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ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
April 30 2013 13:59 GMT
#36
O_O

Fuck everything else going on in my life. I'm going to make time for this.

\in
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
April 30 2013 14:02 GMT
#37
Also, plz don't kill me N1 for being lazy/incompetent/afk. Life really is stupidly busy right now T_T. GLHF
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
May 06 2013 03:07 GMT
#51
T_T
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
May 11 2013 21:10 GMT
#61
:O
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
May 13 2013 23:44 GMT
#77
Didn't see a role PM.

Totally panicked.

It's all good.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
May 15 2013 02:09 GMT
#126
Everyone, glhf.

Two quick thoughts. First of all, this is a Greymist game. Don't rely on mechanics or power roles or anything else. At the end of the day, the only way to make sure that the town wins the game is to really rely on scum hunting. Focus on finding scum, don't get too caught up in the mechanics.

Secondly, I think I agree with Phagga, that we need some sort of plan to start working together to identify all of the pieces on the board. His plan of claiming before the lynch is pretty solid and comes at no loss to us. Sure, the mafia are going to mess with our plans, but there's only so much that they can do. I would like to start working together on that so that we fix the information imbalance; *hushed voice* they already know where we are.

Lastly (totally lied about the two quick thoughts), I'm lynching Marv Day 3 if he's not dead at that point. @marv <3

And numbah four (I worship chaos), I have a MS of 4.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
May 15 2013 02:19 GMT
#131
On May 15 2013 11:15 Oatsmaster wrote:
Can someone explain to me how finding the angels will help us win the game?


We're assuming that the angels have to be physically close to the other players in order to use their night actions. Someone speculated earlier that town PRs would have similar mechanics. Not dying at night >> dying at night.

But, you're right. Focus on finding scum. You have any thoughts on the other players so far?
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
May 15 2013 23:07 GMT
#293
I was inclined to lynch oats based on his general demeanor and unhelpfulness, but I'm inclined to listen to Blazinghand's interpretation of his play.

Also, lmao @ marv for voting me for the same reason he voted me last time we played. I flipped town.

I'm going to read the thread again and see if anything sticks out.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
May 15 2013 23:54 GMT
#294
*crickets in the thread*

And people wonder why I don't post.

A brief retort at Marv and Dec: Only an idiot would completely ignore the mechanics of a game. I chimed in my two cents, and then I was off to scum hunt. Unfortunately, it seems that no one is around whenever I'm here. Your reasons for voting me are terrible. Not a good sign, haven't decided what to make of that.

I'm not impressed by Dec's play, but I might just be mad at him for voting me. I really don't like Oats play this game: plans are good, plans are bad, I'm on board, I feel like he's all over the place. I can't be arsed to look into his meta, otherwise I would lynch him for begin all over the place and generally unhelpful. BH's vouching for his meta is stopping me from voting him at the moment. I trust his read, haven't thought too much about his alignment.

I'm not happy with Vivax's play, but I'm never happy with Vivax's play. I really don't like this post:
+ Show Spoiler +
On May 16 2013 05:17 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2013 03:40 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On May 15 2013 22:42 deconduo wrote:
Can an Angel's movespeed be reduced to 0 if enough people are looking at it?

If this is the case, it makes a good argument for gathering in the middle with everyone looking outwards. If they can't reach us they can't kill us.


But wouldn't mkfuba have to actively respond to the PM to participate in the game? I wouldn't say lynch him outright, but I'm a little suspicious. Let's see how the day goes though.

My only red leaning read at this point is Vivax, whose filter after game start seems to be weak counterarguments to a fairly solid plan. His last post (the big one) also references the fact that with everyone moving at max speed, it would be easier to discern who is who. After explicitly saying that by learning this, Angels can figure out who is dangerous and vulnerable. I feel as if he is looking for this information for this reason.

##Vote: Vivax


This is a scumslip, the host explicitly said that it's possible that the angels know our movement speeds already. You showing this level of security as to immediately call me scum in spite of that fact, is proof that you are either not reading the thread with your due diligence, or scum with the information that angels don't know our movement speed, given your overall play I'm strongly leaning on the latter.

I'm expecting your explanation for this, and I want reads from you on every player who posted something substantial in the thread.


It seems passionate and poorly thought out. He's not trying to figure out Sentinel's alignment, or really thinking about what's going on; he's trying to push him onto the defensive and start an easy lynch. It kind of looks like he immediately dropped it, but it is kind of hard to tell at this point in the game.

