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/in
waveofshadow + Mr. Cheesecake
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I am not made of Oats.
Only sweet creamy cheese and Shadows.
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When young Kush can catch fly with chopstick.
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In the words of VE: FUCK!!!!
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On April 13 2013 07:41 ShotgunBiceps wrote:
Thank sweet jesus we are town.
Humph, that's usually my line.
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On April 13 2013 07:47 FondleMyButtocks wrote:
so many towns in this game, I wonder where scum is?
Right
##Vote: MockArmor
^^^
There.
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On April 13 2013 08:07 NeutralSrvivngBalrog wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2013 07:58 FiveTouch wrote:On April 13 2013 07:56 FondleMyButtocks wrote:On April 13 2013 07:53 FiveTouch wrote:
Bitch please. We're gonna be lynched D2 because scum are going to leave us alive N1 regardless of the fact that we're gonna eviscerate scum D1, but it's cool because the second scum will be right behind us. you scared of dying? For what it's worth, your posting thus far has reeked of obligatory. Shape up bish. is bish like "sesshoumaru is mah bishie" or is it like bitch with a lisp i have always wondered this thing
I don't.....what?
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What the hell was that supposed to be?
And who are Zach and Owen?
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Also I'd just like to direct people's attention to a theme I'm seeing here:
FondleMyButtocks
ShotgunBiceps
FiveTouch
InsertSmurfHere
I knew there was a reason I got aroused when I started reading the thread.
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On April 13 2013 08:28 InsertSmurfHere wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2013 08:23 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
Also I'd just like to direct people's attention to a theme I'm seeing here:
FondleMyButtocks
ShotgunBiceps
FiveTouch
InsertSmurfHere
I knew there was a reason I got aroused when I started reading the thread. I know I give you a hardon, but srsly get in the game.
Will you promise to pat my butt on the way in, coach?
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On April 13 2013 08:48 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
You know damn well town VE could make a post like that, Hapa, and you "voting" for lynching him for being "anti-discussion" or whatever is pathetic and scummy.
I don't really think either is scum-indicative but hay, that's just me.
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On April 13 2013 10:04 Hapahauli wrote:
As for Palmar's fake-nuke, I'm not sure why that mod-confirms him as town. Well he's certainly confirmed NOT Duke Nukem, but that doesn't invalidate the possibility of him doing it as a mafia goon. Anyway Palmar can be read on interest and behavior so I'm not all that concerned by it. If he's town, he'll make it clear so at some point.
I was thinking this myself, actually. I am however interested in what Syllo is going to be able to say about it beyond this; I assume it's some sort of meta-analysis on Palmar which, of course, I am incapable of.
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On April 13 2013 10:55 FiveTouch wrote:But I'm questioning you here, not the other way around. We'll change topics when I'm satisfied (being the point in the first place right?) Now, Cheesecake's post is very obviously critical in tone and verbiage (blah blah policy blah, full retard, common sense, savvy?). That much is true. What I'm failing to understand is how you came to the conclusion that I must be pushing an agenda of stifling discussion by me calling the discussion "boring". Boring doesn't mean "useless" or "stupid" or "common sense" or anything dismissive at all. It means that reading it was making me bored. Why no hate at Palmar for fucking off to watch Watchmen? Why no hate for WoC for this? Show nested quote +On April 13 2013 08:23 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
Also I'd just like to direct people's attention to a theme I'm seeing here:
FondleMyButtocks
ShotgunBiceps
FiveTouch
InsertSmurfHere
I knew there was a reason I got aroused when I started reading the thread. I mean, he's in your accusation of me and everything, and here he is, drawing eyes off your case on me with this drivel. No hate for the Cheese? Only hate for VE. It stinks of pushing an agenda. This is my problem.
Am I missing something here?
WTF are you talking about?
What post?
