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On May 19 2013 10:04 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2013 09:26 Spicydinosaur wrote:I'm reading raynpelikoneet as a shitty town. He claimed that GK was scum and supported it with a number of points in a couple of posts. This may not be the best argument but at least he's supporting his position. On May 19 2013 03:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay, here is the case, Goodkarma:
- Shitty case on Stutters with backpedalling without explanation.
- Contradicting himself on grush, REALLY BAD! STARSENSEESSSSSS!
- His meta comparsion on Jarjar is false.
- His meta comparsion on me is false.
- His stance on WoS is that Wos plays town "bad" and here he is bad, so he is scum. Bad =/= scum.
On May 19 2013 03:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
GK:
- Do you know haw Jarjar plays? Did you explain why he is scum as he does what he does?
- About me. What games about me you have read?
- About grush. You say "So in other words, you will always be town when you say starsenses. And you haven't said starsenses this game. Further, you say you will try to counter you own meta from now on, meaning you weren't starting to as of this game..." Look at your argument. You are basically saying "you didn't claim STARSENSES, YOU ARE SCUM, BUT IF YOU DO, YOU ARE ALSO SCUM".
I don't need to tell you why you are wrong, you need to tell me why you are right. so quotes please. Make sure you quote me from my last (town) game where i said i'm working 12h/7d/week. And call me a lurker then. However he then goes off the rails with iamperfection after he gives his quick view of the group. On May 19 2013 07:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:9. s0Lstice-town for now- Since he dislikes sputnik and gk that seems good to me.
16. raynpelikoneet-null- wants to kill gk and sputnik makes him ok in my book bad activity though Okay, this guy claimed scum. ##Unvote;
##Vote: iamperfectionggyo On May 19 2013 07:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
iamp, yamato, marm; i am involved, i am voting for iamp atm. he is calling one gut town and one guy null for same reasons. that is bullshit imo.
and marv. do not talk about martyring, you are the king of it. end of discussion. This seems more like a impulse child vote than anything throwing a hissy fit because he feels his play is on a different level. There is a clear difference in the mentality that went into the voting of GK and iamp. Seems very spammy for spammy sake. Who do you want to lynch. I agree with you on Rayn being shitty town. What I want to know is who is getting the noose. I suggest you take a look at sputnik for being a solid lynch for today.
I agree that Sputnik has posted absolutely nothing but garbage but I feel he should be shot by a vig and not lynched d1. I highly doubt his play is some grand scum plan that his scum buddies are comfortable with. Everyone could get behind a sputnik lynch because he's a shitty player. So if everyone agrees to lynch sputnik, what does that get us? More likely than not he'll show up as town, but everyone will have a solid defense for voting him.
I'm going to put my vote on WaveofShadow
His first few posts are complete spam. Then he sheeps on me about s0Lstice's meta game. A lot of his posts are full of self doubt and lack confidence.
On May 18 2013 04:37 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2013 04:28 grush57 wrote:
damnit sputnik you're playing textbook scum VT claim too, quelle surprise. ugh this is almost too easy, I'm feeling less good about it now. Whatever vote stays on 'till he gets back and actually contributes.
Jarjar on the other hand has posted some content, though very little. He's been the subject of attack a number of times but he has yet defended himself properly. Whether his in-activeness is due to RL or deliberate scum, I don't like it. I get the feeling he tried coasting D1 and got caught and really doesn't know what to do. His posts contain a lot of excuses which is scummy. I'm putting my vote on him.
##vote jarjardrinks
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On May 19 2013 11:20 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2013 11:19 Spicydinosaur wrote:
I'm going to put my vote on WaveofShadow
##vote jarjardrinks
EBWOP. Was supposed to be jar jar. wave was on my copy/paste from looking at his filter
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On May 19 2013 12:48 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2013 11:19 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Jarjar on the other hand has posted some content, though very little. He's been the subject of attack a number of times but he has yet defended himself properly. Whether his in-activeness is due to RL or deliberate scum, I don't like it. I get the feeling he tried coasting D1 and got caught and really doesn't know what to do. His posts contain a lot of excuses which is scummy. I'm putting my vote on him.
