[M][N] Les Mafia - Page 18

On May 18 2013 07:19 marvellosity wrote:
My thoughts on what you've written;

points 1 and 2 don't hold up. especially because lurking is a bad thing for maifa, and encouraging anyone to post can be pretty town motivated.

point 3 could be valid though. the vote on stutters looks pretty weak. I can't see any good reason for s0lstice to want to kill stutters, it all looks a little contrived.

Not sure what to make of it all, I don't get massively strong feelings about any of it either way.

On May 18 2013 07:16 Blazinghand wrote:


see how could you possibly lynch a guy who legitimately thinks this is an ok post to make? There's no heuristic that could possibly distinguish scum VA from town VA. everyone should unvote this guy

On May 18 2013 07:20 marvellosity wrote:


it's not really worth talking about, but he doesn't realise that on TL we're skilled enough to find mafia day 1 fairly regularly :p

On May 18 2013 07:21 VayneAuthority wrote:


its more the fact that I come from playing on a site where EVERY DAY is mylo until its lylo.

On May 18 2013 07:22 marvellosity wrote:


then you play on a stupid site. because that means one mislynch means town loses, which is extraordinarily dumb.

On May 18 2013 07:25 Blazinghand wrote:
ok VA I get that if we're at MYLO you would want to no-lynch, but bear with me for a moment here and maybe I can bring us all together to agree on something. Currently, we are not at MYLO. This is a true statement. We are not at MYLO. Right now is not MYLO. Therefore, no-lynching is not the optimal move. Does that make sense?

On May 18 2013 07:26 VayneAuthority wrote:


Yes but my counterpoint is why get to mylo/lylo faster when we can always afford extra information? unless you are aware that prome usually shorthands the town of strong PR roles or likes to use 3rd parties or something.

On May 18 2013 07:27 marvellosity wrote:
Ok. btw people can semi-ignore me until tomorrow when I'm more sober, but my current thought is this:

vayne is probably town because he's constantly answered me in a pretty consistent manner. this isn't a certain read, but meh, maybe we should be looking somewhere else today. he seems to be saying some really weird shit that he genuinely believes in without being scared of it. yes?

On May 18 2013 07:27 marvellosity wrote:
Ok. btw people can semi-ignore me until tomorrow when I'm more sober, but my current thought is this:

vayne is probably town because he's constantly answered me in a pretty consistent manner. this isn't a certain read, but meh, maybe we should be looking somewhere else today. he seems to be saying some really weird shit that he genuinely believes in without being scared of it. yes?

On May 18 2013 07:31 yamato77 wrote:

I said this pages ago.

But yeah, it's nice you seem to agree.

On May 18 2013 07:29 Blazinghand wrote:


I see waht you're saying, but still disagree. Perhaps an example would suffice: Let's say that there's 4 VTs and 1 scum, who has 1 KP. Instead of lynching once and then being at LYLO (A), we could no-lynch twice and be at LYLO (B). In scenario A, all the VTs, and also the scum player, argue about who to lynch and the scum player is forced to make reads and take positions. He has to fake townreads and scumreads. He has to get involved. Even if a town player is lynched, you go into LYLO with a lot of staked out positions, reads, players, etc based on how the flip happened. In scenario B, both of the flips are determined by scum rather than town, so first off there's no chance of hitting scum with the first flip, and secondly, with no town-controlled flip to argue about, scum is not forced to stake out meaningful positions about scumreads and townreads. When there are multiple scum alive this is even more of a difference, since scum will be able to give up associative tells.

That's why it's generlaly considered to be a successful strat to lynch every day except specifically at MYLO in TL games.