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On May 25 2013 11:13 Stutters695 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2013 07:34 marvellosity wrote:
This isn't a meta or an activity argument, so please don't try to make it one. I don't care about the meta part, I just think it's funny you're trying to suggest I'm possibly scum off of one post, you're better than that. We'll talk more about it if we make it through the night but your play is really worrying me. You're playing like MtG without actually ever kicking it into gear when it is evident town needs you (obviously not right now, I'm talking d2 especially).
It's interesting you say that; is it marv's thing to have to carry the town? It's pretty evident town needs somebody to take the lead atm but I certainly don't trust my reads enough to do it (especially since scum always leave me alive towards LYLO and I lose the game then). If marv doesn't kick it into gear as you say, do you suspect him of being scum?
I do know that a lot of my conversations with him haven't exactly been fruitful but I have no way of knowing if that's by design or the fact that we just don't have answers right now.
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On May 25 2013 14:03 VayneAuthority wrote:
probably because we are about to get endgamed lawl
.....I was actually thinking about this and was hoping nobody would bring it up.
If everybody just sits back and lets Dandel go down without much of a fight its entirely possible that it is 5-4-1 right now and scum wins with this lynch. If this point were let go closer to deadline it's possible scum might try to steer the lynch in another direction (a little more GK discussion happening recently) which might reveal that scum doesn't win immediately with a DI lynch (and maybe give us some info as to who wasn't ready for DI to die yet...)
All in all I suppose it's not really possible to know, especially now, but as far as I'm concerned I'm willing to gamble on taking DI down today because there is no way in hell he can be trusted to play the game you would think he's supposed to as SK.
I do still wish there was other discussion taking place today because 48 hours worth of writeoff isn't good imo; we DO still need to know what's happening after DI lynch assuming we survive.
And LOL while I'm posting this JJD unleashes a whopper.
Oh boy.
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On May 25 2013 14:10 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2013 14:09 JarJarDrinks wrote:On May 25 2013 13:39 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 25 2013 11:13 Stutters695 wrote:On May 25 2013 07:34 marvellosity wrote:
This isn't a meta or an activity argument, so please don't try to make it one. I don't care about the meta part, I just think it's funny you're trying to suggest I'm possibly scum off of one post, you're better than that. We'll talk more about it if we make it through the night but your play is really worrying me. You're playing like MtG without actually ever kicking it into gear when it is evident town needs you (obviously not right now, I'm talking d2 especially). It's interesting you say that; is it marv's thing to have to carry the town? It's pretty evident town needs somebody to take the lead atm but I certainly don't trust my reads enough to do it (especially since scum always leave me alive towards LYLO and I lose the game then). If marv doesn't kick it into gear as you say, do you suspect him of being scum? I do know that a lot of my conversations with him haven't exactly been fruitful but I have no way of knowing if that's by design or the fact that we just don't have answers right now. I think that if there's 4 scum then Marv is most likely one of em. But it doesn't really matter because we lose. My top scum read is darthpunk and then I guess grush. Somehow I am your top scum read and yet we have voted the same way for the past two cycles. LOL you need to actually push me without just repeating DP is scum ad nauseum if you believe I am scum.
DP how would you feel about lynching this guy after DI?
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On May 25 2013 14:10 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2013 14:09 JarJarDrinks wrote:On May 25 2013 13:39 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 25 2013 11:13 Stutters695 wrote:On May 25 2013 07:34 marvellosity wrote:
This isn't a meta or an activity argument, so please don't try to make it one. I don't care about the meta part, I just think it's funny you're trying to suggest I'm possibly scum off of one post, you're better than that. We'll talk more about it if we make it through the night but your play is really worrying me. You're playing like MtG without actually ever kicking it into gear when it is evident town needs you (obviously not right now, I'm talking d2 especially). It's interesting you say that; is it marv's thing to have to carry the town? It's pretty evident town needs somebody to take the lead atm but I certainly don't trust my reads enough to do it (especially since scum always leave me alive towards LYLO and I lose the game then). If marv doesn't kick it into gear as you say, do you suspect him of being scum? I do know that a lot of my conversations with him haven't exactly been fruitful but I have no way of knowing if that's by design or the fact that we just don't have answers right now. I think that if there's 4 scum then Marv is most likely one of em. But it doesn't really matter because we lose. My top scum read is darthpunk and then I guess grush. Somehow I am your top scum read and yet we have voted the same way for the past two cycles. LOL you need to actually push me without just repeating DP is scum ad nauseum if you believe I am scum.