##vote jarjardrinks I've said that I cant really be that active on the weekends. I don't know how that means my "posts contain a lot of excuses" And like, you're saying that I've yet to defend myself properly. Well the only real case against me is that I've been lurking. Anything I can say to defend myself I'm sure is gonna sound like more excuses to you. Is there something specific that you or someone is accusing me of that I should post a defense for?
Your lurking is a huge problem and it seems you don't really care that people are upset that you are. Even if you have limited time, why not spend it filtering a player and getting an opinion on him off. This post feels like a delay of anything substantive. The best way you can defend yourself is to give me thoughts/opinions on the other players. vote is staying on you.
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On May 19 2013 20:18 goodkarma wrote:
Spicydinosaur: What stands out most to me about spicy is that he has had a bit to say but he's had literally ZERO scumreads most of the game. He's pretty wishy-washy in general. One post that demonstrated this well he literally started (in discussing Solstice) by saying “I think this guy is very scummy.” And ends the post saying “I don’t think he’s scum.” Further, in his vote post he somehow manages to mix up the name of who he’s voting for. For sure this could be an honest mistake, but it definitely doesn’t demonstrate he’s very invested in the game. When you think someone’s scum, it’s generally burning in your mind as you’re writing up your post. That he could just mix things up, say “oops sorry” to the thread, and then get away with it is disturbing to me. This is the kind of guy you shouldn't let fly under the radar. In the newbie game that just finished that I observed, he had opinions on other players he thought were scummy. That just isn’t the case here. He’s like “this guy looks kinda bad,” or “this guy is a shitty townie,” but when it comes to who’s actually scum he kinda doesn’t have much to say until his botched up vote post.
I'm wondering if this is an attempted scum vote redirect on me at the last minute to save someone else. Your entire post is hinged on me have 0 scum reads that you are so happy to point out a number of times. This is a complete flat out lie, and given my small filter, a deliberate misreading of me.
On May 19 2013 11:19 Spicydinosaur wrote:
I agree that Sputnik has posted absolutely nothing but garbage but I feel he should be shot by a vig and not lynched d1. I highly doubt his play is some grand scum plan that his scum buddies are comfortable with. Everyone could get behind a sputnik lynch because he's a shitty player. So if everyone agrees to lynch sputnik, what does that get us? More likely than not he'll show up as town, but everyone will have a solid defense for voting him.
This is a scum read on sputnik that you completely ignore. Then in the same post I vote for jarjar because of his excuses.
On May 19 2013 11:19 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Jarjar on the other hand has posted some content, though very little. He's been the subject of attack a number of times but he has yet defended himself properly. Whether his in-activeness is due to RL or deliberate scum, I don't like it. I get the feeling he tried coasting D1 and got caught and really doesn't know what to do. His posts contain a lot of excuses which is scummy. I'm putting my vote on him.
GK's reading of me is completely false and his deliberate avoidance of my scum reads points to him being scum.
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On May 19 2013 23:41 marvellosity wrote:
Is that a "I want to kill him today" scumread, or an "I think he's scum, but i'm not certain yet" scumread?
assuming this was directed towards me. I'm more certain of jarjar at this point. My gut feeling was that his post just felt scummy. going to go through his filter now.
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After looking through goodkarma's filter I think he's scum and would ok with a lynch of him or jarjar. For someone who thinks consolidation is so important he keeps throwing his vote around on different people, some are more popular lynches than others.
GK first votes for stutters then unvotes because of explanation. He then votes for grush, then unvotes him because of 'consolidation'.
