thread. I'd be ok with it if he cared enough to make it make sense.
Then there's the scumread on sputnik that concludes with him being town, which he parlays into a scum read on GK. If his scum read on GK is based on misrepresentation of his scum reads, then that read goes to pot too per our discussion....GK had it right, and Spicy flubbed in explaining that as well.
We're left with a read on JarJar for scumhunting? Yea I dunno, doesn't sit right. I think he knows better too. There's no explanation for him knowing less than he did in his first game.
I'm doing this.
##vote Spicydinosaur
Spicy explaining this alleviates some concerns. I still really don't like the 'sputnik is scum but will flip town' bit. I don't love the lynch enough in light of this extra explanation to fight against the power couple (lol ego) of marv and iamp. Justice wagon away.
##unvote
##vote sputnik.theory
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BH I hope you don't mind but I stole a drunk quote from you for my sig.
It's properly cited
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damn
at least there's one less lurker
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On May 20 2013 06:11 VayneAuthority wrote:also this guy makes me feel less safe with every post he makes. Sorry if thats just your style dude but you are still wayyyy on my radar.
Then make a case and we'll talk about it if you really strongly feel I'm scum. Like I said earlier I'd prefer it if you weren't wasting your time suspecting me.
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On May 20 2013 06:35 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 06:31 s0Lstice wrote:On May 20 2013 06:11 VayneAuthority wrote:On May 20 2013 06:08 s0Lstice wrote:
damn
at least there's one less lurker also this guy makes me feel less safe with every post he makes. Sorry if thats just your style dude but you are still wayyyy on my radar. Then make a case and we'll talk about it if you really strongly feel I'm scum. Like I said earlier I'd prefer it if you weren't wasting your time suspecting me. I have presented my case on you, albeit weak. If I find anything to add after the night killings I will do so. Who are your top 3 suspects? Also why am I wasting my time?
You're wasting your time because I'm town.
Suspect list is pretty light right now. Not much I can say for that, my biggest d1 lead turned out to be town. Keep watching though, I'll be doin my homework.
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On May 20 2013 11:24 Spicydinosaur wrote:
I agree with you on the marv/ dandel shitstorm. I couldnt make anything out of it other than it was an attempt to rile marv up. The rest of your read on him is pretty good but I say right now i have a null read leading towards scum. His last second switch to sputnik is what is sending off a lot of flags, especially after he said he wasnt going to vote for him and wished that he be vig shot.
This is important if you think Marv is town.
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On May 20 2013 11:59 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 11:51 s0Lstice wrote:On May 20 2013 11:24 Spicydinosaur wrote:
I agree with you on the marv/ dandel shitstorm. I couldnt make anything out of it other than it was an attempt to rile marv up. The rest of your read on him is pretty good but I say right now i have a null read leading towards scum. His last second switch to sputnik is what is sending off a lot of flags, especially after he said he wasnt going to vote for him and wished that he be vig shot. This is important if you think Marv is town. Why only if you think marv is town? One could always attempt to rile marv up if he was mafia too. How is that alignment indicative?
Mainly this is sticking in my head
On May 18 2013 23:13 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2013 22:50 iamperfection wrote:
it would be weird for you as scum(especially if bh is town) to attack one of the few players in this game that has the potential to have thread control. That is all I'm saying. Last time I saw that argument for a townread, it was dead wrong. (hapa townreading me in british 2 for troll-tunneling DrH)
If one had a town read on Marv at the time, then it should be troubling that Dandel came in an immediately riled him up. Marv not on his game is damaging to the town.
I'm realizing as I'm writing this that it sounds associative and stupid. I've been staring at this argument for too long.
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DP, trying to think through this.
You are saying this slip means BH is a scum masoner?
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On May 20 2013 13:07 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 13:05 s0Lstice wrote:
DP, trying to think through this.
You are saying this slip means BH is a scum masoner? Yep.
Why would he then say that he would be confirmed town after X nights when he knows that we are all aware that this is a closed set-up with the possibility of any role in play...even scum masoner?
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On May 20 2013 13:15 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 13:08 s0Lstice wrote:On May 20 2013 13:07 DarthPunk wrote:On May 20 2013 13:05 s0Lstice wrote:
DP, trying to think through this.