Although if that's your comeback for him I don't really know what voting analysis says right now since most of the players in this game have been on the same wagon all game. It may be more interesting to view the outliers.
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On May 25 2013 15:06 VayneAuthority wrote:
You know GK if you made more posts like this instead of martyring yourself I wouldnt want to have you lynched, just so were clear on that.
As well as your concern for me its nothing that I can really disprove, thats always been my playstyle if you want to look into me. I put down the vote I think has the best chance of winning the game regardless of what others think. If you think I have any sway on this game when everyone takes me as a joke you're out of your mind...
as I've said my scumteam is you/s0lstice/WoS/dandel, but now that dandel is SK im reconsidering if its just you 3 or if theres a 4th which I guess doesnt matter if we lose right now.
It does matter. Who would you say is 4th scum? I'm interested to hear.
Hell while you're at it, what makes me scummy? And solstice?
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On May 25 2013 15:10 VayneAuthority wrote:
also your reads seem to carefully look over inconsistencies such as pointing out s0lstice and stutters never playing scum but not giving me the same courtesy. Seems almost like OMGUS/bias.
I don't know anything about solstice but as far as I know stutters has gone a shit ton of games without playing scum, as have I.
You've only BEEN in like 2-3 games on TL, so that's not exactly enough to be able to say much of anything. Plus you've acknowledged the fact that you've played extensively on other sites.
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On May 25 2013 19:04 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2013 18:16 DarthPunk wrote:On May 25 2013 14:54 goodkarma wrote:
Then of the pool of remaining people I find it a little hard to fathom Solstice playing this well as scum having never played it before. He's stayed uncontroversial / unnoticed for the most part for sure, but he's still been semi-helpful / pro-town for most of the game, as well as fairly active. I'm leaning on him being town, but I could definitely be wrong.
This is actually really insightful from GK and reading through his filter a very accurate conclusion, where i disagree is his conclusion. That is exactly the kind of things I look out for when I look for scum. I actually think we should lynch s0lstice. What do you think marv? I actually think s0lstice is town, partly from his general play, partly from the really dumb fight he got into with me. As a general note about myself, I'm not apathetic, this is the lynch we need to make today and there's a reasonably decent chance we won't even be here tomorrow to find de mafioso. If we are around tomorrow to do so, then we can look in earnest. I only reference the players who thought I was blates town because it should be pretty obvious I'm town, and it's obvious enough that other players agreed with me. GK's characterisation of my play is terribly weak. Thing is, GK, I can easily make some 1000 word post talking about every player in the game and coming to any conclusion I like. That's really really easy. You continually make these large list posts calling townies mafia. You don't actually push anything for shit, GK.
Marv what the fuck?
Why not start today if there's people who won't be around tomorrow? I really don't understand your shutting down of discussion constantly; it's really starting to bother me. I agree with your point about GK, but what have you done lately aside from pop in now and then without really contributing?
I have had no doubts you were town the entire game but your play recently now has me second-guessing myself. Is this the best explanation you have for your mindset right now?
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Like...I'm bothered by the fact that people like Stutters seem to be picking up their game (even if not really expected to do so) when others are dropping the ball (me included). I'm getting seriously bad vibes lately.
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I can't even explain it. It's one of those 'too easy' vibes. Every lynch thus far has just been a pile on with almost no effort required whatsoever.
Somebody talk to me.
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On May 26 2013 01:36 Stutters695 wrote:
Well rainbow river got scrapped so we're drinking out by the pool instead. I'll be semi inactive but checking in until later. What did you want to talk about?
Fucking anything.
And I agree DP but why have we had so many days of discussion being halted just because we 'know who we're lynching already?'
I'm going to have a close look at Marv atm because there's something aside from the 'bad feelings' I'm getting that I want to look at.
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WARNING: LIST POST
So from what I can tell everyone in town has (or SHOULD have) SOME sort of read as to who they think is scummy, right? (Not including DI atm)
Correct me if I'm wrong about any of these, I did a quick skim of the past little while to come up with this.
Me: JJD, GK (less so right now)
DP: Solstice, JJD
Stutters: GK
Solstice:
On May 23 2013 10:59 s0Lstice wrote:
...and my current list is pretty much exactly like yamatos.
I have yet to go through the filters anew though after the BH flip. It may change, but at the moment I'm working and posting.
Can't find scumreads, only numbers speculation.