On May 19 2013 02:15 goodkarma wrote:
Since it looks like no one here is going to vote for Grush now that he said Starsenses several more times, I'll be changing my vote. I still feel he's scummy and would like to lynch him, but consolidation is important. Also, there's always the chance he will be vigi shot. Among scummy Grush and lurkers Sputnik and JarJar, one should likely be vigi shot.
##Unvote
##Vote: WaveofShadow
On May 19 2013 02:58 goodkarma wrote:
As for consolidation, yes it's a bit early. But given the last few games I've obs'ed / been in have had profound problems with this, I figured I'd rather push for it sooner than later. I feel Wave is a good lynch for today, so I have no issue switching my vote to him.
He then switches votes to jarjar for his lurkiness. He then writes a whole big post on how BH is scum but unvotes when BH claims. Finally he switches to me. In his opinions of everyone post, he wrote how I was wishy washy and yet he did the exact same thing when he wrote about WoS.
On May 19 2013 20:18 goodkarma wrote:
WaveofShadow: I feel less good about lynching him right now. Looking through his filter, I see that he has an active involvement in the game. I'm not a fan of his playstyle, and the certainty of his statements about Grush and Sputnik were definitely scummy, but the way his reads evolve and the way he seems to actually care about what's going on in the thread indicates to me he's town (slight townread).
He also said in that post that he still thought jarjar was scummy. So why change to me? I already deconstructed his argument in my previous post on the matter but I feel I should a few thoughts. GK put a good emphasis on consolidation and it feels odd to throw a vote on me as I had a town read from a few players. What I think is more striking is the hypocrisy in his post about wishy washy behavior which he himself did with Wos above. I wonder if he will stick with his vote on me or will he fold like he did on grush when he realized no one would support him on that vote.
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Its a scum read because he's been absolutely horrible that has done nothing to help town but i felt that he would be a better vig shot thanhim lynch brcause of seeingthe votes .Gk is still a liar because he ignored my read on jarjar and the vote on him. He claimed i had no scum reads and yet i voted. Hence hes a liar
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On May 20 2013 04:24 s0Lstice wrote:
you see the issue with concluding your scum read with 'though he is most likely town' surely Spicy? If that was a scum read, why was that bit in there?
Yeah i see the problem. Basically his play is scummy as hell but it wouldnt make sense for a scum to play like that.
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I'm back till deadline. will address everything, going through posts now
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On May 20 2013 04:35 goodkarma wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 04:18 Spicydinosaur wrote:
Its a scum read because he's been absolutely horrible that has done nothing to help town but i felt that he would be a better vig shot thanhim lynch brcause of seeingthe votes .Gk is still a liar because he ignored my read on jarjar and the vote on him. He claimed i had no scum reads and yet i voted. Hence hes a liar No. I said you had no scumreads except for your vote post. EVERYONE has to post a vote, so obviously you'll have to at some point make a single stance for a vote cycle. That you were so hesitant to make any kind of scumreads up until that point is the casepoint I made. This is distinctly different from how you played your only other game (where you were town), which can be referenced by everyone here: NMM XLIIn said game, you were forthcoming with getting out scumreads, and showed a more active involvement with solving the game. Here, you seem more interested in giving an opinion here or there to show activity while not really sharing any scumreads.
If you want to bring my meta into this then fine. the newbie game reads were a hell of a lot easier. My analysis has been the same in both games, posting analysis of players. Simply because some of my earlier analysis didnt come up scum doesnt mean that my play is different. Take my recent read on you that you haven't responded to. Called you scum for your consolidation and rampant vote changing. Your tunneling of me this late goes against everything you said about consolidation in your earlier posts. You are scum and your attempt to get a late day bandwagoning going is evident of it.
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WoS i have a null read on. In my post where i voted jarjar and had to part of WoS in it, I was originally going to be putting my vote on WoS. I wasn't a fan of his earlier posts but the last parts sounded more towny so I decided to switch it someone else, jarjar. Didn't check my post before i published it so that was a fuck up on my part. "A lot of his posts are full of self doubt and lack confidence." that was supposed to be the start of jarjar's look and the stuff before should have been deleted.
