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On May 19 2013 00:50 Spicydinosaur wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2013 00:37 DarthPunk wrote:On May 19 2013 00:34 Spicydinosaur wrote:On May 19 2013 00:24 DarthPunk wrote:On May 19 2013 00:23 Spicydinosaur wrote:On May 19 2013 00:17 DarthPunk wrote:On May 19 2013 00:15 Spicydinosaur wrote:On May 19 2013 00:01 DarthPunk wrote:
And explain your town read on grush while your at it. Because, Whilst my meta on grush may not be enough to lynch him it sure as fuck isn't good enough for a town read or calling him a mislynch. As someone who hasn't played with grush before, his filter looks terrible. The whole starsenses meta argument doesn't seem helpful at all. The majority of his posts are just complete spam aside from his voting on vayne. Overall even if he is town, he's not helping. Would you like to lynch him? WTF are you actually saying here? My point is that from my view his posts are completely pointless and devoid of any true content, yet others are OK with him being town simply based on meta. I want to see him post more quality stuff or I will put my vote on him. So you will vote for him even though everyone else says he is town? Have you read the posts speaking about his meta and his use of STARSENSE as a town claim that has been true for the last~15 games? Yeah I read the post, and didnt really sway me. His posts in this game haven;t been informative at all which is the criteria I determine if someone is town. OK. let me put it this way. If someone does something 100 times. And then does it a 101st time. How likely is it that the 101st time is different than the previous 100? This goes back to the beginning of the game when i gave s0Lstice some shit for posting about his game history being all town. It's the same type of argument. What really helps get scum is to get people's opinions, have people take sides, and see if they defend them. grush hasn't done this and it bothers me.
Grush doesn't do anything. Like, ever. This is so stupid that we're still talking about this. Dandel, who is scum?
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On May 19 2013 01:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Hey WoS, I just told you who is scum, what do you think about that?
Fucking dandel. Every time I ask someone that question they feel the need to say me just to look good.
Anyway yeah Rayn sorry I missed the posts at the bottom of that page. Are you going to elaborate on any of that? I don't need to tell you how drastically different this is from your normal play and I don't like it.
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On May 19 2013 01:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think we should lynch sputnic or BH.
WHY.
There are drastic differences between these two players; you're either talking lurker lynch atn or not, but either way, no reasoning.
Wtf is this rayn?
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On May 19 2013 01:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Haha WoS, i remember you telling me the same thing about 2 days ago and look what happened.
I'll elaborate, as said, in 2hours when i get to a computer, posting from my phone is hard.
Alright didn't see this.
What do you mean me telling you 2 days ago?
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On May 19 2013 01:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The last game where i got killed, and you said same stuff early on.
Ok ill look when I get home.
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On May 19 2013 02:15 goodkarma wrote:
Since it looks like no one here is going to vote for Grush now that he said Starsenses several more times, I'll be changing my vote. I still feel he's scummy and would like to lynch him, but consolidation is important. Also, there's always the chance he will be vigi shot. Among scummy Grush and lurkers Sputnik and JarJar, one should likely be vigi shot.
So to summarize my thoughts on Sputnik and JarJar:
Both are lurkers. And both have played as lurkers in the past as town. Therefore, they are not necessarily acting differently from their town meta as far as activity goes. Looking at content, neither has much substance. I would rather not lynch into them today. That being said, I would rather lynch Sputnik than JarJar.
WaveofShadow, on the other hand, is a different matter. From what I remember of his play in The Game, he played pretty horribly. As town he was wishy washy about his stances on most players, and when he was nearly lynched the only thing that really saved him was that he blueclaimed. Here, he seems to be a lot more sure of himself in places, but in a way that doesn't really make sense to me from a town perspective. Sputnik, who basically made one scummy post and lurked, is "sure scum" to him. And Grush is "sure town" for saying starsenses. This has already been discussed, but the contrast from his townplay is what stands out to me. Further, he seems to really like asking people for scumreads. His questions don't seem to really have any purpose other than to make him look more active. Look at his filter and see how many times he asks a variation of "Who you think is scum?" It's a pretty pointless thing to ask, given everyone here is going to be giving their scumreads anyways.