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On April 13 2013 11:04 ShotgunBiceps wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2013 10:55 FiveTouch wrote:But I'm questioning you here, not the other way around. We'll change topics when I'm satisfied (being the point in the first place right?) Now, Cheesecake's post is very obviously critical in tone and verbiage (blah blah policy blah, full retard, common sense, savvy?). That much is true. What I'm failing to understand is how you came to the conclusion that I must be pushing an agenda of stifling discussion by me calling the discussion "boring". Boring doesn't mean "useless" or "stupid" or "common sense" or anything dismissive at all. It means that reading it was making me bored. Why no hate at Palmar for fucking off to watch Watchmen? Why no hate for WoC for this? On April 13 2013 08:23 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
Also I'd just like to direct people's attention to a theme I'm seeing here:
FondleMyButtocks
ShotgunBiceps
FiveTouch
InsertSmurfHere
I knew there was a reason I got aroused when I started reading the thread. I mean, he's in your accusation of me and everything, and here he is, drawing eyes off your case on me with this drivel. No hate for the Cheese? Why no hate for CC? Because that post was made me giggle uncontrollably. His play so far also has a very different tone from his scum-games. His light-heartedness seems to indicate town. As for Palmar, that's kinda what he does. I didn't go after him for it for three reasons: 1) It's non-alignment indicative of Palmar 2) Palmar's alignment is usually fairly obvious on Day 1 based on his interest level. 3) I got caught up in 4 conversations at the time. Also keep in mind that the posts of CC and Palmar are not negative or detracting of discussion. They're just troll-posts. You're making the case that yours was as well, but we've gone over that already. What's bad about going after one player? Tunneling is the nature of the business. I'd like to think I've made why I went after your post as opposed to others pretty clear just now.
I'd just like to state for the record, that all of the posts up until now have been Wave. lol. Reading up.
- CC
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I have the towniest of townreads on Hapa. I'm probably going to buddy the fuck out of you this game, so prepare for my shenanigans.
Other than that, game needs more expounding on heuristics. And grass.
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On April 13 2013 12:19 ShotgunBiceps wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2013 12:19 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
I have the towniest of townreads on Hapa. I'm probably going to buddy the fuck out of you this game, so prepare for my shenanigans.
Other than that, game needs more expounding on heuristics. And grass.
Again >>
What can I say? I like me some Hapa.
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Does anyone else completely not agree with Dandel's actions confirming JM town? It's Dandel, l0l.
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On April 13 2013 15:54 MockArmor wrote:
My prior was post presented after VE presents rather valid points on both shotgun and DP/Palmar...
For DP/Palmar, definitely subpar play. Sadly, they are one of several people who have done next to nothing...
As for Hapa: I really didn't understand his townread on Wave (hence why I asked). His explanation wasn't very strong either. I know that Hapa's a strong town player, and find it hard to believe the guy would do something like this so haphazardly. The recent mislynch of Ace in my mind though reminds me that good players do dumb things. So this is a poor reason to suspect Hapa as scum. But there's more to it than that.:
But there's Scum Motivation too for this action. As scum, Hapa has Wave "buddied" to sway the vote. Wave already extended out to Hapa saying he was going to buddy him, so why not take advantage of this as scum? I know he's aware of what motivates buddying, as I recall him using buddying as a casepoint before in a past game. I'm looking forward to Hapa's defense.
##FoS: Shotgun
On April 14 2013 00:02 MockArmor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2013 23:54 raynmaster wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 13 2013 23:47 MockArmor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2013 23:42 raynmaster wrote:On April 13 2013 23:35 MockArmor wrote:On April 13 2013 23:19 SamuelLJackson wrote:
Mocsta you didn't answer my question. Why did you attempt to make a big deal out of a person posting something that in essence looked like a confirmation post and a post implying that he was going to bed? The complaint in general feels false given that the game had just started and it doesn't seem like you could have genuinely felt frustrated by the state of things at the time of the post. The question should not be addressed to Mocsta. Regardless; I have been content with the posting of my partner.. I also believe the post you have chosen to bring attention is, contains a valid opinion of thread sentiment. Rather, I think it is you, who is choosing to elucidate matters of the minutiae to the fore. Why would you not want a player you are talking to in the first place to answer? Are you gonna try to get out of bad spot by letting your partner to answer a question directed to someone else? /rayn That answer was clearly written by Mocsta. As is this response. What is your point? Are you suggesting that I am able to elucidate the inate thoughts of GoodKarma at the time of writing? What i do know is that the post in question, shared the same sentiments I felt at the time. The thread was too spammy; too crazy; and too emotional. Hey do you have any reads? Or expand on your hapa read please. Yes, we have reads. To expand on Hapa: We don't perceive him as scum; nor an entity to invest further time into this cycle. + Show Spoiler +
In my opinion, town Hapa is quick to jump to conclusions, and just as quick to re-evaluate his reads and make his current stance visible. I think that occured today.
