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On May 22 2013 14:56 WaveofShadow wrote:
I SO want to be done with you right now, you patronizing &%#*&*#@.
Nobody fucking baits me into this shit better than you, BH. I guess you should be proud?
Now first of all:
This horseshit post.
How dare you say I'm not fucking contributing.
That's one. Do you want more? I have plenty.
I SO want to be done with you right now, you patronizing &%#*&*#@.
Nobody fucking baits me into this shit better than you, BH. I guess you should be proud?
Now first of all:
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On May 22 2013 12:57 Blazinghand wrote:
Sure! part of it is this post here (link) which to me looks like scum angling to be ABLE to place a vote on a potential wagon, but not willing to actually lay down his cards. Also, his interactions with me today have struck me as quite "off". I'm not sure why he seems so keen on attacking me for ignoring him when I haven't been ignoring him, or trying to make me look bad when there's no realistic way I'm not getting lynched. Being afk from the thread because you're bored is one thing-- showing up in the thread and posting without trying to contribute on anything other than an essentially predetermined lynch is quite another.
Admittedly, he has recently interacted at GK. That being said, I don't like that he's pushing at and prodding GK without responding to my requests to look at the case I wrote, either. This all seems very off, very not like someone trying.
I get that this isn't the strongest of reads, but his wishywashiness D1 and his play today strike me as scum angling to blend in and look good rather than someone legitimately trying to find things out about the game.
On May 22 2013 12:49 Stutters695 wrote:
BH can you give me a rundown on what you see in WoS. It doesn't have to be super in depth but when I did a skim of his filter it really didn't seem that bad.
BH can you give me a rundown on what you see in WoS. It doesn't have to be super in depth but when I did a skim of his filter it really didn't seem that bad.
Sure! part of it is this post here (link) which to me looks like scum angling to be ABLE to place a vote on a potential wagon, but not willing to actually lay down his cards. Also, his interactions with me today have struck me as quite "off". I'm not sure why he seems so keen on attacking me for ignoring him when I haven't been ignoring him, or trying to make me look bad when there's no realistic way I'm not getting lynched. Being afk from the thread because you're bored is one thing-- showing up in the thread and posting without trying to contribute on anything other than an essentially predetermined lynch is quite another.
Admittedly, he has recently interacted at GK. That being said, I don't like that he's pushing at and prodding GK without responding to my requests to look at the case I wrote, either. This all seems very off, very not like someone trying.
I get that this isn't the strongest of reads, but his wishywashiness D1 and his play today strike me as scum angling to blend in and look good rather than someone legitimately trying to find things out about the game.
This horseshit post.
How dare you say I'm not fucking contributing.
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On May 22 2013 09:05 WaveofShadow wrote:
Alright I was about to ask where the hell he mentioned me but it appears he posted while I was writing something and I missed it.
I'm curious as to why 3 scumreads is enough. I'd also still like him to elaborate on me because that's a hell of a lot less detail he goes into than he did regarding GK.
A days-old read is not enough imo, especially since he says I was one of his top scumreads and he did absolutely nothing about it. I'm fishing for reasons to attack him as well he says, when in fact I'm trying to cover all avenues and possibilities because as I've said multiple times, I'M NOT sure BH is 100% scum. BH you say I don't read what you've wrote but have you read at all what I've written about you? This is a completely baseless attack on me and reeks of absolutely no effort. Why do I not deserve the effort you seem to have started putting into the game recently?
On May 22 2013 08:46 Stutters695 wrote:
His three would be GK, you, DI in order of scumminess based off of our talks.
His three would be GK, you, DI in order of scumminess based off of our talks.
Alright I was about to ask where the hell he mentioned me but it appears he posted while I was writing something and I missed it.
I'm curious as to why 3 scumreads is enough. I'd also still like him to elaborate on me because that's a hell of a lot less detail he goes into than he did regarding GK.
I'm modestly sure WoS is scum. He had an extremely flip-floppy post earlier in the game (link). I had him as one of my top scumreads over the course of D1, and it seems like he's fishing for reasons to attack me (like, what? I'm clearly getting lynched today) and not really reading what I have to write today. I'm not as positive on this as I am on my GK scumread though.
