Doctor Who Mafia - Page 3

On May 16 2013 21:53 Vivax wrote:
We mustn't forget to talk about our moves though. Finding a good lynch target is fine, but not having the angels feed on us is possibly a higher priority than that. This game is won on the board for them.

I'm currently looking at B and J and they are close to each other, they are basically already in a pair, any idea on how they should move ideally?

On May 16 2013 22:31 mkfuba07 wrote:

I could see scum pointing out any action that a townie could accidentally take that would make him appear scummy to others. Actually, it's pretty much their main source of "scumreads".

On May 16 2013 22:31 Vivax wrote:
It's pretty obvious actually, everyone should be moving either left or right on the board. For example A I and E are at the upper and lower borders, so you risk being one of them not moving at all or having their flashlight not pointed on the board if you pick up or down as movement or face direction.

On May 16 2013 22:48 Vivax wrote:
I missed crossfire's post about how movement works. I was still stuck into thinking you pick a cardinal direction and have to move into just one direction.

On May 17 2013 00:05 mkfuba07 wrote:
So Oats, you don't believe vivax's excuse? Is there a particular reason?

On May 17 2013 00:44 Sharrant wrote:


I can't explain Vivax's thought patterns, but I can explain mine.

I fucking love puzzles, and thinking problems. The reason I signed up for this game is because it's a mafia game based on a puzzle essentially, so the first thing I did was look at the game to see if it could be solved as a puzzle or which solution would give us the greatest chance of winning.

You cannot work out moves for a subset of players (B and J) but what you can do, is work out an optimal list of ordered moves for players. The idea was to create a list that primarily moves players to the left of the board. Moving players to the left is going to give us more visual overlap. The ideal scenario would be all 12 players in a corner, against the wall, players on outer edges facing parallel to the wall, everyone else a step or two out from the wall randomly alternating the direction they're looking between perpendicular to the wall nearest them, and out from the group parallel to the wall nearest them. This makes it hardest for the angels to identify a pattern in which they can enter or get close to our group without being spotted. It also potentially outs puppets for making Angel favoured moves, or making improper reports.

Using Cardinal movements it was possible to begin moving players to the lower left hand corner, while giving a move pattern which would identify at least 50% of players, up to a possible 100%. The difference in potential identification is due to people running into walls/other players causing their actual movement to be inconsistent with their stated movement. There were certainly problems with my plan, but it seemed to be the optimal plan when cardinal movements were allowed.

Does that adequately explain it? I'm not sure if I'm capable of conveying it very well.

Can Angels feed AND use their conventional KP on the same night? If a player is fed upon are they killed that same night?

On May 17 2013 01:09 Sharrant wrote:


Sentinel:
His early game unprovoked defense of fferyllt was strange in a way that I do not see coming from a townie. His following start up of the bandwagon on Vivax and then hopping off strikes me as mafia motivated 9 times out of 10 because he had weak reasoning coming off of it, but didn't attempt to dissuade anyone else or comment on their positions about Vivax. Ergo: he wants the lynch to happen, but doesn't want to be on the lynch when it happens.

I haven't voted him yet because I still have more time to put into looking through the thread, if I don't find someone I think is more likely to be mafia than him, then he'll get my vote soon enough.

On May 17 2013 01:21 Sharrant wrote:


His odd defense I think has been gone over fairly solidly by others like Marv. He comes in to defend Ferryllt for seemingly no reason, with very strange logic. "It's someone who is just really over eager to post as town" "It was just a mistake that they posted a fluff post" "They were just so over eager that they forget that they were supposed to say anything in their post". It just read to me as someone trying to pick up a town buddy, but making some critical judgement errors along the way.

2. His reason for voting Vivax in the first place was "you wanted people to move at full speed, moving at full speed means that mafia will know who the weak people are to kill off, you must be mafia" That was his only scum read at the time. Later he just says "Okay, we'll just agree to disagree." and unvotes him.

On May 17 2013 01:38 marvellosity wrote:
I actually have remarkably little time between now and the deadline, which is annoying. Curses early deadline!

There are two main reasons I could lynch deconduo, since I keep canvassing opinion about it.

First of all, there's the drop and run case on ghost. It's an easy case for mafia to make (yes yes, I know I agreed with some of it), and besides it there's very little interactions or comments on other players. I did a check on some of his previous games earlier, in PYP Boardwalk, decon was pretty quick to offer comments on several different players, unlike here.

Secondly there's this post:



I still feel this plan is pretty mafia-motivated. As I understand how the movement rules work, giving pre-determined directions to players has massive benefits for mafia, because they know how the movements correspond to each player, which could help them determine how the hidden angels that we don't know about would move, while giving out information ahead of townies ahead of time is meaningless because they can't know who they are.

On May 17 2013 01:43 marvellosity wrote:
That's not what I wrote, please stop misrepresenting things Oats, it's very annoying.

On May 17 2013 02:05 marvellosity wrote:


if you take out what I said about meta, the point stands for itself. So no, the lynchpin is not meta.

On May 17 2013 10:38 Zephirdd wrote:


How did you send your PM to the hosts? This is important. Anyone reading this, do not answer.

Oatsmaster, how did you send your PM? How did you want to move?

On May 17 2013 11:04 ghost_403 wrote:


I wanted to move here.

That's a curious thing to say.

On May 17 2013 11:12 Zephirdd wrote:
okay that does NOT make any sense.
here is why:


The way this works is that we had to chose our directions without knowing where we would go. If we could just say "look up" then there is no point in not allowing "look north". What B did was Look right and move three steps forward.

What I think happened is simple. You asked to go up, and the hosts allowed it no problem because you already had prior knowledge of your own handle.

In other words, you just slipped hard. So, unless for some reason you have a role that gives you knowledge of your handle on day 01, I say you are an angel. Simple as that.

Vivax tunnel-vision on you day 1? That's about as standard of a scum bus as possible, ESPECIALLY when a lot of people in the thread had already voiced that you were acting as an annoying/abrasive townie.

##Vote Oatsmaster

On May 17 2013 11:18 ghost_403 wrote:
Or Oats. I think he scumslipped hard in that post I referenced. I'll put my vote on him for safe keeping.