Can you explain this, MA? You FoS Hapa because he has scum motivation for buddying me etc etc and is kinda scummy whatever. Then you call him town?
Rayn: That's Mocsta for you.
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On April 14 2013 01:15 raynmaster wrote:Yeah im Oats  /oats
I actually knew it was you but was referring to the hydra name :p
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On April 14 2013 01:27 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 01:21 DarthPunk wrote:On April 13 2013 16:30 ShotgunBiceps wrote:
As for Palmar/DP, not convinced yet. Palmar is being Palmar, and while DP's activity leaves me a bit wanting, that's about all I can say about him. Ok once again this started on a saturday so i was busy being social. The same exact thing happened recently in one of my last town games with a corresponding drop in activity. I see we have attracted a few votes. please don't be silly. reading the thread now etc but bear in mind its 2 30 in the morning and i can't do much before bed. this was DP.
LOL
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Idk MockArmor, looks like you wanted to push a misslynch on Hapa, then he retaliated and you decided to give him a town read for appeasement.
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On April 14 2013 00:02 MockArmor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2013 23:54 raynmaster wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 13 2013 23:47 MockArmor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2013 23:42 raynmaster wrote:On April 13 2013 23:35 MockArmor wrote:On April 13 2013 23:19 SamuelLJackson wrote:
Mocsta you didn't answer my question. Why did you attempt to make a big deal out of a person posting something that in essence looked like a confirmation post and a post implying that he was going to bed? The complaint in general feels false given that the game had just started and it doesn't seem like you could have genuinely felt frustrated by the state of things at the time of the post. The question should not be addressed to Mocsta. Regardless; I have been content with the posting of my partner.. I also believe the post you have chosen to bring attention is, contains a valid opinion of thread sentiment. Rather, I think it is you, who is choosing to elucidate matters of the minutiae to the fore. Why would you not want a player you are talking to in the first place to answer? Are you gonna try to get out of bad spot by letting your partner to answer a question directed to someone else? /rayn That answer was clearly written by Mocsta. As is this response. What is your point? Are you suggesting that I am able to elucidate the inate thoughts of GoodKarma at the time of writing? What i do know is that the post in question, shared the same sentiments I felt at the time. The thread was too spammy; too crazy; and too emotional. Hey do you have any reads? Or expand on your hapa read please. Yes, we have reads. To expand on Hapa: We don't perceive him as scum; nor an entity to invest further time into this cycle. + Show Spoiler +
In my opinion, town Hapa is quick to jump to conclusions, and just as quick to re-evaluate his reads and make his current stance visible. I think that occured today.
Well, you go through the trouble of digging up something potentially scummy from Hapa and question him about it. After a few hours of lurking, you guys suddenly come to the conclusion that Hapa is probably town (or something to that effect) and deem him no longer worthy of pursing today. I understand the stance, but what I don't understand is why, if you have initial suspicions of Hapa, that you're willing to let him off the hook so easily and not entertain the possibility of investigating him this cycle.
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On April 14 2013 02:17 MockArmor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 01:59 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 14 2013 00:02 MockArmor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2013 23:54 raynmaster wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 13 2013 23:47 MockArmor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2013 23:42 raynmaster wrote:On April 13 2013 23:35 MockArmor wrote:On April 13 2013 23:19 SamuelLJackson wrote:
Mocsta you didn't answer my question. Why did you attempt to make a big deal out of a person posting something that in essence looked like a confirmation post and a post implying that he was going to bed? The complaint in general feels false given that the game had just started and it doesn't seem like you could have genuinely felt frustrated by the state of things at the time of the post. The question should not be addressed to Mocsta. Regardless; I have been content with the posting of my partner.. I also believe the post you have chosen to bring attention is, contains a valid opinion of thread sentiment. Rather, I think it is you, who is choosing to elucidate matters of the minutiae to the fore. Why would you not want a player you are talking to in the first place to answer? Are you gonna try to get out of bad spot by letting your partner to answer a question directed to someone else? /rayn That answer was clearly written by Mocsta. As is this response. What is your point? Are you suggesting that I am able to elucidate the inate thoughts of GoodKarma at the time of writing? What i do know is that the post in question, shared the same sentiments I felt at the time. The thread was too spammy; too crazy; and too emotional. Hey do you have any reads? Or expand on your hapa read please. Yes, we have reads. To expand on Hapa: We don't perceive him as scum; nor an entity to invest further time into this cycle. + Show Spoiler +
In my opinion, town Hapa is quick to jump to conclusions, and just as quick to re-evaluate his reads and make his current stance visible. I think that occured today.
