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On May 16 2013 04:00 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 00:25 shirokami wrote:On May 15 2013 18:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
OO, i'll do that tonight, posting from my phone and it's hard to quote posts this way.
shirokami, do you still think i'm scum? You need to give me reasons for that if you do. You have a couple of town tells in your posts so far, but your stance on me is weird. You seem to think i'm scum regardless of WoS' alignment but still don't want to push my lynch or give reasons why i am scum. What are you afraid of? Im waiting for more than words against words. shirokami you really haven't said anything about anything anyone else has said - could you do that please? Maybe comment on my oats case or do some analysis that is more than a couple of lines long?
He has played thread police and that's about as useful as he's been, from memory. I too would like to see more.
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On May 16 2013 04:11 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 04:04 ObviousOne wrote:On May 16 2013 04:00 strongandbig wrote:On May 16 2013 00:25 shirokami wrote:On May 15 2013 18:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
OO, i'll do that tonight, posting from my phone and it's hard to quote posts this way.
shirokami, do you still think i'm scum? You need to give me reasons for that if you do. You have a couple of town tells in your posts so far, but your stance on me is weird. You seem to think i'm scum regardless of WoS' alignment but still don't want to push my lynch or give reasons why i am scum. What are you afraid of? Im waiting for more than words against words. shirokami you really haven't said anything about anything anyone else has said - could you do that please? Maybe comment on my oats case or do some analysis that is more than a couple of lines long? He has played thread police and that's about as useful as he's been, from memory. I too would like to see more. hey oo lets work together for a minute! what do you think about chaoser? he's been kind of a non-entity most of this game but there's still some stuff there to read - do you think all his questions are genuinely pro-town or are just contributing for the sake of it? I think many of his questions don't actually have a clear path to helping uncover someone's alignment. I also think it's kind of odd how he first attacks prome's reasoning for calling you scum, then casually says he's cool with your wagon, but never actually votes you.
He strikes me as odd but my gut was saying he was laying low as town. He gets mentioned now and then in the game but really is under the radar. He is definitely someone I also hope to see more from today or I might attribute his lack of engagement to hiding as mafia.
Side question since I don't really know him: does he usually shine like a radiant beacon of towniness as town, if you happen to know?
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Mafia is more fun when played cooperatively! Let's see if they can answer before I get to a computer and check his last games for myself! It will be like a race! Who will win!?!
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Oops my Chezinu is peeking out today. Oh well!
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VE was the person I shadowed (insipiration behind the Shadowing Players thread) and I have a lot of respect for him because I've not only seen the behind the scenes VE but he was gracious enough to accept my invitation to have that experience. He shared a lot of interesting bits with me and you might say that a decent portion of my recent better play is directly attributable to roots planted by him. Keirathi was another big proponent in that regard but I haven't spent much time taking to him outside of the game. (obviously he is not in this game I am simply explaining this progressively)
I bring this up because a part of me is always double thinking, "does he do this X thing to throw me off?" because I know that while it is unlikely for him to run a gambit solely to his benefit when it comes directly to me, it is within his potential and ability to do so, however unlikely that it is within any certain game. Do I think he is angling to do that with me here? No. Would he ever try it? I'm sure at some point he might find it to his advantage to take my innate trust and use it against me, and I stay rather vigilant about it because I do think he is that good.
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I'll read back on Chaoser when Judge Judy is over.
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On May 16 2013 05:22 ObviousOne wrote:
I'll read back on Chaoser when Judge Judy is over.
I'm seeing a very much more involved Chaoser when it comes to a lot of these older games from him as BOTH town and scum, so I'm guessing alignment isn't a huge tell from him and there's something happening outside the confines of the game. Need that content from Chaoser.
( TL mafia database from the illustrious Kita: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17349384 you can get a good look at many of his games if you scroll down the player list and open his spoiler) OMG BONUS ADORABLE POST: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=15063623
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On May 16 2013 06:13 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2013 05:22 ObviousOne wrote:
I'll read back on Chaoser when Judge Judy is over. I'm seeing a very much more involved Chaoser when it comes to a lot of these older games from him as BOTH town and scum, so I'm guessing alignment isn't a huge tell from him and there's something happening outside the confines of the game. Need that content from Chaoser.( TL mafia database from the illustrious Kita: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17349384 you can get a good look at many of his games if you scroll down the player list and open his spoiler) OMG BONUS ADORABLE POST: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=15063623
EBWOP: activity isn't a huge scum tell from him. Lol I wrote alignment that's hilarious.