Until someone convinces me that leaving Vivax in game is a good idea,

##vote vivax
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
May 16 2013 00:17 GMT
#297
On May 16 2013 09:07 marvellosity wrote:
I'm not really happy with this post at all, but I don't know if it's because you're scum or because you're not at a level I'd hope from you. I'd say expect, but ya know, red-check lylo thing ;p


I think I'm going to burn this account and start a new one as ghost_404 just so everyone will stop bringing that up.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
May 16 2013 00:23 GMT
#298
Sentinel's play has been bad this game as well, but IIRC, I always think that. I think had problems reading him in previous games, and I think that's why I ignored him here. Based on their interactions, I doubt that they're both scum. Which one of them do you think is more likely to flip scum? And what are your thoughts on Vivax? He's almost entirely missing from your filter.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
May 16 2013 21:20 GMT
#557
I submitted turn backwards, move three right. Assuming my move went through, that means I'm F.

*checks his vote* SWEET.

{gg marv and vivax}

Be getting on in a bit.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
May 16 2013 21:24 GMT
#563
On May 17 2013 06:20 ghost_403 wrote:
I submitted turn backwards, move three right. Assuming my move went through, that means I'm F.

*checks his vote* SWEET.

{gg marv and vivax}

Be getting on in a bit.


Or H or I.

I should learn to read the game board.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
May 17 2013 01:28 GMT
#588
Gosh, there's just so much that happened right before the lynch. Time to scumhunt.

I feel like a kid in the candy store. With so much chaos at the deadline, I'm bound to find something good ^^
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
May 17 2013 02:04 GMT
#591
On May 17 2013 11:01 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2013 10:38 Zephirdd wrote:
On May 17 2013 10:01 Oatsmaster wrote:
I moved 3 steps up and looked up.

That makes me B right?


How did you send your PM to the hosts? This is important. Anyone reading this, do not answer.

Oatsmaster, how did you send your PM? How did you want to move?

I sent my PM,
'move 3 steps up and look up.'
I wanted to move here.


I wanted to move here.

That's a curious thing to say.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
May 17 2013 02:17 GMT
#596
Just doing a straight-up votecount analysis, I have a few notes I'd like to make.

First of all, BH is town. Period. Unless he's pulling some crazy Risen-esque moves here, he's town. There no reason to risk himself like that as scum. If he's still here in three days, lynch him, but he's probably going to be dead before then.

Zephridd also recieves townie points for his actions in the lynching. Ultimately, he was the one responsible for hammering the dearly-departed Vivax, and it fits well with his actions all game.

Sharrant receives anti-brownie points for his voting this game. It appears to me that he's playing the part of "scum in the outfield", which is always characterized by not voting for his compatriot day 1. Check it out, that's a thing. Also, it meshes well with the vibes I was getting from him earlier in the day, more on that in a bit.

I'm not going to weigh in on Sent and Fyre at this point. Both of them could have been shifting their votes at the last minute to generate some goodwill with the town after they realized that their scumbuddy was getting lynched. Can't read too much either way from their actions.

---

I simply don't like Sharrants play this game. Like people have said before, his big posts are empty and devoid of content. This one, in particular, just kind of rubs me the wrong way.
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2013 00:14 Sharrant wrote:
Hey, guys.

Glad to see people moved off of lynching Oatsmaster. I can't say I have him as a distinct town read, but the last game I played with him be played virtually identical to this as town, and was lynched day one. That said, if he continues this into day two, I'll want to lynch him.

Vivax:
Honestly, the thing that sticks out to me the most about Vivax is his willingness to lynch Oats despite the first hand knowledge he has of Oats doing this as town last game. On the one hand, I could see a townie frustrated with how the game went last time because of Oats, and wanting to punish that behaviour in town while still giving himself a 1/4 chance to hit scum. Or I could see mafia going for what he thinks is an easy mislynch, like last game.

The second most important thing in his filter, is the mention of B and J. When under the assumption he later mentioned, that players moved via cardinal direction, this was something I had thought of as well. I had tried my hand at creating a movement pattern that would put as many people in the optimal position as possible. I could never figure one out because of the spread of the board.

My problem with a Vivax lynch right now is that I don't think he's lying about believing the game operated with cardinal directions. If he earnestly believed that, I don't think his post is scummy at all. I think it might be a bit counter productive, but not scummy. Now if he's lying, then absolutely he's scum and he got caught trying to fish for player movements.

So I ask everyone, do you think he's lying about his knowledge of the movement scheme. If you do, what is it that makes you think he's lying? Convince me that he is, and I'll happily vote him.

Vivax, what do you think about keeping Oats alive for today, and lynching him if his play does not improve over the next cycle?

Ghost:
Ghost, last time we played we were on the same wavelength instantly. That immediately gave me a huge town read on you, this game we're pretty far apart. In the last two games I played, Vivax was a very strong force for town. He established his townieness right away, but didn't just rely on that for credit, he kept playing a consistent game. Half your reasoning for killing Vivax seems to be "This post was kind of scummy", and the other half seems to be "Vivax's town game isn't good enough to belong in this town". Please go and skim his filter in Boardwalk PYP (I think that's the right game).

Does that make you feel better or worse about his bandwagon in this game? Does it change your read on him at all?