Well, you go through the trouble of digging up something potentially scummy from Hapa and question him about it. After a few hours of lurking, you guys suddenly come to the conclusion that Hapa is probably town (or something to that effect) and deem him no longer worthy of pursing today. I understand the stance, but what I don't understand is why, if you have initial suspicions of Hapa, that you're willing to let him off the hook so easily and not entertain the possibility of investigating him this cycle. Firstly, you have a keen enough eye to pay attention to our posts; yet, are not observant enough to notice that the early pressure on Hapa was solely GK. FYI, I entered the thread roughly 4 hours, caught up; gave my reads to GK. Let me quote him hhaha (cos i was surprised too) "I agree ironically with pretty much everything you've said".
Secondly, you have a very strong choice of words here Wave. "let him off the hook so easily" // "a few hours of lurking"; if I didnt know better, I would think you are calling me scum. Yet, I do not see a vote or a case for the accountability I was talking about earlier. To answer your question; I didnt think a ##FoS was hard pressure; thus enabling "letting off the hook easily".
Thirdly, (to address the crux of your concerns) you present your opinion as if reads are not subject to change. Why is this?I explained why I let Hapa off the hook in short. You still have not explained in detail what the dispute is?
Lastly, "I understand the stance" what does this actually mean?
I'm not calling you scum, nor do I believe you are at this stage. My point remains that FoS's in general are very noncomittal and, if you are scum, that is your way out, and the brief clause you provided to claim Hapa = town was fairly generic in flow with the thread.
"I understand the stance" = I know what your stance is on Hapa currently.
MA, what's your read on Rayn after all the "AHMIGERD GIMME READS" stuff?
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By Rayn I mean Raynmaster
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On April 14 2013 02:35 MockArmor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 02:24 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 14 2013 02:17 MockArmor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 01:59 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 14 2013 00:02 MockArmor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2013 23:54 raynmaster wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 13 2013 23:47 MockArmor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2013 23:42 raynmaster wrote:On April 13 2013 23:35 MockArmor wrote:On April 13 2013 23:19 SamuelLJackson wrote:
Mocsta you didn't answer my question. Why did you attempt to make a big deal out of a person posting something that in essence looked like a confirmation post and a post implying that he was going to bed? The complaint in general feels false given that the game had just started and it doesn't seem like you could have genuinely felt frustrated by the state of things at the time of the post. The question should not be addressed to Mocsta. Regardless; I have been content with the posting of my partner.. I also believe the post you have chosen to bring attention is, contains a valid opinion of thread sentiment. Rather, I think it is you, who is choosing to elucidate matters of the minutiae to the fore. Why would you not want a player you are talking to in the first place to answer? Are you gonna try to get out of bad spot by letting your partner to answer a question directed to someone else? /rayn That answer was clearly written by Mocsta. As is this response. What is your point? Are you suggesting that I am able to elucidate the inate thoughts of GoodKarma at the time of writing? What i do know is that the post in question, shared the same sentiments I felt at the time. The thread was too spammy; too crazy; and too emotional. Hey do you have any reads? Or expand on your hapa read please. Yes, we have reads. To expand on Hapa: We don't perceive him as scum; nor an entity to invest further time into this cycle. + Show Spoiler +
In my opinion, town Hapa is quick to jump to conclusions, and just as quick to re-evaluate his reads and make his current stance visible. I think that occured today.
