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On May 28 2013 14:11 VayneAuthority wrote:
? I dont even know what you are talking about, im saying you are the least suspected in your scum team so you started the bandwagon. That is what you being the "most cleared" means.
If JJD flips town we lose. lol.
How am I the least suspected of the people you've named? You and BH have been on my dick constantly. That's besides the point though. Yes we do lose if JJD flips town but he WON'T.
Think about it this way: even if the three of us voting JJD right now were all scum, why toss all of our votes in the ring and implicate ourselves this early, one after the other, when people like you have plenty of time to point it out? Why not wait and see where the rest of thread sentiment goes and see if just one townie sheeps Wave, the ringleader, and then safely jump on near the end of the day for the win?
Like, you're describing just horrendous scumplay, even for LYLO.
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What is it about JJD's play makes you think town, Vayne? I just don't get it.
On May 25 2013 15:20 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2013 15:11 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 25 2013 15:06 VayneAuthority wrote:
You know GK if you made more posts like this instead of martyring yourself I wouldnt want to have you lynched, just so were clear on that.
As well as your concern for me its nothing that I can really disprove, thats always been my playstyle if you want to look into me. I put down the vote I think has the best chance of winning the game regardless of what others think. If you think I have any sway on this game when everyone takes me as a joke you're out of your mind...
as I've said my scumteam is you/s0lstice/WoS/dandel, but now that dandel is SK im reconsidering if its just you 3 or if theres a 4th which I guess doesnt matter if we lose right now. It does matter. Who would you say is 4th scum? I'm interested to hear. Hell while you're at it, what makes me scummy? And solstice? Well I dont really have a strong opinion on it yet, it would be torn between my gut read on stutters (which btw my first gut read for every tl game has been correct so far) and JJD. The problem I have is that my gut reads are awesome, but JJD's play this game is throwing me off after playing with him in the newbie game. he was town then and hes playing way differently here so yea. read BH's analysis of why you are scummy, i have nothing less or more to add to it except whats in my filter. its pretty spot on. as for s0lstice its all in my filter, ive given like 3 massive posts on it so yea >>
This is the last you talk of him and it was days ago. How did you go from scum to town exactly?
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On May 28 2013 15:23 VayneAuthority wrote:
Bed time will answer any questions when I wake up.
The first questions you answer had better be the ones you ignored.
DP I am not sold on a Solstice lynch but the thought of both solstice and GK jumping on as they did without proper reasoning has me uneasy.
My vote remains for now.
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On May 28 2013 23:46 marvellosity wrote:
s0lstice, don't waste your time writing a case on me, it'll be genuinely terrible.
Lol this fucking attitude marv.
Nothing but shutting people down all game, how is this not suspicious?
Also will be phoneposting most of the day. Can't guarantee I will be around but i am still pushing for JJD when I can.
Grush needs to fucking show up, and marv what are you doing today? Do you want solstice or GK lynched or would you lynch JJD with me?
Why would solstice as scum remove his vote from the strongest wagon when the one on him has a chance of picking up steam? Another sac if both scum? Assuring one of them is in the clear after lynch? I can't tell. Defs not sure about solstice atm
I have to relook into solstice's points on JJD as well but I feel like they weren't amazing.
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On May 28 2013 23:54 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2013 23:54 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 28 2013 23:46 marvellosity wrote:
s0lstice, don't waste your time writing a case on me, it'll be genuinely terrible. Lol this fucking attitude marv. Nothing but shutting people down all game, how is this not suspicious? why don't you just read any of my many games in the universe ever?
I can't, I'm on my bb
So this is how you generally play? How is shutting down thread discussion a productive town way of playing
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DP clam down.
Marv what's the point of that? I'm assuming you don't think DP is scum for his vote on solstice.
For the record I find you more likely to be scum than DP as well but I'm not putting you ahead of others atm
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Fuck so much posting in here now can't catch up on phone.
Gotta go for a bit but ill def be at a comp before lynch at some point.
All of yall stick around, the zero acctivity days when I actually was around didn't help
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K back for a bit.