##Unvote
##Vote: WaveofShadow
The bolded is scummy as hell. Why consolidate before we've even hit the halfway point in the day? This just screams "oh shit everyone agrees Grush is town now, I need a way out but I still have look committed to my scumreads."
You say you would rather lynch sputnik than Jarjar but don't say why, then you call me out for calling sputnik scummy for legitimate reasons? You and everyone else who have ever made meta cases on me calling me scum have been absolutely wrong. You're more than welcome to your vote but fuck you are the first person who I'm jumping to now if sputnik no longer looks like a good lynch to me.
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On May 19 2013 01:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The last game where i got killed, and you said same stuff early on.
Rayn if you're talking about the game I'm thinking of, I didn't say anything of the sort. Either way, I'm still fine to wait for you to come up with something; your scumreads were BH and sputnik. If you have something supporting the sputnik lynch that I haven't thought of yet I'm all ears. I'm also interested to hear what you may have to say about BH and which you'd rather lynch today.
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Who are the people who have townreads on GK right now? Yamato/marv was it? What makes him town exactly? I'm clearly not seeing whatever it is you guys are seeing in him.
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On May 19 2013 03:10 goodkarma wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2013 02:58 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 19 2013 02:15 goodkarma wrote:
Since it looks like no one here is going to vote for Grush now that he said Starsenses several more times, I'll be changing my vote. I still feel he's scummy and would like to lynch him, but consolidation is important. Also, there's always the chance he will be vigi shot. Among scummy Grush and lurkers Sputnik and JarJar, one should likely be vigi shot.
So to summarize my thoughts on Sputnik and JarJar:
Both are lurkers. And both have played as lurkers in the past as town. Therefore, they are not necessarily acting differently from their town meta as far as activity goes. Looking at content, neither has much substance. I would rather not lynch into them today. That being said, I would rather lynch Sputnik than JarJar.
WaveofShadow, on the other hand, is a different matter. From what I remember of his play in The Game, he played pretty horribly. As town he was wishy washy about his stances on most players, and when he was nearly lynched the only thing that really saved him was that he blueclaimed. Here, he seems to be a lot more sure of himself in places, but in a way that doesn't really make sense to me from a town perspective. Sputnik, who basically made one scummy post and lurked, is "sure scum" to him. And Grush is "sure town" for saying starsenses. This has already been discussed, but the contrast from his townplay is what stands out to me. Further, he seems to really like asking people for scumreads. His questions don't seem to really have any purpose other than to make him look more active. Look at his filter and see how many times he asks a variation of "Who you think is scum?" It's a pretty pointless thing to ask, given everyone here is going to be giving their scumreads anyways.
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##Vote: WaveofShadow The bolded is scummy as hell. Why consolidate before we've even hit the halfway point in the day? This just screams "oh shit everyone agrees Grush is town now, I need a way out but I still have look committed to my scumreads." You say you would rather lynch sputnik than Jarjar but don't say why, then you call me out for calling sputnik scummy for legitimate reasons? You and everyone else who have ever made meta cases on me calling me scum have been absolutely wrong. You're more than welcome to your vote but fuck you are the first person who I'm jumping to now if sputnik no longer looks like a good lynch to me. Just addressed the consolidation thing. As for Sputnik over JarJar: Sputnik looks like he'll never improve his post quality (and therefore it's more likely it would be a policy lynch even if we don't lynch him today) whereas JarJar will likely post enough content in upcoming days I'm confident I'll have a better read on him. The issue with your stance on Sputnik (in case the others voting you haven't made it clear enough to you) is that he's "obvscum" to you. Scum tend to take rigid stances like this, not townies. Especially when considering how little's actually in the guy's filter, it's hard to understand how you'd be so sure as town.
K so you say I can't be rigid 'cause it makes me scum, and others say I can't be wishy-washy 'cause it makes me scum. Good to know, thanks. Glad to know people are really thinking hard about this and not with any confirmation bias or anything.