My vote there was always on jarjar. look at the time of my post and the time i posted in the vote thread. should be pretty close.
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On May 20 2013 05:26 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 05:25 Spicydinosaur wrote:
WoS i have a null read on. In my post where i voted jarjar and had to part of WoS in it, I was originally going to be putting my vote on WoS. I wasn't a fan of his earlier posts but the last parts sounded more towny so I decided to switch it someone else, jarjar. Didn't check my post before i published it so that was a fuck up on my part. "A lot of his posts are full of self doubt and lack confidence." that was supposed to be the start of jarjar's look and the stuff before should have been deleted.
My vote there was always on jarjar. look at the time of my post and the time i posted in the vote thread. should be pretty close.
why was there a wos quote right after it was supposed to be talking about jar jar
It was a colossal fuck up in my post. didn't check it as i meant to delete everything about WOS. I can only guess that i saw the text above as stating the unsure statement and i didnt check below it.
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On May 20 2013 05:32 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 05:31 Blazinghand wrote:
yeah i'm not voting spicy dino if the entire case against him is "he made a mistake that literally makes him look more townie" No, it's also that he called a guy a scumread when in that very post, he was talking about him FLIPPING TOWN.
I read him as scum because of what he has been posting but wouldnt be suprised if he flipped town because it doesnt make sense for a scum player to play like that. That's why i didnt vote him as lynching someone else gets us info from who votes him.
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Dandel if you thought that sputnik should be vig shot and not lynched then why vote at the last second for the lynch?
On May 19 2013 21:00 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2013 05:45 marvellosity wrote:
The weirdest thing about Dandel that I noticed is when he gave a bunch of names he could lynch, sputnik wasn't one of them, when it seemed he would fit on the list he made. Becaue 1) I find him mildly amusing 2) he's hyper-lurking which should be dealt with by vigshootings/host KP
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On May 20 2013 07:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 07:50 Spicydinosaur wrote:Dandel if you thought that sputnik should be vig shot and not lynched then why vote at the last second for the lynch? On May 19 2013 21:00 Dandel Ion wrote:On May 19 2013 05:45 marvellosity wrote:
The weirdest thing about Dandel that I noticed is when he gave a bunch of names he could lynch, sputnik wasn't one of them, when it seemed he would fit on the list he made. Becaue 1) I find him mildly amusing 2) he's hyper-lurking which should be dealt with by vigshootings/host KP Do you think GK is scum?
yeah i do. I think he's overemphasizing meta way too much and holds double standards. Take me and WoS for example.
On May 19 2013 02:15 goodkarma wrote:
WaveofShadow, on the other hand, is a different matter. From what I remember of his play in The Game, he played pretty horribly. As town he was wishy washy about his stances on most players, and when he was nearly lynched the only thing that really saved him was that he blueclaimed. Here, he seems to be a lot more sure of himself in places, but in a way that doesn't really make sense to me from a town perspective. Sputnik, who basically made one scummy post and lurked, is "sure scum" to him. And Grush is "sure town" for saying starsenses. This has already been discussed, but the contrast from his townplay is what stands out to me. Further, he seems to really like asking people for scumreads. His questions don't seem to really have any purpose other than to make him look more active. Look at his filter and see how many times he asks a variation of "Who you think is scum?" It's a pretty pointless thing to ask, given everyone here is going to be giving their scumreads anyways.
##Unvote
##Vote: WaveofShadow
Here he says that WoS is scum because he's more sure of himself now, than when he was when he was town, hence he's scum. If WoS was more wishy washy like he was in previous games, gf would be ok with that according to his own logic.