Well, you go through the trouble of digging up something potentially scummy from Hapa and question him about it. After a few hours of lurking, you guys suddenly come to the conclusion that Hapa is probably town (or something to that effect) and deem him no longer worthy of pursing today. I understand the stance, but what I don't understand is why, if you have initial suspicions of Hapa, that you're willing to let him off the hook so easily and not entertain the possibility of investigating him this cycle. Firstly, you have a keen enough eye to pay attention to our posts; yet, are not observant enough to notice that the early pressure on Hapa was solely GK. FYI, I entered the thread roughly 4 hours, caught up; gave my reads to GK. Let me quote him hhaha (cos i was surprised too) "I agree ironically with pretty much everything you've said".
Secondly, you have a very strong choice of words here Wave. "let him off the hook so easily" // "a few hours of lurking"; if I didnt know better, I would think you are calling me scum. Yet, I do not see a vote or a case for the accountability I was talking about earlier. To answer your question; I didnt think a ##FoS was hard pressure; thus enabling "letting off the hook easily".
Thirdly, (to address the crux of your concerns) you present your opinion as if reads are not subject to change. Why is this?I explained why I let Hapa off the hook in short. You still have not explained in detail what the dispute is?
Lastly, "I understand the stance" what does this actually mean? I'm not calling you scum, nor do I believe you are at this stage. [red]My point remains that FoS's in general are very noncomittal and, if you are scum, that is your way out, and the brief clause you provided to claim Hapa = town was fairly generic in flow with the thread. "I understand the stance" = I know what your stance is on Hapa currently. MA, what's your read on Rayn after all the "AHMIGERD GIMME READS" stuff? Thank you for admitting: you are looking purely at the action (FoS). It doesnt matter what you think it "scummy in general'. What matters is whether you think GK motives were scummy. Lets apply some critical thought: Do you think the manner GK maintained dialogue is indicative of someone trying to be non-committal; someone trying not to discern alignment; someone not trying to figure out the game? ------------------------------------------- Secondly, Show nested quote +and the brief clause you provided to claim Hapa = town was fairly generic in flow with the thread. Are you suggesting, because I happen to agree with a 'flow in the thread' that I become scummish in conjuction with an old FoS? Are you suggesting, it is scummy for reads to be re-evaluated? ------------------------------------------- Lastly, I am still waiting for Rayn to reply back. Dialogue onus is currently on him. What do you make of Rayn; since you seem to be carrying his torch. - I do believe he was the one that questioned me originally regarding Hapa, ironically telling me we had voted him; when in fact it was just an FoS.
I am suggesting that scum tend to re-evaluate their 'reads' very quickly. Reading your filter it seemed like 'shit, Hapa totes suspicious", then a post or two later was 'nah, Hapa probs town". I think you've cleared it up nicely, however.
In terms of Raynmaster, he seems to jump on things really quickly. In your discourse with him (fuck, did I just use the word discourse?) I believe he came off scummier. Will expound in time.
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On April 14 2013 02:43 MockArmor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 02:24 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:I'm not calling you scum, nor do I believe you are at this stage. + Show Spoiler [Blah blah] +]My point remains that FoS's in general are very noncomittal and, if you are scum, that is your way out, and the brief clause you provided to claim Hapa = town was fairly generic in flow with the thread.
"I understand the stance" = I know what your stance is on Hapa currently.
MA, what's your read on Rayn after all the "AHMIGERD GIMME READS" stuff? So you are not calling me scum; nor do you "believe" I am scum currently. So...Why are we going through this dance then? You know.. where you repeat the same things where the subtext infers you think the actions are scummy Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 01:42 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
Idk MockArmor, looks like you wanted to push a misslynch on Hapa, then he retaliated and you decided to give him a town read for appeasement. Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 01:59 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
Well, you go through the trouble of digging up something potentially scummy from Hapa and question him about it. After a few hours of lurking, you guys suddenly come to the conclusion that Hapa is probably town (or something to that effect) and deem him no longer worthy of pursing today. I understand the stance, but what I don't understand is why, if you have initial suspicions of Hapa, that you're willing to let him off the hook so easily and not entertain the possibility of investigating him this cycle. This certainly doesnt read as curious; the connotation is clearly negative, and designed to read as scummy actions. So WaveOfCheesecakeWhen did you read of us evolve to "not scum" And what set it off; please walk me through this.
