Carnival Cruise Mafia - Page 3

On May 13 2013 17:17 Oatsmaster wrote:

I find it newbie honestly.
Like he is not sure what alignment that makes BH because he has never had the same thoughts as him with BH being scum or town. And since he is newbie, he doesnt know that its a towntell if you agree with someone on a certain issue.
So yeah newbie.

On May 13 2013 17:27 Oatsmaster wrote:

I read it as a kind of post that a townie would make.

Not lynching him today.

He is being useless though

On May 13 2013 23:12 Oatsmaster wrote:

buddying every single player huh.

On May 13 2013 23:38 Oatsmaster wrote:

I say we lynch him for this really fucking bad attitude and promises that he is giving. I dont like promises.

On May 14 2013 03:30 Blazinghand wrote:


Yeah in a sort of clever way I think he is. I'm going to mention something I did in The Game as scum, and before WoS cries "omg thats ur meta not mine" what i'm trying to point out here is that this is a viable scum move, not that WoS in particular has a meta of doing it.

In The Game, I rolled scum. During Day 1, I make a scummy move by soft-defending Zarepath. My goal at the time was for him to get lynched, and for me to get town cred for defending him. I wanted to make it clear I was defending him but not actually derail the anti-Zarepath thread sentiment. I made this post to do that. Now, as I wrote the post I realized, "wow I'm pretty transparently scummy in this post, how do I fix that" and added a few lines to it:

So basically, by straight-up admitting to doing something scummy, I made it appear not scummy for me to do so. I incorporate the natural objection any scumhunter would make to my soft defense into the post itself, naturally defusing that tension. Anyone who wants to say "Whoa, what is BH doing here? Why was he soft-defending zarepath, that's quite unlike him!" has been pre-emptively shut down by the fact that I straight-up admit to doing so. I don't actually give a reason why I do it, I don't actually have a justification or a defense for it-- but by saying "yes, I made this move" nobody can say "ah-ha! you made this move!"

Taking a look at WoS's post we immediately see the same defusal of scummy behavior. And AGAIN, I'm not saying "oh this is BH's scum meta therefore WoS is scum", I'm just saying this is a classic scum move, I've used it, and I see it being used.



Imagine he hadn't written that first line for a moment. You can be sure I'd instantly Dunk WoS for writing a post like this, which only reiterates what's already been said (especially by me) and agrees with it. He would be so dunked. In fact, if he had only written his first sentence, but not his second one, it's still almost certain I'd dunk on him. But take a look at his second sentence! Look at the doubt it plants in your heart. It makes him seem open and townie for a moment because it's like "oh, he's blandly sheeping BH but he's not sure what to make of that!" He's stating awareness of that fact, and thereby defusing the arguments against him.

How much of my case against WoS seemed weak to you because of that second sentence? Now imagine you are WoS. OR rather, imagine you are in his position but are town instead of scum. You would DEFINITELY have an opinion on the fact that we are in agreement. If absolutely nothing else, if really nothing else at all, you'd try to interact with BH besides blandly sheeping him. You'd draw BH into a conversation and see if you agree on more things. You wouldn't ONLY rehash things BH has already said then be like "I guess we agree, not sure what to make of that"

As town you are curious. you want to hunt scum. Simply agreeing with the best player in the game isn't good enough. To those of you out there who agreed with me on my nk analysis-- you didn't just think "herp derp I agree with BH" did you? You wanted more information. You wanted to interact with my thoughts to get a better read on me. You had a townie instinct-- and instinct WoS doesn't have.

So, yes WoS was trying to blend in. He even wrote his post in a way that wouldn't spark more discussion with me. I'm just too sexy to be fooled by such things

/Dunked

On May 14 2013 01:45 slOosh wrote:
WoS, could I have your opinion on rayn?

On May 14 2013 03:50 Blazinghand wrote:
dat OMGUS

Which explanation is more believable for my post? Mine or yours?

On May 14 2013 03:55 Blazinghand wrote:
lol wos so dunker

On May 14 2013 04:02 Blazinghand wrote:
you are pretty mad I caught u huh

should have shot me when u hat thebchjqce nublet

On May 14 2013 03:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax i was mostly focusing on DP defending himself (his claim) and i was about to get onto other people later. I havn't really read any filters and as said didn't focus on other people. What do you think of Oats and shirokami?

For the record i think WoS is town, won't lynch him today unless he does something really scummy.

On May 14 2013 04:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
WoS, your filter page #1 mainly.

On May 13 2013 23:33 Vivax wrote:
WoS, me and Prom discussed a few reads together, what's up with your disinterest into hopping into our discussion? Didn't see anything worth your attention in our posts?

On May 14 2013 04:05 VisceraEyes wrote:

##Unvote
##Vote prplhz

On May 14 2013 06:03 Blazinghand wrote:


Almost!

I want to lynch WoS for HOW he agreed with me that scum killed DP, and I want to not lynch vayne because HOW he did his 180 on flip analysis.

Perhaps I didn't make this clear enough in my case: Whether someone buddies me, or whether someone disagrees with me, or whether someone derps or is wrong or is right, these are not how you catch scum. Scum can fake agreeing or disagreeing or being good or being bad as much as they want. A scum player could just bus all his buddies and pretend to be a master scumhunter, if all you look at is who he pushes and who he defends. I'm not saying this isn't useful information (since scum obviously don't want to bus) but this is only part of the picture.

When you hunt scum, you need to pay attention to HOW people do things, and what they are thinking (or not thinking) when they do. WoS's post, imo, could not have come from a town mindset. I don't think he'd have written what he did the way he did if he really was town and was wondering why we were in agreement. Vayne, on the other hand, really just seems to be that wrongheaded, and although I don't think of him as captain mctown, i can see how from a town PoV Vayne has written what he has.

This is how you hunt scum.

On March 17 2013 15:51 Wade Fell wrote:


please stop

you're so helpful

stop being so helpful

On May 14 2013 06:27 Blazinghand wrote:


okay reasonable but look at what he posted! He's like "look at this, this is meta for BH being scum" and quoted a post I LITERALLY MAKE IN EVERY GAME.

I do see how a town player could make a mistake like this, maybe he's just cornered and defensive. But really, what this says to me is that he's scum, and he's more interested in painting me as scum and defending himself than he is in hunting scum. If he was really town and thought he was getting mislynched, he wouldn't auto-think I was scum , he would evaluate evidence and a quote like that, which I make both as scum and as town, is not evidence I am scum.

It's literally OMGUS. It's not an attempt to hunt scum, it's not an attempt to discern my alignment, it's an attempt to fling shit and try to cause collateral damage without giving up associative tells before he flips. I get that I'm a bit abrasive, but I'll tell you something else: I'm also right.

and I calls em like I sees em

/dunked

On May 14 2013 06:34 Blazinghand wrote:


10

it's basically impossible he's town

On May 14 2013 06:36 Blazinghand wrote:


if you're not cornered or defensive how do you explain your lies about my meta?

On May 14 2013 06:36 Vivax wrote:
I'll sheep you, but I'll stalk you if it turns out wrong. 10 is serious business.

##Vote WoS