On May 29 2013 01:01 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2013 00:59 DarthPunk wrote:
I am willing to lynch GK for consolidation etc. we all need to consolidate so there are no last minute scum switches. Yea I think this is they key here to this day. Have to keep an eye on the people that havent voted yet... s0lstice taking his vote off me is so hilariously scummy but I already know why he did it. I wouldn't have a problem lynching either GK or s0lstice because they are both scum. Lets see who they are going to try to bus last second l0l.
This is so stupid, his vote wasn't even on you to begin with. Are you just randomly making up shit to call solstice scum? Tell me Vayne, why did he do it? And you never answered my questions from last night. Honestly, I'm losing my townread on you little by little. You randomly show up, sling shit, and disappear. You're just lucky I don't want to derail current lynch options today; it's bad enough for consolidation purposes there are already 3 apparent choices atm. When JJD flips scum I'm looking into you next hardcore.
Solstice: I disagree with your points regarding JJD's posting being 'genuine,' it seems just as likely to me that it's just smart and aggressive scumplay, whether or not you think he's capable of it. Nobody thought DP was scum for going balls to the wall on BH so JJD can easily get away with the same thing apparently.
I'm re-reading JJD again but there are so many things in there that just seem so ridiculous to me. It does however lead me tobelieve that they can't both be scum together; I'm still on JJD being the scum atm. Like, he responds to my suspicion that his switch onto solstice was scummy (because he doesn't talk about solstice at all pre-vote) without explaining that point of my reasoning. He then delves into a hugely convoluted case trying to look back at solstice only because I essentially forced him to.
The votes on GK right now seem pretty opportunistic considering (aside from Grush) he's the only one not around during the highly active period to properly defend himself. I just don't get why we're not 100% lynching JJD. I don't like the idea of 3 wagons atm so if my convincing of people continues to fail I will switch but I don't feel right about either solstice or GK right now. I'm really sick of re-reading so hopefully they'll come back so I can talk to them.
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On May 29 2013 02:50 VayneAuthority wrote:
you really love making big paragraphs about typo's, its pretty obvious that its "taking his vote off for me" I am not that dumb to think he was voting me today or something. What question did I not answer exactly? I responded to every single one of your posts
That wasn't obvious to me at all, but thanks for clearing it up.
On May 28 2013 14:54 WaveofShadow wrote:What is it about JJD's play makes you think town, Vayne? I just don't get it. Show nested quote +On May 25 2013 15:20 VayneAuthority wrote:On May 25 2013 15:11 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 25 2013 15:06 VayneAuthority wrote:
You know GK if you made more posts like this instead of martyring yourself I wouldnt want to have you lynched, just so were clear on that.
As well as your concern for me its nothing that I can really disprove, thats always been my playstyle if you want to look into me. I put down the vote I think has the best chance of winning the game regardless of what others think. If you think I have any sway on this game when everyone takes me as a joke you're out of your mind...
as I've said my scumteam is you/s0lstice/WoS/dandel, but now that dandel is SK im reconsidering if its just you 3 or if theres a 4th which I guess doesnt matter if we lose right now. It does matter. Who would you say is 4th scum? I'm interested to hear. Hell while you're at it, what makes me scummy? And solstice? Well I dont really have a strong opinion on it yet, it would be torn between my gut read on stutters (which btw my first gut read for every tl game has been correct so far) and JJD. The problem I have is that my gut reads are awesome, but JJD's play this game is throwing me off after playing with him in the newbie game. he was town then and hes playing way differently here so yea. read BH's analysis of why you are scummy, i have nothing less or more to add to it except whats in my filter. its pretty spot on. as for s0lstice its all in my filter, ive given like 3 massive posts on it so yea >> This is the last you talk of him and it was days ago. How did you go from scum to town exactly?
Where was your response to this?
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On May 29 2013 03:00 marvellosity wrote:
WoS, I'm struggling to find any sort of consolidated case on JJD in your filter. Can you throw some points together?
