EPTMindset gelling and whatnot I can understand to a certain degree, but any experienced player can give zero fucks. I was actually going to call solstice out on his townread of me for the exact same thing.
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Mindset gelling and whatnot I can understand to a certain degree, but any experienced player can give zero fucks. I was actually going to call solstice out on his townread of me for the exact same thing. | ||
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On May 26 2013 11:53 DarthPunk wrote: If marv was scum he wouldn't have stopped doing things because he would want to look townie. it's WIFOM but also accurate. I'm sorry but it's not even WIFOM, you're just making excuses for him. Scum or town right now I find his behaviour to be anti-town right now and he needs to do something about it. Are you confident we can solve this game if the rest of the people in this thread uphold the status quo as it has been set thus far? | ||
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On May 26 2013 12:04 s0Lstice wrote: On my phone atm. Your filter looks fine DP, but your reads and mine right now are so opposite that I have to wonder. Like I said earlier, I'm having to find scum from a bunch of former town reads. I'm frustrated because if there 4 scum like we think (probably are, dandels play makes no sense otherwise), then town has effectively already lost this game. I really do think marv is scum. If anyone, he should have been the voice of reason during the whole bh thing. He even said in the mason qt that there was a perfectly townie reason for the slip, and that was that BH literally didn't give a shit about the game when it happened....enough that he didn't know how many people were in the game. I made the mistake of assuming that he would at least know its a 16 player game he was in. Let me ask you something else. Was it obvious to you that iamp was a town mason? On night 1, iamp dies and you are roleblocked dp. Is it more likely that the scum team saw iamps claim and switched targets (plus the roleblock) in the 7 minutes they had, or that they knew the entire time because marv is scum. After the slip, the first thing marv did in thread was nitpick a tiny semantics issue in something I posted. He didn't even care to read what I said right, despite saying to iamp in mason qt that everyone should keep an eye on me. Is this town marv to you? BH scumslips, kind of a big deal, and he puts it aside to talk about something inconsequential. He doesn't even comment definitively on the slip until you drag it out of him dp. There's been other times too where he's had uncharacteristic reading comprehension errors. It just doesn't seem like town marv to me. This. I had actually come up with this point myself because if we take that factor alone, it honestly seems more likely that scum already knew about the mason than picked him up with like 5 min to go until deadline. Again, I'm not convinced that marv is scum atm, but that's a pretty big point against him right now. I was willing to throw all reasonable doubt aside at that point in the game because like you said, DP, he really did appear to be a shining example of all that town stands for, but marv's seeming lack of caring about the game recently has forced me to think about these things. He is by no means my primary scumread atm, that honour still goes to JJD right now, but I would very much like for him to come back and show us why he isn't scum. | ||
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On May 26 2013 12:08 s0Lstice wrote: Wos 5-4 means the town is once again in control of its own destiny. We have the majority of the votes. 4-3-1 that is not true. More, 4-3-1 is super unlikely. Its more likely to be 3-3-1 after tonight, and that puts scum firmly in control imo. They're only in control if they can pick out the SK, no? I suppose it really depends on whether scum is more confident that they can dig up the SK or mislynch town? If your scenario is true it may be that Dandel was telling the truth but at which point can they afford to use a NK to kill him, or force a lynch on him, especially if he has a bulletproof vest (common to SK roles)? | ||
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Do you also still think DP and marv are both scum? | ||
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On May 26 2013 12:19 s0Lstice wrote: We have been a pretty derpy town. I think scum know who the SK is. They will probably try to lynch him tomorrow. Talk to DP first imo. Then when you're done I'd like to know, if this is true, how should we be attempting to play tomorrow? There is a lot of WIFOM involved with the answer to this question you've insinuated with your statement. | ||