Sentinel:
Sentinel is where my vote would feel safest. His filter just seems off, but not in the "paranoia/jumping at shadows" way that a town player can feel off. He spent so much time defending himself about his weird read early on, but people were asking him questions about it, so he gets a little bit of a pass on that part. The biggest thing that reads as scum in his filter to me, is his dropping of Vivax as a suspect just when everyone else was warming up to his lynch.

Sentinel, what do you make of Vivax's actions post-removing your vote from him? Do they reinforce your idea to remove your vote from him, or are they making you reconsider voting for him?


He spends more time defending Vivax then he does trying to work out who's the best lynch. Why, as town, would anyone spend so much time defending another person on Day 1? From a townie point of view, this particular action simply doesn't make sense. (Of course, now we know Vivax's alignment.) Then, in the part of the post where he tries to work out what to do next, he has no insightful observations. A wordy comment on my meta, and a note that Sent is kind of flismy. It's just not a good post.

His later posts follow similar trends. This one irks me.
+ Show Spoiler +
On May 17 2013 00:44 Sharrant wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2013 00:28 marvellosity wrote:
ferry, I think they didn't not make sense, if you get my drift.

Sharrant, explain to me like I'm stupid. Why does thinking we use cardinal directions mean something towards working out where B and J go? I'm definitely missing something here.

Could you also explain to me why you'd want to lynch an Oats playing like town-Oats on Day 2 but you wouldn't want to lynch an Oats playing like town-Oats on Day 1?


I can't explain Vivax's thought patterns, but I can explain mine.

I fucking love puzzles, and thinking problems. The reason I signed up for this game is because it's a mafia game based on a puzzle essentially, so the first thing I did was look at the game to see if it could be solved as a puzzle or which solution would give us the greatest chance of winning.

You cannot work out moves for a subset of players (B and J) but what you can do, is work out an optimal list of ordered moves for players. The idea was to create a list that primarily moves players to the left of the board. Moving players to the left is going to give us more visual overlap. The ideal scenario would be all 12 players in a corner, against the wall, players on outer edges facing parallel to the wall, everyone else a step or two out from the wall randomly alternating the direction they're looking between perpendicular to the wall nearest them, and out from the group parallel to the wall nearest them. This makes it hardest for the angels to identify a pattern in which they can enter or get close to our group without being spotted. It also potentially outs puppets for making Angel favoured moves, or making improper reports.

Using Cardinal movements it was possible to begin moving players to the lower left hand corner, while giving a move pattern which would identify at least 50% of players, up to a possible 100%. The difference in potential identification is due to people running into walls/other players causing their actual movement to be inconsistent with their stated movement. There were certainly problems with my plan, but it seemed to be the optimal plan when cardinal movements were allowed.

Does that adequately explain it? I'm not sure if I'm capable of conveying it very well.

Can Angels feed AND use their conventional KP on the same night? If a player is fed upon are they killed that same night?


Yeah, that's nice and all, but we don't care. There's no reason to be talking about mechanics in the way he does in this post. It's simply there to waste space and make it look like he's contributing.

Then comes that one time when he thoughtlessly sheeps Marv on his vote, then proceeds to do nothing about it. Townies have a natural inclination to work together to figure out everyone else's alignments. Why doesn't he really care? His vote is half-hearted, and has no followthrough at all. It's just a bad vote.

All of that in and of itself is a good enough reason for me to vote Sharrant. Combine that with how he's voting stereotypically Day 1 scum when a scum gets lynched (lynchee is desperate, one is onboard, the other is in left field), and we got ourselves a winner.

ghost_403's pick for the Day 2 lynch is...

##vote sharrant
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
May 17 2013 02:18 GMT
#598
Or Oats. I think he scumslipped hard in that post I referenced. I'll put my vote on him for safe keeping.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
May 17 2013 02:19 GMT
#599
##unvote
##vote oatsmaster
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
May 18 2013 00:11 GMT
#648
On May 18 2013 07:12 Zephirdd wrote:
oh and btw, anyone still voting for oats is a fucking moron.

Look at his play day 1 and tell me he is a scum and not a town that could know his handle due to who-knows-what-power. Or even that he is not a town and the hosts may have fucked up.


I have no idea where this train of thought came from. What does his movement say about his alignment?

My problem is, what I believe to be, his scumslip. His post clearly states that he meant to make the move that he made. You can believe that he is a townie, and force that upon your interpretation of his words. In that case, he simply stated that the moves performed on his piece were the ones he meant to make.

But that's not what he said. The more straightforward way of interpreting his words is simply this: he knew which piece he was and meant to move from where he was to where he is. As far as I can tell, the only way he could have known that was if he rolled scum. His later actions is consistent with someone who outed themselves as scum. Either you shit up the thread, or you stop talking.

I don't know his alignment. What I do know is this: the most straightforward way of interpreting "I wanted to move here." implies that he rolled scum.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
May 18 2013 00:11 GMT
#649
I'll post my response to Sent's earlier post in a couple of minutes.
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
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