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s0Lstice
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his pressure seems hesitant/blendy. it's also based on flawed logic. if I was scum, I'd be more likely to be afraid of my meta, as this would be my first scum game. so, because I point it out as part of my introductory post...this makes me suspicious? his tone makes me think he hasn't even convinced himself. to be fair though, hopping on Vayne's quick wagon is just as important. combined, it's not a huge lead, but right here right now on a day 1, i'm cool voting him for now | ||
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I know Personality was brought up...LVIII I think (where he was modkilled), and mebbe Rockband? | ||
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s0Lstice
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Read your defense Stutters, we're cool for now. My two scumspecs are sputnik and goodkarma I agree with iamp and grush on sputnik. There is fuck all in his filter, he is being purposely evasive with his 'in character' speech, and then there was the 'credit to team' list of people who haven't contributed. I feel better about goodkarma though, because of his latest posts On May 18 2013 11:21 goodkarma wrote: Regarding Stutters: I'm satisfied with your explanation, Stutters, and will look closely at your promised analysis (please don't promise and not deliver like you did in our newbie game  ).Regarding Grush As for Grush, I was of the opinion lynching someone because they don't say "starsenses" is pretty stupid. But then grush says: So in other words, you will always be town when you say starsenses. And you haven't said starsenses this game. Further, you say you will try to counter you own meta from now on, meaning you weren't starting to as of this game... All in all, this looks like a scumclaim. Further, his Vayne vote was an easy jump on a bandwagon I'd expect from scum. And the majority of his content after seems to be some kind of worthless trolly defense. ##Unvote: Stutters ##Vote: grush57 This case was unnecessary, first of all. It's like he wanted us all to see his ticket on the bandwagon was legit because he did some cursory legwork to get on it. He goes from debasing the entire reason for the lynch to fully buying in with break neck speed, based on a misrepresentation of the point grush was trying to get across. Then this....holy shit On May 18 2013 11:59 goodkarma wrote: Can you explain to me how voting Jarjar is anything other than a lurker vote? The one odd thing about his filter is that even though he was lurky in his last newbie game too, he had more content by now than he does here. It's possible that he might fit the profile of a newbie scum too scared to post, but I don't see anything specifically scummy in what little he has posted... In other words, I'd rather focus on people who have at least a little content in their filter to analyze than gun for total lurkers right now. But if he continues to behave as he has closer to the deadline, his lurking may be a scumtell. He asks why his vote would be anything more than a lurker vote, then provides a substantive point about how it would indeed not be just a lurker vote. This is so wishy-washy my clothes got clean just from reading it. He provides pros and cons until he argues himself into a wait and see corner. Can we kill this guy? Follow me and grush into the abyss! ##unvote ##Vote goodkarma | ||
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s0Lstice
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iamp since you are here too....what do you think about what I said about goodkarma? | ||
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s0Lstice
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he (grush) didn't do it there. just like in that game, the way I eventually thought of him as town is that our reads were more or less lining up | ||
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s0Lstice
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=348072 | ||
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s0Lstice
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what else you got? | ||
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s0Lstice
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What you were saying about Marv and his descent from rage was compelling though. Something caught my eye while reading the whole Marv/Dandel exchange On May 18 2013 09:03 marvellosity wrote: anyways, i gotta go to bed. apologies to anyone i riled and vice versa, but i think it came in useful. i think we have some really good targets for tomorrow. the apology....as Marv has done this before, I wondered if he ever has apologized for it. If he has done this before but never really showed any sign of guilt, then that is something. I've been digging through personality to see. Need to look at his scum games as well, its a fat wad of meta to get through. Still though, food for thought. | ||
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s0Lstice
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I might be just fine with artificially tantruming, simply to have something to point to when the inevitable 'why is marv still alive' questions start to pop up. I'm not saying this is definitely what was going on, but I'm keeping it around to chew on for awhile. Oh and Marv improves town atmosphere no matter what his alignment is. | ||