On May 19 2013 20:18 goodkarma wrote:
Spicydinosaur: What stands out most to me about spicy is that he has had a bit to say but he's had literally ZERO scumreads most of the game. He's pretty wishy-washy in general. One post that demonstrated this well he literally started (in discussing Solstice) by saying “I think this guy is very scummy.” And ends the post saying “I don’t think he’s scum.” Further, in his vote post he somehow manages to mix up the name of who he’s voting for. For sure this could be an honest mistake, but it definitely doesn’t demonstrate he’s very invested in the game. When you think someone’s scum, it’s generally burning in your mind as you’re writing up your post. That he could just mix things up, say “oops sorry” to the thread, and then get away with it is disturbing to me. This is the kind of guy you shouldn't let fly under the radar. In the newbie game that just finished that I observed, he had opinions on other players he thought were scummy. That just isn’t the case here. He’s like “this guy looks kinda bad,” or “this guy is a shitty townie,” but when it comes to who’s actually scum he kinda doesn’t have much to say until his botched up vote post.
Here he says im scum for basically the same reason as WoS, in that I'm not acting like i did in my previous game where I had better reads earlier on.
If this is where his analysis ends that would be at least consistent. He goes on later to state that being wishy washy is a complete scum trait. He's not consistent with his reasonings. Also he claims that in the newbie game i had suspects and evolving opinions. My reading on WoS can easily be considered an evolving opinion. One of my posts about WoS started off claiming he was scum but then explained he got better. How is that not an evolving opinion. If i called WoS scum first, and then in a second post said eh nvm, how would that be different.
On May 19 2013 20:38 goodkarma wrote:
As for spicy, he only discussed Solstice when you prodded him to. I disagree that he had that response worked on / mostly onhand as you seem to have speculated. I think he just made it up on the spot. And that his reponse was the wishy-washy kind you'd see from scum. I'd encourage you to look at this game, and then look at his last newbie game. He has opinions this game for sure, but his scumhunting has been pretty nonexistent. In said newbie game, he had suspects and keeped evolving opinions.
These thoughts and the ones i've had on him previously make me believe he's scum.
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On May 20 2013 10:41 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh yeah didn't mention the lynch. I am a little surprised he flipped town honestly but as others have said he was going to have to die at some point. Eliminating chaff D1 isn't the worst thing to happen.
Why surprised?
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@WoS: I think you misread my early meta statements. I was calling out Sol for him saying he was always town and thus we should trust him to be town again. The difference with vayne was I was talking about his play style, which was so far similar. Sol wasn't talking about how he plays, just that he always rolled town.
As for my "spammy comments," look at the beginning of the game... lotta people wrote spam. Spam doesn't help town and thus seems scummy. Can you disagree with that?
Lastly, my case on jar jar, yeah i fucked that post up but i feel the follow up did a decent job of explaining the jarjar vote as you quoted above.
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On May 20 2013 10:56 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 10:52 Spicydinosaur wrote:On May 20 2013 10:41 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh yeah didn't mention the lynch. I am a little surprised he flipped town honestly but as others have said he was going to have to die at some point. Eliminating chaff D1 isn't the worst thing to happen.
Why surprised? Because literally everything he did this game was scummy.
I agree but didn't it seem over the top scummy, like no rational scum player would play it like that.
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I agree with you on the marv/ dandel shitstorm. I couldnt make anything out of it other than it was an attempt to rile marv up. The rest of your read on him is pretty good but I say right now i have a null read leading towards scum. His last second switch to sputnik is what is sending off a lot of flags, especially after he said he wasnt going to vote for him and wished that he be vig shot.
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On May 20 2013 11:51 s0Lstice wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 11:24 Spicydinosaur wrote:
I agree with you on the marv/ dandel shitstorm. I couldnt make anything out of it other than it was an attempt to rile marv up. The rest of your read on him is pretty good but I say right now i have a null read leading towards scum. His last second switch to sputnik is what is sending off a lot of flags, especially after he said he wasnt going to vote for him and wished that he be vig shot. This is important if you think Marv is town.
I have more of a town read on marv than i do on dandel. Though the riling up comment was a gut feeling i had when it occurred.
Time to watch thrones then bed
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