You are saying this slip means BH is a scum masoner? Yep. Why would he then say that he would be confirmed town after X nights when he knows that we are all aware that this is a closed set-up with the possibility of any role in play...even scum masoner? Because scum masoners are rare and he is trying to leverage his role into town cred. Remember his mason claim is all that saved him and most of us were operating under the assumption that he was town mason. Also people say confirmed town all the time for stupid reasons. I choose to view it as meaningless posturing.
Yea I get the leverage argument...but I'm saying there is no leverage to be had since we all have discussed the closed set-up. Rare or not, its in play, so the town has to consider it. Like, we already have talked about how the mason claim isn't alignment indicative.
I suppose it makes sense though. It also proves BH hasn't been reading the thread. If he had been diving filters, he'd know there aren't just 12 players (and hence 3 scum as per normal), and that assumption would not have arisen.
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On May 20 2013 13:24 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 13:22 s0Lstice wrote:On May 20 2013 13:15 DarthPunk wrote:On May 20 2013 13:08 s0Lstice wrote:On May 20 2013 13:07 DarthPunk wrote:On May 20 2013 13:05 s0Lstice wrote:
DP, trying to think through this.
You are saying this slip means BH is a scum masoner? Yep. Why would he then say that he would be confirmed town after X nights when he knows that we are all aware that this is a closed set-up with the possibility of any role in play...even scum masoner? Because scum masoners are rare and he is trying to leverage his role into town cred. Remember his mason claim is all that saved him and most of us were operating under the assumption that he was town mason. Also people say confirmed town all the time for stupid reasons. I choose to view it as meaningless posturing. Yea I get the leverage argument...but I'm saying there is no leverage to be had since we all have discussed the closed set-up. Rare or not, its in play, so the town has to consider it. Like, we already have talked about how the mason claim isn't alignment indicative. I suppose it makes sense though. It also proves BH hasn't been reading the thread. If he had been diving filters, he'd know there aren't just 12 players (and hence 3 scum as per normal), and that assumption would not have arisen. Assuming I'm town, it proves I haven't been reading the thread. If you think it's a legit scumslip, it says nothing about whether or not I'm reading the thread.
Yes it does. Scum BH would not have claimed to be confirmed town after 3 nights if he had been reading the thread. We are all factoring in the possibility of a scum mason.
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No, BH. I was referencing the leverage you would gain with town. Not the game size. Like DP says though, that part is not important.
DP, you are 100% convinced that a town BH who is not reading the thread could have said what he said?
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EBWOP: convinced=not convinced
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Yea I think I'm with you DP.
BH, you would have to have been ignoring the thread to criminal extreme to not be aware of the fact that this is a 16 player game. I know you've been filter diving at least some as you've made a few cases. Ergo, your assumption really should have been 4 mafia. I just don't buy that you haven't payed enough attention to not even know how many players are in the game.
Looks like you just ninja'd me DP. But yea let's lynch him tomorrow.
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On May 20 2013 18:37 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 13:29 s0Lstice wrote:On May 20 2013 13:24 Blazinghand wrote:On May 20 2013 13:22 s0Lstice wrote:On May 20 2013 13:15 DarthPunk wrote:On May 20 2013 13:08 s0Lstice wrote:On May 20 2013 13:07 DarthPunk wrote:On May 20 2013 13:05 s0Lstice wrote:
DP, trying to think through this.
You are saying this slip means BH is a scum masoner? Yep. Why would he then say that he would be confirmed town after X nights when he knows that we are all aware that this is a closed set-up with the possibility of any role in play...even scum masoner? Because scum masoners are rare and he is trying to leverage his role into town cred. Remember his mason claim is all that saved him and most of us were operating under the assumption that he was town mason. Also people say confirmed town all the time for stupid reasons. I choose to view it as meaningless posturing. Yea I get the leverage argument...but I'm saying there is no leverage to be had since we all have discussed the closed set-up. Rare or not, its in play, so the town has to consider it. Like, we already have talked about how the mason claim isn't alignment indicative. I suppose it makes sense though. It also proves BH hasn't been reading the thread. If he had been diving filters, he'd know there aren't just 12 players (and hence 3 scum as per normal), and that assumption would not have arisen. Assuming I'm town, it proves I haven't been reading the thread. If you think it's a legit scumslip, it says nothing about whether or not I'm reading the thread. Yes it does. Scum BH would not have claimed to be confirmed town after 3 nights if he had been reading the thread. We are all factoring in the possibility of a scum mason. Just catching up on all this now. I disagree with this in particular. Another player on this forum, Toadesstern, is legendary for claiming 'confirmed town' status for his non-alignment indicative power roles and/or pushes. It's something he almost exclusively does as town, so characterising this in particular as a mafia trait seems not correct.