A days-old read is not enough imo, especially since he says I was one of his top scumreads and he did absolutely nothing about it. I'm fishing for reasons to attack him as well he says, when in fact I'm trying to cover all avenues and possibilities because as I've said multiple times, I'M NOT sure BH is 100% scum. BH you say I don't read what you've wrote but have you read at all what I've written about you? This is a completely baseless attack on me and reeks of absolutely no effort. Why do I not deserve the effort you seem to have started putting into the game recently?
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On May 22 2013 09:53 WaveofShadow wrote:
JJD:
NMM XXXIX - Ok the game I was originally thinking of when talking to Marv was NMM LX. I watched this game too and paid more attention to it than LX; I remember one of the players (scum) with the stupidest fakeclaim ever but it won them the game anyway lol. JJD's role in this game was Medic.
Upon reading this (my meta reads are shit but marv asked) right off the bat I notice he is much less afraid here to engage other people in discussions and most importantly, questions. He is not the most prolific poster around but despite his filter not being absolutely massive is not afraid whatsoever to point out other people's lack of posting/lurking. Just overall a clear and obvious effort in this game from JJD.
I sort of see what marv was originally looking for me to look for...there is a sort of aggression that certainly isn't present in XXXIX but I don't get the same feels that marv is, I guess. What stands out to me here is most of his posts and cases are set up to be almost rhetorical; that is he doesn't often directly address anyone in the thread, he simply posts. It's almost seems like avoiding eye contact when you're guilty. He doesn't often directly question anyone or follow a specific line of questioning very long as opposed to in XXXIX.
/meta
Take the above with a grain of salt because again I am not confident in my meta reads very much. They could go either way and I wouldn't mind if someone else looked into it to see if it has any merit.
As for specifics on JJD this game, I've a;ready point out his useless reads post here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=410972¤tpage=94#1863
His overall tunnely play against BH and grubbing for towncred I COULD see as town play, but I don't get then where he starts to suspect DP of bussing. I suppose not everyone sees things the way I do but I HIGHLY doubt in any way DPis anything but town the way he's been playing.
Like...this post is almost like a scum pleading at town "But wait guys! I think BH is scum and look at all the scummy things he did! Why do you still think I'm scum? I'm with you guise!!"
His case here and push on DP is interesting to say the least, but then he goes right back to BH and not a word at all about DP from then on where he magically flips onto me out of absolutely fucking nowhere.
I don't know...there are things in here I COULD see from a town perspective I guess? There are a whole bunch of other scummy things on top of it though and I think the scummy things win out. Especially since he appears to be pretty damn lurky long past his promised 'weekend lurking' time. A few posts a day is not enough.
JJD:
NMM XXXIX - Ok the game I was originally thinking of when talking to Marv was NMM LX. I watched this game too and paid more attention to it than LX; I remember one of the players (scum) with the stupidest fakeclaim ever but it won them the game anyway lol. JJD's role in this game was Medic.
Upon reading this (my meta reads are shit but marv asked) right off the bat I notice he is much less afraid here to engage other people in discussions and most importantly, questions. He is not the most prolific poster around but despite his filter not being absolutely massive is not afraid whatsoever to point out other people's lack of posting/lurking. Just overall a clear and obvious effort in this game from JJD.
I sort of see what marv was originally looking for me to look for...there is a sort of aggression that certainly isn't present in XXXIX but I don't get the same feels that marv is, I guess. What stands out to me here is most of his posts and cases are set up to be almost rhetorical; that is he doesn't often directly address anyone in the thread, he simply posts. It's almost seems like avoiding eye contact when you're guilty. He doesn't often directly question anyone or follow a specific line of questioning very long as opposed to in XXXIX.
/meta
Take the above with a grain of salt because again I am not confident in my meta reads very much. They could go either way and I wouldn't mind if someone else looked into it to see if it has any merit.
As for specifics on JJD this game, I've a;ready point out his useless reads post here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=410972¤tpage=94#1863
His overall tunnely play against BH and grubbing for towncred I COULD see as town play, but I don't get then where he starts to suspect DP of bussing. I suppose not everyone sees things the way I do but I HIGHLY doubt in any way DPis anything but town the way he's been playing.
On May 20 2013 22:56 JarJarDrinks wrote:
Well for starters I've been trying to push for a BH lynch all game. But DP still has me as a top scumread despite basically saying that he's 100% sure BH is scum. He earlier accused me of being a scummie that's too attached to my badwagon. You would think he'd back off me a bit since he supposedly believes that the guy I've been bandwagoning is scum.