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s0Lstice
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everyone look at goodkarma and what i wrote about him | ||
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On May 18 2013 14:56 WaveofShadow wrote: --snip Solstice: why do you feel better about voting GK than sputnik right now? At the time, I felt there was much more to go on with GK, hence my case. Sputnik had the list, and the purposely evasive RP speak. The VT claim gave me pause though, and it's still kind of mindfucking me. I voted for who I was more sure about goodkarma As to your defense, your interpretation of grushs actions is acceptable. With the added explanation, your point on grush holding himself to his own meta in regards to the period of time before he was pressured is a legitimate one. Still stinky though is the timing of the case, and your JarJar lurky post. I'm catching up while writing this....your posts since then seem pretty town. Enough that I don't want to you kill right now. marv On May 18 2013 18:08 marvellosity wrote: Reading the thread atm. I'd quite like to know where you're going with this, because it's an awfully passive-aggressive way of trying to put suspicion on me. Your argument boils down to "marv was more polite than i expected" and you've managed to drag that out over numerous posts and paragraphs. You're also basically completely making up a narrative for a player who isn't you, and for a player you can't possibly understand. What gives? You were the topic of conversation at the time. It was an unfinished thought, but I shared it anyway, because it is related to what DP was saying about you, and iamp addressed me directly about it. It means nothing without the meta backing, which, due to my absence, I am not currently fresh on. I stand by saying it though, because its possible that someone who has been closely following your recent games would know off-hand whether you were following a pattern. ____________________________________ Still waiting to hear from Stutters on what he makes of me attacking one of his scum reads. Vayne, I really haven't thought much of your suspicions of me, because your reasoning is pretty poor, frankly. I'd prefer it though if your time wasn't wasted on suspecting me, so let's open up a dialogue and become besties. I'm not happy with my scumspecs at the moment and that takes priority, but I'll try to alleviate your concerns after some quality filter time. Now to the filters...as I said though I'll be checking the thread in the interim and I'm here for awhile. | ||
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s0Lstice
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##unvote | ||
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On May 19 2013 11:07 goodkarma wrote: As scum, he'd pop in and be like "look at these things that are suspicious about this dude," then a little later plop down a vote. His townie games he just kinda goes this and that are kinda suspicious and more slowly (and naturally) comes to a conclusion on who he thinks is scum. In short, he comes down a lot harder on his scumsuspect in his play as scum. Look at those filters I've linked and you should see what I mean. On May 19 2013 11:07 goodkarma wrote: As scum, he'd pop in and be like "look at these things that are suspicious about this dude," then a little later plop down a vote. His townie games he just kinda goes this and that are kinda suspicious and more slowly (and naturally) comes to a conclusion on who he thinks is scum. In short, he comes down a lot harder on his scumsuspect in his play as scum. Look at those filters I've linked and you should see what I mean. What the hell? Did you read the games you linked? This is his first post after the /in post in the scum game you linked On April 05 2013 21:45 JarJarDrinks wrote: K, just caught up. I think jrkirby is my scummiest read at the moment. He votes rainbows pretty early. Then later on he tells us that he feels like he "might actually be a fatty, and is just acting stupid" BUT he feels like he has to vote for him because he's "helping the skinnies". Anyone that votes for someone and then defends them is gonna read scum to me. ##vote: jrkirby He voted in his first post and then tunneled the entire time. In fact, I reach pretty much the opposite conclusion you do from the games you linked. | ||
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s0Lstice
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Um, no it's not. Voting in your first post in the thread, and voting methodically (or saying this stuff is suspicious and then voting a little later, as GK put it) are not the same. | ||
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s0Lstice
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On May 19 2013 11:19 yamato77 wrote: He clearly says that his town games are more methodical, and that his scum games are more tunnelish. I'm wondering if you're reading his post that closely. Do I really need to quote this twice? The first paragraph is all about describing scumplay, which he says is tunnely and methodical. | ||
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