I wasn't arguing for it as a mafia trait...
BH claimed to be confirmed town after three nights. I said in that quote that scum BH would not have claimed to be confirmed town after 3 nights.
At that point we were arguing about whether it proves, as either alignment, that BH wasn't reading the thread. I said it proves scum BH hasn't been reading the thread because a scum mason should be keenly aware of what confirms and doesn't confirm him. He wouldn't attempt to dictate to the rest of the thread something that in fact would NOT confirm him, especially considering we have been actively talking about the closed set-up and the possibility of scum masons. Whether you agree with that or not is a different story (but I'll guess no ;D ).
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On May 20 2013 22:19 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 22:14 s0Lstice wrote:On May 20 2013 18:37 marvellosity wrote:On May 20 2013 13:29 s0Lstice wrote:On May 20 2013 13:24 Blazinghand wrote:On May 20 2013 13:22 s0Lstice wrote:On May 20 2013 13:15 DarthPunk wrote:On May 20 2013 13:08 s0Lstice wrote:On May 20 2013 13:07 DarthPunk wrote:On May 20 2013 13:05 s0Lstice wrote:
DP, trying to think through this.
You are saying this slip means BH is a scum masoner? Yep. Why would he then say that he would be confirmed town after X nights when he knows that we are all aware that this is a closed set-up with the possibility of any role in play...even scum masoner? Because scum masoners are rare and he is trying to leverage his role into town cred. Remember his mason claim is all that saved him and most of us were operating under the assumption that he was town mason. Also people say confirmed town all the time for stupid reasons. I choose to view it as meaningless posturing. Yea I get the leverage argument...but I'm saying there is no leverage to be had since we all have discussed the closed set-up. Rare or not, its in play, so the town has to consider it. Like, we already have talked about how the mason claim isn't alignment indicative. I suppose it makes sense though. It also proves BH hasn't been reading the thread. If he had been diving filters, he'd know there aren't just 12 players (and hence 3 scum as per normal), and that assumption would not have arisen. Assuming I'm town, it proves I haven't been reading the thread. If you think it's a legit scumslip, it says nothing about whether or not I'm reading the thread. Yes it does. Scum BH would not have claimed to be confirmed town after 3 nights if he had been reading the thread. We are all factoring in the possibility of a scum mason. Just catching up on all this now. I disagree with this in particular. Another player on this forum, Toadesstern, is legendary for claiming 'confirmed town' status for his non-alignment indicative power roles and/or pushes. It's something he almost exclusively does as town, so characterising this in particular as a mafia trait seems not correct. I wasn't arguing for it as a mafia trait... BH claimed to be confirmed town after three nights. I said in that quote that scum BH would not have claimed to be confirmed town after 3 nights. At that point we were arguing about whether it proves, as either alignment, that BH wasn't reading the thread. I said it proves scum BH hasn't been reading the thread because a scum mason should be keenly aware of what confirms and doesn't confirm him. He wouldn't attempt to dictate to the rest of the thread something that in fact would NOT confirm him, especially considering we have been actively talking about the closed set-up and the possibility of scum masons. Whether you agree with that or not is a different story (but I'll guess no ;D ). I'm slightly confused and it's probably not very important, so good stuff, sir.
The point was the quote you referenced wasn't even talking about alignment, it was about thread reading. And, even if it was talking about alignment, my conclusion from the post you quoted would have lead to town points, not scum points.
But you're right about one thing, it isn't important.
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it's not possible that a new player in a normal for the first time as town is overly worried about what the town thinks of him?
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