GK: Stutters/Vayne/Marv
Vayne: GK/Solstice/WoS
Marv: On May 25 2013 05:45 marvellosity wrote:
Stutters might actually be mafia, he's blatantly not reading the thread.
This is the best he could come up with apparently... I suppose it counts.
When asked directly earlier on?
On May 25 2013 01:44 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2013 01:43 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 25 2013 01:40 marvellosity wrote:On May 25 2013 01:39 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 25 2013 01:33 marvellosity wrote:
Wave, "him" in that scenario was GK, not Dandel. Oh ok. Syntactic ambiguity. On May 25 2013 01:35 marvellosity wrote:On May 25 2013 01:32 marvellosity wrote:On May 25 2013 01:31 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 25 2013 01:25 marvellosity wrote:On May 25 2013 01:18 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 25 2013 01:14 marvellosity wrote:
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This is true, the problem is killing Dandel is still the right play even if we pinned him as 100% mafia right now.
I've got 45 minutes till I'm off work so happy to talk about anything GK-related in the meantime. I'm open for questions This is a familiar situation between us, marv. It bothers me a little that we've had these discussions multiple times yet pretty much nothing has come of it every time we do it, but whatever. I don't think anyone commented on GK's rant post. Did you have any thoughts? The biggest thing that we know NOW at the time we didn't at the time of GK's rant post, is that Spicy, his main (I think?) suspicion is dead. Do you remember earlier in the game, when he said the main difference between town GK and mafia GK is that mafia GK has shit reads? well........... See this is more meta shit though and I am having a lot of trouble taking it all at face value as it seems almost everything directed at him is solely based on meta (aside from his decidedly odd play during this game). Is it likely that's he'd out himself like this if he knew how Spicy was going to flip? ALso marv do you have anything to say about the CONTENT of his rant post? Also what did you mean by 'even if Dandel is 100% mafia?' This isn't "meta shit". This is GK's *own* description of his play. In *this* game. sorry, i should add that 'outing himself like this' devolves quite a lot into wifom. But I want to look at this just a little. Is that a likely thing for mafia to say knowing the direction he was heading? if GK is mafia he's the most suspicious mafia out of all the mafia who exist. So yes, why not. This argument is a bad one because they can just kill Spicy and have someone use this argument in his favour. Alright I see that. You say that GK is the most suspicious out of those who exist (if mafia). Do you have any other reads atm or anyone you'd like to discuss? Not in my 15 minutes before I leave work. Especially as it's kinda futile for the minute anyway.
I guess his reads are probably GK/Stutters but I don't know for sure because he refuses to really come right out and say it. Also a shit ton of numbers speculation to the exclusion of doing other things.
JJD:
On May 25 2013 14:09 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2013 13:39 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 25 2013 11:13 Stutters695 wrote:On May 25 2013 07:34 marvellosity wrote:
This isn't a meta or an activity argument, so please don't try to make it one. I don't care about the meta part, I just think it's funny you're trying to suggest I'm possibly scum off of one post, you're better than that. We'll talk more about it if we make it through the night but your play is really worrying me. You're playing like MtG without actually ever kicking it into gear when it is evident town needs you (obviously not right now, I'm talking d2 especially). It's interesting you say that; is it marv's thing to have to carry the town? It's pretty evident town needs somebody to take the lead atm but I certainly don't trust my reads enough to do it (especially since scum always leave me alive towards LYLO and I lose the game then). If marv doesn't kick it into gear as you say, do you suspect him of being scum? I do know that a lot of my conversations with him haven't exactly been fruitful but I have no way of knowing if that's by design or the fact that we just don't have answers right now. I think that if there's 4 scum then Marv is most likely one of em. But it doesn't really matter because we lose. My top scum read is darthpunk and then I guess grush.
Fucking terrible but at least they're reads.
Grush: I dunno...gonna get modkilled?
I actually found a slightly different conclusion than the one I thought I was going to find...I didn't think marv posted any scum reads at all, so I guess if I count the one on stutters and GK he's probably in the clear on this, but it makes solstice look like absolute shit.
Thoughts??
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On May 26 2013 03:07 goodkarma wrote:Show nested quote +On May 26 2013 00:13 Stutters695 wrote:
Oh and GK, every game (unless you're reading my newbies) I'm apologetic for having to afk. If anything you could say that I've actually followed through on promises to deliver later where in past games I haven't as a deviation from my town meta(not that I'd consider that bad at all).