I have a really critical tone regardless of alignment. From what it looked like in your filter (I wasn't paying attention to who was talking, just the smurf), it went from HAPA SUSPECT to HAPA TOWN pretty fast. Looked like you got scared and just stopped. But apparently it's just you coming in and telling GK to stop being wrong?
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On April 14 2013 03:00 VIVAX420 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 02:24 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:On April 14 2013 02:17 MockArmor wrote:On April 14 2013 01:59 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 14 2013 00:02 MockArmor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2013 23:54 raynmaster wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 13 2013 23:47 MockArmor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2013 23:42 raynmaster wrote:On April 13 2013 23:35 MockArmor wrote:On April 13 2013 23:19 SamuelLJackson wrote:
Mocsta you didn't answer my question. Why did you attempt to make a big deal out of a person posting something that in essence looked like a confirmation post and a post implying that he was going to bed? The complaint in general feels false given that the game had just started and it doesn't seem like you could have genuinely felt frustrated by the state of things at the time of the post. The question should not be addressed to Mocsta. Regardless; I have been content with the posting of my partner.. I also believe the post you have chosen to bring attention is, contains a valid opinion of thread sentiment. Rather, I think it is you, who is choosing to elucidate matters of the minutiae to the fore. Why would you not want a player you are talking to in the first place to answer? Are you gonna try to get out of bad spot by letting your partner to answer a question directed to someone else? /rayn That answer was clearly written by Mocsta. As is this response. What is your point? Are you suggesting that I am able to elucidate the inate thoughts of GoodKarma at the time of writing? What i do know is that the post in question, shared the same sentiments I felt at the time. The thread was too spammy; too crazy; and too emotional. Hey do you have any reads? Or expand on your hapa read please. Yes, we have reads. To expand on Hapa: We don't perceive him as scum; nor an entity to invest further time into this cycle. + Show Spoiler +
In my opinion, town Hapa is quick to jump to conclusions, and just as quick to re-evaluate his reads and make his current stance visible. I think that occured today.
Well, you go through the trouble of digging up something potentially scummy from Hapa and question him about it. After a few hours of lurking, you guys suddenly come to the conclusion that Hapa is probably town (or something to that effect) and deem him no longer worthy of pursing today. I understand the stance, but what I don't understand is why, if you have initial suspicions of Hapa, that you're willing to let him off the hook so easily and not entertain the possibility of investigating him this cycle. Firstly, you have a keen enough eye to pay attention to our posts; yet, are not observant enough to notice that the early pressure on Hapa was solely GK. FYI, I entered the thread roughly 4 hours, caught up; gave my reads to GK. Let me quote him hhaha (cos i was surprised too) "I agree ironically with pretty much everything you've said".
Secondly, you have a very strong choice of words here Wave. "let him off the hook so easily" // "a few hours of lurking"; if I didnt know better, I would think you are calling me scum. Yet, I do not see a vote or a case for the accountability I was talking about earlier. To answer your question; I didnt think a ##FoS was hard pressure; thus enabling "letting off the hook easily".
Thirdly, (to address the crux of your concerns) you present your opinion as if reads are not subject to change. Why is this?I explained why I let Hapa off the hook in short. You still have not explained in detail what the dispute is?
Lastly, "I understand the stance" what does this actually mean? I'm not calling you scum, nor do I believe you are at this stage. My point remains that FoS's in general are very noncomittal and, if you are scum, that is your way out, and the brief clause you provided to claim Hapa = town was fairly generic in flow with the thread. "I understand the stance" = I know what your stance is on Hapa currently. MA, what's your read on Rayn after all the "AHMIGERD GIMME READS" stuff? Then why are you talking?
To get a read on a null tell.