"there are so many things that seem ridiculous to me", I'd like to know what these are especially
On May 22 2013 10:12 WaveofShadow wrote:Ok yeah this one is Newbie XL, the one I was talking about where all three scum derped and voteswitched with 5 min to go at LYLO. Already his filter is absolutely tiny in a game that has more pages than the previous one where he was town. Hmm. Well at a quick glance he seems to be actually directly engaging people in conversation somewhat and asking questions though he never follows a line of questioning at all, just pops in and out and does random shit. Figures my earlier meta basis is likely wrong, though there is something to be said that he doesn't really push anyone at all this game....could be due to lurk, could be due to scum or both. Either way he seems to be doing more this game than that earlier scum game? I don't know fuck the meta. Lol mathematically though at a glance (this is kinda funny, don't know if I'd vote him just based on this but still): NMM XXXIX - TOWN - Filter is 4 pages, thread is 33 = 12% NMM LX - SCUM - Filter is 2 pages, thread is 59 = 3% This game---???? Filter is 2 pages, thread is 99 thus far = 2% Which fits more?  (Obviously there are other factors like size of the game and how long the game was going for but JJD is well on track to fall FAR below his rate of posting as town)
On May 22 2013 09:53 WaveofShadow wrote:JJD: NMM XXXIX - Ok the game I was originally thinking of when talking to Marv was NMM LX. I watched this game too and paid more attention to it than LX; I remember one of the players (scum) with the stupidest fakeclaim ever but it won them the game anyway lol. JJD's role in this game was Medic. Upon reading this (my meta reads are shit but marv asked) right off the bat I notice he is much less afraid here to engage other people in discussions and most importantly, questions. He is not the most prolific poster around but despite his filter not being absolutely massive is not afraid whatsoever to point out other people's lack of posting/lurking. Just overall a clear and obvious effort in this game from JJD. I sort of see what marv was originally looking for me to look for...there is a sort of aggression that certainly isn't present in XXXIX but I don't get the same feels that marv is, I guess. What stands out to me here is most of his posts and cases are set up to be almost rhetorical; that is he doesn't often directly address anyone in the thread, he simply posts. It's almost seems like avoiding eye contact when you're guilty. He doesn't often directly question anyone or follow a specific line of questioning very long as opposed to in XXXIX. /meta Take the above with a grain of salt because again I am not confident in my meta reads very much. They could go either way and I wouldn't mind if someone else looked into it to see if it has any merit. As for specifics on JJD this game, I've a;ready point out his useless reads post here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=410972¤tpage=94#1863His overall tunnely play against BH and grubbing for towncred I COULD see as town play, but I don't get then where he starts to suspect DP of bussing. I suppose not everyone sees things the way I do but I HIGHLY doubt in any way DPis anything but town the way he's been playing. Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 22:56 JarJarDrinks wrote:On May 20 2013 22:46 marvellosity wrote:On May 20 2013 22:39 JarJarDrinks wrote:
All caught up.
So BH scumslipped? I'm shocked. /end sarcasm
FWIW, I don't it's unreasonable to think that DP is bussing here. He's trying to gain town cred for a lynch that almost happened yesterday. If they thought that BH was most likely gonna get lynched or vigged, it'd be a pretty good scum play IMO.
I'm not saying I definately think it's true, but DP "catching" BH in scumslip when there are already several people suspecting BH doesn't make me think DP is any more likely to be town. Why on earth would you put forward the theory that DP is bussing? There's zero indication in your filter thus far that you think DP is suspicious. Well for starters I've been trying to push for a BH lynch all game. But DP still has me as a top scumread despite basically saying that he's 100% sure BH is scum. He earlier accused me of being a scummie that's too attached to my badwagon. You would think he'd back off me a bit since he supposedly believes that the guy I've been bandwagoning is scum. Like...this post is almost like a scum pleading at town "But wait guys! I think BH is scum and look at all the scummy things he did! Why do you still think I'm scum? I'm with you guise!!" Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 01:24 JarJarDrinks wrote:OK, Check out how hard DarthPunk was defending Sputnik On May 19 2013 23:53 DarthPunk wrote:On May 19 2013 23:49 iamperfection wrote:
We can kill sputnik today see if BH pulls his head out of his ass. Sputnik is a bad lynch. He played exactly like this in his last town game. JJD is known to lurk as scum and can be active as town. Better lurker lynch of the two IMO On May 19 2013 23:58 DarthPunk wrote:On May 19 2013 23:56 iamperfection wrote:On May 19 2013 23:53 DarthPunk wrote:On May 19 2013 23:49 iamperfection wrote:
We can kill sputnik today see if BH pulls his head out of his ass. Sputnik is a bad lynch. He played exactly like this in his last town game. JJD is known to lurk as scum and can be active as town. Better lurker lynch of the two IMO Sputnik claimed in the thread he isn't trying to hunt scum OK. Go read his last game as blue, Read this game, and then realise he has played EXACTLY THIS WAY AS TOWN. I don't get why you are pushing this so hard. On May 20 2013 00:49 DarthPunk wrote:On May 20 2013 00:00 Dandel Ion wrote:On May 19 2013 23:58 DarthPunk wrote:On May 19 2013 23:56 iamperfection wrote:On May 19 2013 23:53 DarthPunk wrote:On May 19 2013 23:49 iamperfection wrote:
We can kill sputnik today see if BH pulls his head out of his ass. Sputnik is a bad lynch. He played exactly like this in his last town game. JJD is known to lurk as scum and can be active as town. Better lurker lynch of the two IMO Sputnik claimed in the thread he isn't trying to hunt scum OK. Go read his last game as blue, Read this game, and then realise he has played EXACTLY THIS WAY AS TOWN. I don't get why you are pushing this so hard. Why would he not play exactly the same as scum too? It's not like it's hard footsteps to follow, eh? On May 19 2013 23:57 iamperfection wrote:
Also you guys use meta way to much OK. Look at it this way. JJD is KNOWN to lurk as scum and not lurk as town. It is more likely that if he is lurking he is scum. Sputnik is KNOWN to lurk as town and ???? as scum. Therefore there is no reason to believe sputnik lurking has anything at all to do with his alignment. On May 20 2013 01:48 DarthPunk wrote:On May 20 2013 01:44 marvellosity wrote:
DP, I really don't like your meta comparison with sputnik. Sure he was inactive and got modkilled, but that's not really what I'm looking at at least.
In the game in the database, he made one, er, "trolly/fun" (? bad description maybe) post but then all of his subsequent posts were on the ball, talking about the game, calmly written. He asked about mayors running, he gave his preference (none :p) on the candidates, he gave his opinion.
In this game he's yapped around in some weird Les Mis character I guess and offered no opinions on anything, other than a silly little list post.
I think the use of meta here to clear his play is completely incorrect. it was purely activity based, and he was vig shot in that game not modkilled. JJD has done nothing also. If JJD does something I am fine with switching. On May 20 2013 01:52 DarthPunk wrote:On May 20 2013 01:49 marvellosity wrote:
You can't meta activity on one previous game, because it doesn't support or deny anything. OK there are two useless players. Player 1 I expect nothing from Player 2 I expect something from Until player 2 meets my expectations I want to lynch him over player 1. So why the F does he end up voting sputnik???? On May 20 2013 02:13 DarthPunk wrote:On May 20 2013 02:10 s0Lstice wrote:
Oy the claim
##unvote
All things considered, I'd be down with a sputnik lynch. I'm a little worried he rolled blue, and that's what his 'VT claim' was, but I have a history of being derpy around blues. Outside of that though there's nothing in his filter that I like and he's useless.
Don't want to lynch GK today, already said why.
Don't think I want to lynch JarJar....he is capable of being a perfectly active little townie from what I'm seeing in the game Marv was talking about. He says during the week he will do better, so I want to wait and see on him.
Need to read up on Dandel, that's what I'm gonna do now. This is a good point actually. Im fine lynching him later if he doesn't drastically improve. ##unvote:
##Vote Sputnik That explains why he'd take his vote off me. But it doesn't explain why he'd vote for the person that he had spent the previous 3 hours telling us was probably town. That was really the person he thought was the best lynch? I don't why people are reading DP as such a townie cause I'm definately not seeing it. His case here and push on DP is interesting to say the least, but then he goes right back to BH and not a word at all about DP from then on where he magically flips onto me out of absolutely fucking nowhere. I don't know...there are things in here I COULD see from a town perspective I guess? There are a whole bunch of other scummy things on top of it though and I think the scummy things win out. Especially since he appears to be pretty damn lurky long past his promised 'weekend lurking' time. A few posts a day is not enough.