GK I have explained my stance on sputnik multiple times and people want to go ahead and believe what they feel despite what I say.
On May 18 2013 15:47 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2013 15:40 yamato77 wrote:
Sputnik has barely posted, not going to jump on lynching him unless he never comes back.
JJD just called out BH for the worst part of his filter, which I find to be a townie insight.
Not thrilled with either lynch. So no GK, no sputnik. no JJD. You planning on coming up with something? I mean, I agree with you on sputnik so far as I expect him to come back and say/do something, but until he does my vote stays on him so I'm treating him scummy until proven otherwise, unlike you, whose method is innocent until proven lurky?I'm not sure I agree with you regarding JJD's recent post because weren't there other people who realized what BH seemed to about VA at the same time? And why is GK not getting lynched today?
If you're calling me out for semantic use of the word 'obvscum' and other people are using similar reasoning to this then I guess my no-mislynch streak is being broken here.
I'm getting really sick of explaining myself multiple times regarding my thoughts on grush and sputnik; just read the fucking thread. I'm not defending myself any more regarding this.
Marv you don't have a townread of GK; what is your read then?
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On May 19 2013 03:24 marvellosity wrote:
Completely unsure. His answer about grush was better than I expected, but I'm still not a fan of how he pursued him.
And your thoughts regarding my scumread of him? I just don't understand how people could think his behaviour has been towny; I want to get this right and see if there's something I'm really missing here because I don't want to fucking tunnel all day.
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On May 19 2013 03:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yeah and ##Vote: Goodkarma
You tempt me, good sir, but I dunno your cases don't seem....fleshed out enough? In your Gk case explain how the meta reads are false for example.
Also Dandel scumread? Interesting.
As far as marv goes I believe his explanation was that JJD has played his games and doesn't get a newbie pass to lurk the way he has? I agree with this to some extent but I also agree with what GK said that it seems more likely for JJD to come back and actually do something later in the game than sputnik who was satisfied to scum up the thread and then fuck off.
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Vayne why are you null on GK?
Did you read my points against him at all?
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Vayne, the reason consolidating this early looks scummy is because my wagon was the biggest at the time and looks like a safe place for scum to park a vote. There is absolutely zero reason consolidation is necessary with over 24h left to go in a day since lynch wagons are still constantly forming and dying off and there is no danger of a no-lynch...
LOL I just realized. Why the FUCK would there ever be a no-lynch in plurality?
On May 19 2013 02:58 goodkarma wrote:
The way he brought up starsenses here was under heavy pressure, as Darthpunk has also pointed out. Also, I couldn't find an instance where the guy OMGUS voted like he did here. In general, this is a very scummy thing. Finally, while Grush may troll quite a lot, I've found there are instances of sanity where he does contribute as town, which I also haven't really seen here.
As for consolidation, yes it's a bit early. But given the last few games I've obs'ed / been in have had profound problems with this, I figured I'd rather push for it sooner than later. I feel Wave is a good lynch for today, so I have no issue switching my vote to him.
Yes, there have been recent games where no-lynch may have been an issue (I am not at liberty to speak of more) but that's instant majority where if you don't reach a certain threshold there is a no-lynch. Here you'd specifically have to VOTE for a no-lynch (which you've recently realized we find scummy early game) or there would have to be a tie. Thread non-participation is not an issue here; we WILL see a lynch in 24 ish hours, and that's even IF this thread weren't active, which it is.
Fuck this, I'm changing my vote. If sputnik comes back I'll look at him then---just vig him tonight or some shit.
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##Vote: Goodkarma
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On May 19 2013 06:54 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2013 06:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:On May 19 2013 06:45 VayneAuthority wrote:On May 19 2013 06:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vayne, i do not think your case is good. At all.
One point why you call him suspicious: Suspicious. sums up the thread (completely useless) and then says he will just be waiting to see what happens, probably so he can drop a vote on the bandwagon late at night. A pretty mediocre read, so ill just keep an eye on him for now.