I'm not sure what you're saying about hard lines on stances, you'd have to elaborate, and read the "get him boys" in context, Marv said spicy was antagonizing BH so I thought I'd jump in when nothing else was going on for laughs. Perhaps I should rephrase this: Did you actually conjure up so many excuses? You had some in prior games for sure, but they're rather prevalent this game. I mean I've seen a rather large number of remarks like this one this game, and it stood out to me as a curious tendancy. It does look like there's some of this in prior games, but they're like everywhere in this one.: Show nested quote +On May 26 2013 01:36 Stutters695 wrote:
Well rainbow river got scrapped so we're drinking out by the pool instead. I'll be semi inactive but checking in until later. What did you want to talk about? I really don't care if you're off drinking somewhere. What's relevant is that when you're here you are actively scumhunting, and all I've really seen is you have an interest in lynching me... Would you mind laying out what you envision to be the scumteam? I mean clearly it's more than one guy. There's at least three scum, yet I seem to be the only guy you're concerned about... And somehow I'm "sure scum," in which case one would think you'd be devoting your scumhunting energies finding the remaining scum.
GK I'd like you to comment on my listpost, if you would.
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aaaaand ignored for a change.
k.
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On May 26 2013 04:18 goodkarma wrote:
@Wave:
Solstice doesn't look that great as far as sheeping Yamato's reads then just sitting on them. I may be giving him too little credit, as part of my assessment of him was that if he were scum, having never played it before he'd reveal it more obviously than here. I mean he does interject his own thoughts on issues, especially related to me as I recall. But that he can just say "what Yamato said," and then not come in and update his reads at all for an entire cycle is pretty unsettling.
I said slight town in my own list post, but maybe null is better. I've always been a bit of a sucker for pro-town players, but pro-town playstyle doesn't mean he isn't scum.
And as for Marv, I'll trust DP that he is town. Between what he and Marv have had to say about his recent lack of posting/concern, I would say it's reasonable that he is town. Which means that it's between Stutters/VA/JJD/Solstice for the scumteam.
It's not just the fact that he's simply sheeping and sitting on them.
He hasn't done what he said he was going to set out to do and he's had like 48h to do it.
Imo it is unacceptable to sit back and not provide anything that anyone can use to read you for an entire day; he simply goes on and on about analyzing the state of scum v town v SK over and over.
That is not scumhunting and honestly most of the town is guilty of this today and don't seem to care. The difference between him and others is at least other people have attempted to make SOME sort of a read since the last NKs.
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I'm out for a little, should be back in time to see Dandel flip. No last minute shenannies.
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Jesus christ WTF?
HOW IS NOBDOY TALKING ABOUT THIS
I've got a lot to say but it's gonna be a few hours before I can say it. I will be back around 9-10 EST
Please somebody be around for me to talk to
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On May 26 2013 11:14 s0Lstice wrote:
WoS you around?
I think I had it earlier when I said that scum sacrificed one of their own to put us at 3-3-1 going in to tomorrow. It's 4-3-1 with a JK save, but either way we are pretty much fucked. 4-3-1 is basically unwinnable too.
SO much weird shit in this game. Not exactly a good welcome back game for me lol.
Yeah I'm back.
I'm glad you actually posted something other than your numbers shit. How exactly do you have DP and marv as scum?
Your reasoning is not reasoning as to why they're scum at all.
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As for the lynch....I literally have no fucking clue. Hey Vayne I guess I'm scum 'cause I'm confused, right?
The only thing I can think of is that since Dandel flipped goon he was either saccing himself to protect a more powerful scum role or he actually was setting up something for SK kills?
Do either of those make sense? Like....was anyone else even under the gun for him to sacrifice himself like that? His play made no sense from a solo perspective so he must have been doing something to benefit his team in some way.
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DP do you honestly still think marv is 100% town?
You I am sure of. Him I am not.
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On May 26 2013 11:46 DarthPunk wrote:he is town because he has taken pro town positions all game. His mindset seems to gel with mine and he clearly gives zero fucks about what people think. You should explain how we are scum.
This is true to a certain degree but how has he exhibited this behaviour recently?
On May 26 2013 11:44 s0Lstice wrote:
WoS did you read what I wrote? 431 is better for scum than a potential 5-4. Dandel claims sk thus forcing us to lynch scum when we should have lynched sk.
Solstice, I'm not sure how that scenario is better for scum, tbh. It seems it's best for the SK.
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