Here's a couple (not sure how you missed them exactly if you were looking at my filter but whatever).
TL;DR- My scumread of him is based on terrible reads (ie, fake) throughout the game that I personally believe do not belong to simply bad town, opportunistic active lurking (less so now than earlier in the game but still very lurky), and often zero explanation of vote flip-flopping. All pretty clear scum hallmarks to me and nothing in his play has shown me otherwise. Maybe if people actually looked into my cases WHEN I FUCKING MADE THEM, MARV, we could have been over this days ago. By all means though, continue to ignore me.
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Honestly, did you take a fucking second to even LOOK at my filter? I was talking about JJD the whole fucking game. Early on in the game my read of him was simply based on his opportunistic lurking but as he posted I was able to bring up real examples of his terrible posting. Like just in the past day or two:
On May 26 2013 12:33 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2013 12:32 JarJarDrinks wrote:
I'm not really sure what Solstice is trying to say w/ his numbers cause it makes no sense to me. The fact that DL was scum makes Marv look damn good IMO. Why in the world would he fight so hard to keep DL in the noose if he was scum?
Solstice, are you trying to say that scum would actually prefer to get one of their own lynched instead of the SK? That's insane. Are you fucking kidding me right now JJD? He didn't have to do shit to keep DI in the noose. You think it was because of marv that the vote to lynch him was unanimous?
And this was like a fucking hour ago.
Solstice: I disagree with your points regarding JJD's posting being 'genuine,' it seems just as likely to me that it's just smart and aggressive scumplay, whether or not you think he's capable of it. Nobody thought DP was scum for going balls to the wall on BH so JJD can easily get away with the same thing apparently.
I'm re-reading JJD again but there are so many things in there that just seem so ridiculous to me. It does however lead me tobelieve that they can't both be scum together; I'm still on JJD being the scum atm. Like, he responds to my suspicion that his switch onto solstice was scummy (because he doesn't talk about solstice at all pre-vote) without explaining that point of my reasoning. He then delves into a hugely convoluted case trying to look back at solstice only because I essentially forced him to.
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A billion posts?
I count four quoted posts in the two i just made. Total. You're being lazy and a #^@%^. And I wouldn't be so frustrated with being ignored if it didn't happen every fucking game by people who think they're too good to listen.
If you truly are town you have a real funny way of showing it.
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Fuck this I get baited into arguing way too easily.
Solstice if we don't lose the game here and now I promise I will look hardcore into marv because there will not be enough support garnered to lynch him right now and it's too late in the day to start fucking around with new wagons.
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On May 29 2013 03:29 marvellosity wrote:like seriously, if you think this: Show nested quote +On May 29 2013 03:00 marvellosity wrote:
WoS, I'm struggling to find any sort of consolidated case on JJD in your filter. Can you throw some points together?
"there are so many things that seem ridiculous to me", I'd like to know what these are especially is baiting you into arguing, I have no idea where your head is at. It couldn't be much more polite.
I was referring to telling me to fuck off and threatening to ignore me.
I am responding to your other post. give me a sec.
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On May 29 2013 03:27 marvellosity wrote:
one of those posts was a semi-serious post-counting exercise
one of them was a post concluding with "i think the scummy things work out"
one of them was a post about the DI lynch that I didn't think was that atrocious
one of them was a post that I actually responded to asking you questions in the first place.
how am I being a douche when I asked you perfectly nicely for some consolidated reasons, and you just started swearing at me? Get a grip.
To repeat, you said there are "so many things that seem ridiculous to me"
you pointed out one you find ridiculous, what are the other 'so many'? Because in those posts alone your conclusions weren't as firm as you're making them out to be now.
1) Does it have merit or not? I wouldn't lynch him on it alone but there are obviously other contributing factors I find significant.
2) Nobody commented on it. When I filter dive I try to consider things from scum and town perspectives and I often end up with a lot from both sides. I did the same thing with Palmar in LXI and the same kind of post where I am clearly looking for discussion and feedback goes ignored.
3) Difference of opinion then. I disagree
4) You comment on the fact that I call his posts ridiculous and yet you don't comment on the actual evidence I bring in that same post.