Can you see what you are doing? I am being unsure of myself, but thats because imThe thing is; whatever you believe is the best plahy for town, is to find scum, as soon as possible. Nothing else counts. Period. How you achieve this is up to you. You seem like a bright guy, but i think you lack some basic experience (don't get me wrong here). Okay, let's go for hunt scum now? Do you think Goodkarma is suspicious at all? I do not think he is remotely suspicious as of now, no. My scumreads are s0lstice, Stutters, WoS in that order. to consolidate what I have said so far
Did you read at all what I just wrote?
Marv, your thoughts?
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On May 19 2013 06:58 marvellosity wrote:
Wave - I hosted goodkarma's first (I think?) newbie game, number 24.
In this game, in the first 2 days, town had massive problems with consolidation, despite it being plurality lynch. Votes were spread all over the place. Only on day 3 did GK understand the value of consolidation (even in plurality). So that point doesn't ring true to me, just because I know goodkarma was taught a serious lesson about consolidation. You can go read his filter from there, or perhaps you could read my post-game analysis there where I touch on the same things.
Alright I suppose I can understand this then...sort of....but then why question it yourself at the same time I did?
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On May 19 2013 07:07 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2013 07:03 marvellosity wrote:On May 19 2013 07:01 yamato77 wrote:
I don't see anything in GK's filter that makes him scum.
Marv, you said you don't like a WoS lynch anymore, why? he seems active and involved, and he doesn't look that different to any of his other games. It looks to me like he's just searching for the best town-created wagon to sheep, no? Honestly, all meta aside, there is almost no difference between GK and WoS except the tone of their posting, and GK seems more inquisitive and insightful versus WoS' aggressiveness and decisiveness. WoS may be here, posting, but I have yet to see what I expect from WoS, which is actual personal insight into the game versus parroting what people are already saying about players. I mean, do you think GK is scum? I'm on the fence, to be honest. It's hard to tell whether he seems more like his town game or his scum game.
What the fuck Yamato. I dare you to tell me who I'm parroting.
I was the first person to mention how scummy sputnik is and I'm the only one coming up with constant legit reasons to lynch GK, Rayn started up after I did; he just happened to vote him first.
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On May 19 2013 07:11 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2013 07:10 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 19 2013 07:07 yamato77 wrote:On May 19 2013 07:03 marvellosity wrote:On May 19 2013 07:01 yamato77 wrote:
I don't see anything in GK's filter that makes him scum.
Marv, you said you don't like a WoS lynch anymore, why? he seems active and involved, and he doesn't look that different to any of his other games. It looks to me like he's just searching for the best town-created wagon to sheep, no? Honestly, all meta aside, there is almost no difference between GK and WoS except the tone of their posting, and GK seems more inquisitive and insightful versus WoS' aggressiveness and decisiveness. WoS may be here, posting, but I have yet to see what I expect from WoS, which is actual personal insight into the game versus parroting what people are already saying about players. I mean, do you think GK is scum? I'm on the fence, to be honest. It's hard to tell whether he seems more like his town game or his scum game. What the fuck Yamato. I dare you to tell me who I'm parroting. I was the first person to mention how scummy sputnik is and I'm the only one coming up with constant legit reasons to lynch GK, Rayn started up after I did; he just happened to vote him first. grush was the first person to mention that sputnik was scummy.
Alright fair point, though aside from saying he's textbook scummy he did nothing to elaborate or vote. Either way I think it's really fucking stretching to say that I am simply parroting other people this game.
Iamp most of your reads coincide with mine I think. I'd give Rayn a townread rather than null and move a couple townreads to null but otherwise yeah. I could see JJD scum as well rather than null.
Yamato come at/to me when you're ready. I am fully prepared to discuss whatever you wish.
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LOL right as I fucking call Rayn town he goes and does that...
lol actually maybe that makes him even more town; I can't see scum so aggressively fucking with a guy who just called you towny.
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wtf rayn.
When you flip town?
How the fuck did you come to the conclusion you were about to die?
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Jesus it's like geript in LX or something only Rayn doesn't have the newbie excuse.
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