On May 20 2013 22:46 marvellosity wrote:
Why on earth would you put forward the theory that DP is bussing? There's zero indication in your filter thus far that you think DP is suspicious.
On May 20 2013 22:39 JarJarDrinks wrote:
All caught up.
So BH scumslipped? I'm shocked. /end sarcasm
FWIW, I don't it's unreasonable to think that DP is bussing here. He's trying to gain town cred for a lynch that almost happened yesterday. If they thought that BH was most likely gonna get lynched or vigged, it'd be a pretty good scum play IMO.
I'm not saying I definately think it's true, but DP "catching" BH in scumslip when there are already several people suspecting BH doesn't make me think DP is any more likely to be town.
All caught up.
So BH scumslipped? I'm shocked. /end sarcasm
FWIW, I don't it's unreasonable to think that DP is bussing here. He's trying to gain town cred for a lynch that almost happened yesterday. If they thought that BH was most likely gonna get lynched or vigged, it'd be a pretty good scum play IMO.
I'm not saying I definately think it's true, but DP "catching" BH in scumslip when there are already several people suspecting BH doesn't make me think DP is any more likely to be town.
Why on earth would you put forward the theory that DP is bussing? There's zero indication in your filter thus far that you think DP is suspicious.
Well for starters I've been trying to push for a BH lynch all game. But DP still has me as a top scumread despite basically saying that he's 100% sure BH is scum. He earlier accused me of being a scummie that's too attached to my badwagon. You would think he'd back off me a bit since he supposedly believes that the guy I've been bandwagoning is scum.
Like...this post is almost like a scum pleading at town "But wait guys! I think BH is scum and look at all the scummy things he did! Why do you still think I'm scum? I'm with you guise!!"
On May 21 2013 01:24 JarJarDrinks wrote:
OK, Check out how hard DarthPunk was defending Sputnik
So why the F does he end up voting sputnik????
That explains why he'd take his vote off me. But it doesn't explain why he'd vote for the person that he had spent the previous 3 hours telling us was probably town. That was really the person he thought was the best lynch?
I don't why people are reading DP as such a townie cause I'm definately not seeing it.
OK, Check out how hard DarthPunk was defending Sputnik
On May 19 2013 23:53 DarthPunk wrote:
Sputnik is a bad lynch. He played exactly like this in his last town game. JJD is known to lurk as scum and can be active as town. Better lurker lynch of the two IMO
On May 19 2013 23:49 iamperfection wrote:
We can kill sputnik today see if BH pulls his head out of his ass.
We can kill sputnik today see if BH pulls his head out of his ass.
Sputnik is a bad lynch. He played exactly like this in his last town game. JJD is known to lurk as scum and can be active as town. Better lurker lynch of the two IMO
On May 19 2013 23:58 DarthPunk wrote:
OK. Go read his last game as blue, Read this game, and then realise he has played EXACTLY THIS WAY AS TOWN.
I don't get why you are pushing this so hard.
On May 19 2013 23:56 iamperfection wrote:
Sputnik claimed in the thread he isn't trying to hunt scum
On May 19 2013 23:53 DarthPunk wrote:
Sputnik is a bad lynch. He played exactly like this in his last town game. JJD is known to lurk as scum and can be active as town. Better lurker lynch of the two IMO
On May 19 2013 23:49 iamperfection wrote:
We can kill sputnik today see if BH pulls his head out of his ass.
We can kill sputnik today see if BH pulls his head out of his ass.
Sputnik is a bad lynch. He played exactly like this in his last town game. JJD is known to lurk as scum and can be active as town. Better lurker lynch of the two IMO
Sputnik claimed in the thread he isn't trying to hunt scum
OK. Go read his last game as blue, Read this game, and then realise he has played EXACTLY THIS WAY AS TOWN.
I don't get why you are pushing this so hard.
On May 20 2013 00:49 DarthPunk wrote:
OK. Look at it this way. JJD is KNOWN to lurk as scum and not lurk as town. It is more likely that if he is lurking he is scum.
Sputnik is KNOWN to lurk as town and ???? as scum. Therefore there is no reason to believe sputnik lurking has anything at all to do with his alignment.
On May 20 2013 00:00 Dandel Ion wrote:
Why would he not play exactly the same as scum too?