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On April 14 2013 03:00 MockArmor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 02:43 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 14 2013 02:35 MockArmor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 02:24 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 14 2013 02:17 MockArmor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 01:59 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 14 2013 00:02 MockArmor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2013 23:54 raynmaster wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 13 2013 23:47 MockArmor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2013 23:42 raynmaster wrote:On April 13 2013 23:35 MockArmor wrote:On April 13 2013 23:19 SamuelLJackson wrote:
Mocsta you didn't answer my question. Why did you attempt to make a big deal out of a person posting something that in essence looked like a confirmation post and a post implying that he was going to bed? The complaint in general feels false given that the game had just started and it doesn't seem like you could have genuinely felt frustrated by the state of things at the time of the post. The question should not be addressed to Mocsta. Regardless; I have been content with the posting of my partner.. I also believe the post you have chosen to bring attention is, contains a valid opinion of thread sentiment. Rather, I think it is you, who is choosing to elucidate matters of the minutiae to the fore. Why would you not want a player you are talking to in the first place to answer? Are you gonna try to get out of bad spot by letting your partner to answer a question directed to someone else? /rayn That answer was clearly written by Mocsta. As is this response. What is your point? Are you suggesting that I am able to elucidate the inate thoughts of GoodKarma at the time of writing? What i do know is that the post in question, shared the same sentiments I felt at the time. The thread was too spammy; too crazy; and too emotional. Hey do you have any reads? Or expand on your hapa read please. Yes, we have reads. To expand on Hapa: We don't perceive him as scum; nor an entity to invest further time into this cycle. + Show Spoiler +
In my opinion, town Hapa is quick to jump to conclusions, and just as quick to re-evaluate his reads and make his current stance visible. I think that occured today.
Well, you go through the trouble of digging up something potentially scummy from Hapa and question him about it. After a few hours of lurking, you guys suddenly come to the conclusion that Hapa is probably town (or something to that effect) and deem him no longer worthy of pursing today. I understand the stance, but what I don't understand is why, if you have initial suspicions of Hapa, that you're willing to let him off the hook so easily and not entertain the possibility of investigating him this cycle. Firstly, you have a keen enough eye to pay attention to our posts; yet, are not observant enough to notice that the early pressure on Hapa was solely GK. FYI, I entered the thread roughly 4 hours, caught up; gave my reads to GK. Let me quote him hhaha (cos i was surprised too) "I agree ironically with pretty much everything you've said".
Secondly, you have a very strong choice of words here Wave. "let him off the hook so easily" // "a few hours of lurking"; if I didnt know better, I would think you are calling me scum. Yet, I do not see a vote or a case for the accountability I was talking about earlier. To answer your question; I didnt think a ##FoS was hard pressure; thus enabling "letting off the hook easily".
Thirdly, (to address the crux of your concerns) you present your opinion as if reads are not subject to change. Why is this?I explained why I let Hapa off the hook in short. You still have not explained in detail what the dispute is?
Lastly, "I understand the stance" what does this actually mean? I'm not calling you scum, nor do I believe you are at this stage. My point remains that FoS's in general are very noncomittal and, if you are scum, that is your way out, and the brief clause you provided to claim Hapa = town was fairly generic in flow with the thread. "I understand the stance" = I know what your stance is on Hapa currently. MA, what's your read on Rayn after all the "AHMIGERD GIMME READS" stuff? Thank you for admitting: you are looking purely at the action (FoS). It doesnt matter what you think it "scummy in general'. What matters is whether you think GK motives were scummy. Lets apply some critical thought: Do you think the manner GK maintained dialogue is indicative of someone trying to be non-committal; someone trying not to discern alignment; someone not trying to figure out the game? ------------------------------------------- Secondly, Show nested quote +and the brief clause you provided to claim Hapa = town was fairly generic in flow with the thread. Are you suggesting, because I happen to agree with a 'flow in the thread' that I become scummish in conjuction with an old FoS? Are you suggesting, it is scummy for reads to be re-evaluated? ------------------------------------------- Lastly, I am still waiting for Rayn to reply back. Dialogue onus is currently on him. What do you make of Rayn; since you seem to be carrying his torch. - I do believe he was the one that questioned me originally regarding Hapa, ironically telling me we had voted him; when in fact it was just an FoS. I am suggesting that scum tend to re-evaluate their 'reads' very quickly. Reading your filter it seemed like 'shit, Hapa totes suspicious", then a post or two later was 'nah, Hapa probs town". [red]I think you've cleared it up nicely, however. Actually, I dont think anything has been cleared. I did not explain a single action: instead, I threw it back to you to prove your stance. Show nested quote +Lets apply some critical thought:
Do you think the manner GK maintained dialogue is indicative of someone trying to be non-committal; someone trying not to discern alignment; someone not trying to figure out the game?
