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On May 22 2013 11:24 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2013 10:59 Spicydinosaur wrote:
With the focus on BH today, I feel a lot of players are taking the safe path today by not posting much and coasting to the vote. Very scummy. Spicydino is absolutely correct. If my lynch is a sure thing, then so be it-- but let's not be silent, let's use our time. I will be a confirmed town player in like 20 hours, but that doesn't mean we can't do anything beforehand. you seem to agree with my read on GK. what do you think of my most recent case on him?
I'm not a huge fan of meta arguments by themselves. If there are meta arguments + substantive claims in the current game then I could go along with it. I think GK is scummy as fuck but for different reasons.
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On May 22 2013 11:39 goodkarma wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2013 11:34 Spicydinosaur wrote:On May 22 2013 11:24 Blazinghand wrote:On May 22 2013 10:59 Spicydinosaur wrote:
With the focus on BH today, I feel a lot of players are taking the safe path today by not posting much and coasting to the vote. Very scummy. Spicydino is absolutely correct. If my lynch is a sure thing, then so be it-- but let's not be silent, let's use our time. I will be a confirmed town player in like 20 hours, but that doesn't mean we can't do anything beforehand. you seem to agree with my read on GK. what do you think of my most recent case on him? I'm not a huge fan of meta arguments by themselves. If there are meta arguments + substantive claims in the current game then I could go along with it. I think GK is scummy as fuck but for different reasons. Care to elaborate on said different reasons?
Not checking your role pm, your popping in and out of the thread and the frequency of your posts is troubling, especially today. Your read on me was garbage, as well as your read on stutters. Your unwillingness to tell us your view on the 3P seems like a stall. Lastly, Rayne was mostly focused on you D1 and now he's dead. All this adds up to you being scummy. '
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No response gk? See this is what im talking about with your popping in and out.
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On May 22 2013 12:38 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2013 11:48 Spicydinosaur wrote:On May 22 2013 11:39 goodkarma wrote:On May 22 2013 11:34 Spicydinosaur wrote:On May 22 2013 11:24 Blazinghand wrote:On May 22 2013 10:59 Spicydinosaur wrote:
With the focus on BH today, I feel a lot of players are taking the safe path today by not posting much and coasting to the vote. Very scummy. Spicydino is absolutely correct. If my lynch is a sure thing, then so be it-- but let's not be silent, let's use our time. I will be a confirmed town player in like 20 hours, but that doesn't mean we can't do anything beforehand. you seem to agree with my read on GK. what do you think of my most recent case on him? I'm not a huge fan of meta arguments by themselves. If there are meta arguments + substantive claims in the current game then I could go along with it. I think GK is scummy as fuck but for different reasons. Care to elaborate on said different reasons? Not checking your role pm, your popping in and out of the thread and the frequency of your posts is troubling, especially today. Your read on me was garbage, as well as your read on stutters. Your unwillingness to tell us your view on the 3P seems like a stall. Lastly, Rayne was mostly focused on you D1 and now he's dead. All this adds up to you being scummy. ' Can you explain how the Rayne shot makes GK scummier to you? Obviously this is speculation but there were better shots for scum to take if it was a scum vig on Rayne. It's almost 100% certain scum killed iamp as they wouldn't want a confirmed town who is a strong player around another day. If he has kp that suggests a 3p read over scum.
I think GK can be either mafia or 3p. So when I talked about him being scum that meant anti-town. In the future ill differentiate more so no confusion. But yeah if there is a 3p, my money right now is on GK. Rayne wasn't seen as a uber townie so it leaves a few theories. 1. Mafia vig shot b/c they figured marv and the other more likely townies could have medics on them. 2. Town vig who really fucked up. 3. 3p killer randoming. 4. 3p killer killed because rayne was getting onto them.
Like i said before, given rayne's postings D1, it would make sense for a 3p GK to take him out.
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EBWOP: The rayne shot making GK scummier is more of a thinking out loud rather than an assertive argument. Just added it on cause of my feeling.