It's not like it's hard footsteps to follow, eh?
On May 19 2013 23:58 DarthPunk wrote:
OK. Go read his last game as blue, Read this game, and then realise he has played EXACTLY THIS WAY AS TOWN.
I don't get why you are pushing this so hard.
On May 19 2013 23:56 iamperfection wrote:
Sputnik claimed in the thread he isn't trying to hunt scum
On May 19 2013 23:53 DarthPunk wrote:
Sputnik is a bad lynch. He played exactly like this in his last town game. JJD is known to lurk as scum and can be active as town. Better lurker lynch of the two IMO
On May 19 2013 23:49 iamperfection wrote:
We can kill sputnik today see if BH pulls his head out of his ass.
We can kill sputnik today see if BH pulls his head out of his ass.
Sputnik is a bad lynch. He played exactly like this in his last town game. JJD is known to lurk as scum and can be active as town. Better lurker lynch of the two IMO
Sputnik claimed in the thread he isn't trying to hunt scum
OK. Go read his last game as blue, Read this game, and then realise he has played EXACTLY THIS WAY AS TOWN.
I don't get why you are pushing this so hard.
Why would he not play exactly the same as scum too?
It's not like it's hard footsteps to follow, eh?
On May 19 2013 23:57 iamperfection wrote:
Also you guys use meta way to much
Also you guys use meta way to much
OK. Look at it this way. JJD is KNOWN to lurk as scum and not lurk as town. It is more likely that if he is lurking he is scum.
Sputnik is KNOWN to lurk as town and ???? as scum. Therefore there is no reason to believe sputnik lurking has anything at all to do with his alignment.
On May 20 2013 01:48 DarthPunk wrote:
it was purely activity based, and he was vig shot in that game not modkilled.
JJD has done nothing also. If JJD does something I am fine with switching.
On May 20 2013 01:44 marvellosity wrote:
DP, I really don't like your meta comparison with sputnik. Sure he was inactive and got modkilled, but that's not really what I'm looking at at least.
In the game in the database, he made one, er, "trolly/fun" (? bad description maybe) post but then all of his subsequent posts were on the ball, talking about the game, calmly written. He asked about mayors running, he gave his preference (none :p) on the candidates, he gave his opinion.
In this game he's yapped around in some weird Les Mis character I guess and offered no opinions on anything, other than a silly little list post.
I think the use of meta here to clear his play is completely incorrect.
DP, I really don't like your meta comparison with sputnik. Sure he was inactive and got modkilled, but that's not really what I'm looking at at least.
In the game in the database, he made one, er, "trolly/fun" (? bad description maybe) post but then all of his subsequent posts were on the ball, talking about the game, calmly written. He asked about mayors running, he gave his preference (none :p) on the candidates, he gave his opinion.
In this game he's yapped around in some weird Les Mis character I guess and offered no opinions on anything, other than a silly little list post.
I think the use of meta here to clear his play is completely incorrect.
it was purely activity based, and he was vig shot in that game not modkilled.
JJD has done nothing also. If JJD does something I am fine with switching.
On May 20 2013 01:52 DarthPunk wrote:
OK there are two useless players.
Player 1 I expect nothing from
Player 2 I expect something from
Until player 2 meets my expectations I want to lynch him over player 1.
On May 20 2013 01:49 marvellosity wrote:
You can't meta activity on one previous game, because it doesn't support or deny anything.
You can't meta activity on one previous game, because it doesn't support or deny anything.
OK there are two useless players.
Player 1 I expect nothing from
Player 2 I expect something from
Until player 2 meets my expectations I want to lynch him over player 1.
So why the F does he end up voting sputnik????
On May 20 2013 02:13 DarthPunk wrote:
This is a good point actually. Im fine lynching him later if he doesn't drastically improve.
##unvote:
##Vote Sputnik
On May 20 2013 02:10 s0Lstice wrote:
Oy the claim
##unvote
All things considered, I'd be down with a sputnik lynch. I'm a little worried he rolled blue, and that's what his 'VT claim' was, but I have a history of being derpy around blues. Outside of that though there's nothing in his filter that I like and he's useless.
Don't want to lynch GK today, already said why.
Don't think I want to lynch JarJar....he is capable of being a perfectly active little townie from what I'm seeing in the game Marv was talking about. He says during the week he will do better, so I want to wait and see on him.