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On May 29 2013 03:32 marvellosity wrote:
Yes, and maybe I wouldn't have told you to fuck off if you hadn't swore at me 5 times in the preceding posts and accused me of ignoring you when I've been talking to you all game.
Did you think of that, hmm?
Fair point I suppose, but I didn't feel great about our exchanges all game, and I believe I've mentioned that. They feel fairly one-sided and in some of them you have shut down my line of thinking. Apparently that's how you play town, so fine.
Yes you have been around to talk to me but it's only in those short bursts and when I take the time and effort to make a real case and post a lot regarding somebody, that kind of thing goes ignored. I still remember the huge fight in The Game where RoL argued that there should be less spam and more consolidation/big cases yet no one seems to want to read big cases.
Ever.
So frustration explained, let me go find a couple more examples if the ones I gave aren't good enough.
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Here's one right off the bat.
Read this
On May 20 2013 01:53 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2013 01:34 marvellosity wrote:
So what do you make of BH's claim?
Who do you want to kill today if not BH? Obviously I think he's lying, otherwise I wouldn't still be voting vor him. He claimed after everyone started voting him to try and save himself. I'd assume that's a standard scum play. If I had to choose for someone else to be lynched, I'd pick grush. Here's a slight case I posted against him: + Show Spoiler +On May 18 2013 21:09 JarJarDrinks wrote:So, in case I'm missing anything: this STARSENSES thing: I get that it's something grush usually says and didn't this game. Is there more to it than that or is that about it? I'd think that'd be a pretty dumb scum mistake if that's all it is. Though he'd obviously know all that so I don't think I'd read anything into it. HOWEVER, looking @ his filter, I'm trying to see if there's anything that looks townie about him. First he tells sputnik that he's playing textbook scum but when I ask about it he says he sounds noob town. The only other insight he offered was jumping on vayne. Show nested quote +On May 18 2013 04:45 JarJarDrinks wrote:On May 18 2013 04:28 grush57 wrote:
damnit sputnik you're playing textbook scum You're saying that as if you're upset about it. Are you actually reading him as scum right now? The reason I questioned him here is it just sounds like he knows sputnik is town and playing bad. Not quite as sure about him as I am BH, but he's my second choice.
and then this.
On May 20 2013 04:51 JarJarDrinks wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote Spicydinosaur
Guess everyone is believing BHs claim. :\
I like a spicy lynch way better then a GK or sputnik lynch.
He's SO SURE about BH forever and wants to make his read look genuine in spite of the claim. Only when he feels thread sentiment is changing does he get worried and feel that he has to remove his vote. No explanation besides 'welp no one else is voting BH so i'd better not either!'
Here's another:
On May 21 2013 22:15 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2013 21:36 Spicydinosaur wrote:
jarjar, who are your other scum reads? YOU, Darthpunk and probably Grush You - based on the CnP fail as well as just being inconsistant in your explaination for it. DP - reasons already stated. Grush - for not posting any real opinion yet this game.
I commented at the time on how horrible this post is. One out of the three is someone he hasn't even mentioned yet. DP - dumb but whatever, he explained it. The Spicy push makes no sense here to me at all based on the simple reasoning of his copy and paste mistake. Furthermore he only really explains himself ONCE AGAIN when asked. Looks here like a weak attempt to provide random reads to get town off his back, which it didn't.
Call it a 'feels' thing from me if you must, marv, but I feel like JJD's posting all game has been needlessly aggressive, following town sentiment when it's convenient but flagrantly against town sentiment at other times, and overall it seems like he only reads the thread and explains himself when pressured to. The 'ridiculousness' stems from the fact where he is just being weird with his aggression and the times where he gets called out for not reading, and then is forced to.
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I'm out for a little while again but I should be back with enough time before lynch to consolidate where necessary.
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This fucking grush.
Alright solstice what did you want.
Im in and out I'm making dinner/taking care of kid while wife is exercising
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On May 29 2013 05:32 s0Lstice wrote:
I want to talk about how much this lynch sucks. I feel like I'm voting the SK right now over someone I think is town.
Explain to me in detail how JJD is town.
And if JJD is town and GK is SK who are the three scum?
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