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On May 22 2013 13:03 goodkarma wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2013 12:37 Spicydinosaur wrote:
No response gk? See this is what im talking about with your popping in and out. Show nested quote +On May 22 2013 11:48 Spicydinosaur wrote:On May 22 2013 11:39 goodkarma wrote:On May 22 2013 11:34 Spicydinosaur wrote:On May 22 2013 11:24 Blazinghand wrote:On May 22 2013 10:59 Spicydinosaur wrote:
With the focus on BH today, I feel a lot of players are taking the safe path today by not posting much and coasting to the vote. Very scummy. Spicydino is absolutely correct. If my lynch is a sure thing, then so be it-- but let's not be silent, let's use our time. I will be a confirmed town player in like 20 hours, but that doesn't mean we can't do anything beforehand. you seem to agree with my read on GK. what do you think of my most recent case on him? I'm not a huge fan of meta arguments by themselves. If there are meta arguments + substantive claims in the current game then I could go along with it. I think GK is scummy as fuck but for different reasons. Care to elaborate on said different reasons? Not checking your role pm, your popping in and out of the thread and the frequency of your posts is troubling, especially today. Your read on me was garbage, as well as your read on stutters. Your unwillingness to tell us your view on the 3P seems like a stall. Lastly, Rayne was mostly focused on you D1 and now he's dead. All this adds up to you being scummy. ' Thanks for your quick response, but there really isn't much for me to address here. When you mention the role PM thing I'm assuming you're saying you think I was lying, which I've already addressed. My read on you had some very valid points. How is what I said about you garbage when you BLATANLY misrepresent your read on sputnik, and mis-speak who you're talking about on MULTIPLE occasions? At the very least, that is a CLEAR sign of a lack of investment in this game. As for 3P stuff, BH is getting lynched today, and when I do present my case I would like to do it right. I'm not going to rush it because you're angwy. I probably should have just kept it to myself until I post it, as this kind of thing inevitably happens, but rest assured it will be out there long before it needs to be considered for next lynch. As for this popping in and out thing, I don't respond to everything. Especially when arguements I've already replied to are similar to the ones being brought up now (such as stupid meta cases), or the answer to the questions are in my filter but people are too damned ignorant/lazy to look into it. And I may not be the most super-active guy in thread right now, but I'm comfortable with the direction of the game (outside of course this sentiment that I'm scum). Dandel and JJB should be lynched. I will be providing a bit more discussion on Dandel, but JJB has been discussed to death by both myself and others here in thread. And the 3P thing I'll get to during next night cycle.
Thank you for confirming you are scum. You aren't going to rush your analysis because I'm angry? First of all I'm not angry and for you to assume so is scummy. You are artificially creating an excuse to not give out information. You say that BH is going to be lynched but want to wait to give out more info... why? Why not try to find out if there is a 3p killer now and not in the next cycle.
Oh and my read on sputnik? dead on
At this point I'm more sure that GK is scum more than I am BH.
##vote: goodkarma
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Off to sleep now, Ill check on the thread in the morning.
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On May 22 2013 23:17 Blazinghand wrote:
And to be real, time, effort, willingness to post are all limited resources. I'm probably one of the few people in TL Mafia who, when put into the position of being guaranteed as a mislynch, actually does work. Needless to say, today would have been a day without analysis or commentary if not for me. As far as you know, I'm scum jerking you around, but once I flip, you'll be like "he died for our sins... truly he was the best of us, and we let him down"
I'll be like the Jesus Christ of this game.
Calling bs on the bolded part. If you didn't have your slip, there wouldn't have been a singular focus on anyone at the start of D2. You HAD to say something today because of the mess you started. I award you no brownie points for that.
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On May 22 2013 23:44 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2013 23:30 Spicydinosaur wrote:On May 22 2013 23:17 Blazinghand wrote:
And to be real, time, effort, willingness to post are all limited resources. I'm probably one of the few people in TL Mafia who, when put into the position of being guaranteed as a mislynch, actually does work. Needless to say, today would have been a day without analysis or commentary if not for me. As far as you know, I'm scum jerking you around, but once I flip, you'll be like "he died for our sins... truly he was the best of us, and we let him down"
I'll be like the Jesus Christ of this game. Calling bs on the bolded part. If you didn't have your slip, there wouldn't have been a singular focus on anyone at the start of D2. You HAD to say something today because of the mess you started. I award you no brownie points for that. The mess I started? I didn't choose to "slip", it just happened, and I did my best to explain how it isn't a slip. The fact that people decided that based on this, they should vote me, is understandable. The fact that they decided that based on this, they should vote me and stop talking, is not. I mean, I guess it's totally understandable: people are lazy and dumb and mafia are good at imitating that kind of behavior. Even though I understand it, I don't condone it. Even during my tunnellest of tunnels, I try to still talk to people about other things.
At this point you are going to get lynched since too many people are convinced you are scum. I suggest to just get as many reads off as you can as that is the best way to help town at this point. Dont' bother trying to do anything else as its a waste of time. No more self reflective posts, just reads. If you flip scum then we can just ignore it, but if you flip town, then we can possibly use it.