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I like how BH discusses nothing but WoS and myself and nobody thinks that's the least but tunnely / redundant given that he hasn't talked about or tried to figure out anyone else all game. Let's play the OO is scum decision up, more. He very clearly ignored everything I wrote after lynch deadline and has basically swept any chance that I might be town out of sight to blatantly continue adding nothing new to the game while appearing to be contributing through repeating the same sad set of points over and over. Sure his policy is bad but that doesn't make him mafia.
Like I just read a post that made me think WoS could potentially be scum and I doubt my thought because it's been BH reaming him from the get-go.
Since he isn't reading my posts someone please get him to discuss things that aren't OO and WoS. Those aren't even stances anymore, those are a given. I asked him about Hiro and he flatly pretended he never saw it.
And VE is probably scum too lol he's playing from some theoretical OO is good at scum PoV and that just very demonstrably isn't the case when my play this game so far has been anything but good. My scum games are marked by going down quietly once things are rolling downhill in my direction. I gave a last hurrah in OUR GAME TOGETER IN HYDRA he should know this VE why are you being this bad you are not this bad let's kill VE.
##vote VE
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On May 17 2013 03:57 Blazinghand wrote:
no, i saw your post, i just have zero interest in talking to you, unlike WoS. I legit think you're more likely to be scum than WoS.
Cool story bro
Tell it again.
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On May 17 2013 04:38 WaveofShadow wrote:
Fucking grush.
OO why mention you thought something I did was scummy without telling the thread what it is?
Also what ARE your thoughts on Hiro currently?
Cause iPod and I was talking about BH you were mentioned in passing
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Have to mow the lawn then I will re-eval my thoughts on Hiro
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I never state them in the thread. I have a quote I threw into notepad because I wanted a response from BH first. BH is cocking me up with his not responding to me thing I guess he doesn't want to actually play. Not at comp to show the thing I pulled out.
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VE hints he thinks I'm mafia. Then I take up a banner on his Vayne train and suddenly he likes me for a moment, then flips into kill-OO mode very soon after. His reason wasn't "because OO is my scum read therefore I will not vote for the same person" which I could understand and makes sense, and I don't think he ever mentioned that in his waffle either, and has now turned into some mega plot where I get myself almost lynched D1 and am somehow a scum mastermind for my play here. I would have told my scum team to bus me appropriately if I had one for the town credit. Does not gel.
Mafia wouldn't want to hammer me as either alignment, because it reflects on them somehow no matter what I flip. Town flip = more scrutiny for how when and why hammering. Scum flip = future associations when considering bussing. I should be looking more into the people not already on my wagon at consolidation time.
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Let's also consider that the entire mafia team (that was present) had already voted for me.
Day 1 votes
Voting for OO:
Prome - town read
Hiro - null read, closer to town than mafia, going to green for now, also BH doesn't want to talk about him for some reason or at least not with me and that factors in
Rayn - town flip
VA - town flip
sloosh - null read, need to dive him at some point
BH - ??? not scum with WoS, tunneling and being generally useless otherwise, of him and WoS I would put him at scum.
WoS - ??? not scum with BH, defending pretty hard, reads townie to me, of him and BH potentially being mafia I would go with BH but BIAS.
SNB - casts some doubt on VE but wants to flip me or Oats first. Oats getting his vote stolen is somehow reflects as summy on him? Not buying what you're selling here.
VE - scum read
Potentially 4 mafia already on my wagon from my current feel for the game. With 2 completely inactive (sinani, BM) one of those could potentially be scum, so we'll see about that later. Then there's the idea that they have been discussing "why didn't mafia vote for OO if he's going to be a mislynch?" when in fact the simplest answer is that the active mafia already WERE on my wagon. Voting on a policy wagon apparently doesn't reflect poorly on the voters when the offended policy is martyring so I would imagine mafia would have felt comfortable lynching me without worrying about it. A mafia team that is comfortable with defending themselves from the repercussions of a policy lynch would have no qualms piling on, and fuck with vote analysis down the lane.
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On May 17 2013 08:22 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2013 08:15 ObviousOne wrote:
Let's also consider that the entire mafia team (that was present) had already voted for me.