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On May 26 2013 12:22 DarthPunk wrote: Like wtf is this. You have all these assertions about what scum think and what their plans are but you provide absolutely no analysis to back them. Like this is just useless shit you are talking I hope you realise. Anyway the NA vs KR match is on soon so I will be gone when that starts. Oh shits me too. Watched NA v EU w/yamato yesterday. ^-^ | ||
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On May 26 2013 12:32 JarJarDrinks wrote: I'm not really sure what Solstice is trying to say w/ his numbers cause it makes no sense to me. The fact that DL was scum makes Marv look damn good IMO. Why in the world would he fight so hard to keep DL in the noose if he was scum? Solstice, are you trying to say that scum would actually prefer to get one of their own lynched instead of the SK? That's insane. Are you fucking kidding me right now JJD? He didn't have to do shit to keep DI in the noose. You think it was because of marv that the vote to lynch him was unanimous? | ||
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On May 27 2013 07:56 marvellosity wrote: oh were you now Ohai guise I back. What is this? If you think GK was SK and claimed RB to avoid being outed, but you think the explanation for last night's NK is GK was roleblocked, but solstice claimed? And you're still comfortable lynching GK? What do you think is going on here? And as for JJD's latest post.... is it actually something to look at? My first thoughts are just grush being grush and JJD is just pointing his scummy fingers anywhere he can. I've had a scumread on him the entire game and as he is my strongest read atm: ##Vote: JarJarDrinks Right now I am voting for scum but if it turns out we have to lynch SK instead for whatever reason (I don't think that's true?) assuming we can actually figure out who it is based on RBs and shit I will swap; I refuse to take part in the bullshit numbers discussion to figure out why we should be lynching though, I'd prefer to actually figure out WHO. I will be around for the next little while if people are around (which it doesn't look like) and all day tomorrow; marv I am particularly interested in your forthcoming return to the game, as I am not completely convinced of your innocence as other people seem to be. I must also admit solstice isn't looking so great any more...JJD/marv/solstice scumteam with GK as SK is possible to me atm. GK I am really not sure about though and would really like to hear more from him tomorrow. Marv/solstice constantly arguing over inane bullshit is a great way to cause confusion. I want to say I'd be comfortable sheeping DP as he is my only 100% townread atm (grush in close second followed by vayne) but I'm never comfortable sheeping anyone. I will be reading tonight and tomorrow scum, oh you'd better believe it. /ramble | ||
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On May 27 2013 19:29 marvellosity wrote: WoS, I'm sure mafia are pooping their pants at your threats to read, given you appear to believe that s0lstice and I could be on a mafia-team together after the arguments we've had. Dem be real arguments broski. I think we've had everyone check in but grush, and one roleblock claimed; so GK's rb on night 2 is an 'extra' roleblock. Of course it's possible that Stutters was roleblocked, but unfortunately we'll never know. JJD and GK are my main trains of thought today, if at least one of them isn't anti-town i'll eat Blazinghand's hat. I'd like to see those trains of thought then. Who do you envision the scumteam to be atm? I still don't know very much about your reads at all this game marv, all you do is comment on other people's shit lately. | ||
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On May 27 2013 16:12 goodkarma wrote: Well, assuming that my town column is correct, by process of elimination: VA/Solstice/JJD are scum I'm still convinced that WoS and Grush are town, and as best I can tell DP and Marv are town (I'll take another look at their filters tomorrow)... So really that's the only remaining possibility... I'll see if there's anything I may have missed tomorrow. Can you explain why you are convinced Grush is town? Your reads on him throughout the game have gone from: scum and voting him---> Unvoting him but still want to lynch him---> 'blind leap of faith' and assume he's town for now---> convinced he's town When nothing he has done has really changed at all. Might it be that once you realized there is no way in hell grush is getting mislynched you had to back of without completely flip-flopping? I just don't understand when people were telling you the same things about him essentially all game why you've had to gradually come to believe he is town. Also: Your scumteam was stutters/vayne/marv before the NK and now you've updated that to solstice/vayne/marv thanks to process of elimination. What do you actually find scummy about solstice to add him to that list besides exclusion from your town column? It also looks a lot like the only people you find scummy are the ones who are still suspecting you. | ||