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On May 22 2013 23:56 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2013 23:54 Spicydinosaur wrote:On May 22 2013 23:44 Blazinghand wrote:On May 22 2013 23:30 Spicydinosaur wrote:On May 22 2013 23:17 Blazinghand wrote:
And to be real, time, effort, willingness to post are all limited resources. I'm probably one of the few people in TL Mafia who, when put into the position of being guaranteed as a mislynch, actually does work. Needless to say, today would have been a day without analysis or commentary if not for me. As far as you know, I'm scum jerking you around, but once I flip, you'll be like "he died for our sins... truly he was the best of us, and we let him down"
I'll be like the Jesus Christ of this game. Calling bs on the bolded part. If you didn't have your slip, there wouldn't have been a singular focus on anyone at the start of D2. You HAD to say something today because of the mess you started. I award you no brownie points for that. The mess I started? I didn't choose to "slip", it just happened, and I did my best to explain how it isn't a slip. The fact that people decided that based on this, they should vote me, is understandable. The fact that they decided that based on this, they should vote me and stop talking, is not. I mean, I guess it's totally understandable: people are lazy and dumb and mafia are good at imitating that kind of behavior. Even though I understand it, I don't condone it. Even during my tunnellest of tunnels, I try to still talk to people about other things. At this point you are going to get lynched since too many people are convinced you are scum. I suggest to just get as many reads off as you can as that is the best way to help town at this point. Dont' bother trying to do anything else as its a waste of time. No more self reflective posts, just reads. If you flip scum then we can just ignore it, but if you flip town, then we can possibly use it. Self reflective reads aren't useful for demonstrating I'm town, either. They're just there because that's what I like to post! It's always been clear ever since the "scumslip" that I was going to be lynched today. For whatever reason, the fact that I realized this immediately was scummy, but the point remains. I see no reason not to puff up my ego and fluff my feathers before I get lynched. What are you gonna do to stop me, vote me? hue
My point was that if you truly cared about this game and were truly town, you would stop posting shit like this. Why the antagonism at the end there... actually nvm, this conversation is going nowhere.
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On May 23 2013 00:33 marvellosity wrote:
I'd say Spicy was antagonising BH more than the other way round :/
Didn't meant for it to come off that way. Was just making a point of using his last hours constructively.
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I'm more sure of GK being scum/3p than I am BH. That's why my vote is on him.
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On May 23 2013 06:37 Stutters695 wrote:
I really didn't like it but without Marv or DP on it and the rest of the thread not giving a shit that wasn't changing. Can we expect a night post from you Marv before the flip again, 48 hours of low activity is really concerning from you.
Don't sheep if you don't believe in the vote. Vayne and I voted GK and so would have BH if bothered. It's ok to go against the majority opinion if you believe in your argument.
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On May 23 2013 11:19 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2013 11:18 yamato77 wrote:
He does have 18 pages of filter.
Again, I'm not advocating lynching Marv, but I've said all game not to sleep on him or DP, and neither of them inspires much confidence in me right now. Take that back about DP. I feel rather similarly to how he feels tonight. Seems townish to admit that he doubted his read.
I would disagree under this context. Many people claimed to doubt their read afterwards, him doing so is just to fit in. I'm highly suspect of all lyncher's remorse. Especially after that lynch.
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On May 23 2013 11:34 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2013 11:31 Spicydinosaur wrote:On May 23 2013 11:19 yamato77 wrote:On May 23 2013 11:18 yamato77 wrote:
He does have 18 pages of filter.
Again, I'm not advocating lynching Marv, but I've said all game not to sleep on him or DP, and neither of them inspires much confidence in me right now. Take that back about DP. I feel rather similarly to how he feels tonight. Seems townish to admit that he doubted his read. I would disagree under this context. Many people claimed to doubt their read afterwards, him doing so is just to fit in. I'm highly suspect of all lyncher's remorse. Especially after that lynch. I admitted I wasn't sure of the lynch the whole day. I think it was normal to feel that way. Why would DP admitting post-hoc be so weird?
I'm not singling him out specifically but everyone that expressed doubt. With only 2 people not voting to lynch BH, there HAS to be scum on the vote. Plus there was very little activity by a lot of players because they could just coast the vote.
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EBWOP: ignore everything mentioning DP, I was thinking dandel. though my general sentiment on post lynch remorse is the same.
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Yeah I just checked. When yamato posted that I remembered some people posting post lynch remorse and thought dandel was one of them but yeah he just laughed.
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S0L if you are still around, what are your views on grush?
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I'm really uncomfortable with the starsenses thing. I feel he's not getting attention because of the whole BH slip and he's comfortable just lurking in the back. Maybe he's doing it just to survive until the end but it just doesn't seem helpful in the short term for town. He does the starsenses to be confirmed town, but then he's inactive to make him a poor mafia kill. It feels very self centered in a game like mafia, especially with his level of activity so far. Also seems he's going to get another pass tomorrow when we are going to focus mostly on GK and dandel.
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On May 23 2013 21:04 marvellosity wrote:
GK actually has relevant points about Spicy, he's been niggling me for a while.
Probably everyone forgot by now but the whole "sputnik is a scumread" -> "sputnik is playing too scummily to be scum" is something pretty concerning really.
I said I was getting a scum read on him but that he's playing to scummy so he'll probably flip town. Which is what happened. My wording or phrasing may suck but my ultimate read on him was right.
GK's paragraph on me was just rehashing old issues that have already been talked about with the exception of the 3p sk issue which everyone is pure speculating on at this point.
I'm still uncomfortable with GK not giving his opinion out because he claimed I was angry.
On May 22 2013 13:03 goodkarma wrote:
As for 3P stuff, BH is getting lynched today, and when I do present my case I would like to do it right. I'm not going to rush it because you're angwy. I probably should have just kept it to myself until I post it, as this kind of thing inevitably happens, but rest assured it will be out there long before it needs to be considered for next lynch.
At this point I could lynch Dandel over GK next day. At least GK is responding to posts and constructing arguments.
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