Day 1 votes
Voting for OO:
Prome - town read
Hiro - null read, closer to town than mafia, going to green for now, also BH doesn't want to talk about him for some reason or at least not with me and that factors in
Rayn - town flip
VA - town flip
sloosh - null read, need to dive him at some point
BH - ??? not scum with WoS, tunneling and being generally useless otherwise, of him and WoS I would put him at scum.
WoS - ??? not scum with BH, defending pretty hard, reads townie to me, of him and BH potentially being mafia I would go with BH but BIAS.
SNB - casts some doubt on VE but wants to flip me or Oats first. Oats getting his vote stolen is somehow reflects as summy on him? Not buying what you're selling here.
VE - scum read
Potentially 4 mafia already on my wagon from my current feel for the game. With 2 completely inactive (sinani, BM) one of those could potentially be scum, so we'll see about that later. Then there's the idea that they have been discussing "why didn't mafia vote for OO if he's going to be a mislynch?" when in fact the simplest answer is that the active mafia already WERE on my wagon. Voting on a policy wagon apparently doesn't reflect poorly on the voters when the offended policy is martyring so I would imagine mafia would have felt comfortable lynching me without worrying about it. A mafia team that is comfortable with defending themselves from the repercussions of a policy lynch would have no qualms piling on, and fuck with vote analysis down the lane.
I was going to post something about this earlier, but I find a mafia pile-on extremely unlikely. It becomes way too easy to dig them up via vote-count analysis at a later date if they do. (Or maybe BM and Sinani are scum together and mafia actually couldn't get enough people together or something....seems pretty unlikely). I'm not sure what that means about why you weren't hammered though.....honestly the more likely explanation to me is that you ARE scum. Is there another explanation?
Look at how many people have participated today. Lurk city up in this piece. Summer doldroms? IDK, it's like magnets and rainbows and shit. Fucking miracles from my POV that I didn't get lynched.
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Extending from my last post talking about votes:
Not voting for OO:
Vivax - town flip - votes WoS
Shiro - town read - votes WoS
chaoser - null read (still!! about to be leaning scum so get in here) - votes Rayn
prp - town read - votes VA
oo - town - votes VA
oats - town read (does this vote represent who oats voted for or where it was moved by his vote stealer?) - votes Prome
anonymous vote - ??? - votes Hiro
grush - town starsenses - votes Hiro
kush - null read - votes BH so I like him
Not voting:
sinani - ???
bm - ???
Guess I need to read Oats then (Ver help me retain my sanity). Maybe choaser will show up, maybe not. I'd be up to lynch him if he doesn't. Consider yourself on notice, chaoser.
Promethelax: Really different from last scum game, attitude is taking charge of the thread and he seems to really find scum/get people to post more to be able to read them. Town.
On May 15 2013 01:07 Oatsmaster wrote:
Unvote: WoS
##Vote: Prome
Oats was this compulsive or was this your decision to vote Prome?
Does Oats' vote in the vote count show his vote or does it show where his votestealer placed/left it? Does his vote stealer move the vote or must Oats move the vote himself?
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On May 17 2013 08:31 grush57 wrote:
I disagree OO. It'd be better for mafia if they pulled a no lynch, which they did.
Yeah but it sucks for me when I'm the town vehicle that it happened through. It fucking sucks. Sucks!
N0 - shit up my image by trolling
D1 - shit up my image by going emo in the thread
N1 - shit up my image by surviving at L-1, I could have hammered myself but then you'd be bitching at me for playing against my win con on top of martyring and nobody needs that shit with 5 townies dead at this point. You realize we're at 11-5 right? Get real with self hammering, I'm not going to pull a Yamato.
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K Oats is town, not reading that again as per my usual method of reading him once and then not re-filtering when it comes to Oats.
Need sloosh to talk about something that isn't about me so I can make a decision.
Need chaoser to come back so there's something to read him from
@Kush, flesh out your thoughts on VE for me please, I see that you're potentially en route to a scum read on him and most of my own reasons for him being scum are applicable only in regards to me. There is the fact that he isn't his active/paranoid usual townie self as well, and his posts read more diplomatic than the carefree spammy town VE I'm used to seeing.
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On May 17 2013 09:00 HiroPro wrote:
to be honest, this game is kind of silly. i still haven't gone through viscera's posts but we literally cannot win (since we won't be able to get lynches) unless one of chaoser/bill/sinani is mafia.
The mafia may win this game ![[image loading]](http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdge1qIbGy1rs47u7.gif) but it is NOT THIS DAY! VOTE FOR VE
VOTE FOR MAFIA
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