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Iamp: GK- I will not be deterred this time i doubt myself just because he was active during the lynch time but e does the same thing every time posts some nice stuff then checks out he justifies then leaves i dont see give and take with the town still so he continues to look like he isnt figuring stuff out. Obvious mafia kill. Aside: Marv did specifically tell iamp not to post the logs and I doubt he knows iamp SO well that he knew he could reverse psychology the shit out of him to make him post logs as scum, so my earlier point against him here makes him lean town on this, though still possible that he wanted to look good as scum if he assumed logs could be posted. Stutters: On May 27 2013 05:59 Stutters695 wrote: In case I get shot I'd really look at GK. We're probably fucked but look into him. He's constantly skating around lynches when he should be dead If we are assuming SK or SK target has to be solstice, then Stutters was mafia NK. yamato: On May 23 2013 10:48 yamato77 wrote: What do you think about Marv? I think we've obviously arrived at the conclusion that GK and Dandel are mafia, so let's talk about something else. A few hours later... On May 23 2013 17:45 yamato77 wrote: I'm glad your thoughts and mine are aligning on this one. Suddenly not so sure of GK's alignment, lol. Seems he began to be swayed by GK's ragepost so this might be an exception? Rayn: On May 20 2013 21:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah at that time i thought that theory was stupid. Now, given his posts after that and what DP has pointed out, i'm not so sure about it. On a sidenote, i think GK is more likely to be scum than Dandel and i do not think they are both scum. Maybe i am wrong about WoS or Jarjar, i need to see what they will do on D2. His last mention of GK is in here, but it's not particularly conclusive imo. Rayn's reads were all over the place and of the two kills that night, was almost certainly SK kill. Sputnik: Not bothering. Spicy: On May 23 2013 21:25 Spicydinosaur wrote: I said I was getting a scum read on him but that he's playing to scummy so he'll probably flip town. Which is what happened. My wording or phrasing may suck but my ultimate read on him was right. GK's paragraph on me was just rehashing old issues that have already been talked about with the exception of the 3p sk issue which everyone is pure speculating on at this point. I'm still uncomfortable with GK not giving his opinion out because he claimed I was angry. At this point I could lynch Dandel over GK next day. At least GK is responding to posts and constructing arguments. Voted GK that day and wanted both Dandel and GK dead. This could be where the idea to sacrifice Dandel came from or something (if GK scum)? Was this mafia or SK kill? Confusing motivation if GK is SK. BH: On May 23 2013 04:23 Blazinghand wrote: So, I'm not going to be around for the flip. I'm going to start with my two big townreads. Marvellosity is town. I have NEVER been more sure of someone being town in my mafia career. Also, he's the only guy who's like never mislynched grush DarthPunk is town. I'm less sure of this, since he didn't do anything at all for all of D2 (not even really pressuring other people! But I think it's unlikely scum would get all on a townie for a perceived scumslip. Scumreads: [b]GK. We all know why. By met and activity and etc. WoS is scum. He started shitting up the thread as soon as people unvoted me, he's been pushing scum agenda, etc etc. DI is scum. scroll up to see. yeah it's a list post, it wont' earn my any cred. GK > WoS > DI in terms of priority Felt pretty strongly about both me and GK. Was pushing GK all that night and I had to try to force him to talk about me, for what it's worth. Believed VERY strongly in his meta case against GK, though I'm wondering if GK's ragepost would have swayed him any. I can't determine anything entirely conclusive about this other than the fact that people seem to want GK gone and he's not. Difficult to determine motivation for the kills as well as I'm not sure if it's scum-type-coverup motivation or scum trying to frame GK to make him look worse---which makes sense either if GK was town or if they knew he was SK. I would love for people to comment on this but for whatever reason no on ever seems to. | ||