Need to read up on Dandel, that's what I'm gonna do now.
Oy the claim
##unvote
All things considered, I'd be down with a sputnik lynch. I'm a little worried he rolled blue, and that's what his 'VT claim' was, but I have a history of being derpy around blues. Outside of that though there's nothing in his filter that I like and he's useless.
Don't want to lynch GK today, already said why.
Don't think I want to lynch JarJar....he is capable of being a perfectly active little townie from what I'm seeing in the game Marv was talking about. He says during the week he will do better, so I want to wait and see on him.
Need to read up on Dandel, that's what I'm gonna do now.
This is a good point actually. Im fine lynching him later if he doesn't drastically improve.
##unvote:
##Vote Sputnik
That explains why he'd take his vote off me. But it doesn't explain why he'd vote for the person that he had spent the previous 3 hours telling us was probably town. That was really the person he thought was the best lynch?
I don't why people are reading DP as such a townie cause I'm definately not seeing it.
His case here and push on DP is interesting to say the least, but then he goes right back to BH and not a word at all about DP from then on where he magically flips onto me out of absolutely fucking nowhere.
I don't know...there are things in here I COULD see from a town perspective I guess? There are a whole bunch of other scummy things on top of it though and I think the scummy things win out. Especially since he appears to be pretty damn lurky long past his promised 'weekend lurking' time. A few posts a day is not enough.
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On May 22 2013 09:57 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh hey, GK. Are you around?
Bottom of this post.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=410972¤tpage=88#1752
Answer.
Oh hey, GK. Are you around?
Bottom of this post.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=410972¤tpage=88#1752
Answer.
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On May 22 2013 10:12 WaveofShadow wrote:
Ok yeah this one is Newbie XL, the one I was talking about where all three scum derped and voteswitched with 5 min to go at LYLO.
Already his filter is absolutely tiny in a game that has more pages than the previous one where he was town.
Hmm. Well at a quick glance he seems to be actually directly engaging people in conversation somewhat and asking questions though he never follows a line of questioning at all, just pops in and out and does random shit. Figures my earlier meta basis is likely wrong, though there is something to be said that he doesn't really push anyone at all this game....could be due to lurk, could be due to scum or both.
Either way he seems to be doing more this game than that earlier scum game?
I don't know fuck the meta.
Lol mathematically though at a glance (this is kinda funny, don't know if I'd vote him just based on this but still):
NMM XXXIX - TOWN - Filter is 4 pages, thread is 33 = 12%
NMM LX - SCUM - Filter is 2 pages, thread is 59 = 3%
This game---???? Filter is 2 pages, thread is 99 thus far = 2%
Which fits more?
(Obviously there are other factors like size of the game and how long the game was going for but JJD is well on track to fall FAR below his rate of posting as town)
Ok yeah this one is Newbie XL, the one I was talking about where all three scum derped and voteswitched with 5 min to go at LYLO.
Already his filter is absolutely tiny in a game that has more pages than the previous one where he was town.
Hmm. Well at a quick glance he seems to be actually directly engaging people in conversation somewhat and asking questions though he never follows a line of questioning at all, just pops in and out and does random shit. Figures my earlier meta basis is likely wrong, though there is something to be said that he doesn't really push anyone at all this game....could be due to lurk, could be due to scum or both.
Either way he seems to be doing more this game than that earlier scum game?
I don't know fuck the meta.
Lol mathematically though at a glance (this is kinda funny, don't know if I'd vote him just based on this but still):
NMM XXXIX - TOWN - Filter is 4 pages, thread is 33 = 12%
NMM LX - SCUM - Filter is 2 pages, thread is 59 = 3%
This game---???? Filter is 2 pages, thread is 99 thus far = 2%
Which fits more?
(Obviously there are other factors like size of the game and how long the game was going for but JJD is well on track to fall FAR below his rate of posting as town)
That's one. Do you want more? I have plenty.
Your first quote is talking about me (and GK, who i mentioned). Your second quote is a really long null-read on JJD that you say to take "with a grain of salt". Your third quote is talking about GK, who I acknowledged you talk about. Your final post is a weird and noneuseful meta read, including a reference to NMM LX which is a game that hasn't taken place yet, since we're on still on NMM XLII.
I dont' see any real contributions here, but I see a lot of stuff that looks like it!