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On May 27 2013 23:53 goodkarma wrote: @Wave: I already explained how I've come to my current reads, in my filter... It included everyone on that list plus Stutters. In fact, it was in a post addressed directly to you.: + Show Spoiler + On May 26 2013 04:18 goodkarma wrote: @Wave: Solstice doesn't look that great as far as sheeping Yamato's reads then just sitting on them. I may be giving him too little credit, as part of my assessment of him was that if he were scum, having never played it before he'd reveal it more obviously than here. I mean he does interject his own thoughts on issues, especially related to me as I recall. But that he can just say "what Yamato said," and then not come in and update his reads at all for an entire cycle is pretty unsettling. I said slight town in my own list post, but maybe null is better. I've always been a bit of a sucker for pro-town players, but pro-town playstyle doesn't mean he isn't scum. And as for Marv, I'll trust DP that he is town. Between what he and Marv have had to say about his recent lack of posting/concern, I would say it's reasonable that he is town. Which means that it's between Stutters/VA/JJD/Solstice for the scumteam. As for the Grush thing, I thought through how terrible his life would be if he removed his only towntell from his game to win this game as scum. I mean he could do this, but I don't think he would. So yeah, it's not a 100% thing, but I'm keeping him in the town column. I know, but I wanted something updated on solstice since it's been almost 48h since you posted that and *stuff* has happened. You realize how awful that RB claim is, right? | ||
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On May 28 2013 12:53 VayneAuthority wrote: why exactly do I care what you and your scumbuddy think? I don't need to explain shit when its clear as daylight what you guys are trying to do, lynch a lurker to end this just like you started it with sputnik. You've been floating under the radar for the entire game not really giving much of anything in opinions but now you are soft defending GK and having your most cleared (WoS) start your bandwagon and when its safe enough both of you are gonna hop on. Don't even try to fuck with me. Methinks I see a contradiction here, Vayne. Am I town or scum? Also come on, dude, use your brain. Do you truly and honestly think the entire scumteam are going to be the very first onto a mislynch wagon? This isn't NMM 39. To be fair, I don't see a hell of a lot of reasoning for sheeping me coming from either solstice or GK so there could definitely be something up. (GK's vote is obvious either way; it's likely either him or JJD today.) Anyway I'm pretty damn confident in your towniness, so join the wagon of justice, breh. DP what-cha been up to lately? | ||
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On May 28 2013 12:44 JarJarDrinks wrote: I find it strange that you'd say this and then vote for me since I've been saying that I think GK is town all game. Like, this is cleary Soltice just putting his vote on the townie that is most likely to be mislynched. I'm gonna reread a bunch tomorrow but I don't really recall him saying I've been scummy @ all this game. Like, can anyone actually read soltices filter and figure out the reason he's voting for me? Like, look at this shit. When did he EVER mention Solstice before this point? | ||
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WARNING: PRE-FLIP ASSOCIATION Very easy upon his red flip to give Solstice easy towncred with the reverse suspicion. Completely distanced himself from Solstice all game and solstice himself flip-flops constantly throughout the game as to whether or not JJD is town or scum. Hmmmm. | ||
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On May 28 2013 13:32 DarthPunk wrote: MY fucking Australian terrible internet died. I'm reading the thread now. Prob don;t want to lynch JJD anymore though. Short form since I'm around atm---who then? | ||
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On May 28 2013 13:45 VayneAuthority wrote: I don't see any contradiction I am telling it how it is. you guys are the 3 scum left. WIFOM won't phase me What? You call us all scum and then you talk about me being Solstice's 'most cleared,' insinuating that either he is town and believes me to be the 'most cleared' town on his list, or that he is scum and I am the most cleared town on his list. How is that not contradictory? And how are we lynching a lurker (you compare him to sputnik) when JJD is actually posting?? AND how the fuck is it WIFOM? Like you keep talking about all your hidden skills and you don't see how the entire scumteam immediately jumping on what you perceive to be a town wagon is a bad idea for scum? Seriously? I'll give you a hint: if what you say is true, what would happen to said scumteam if JJD were to flip town? | ||
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