We dont get any resemblance of applying that critical though; yet, the opinion has changed. Any reason you are shying away from this? Let me remind you of an important quote, you might even recognise the originator Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 02:43 xxx wrote:
I am suggesting that scum tend to re-evaluate their 'reads' very quickly. This ties in quite nicely with your recent post Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 02:43 MockArmor wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 14 2013 02:24 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:I'm not calling you scum, nor do I believe you are at this stage. + Show Spoiler [Blah blah] +]My point remains that FoS's in general are very noncomittal and, if you are scum, that is your way out, and the brief clause you provided to claim Hapa = town was fairly generic in flow with the thread.
"I understand the stance" = I know what your stance is on Hapa currently.
MA, what's your read on Rayn after all the "AHMIGERD GIMME READS" stuff? So you are not calling me scum; nor do you "believe" I am scum currently. So...Why are we going through this dance then? You know.. where you repeat the same things where the subtext infers you think the actions are scummy On April 14 2013 01:42 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
Idk MockArmor, looks like you wanted to push a misslynch on Hapa, then he retaliated and you decided to give him a town read for appeasement. On April 14 2013 01:59 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
Well, you go through the trouble of digging up something potentially scummy from Hapa and question him about it. After a few hours of lurking, you guys suddenly come to the conclusion that Hapa is probably town (or something to that effect) and deem him no longer worthy of pursing today. I understand the stance, but what I don't understand is why, if you have initial suspicions of Hapa, that you're willing to let him off the hook so easily and not entertain the possibility of investigating him this cycle. This certainly doesnt read as curious; the connotation is clearly negative, and designed to read as scummy actions. So WaveOfCheesecakeWhen did you read of us evolve to "not scum" And what set it off; please walk me through this. Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 02:46 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
I have a really critical tone regardless of alignment. From what it looked like in your filter (I wasn't paying attention to who was talking, just the smurf), it went from HAPA SUSPECT to HAPA TOWN pretty fast. Looked like you got scared and just stopped. But apparently it's just you coming in and telling GK to stop being wrong? Why are you telling me you have a critical tone regardless of alignment? Why do you feel the need to insert alignment? When did i call you scum; I just asked for a critical thought opinion? This reads as inherent guilt to me.Further; I did not come in and tell GK to stop being wrong. GK hasn't been in the thread since I have been online. In addition; even if I told him he was wrong, how does that evolve your read to "not scum". ======================
So in short.
1.) When did you think we were not scum.
2.) What made you change your mind.
3.) If you thought we were town, due to the Hapa issues; why continue to ask questions that imply you think MA is scummy.
1.) I though you were scummy, and I wanted an answer for that flip-flop on Hapa.
2.) My brain, something in there.
3.) Never thought you were town.
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Lol I'm so high. CC420... Anyway, Mocsta, you're making it really black and white; like I thought you were totes scum and now I think you're totes town.
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In fact, why are you blowing this over the top, when all I wanted was a simple explanation of your guys' reads on Hapa? You seem really paranoid about defending yourself right now.
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On April 14 2013 03:05 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm drunk and Prom disappearing makes me want to post instead od look at bewbies. I Just saying.
>2pm EST
>Drunk
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On April 14 2013 03:29 MockArmor wrote:WaveofCheeseThis is your line of thought in regards to my commentary Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 00:02 MockArmor wrote:
To expand on Hapa: We don't perceive him as scum; nor an entity to invest further time into this cycle. Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 02:46 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
it went from HAPA SUSPECT to HAPA TOWN pretty fast. Hence, you conclude I inferred town.
In my opinion, town Hapa is quick to jump to conclusions, and just as quick to re-evaluate his reads and make his current stance visible. I think that occured today.
Nah, you pretty much called him town.
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On April 14 2013 03:32 MockArmor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 03:08 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 14 2013 03:00 VIVAX420 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 02:24 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:On April 14 2013 02:17 MockArmor wrote:On April 14 2013 01:59 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 14 2013 00:02 MockArmor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2013 23:54 raynmaster wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 13 2013 23:47 MockArmor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2013 23:42 raynmaster wrote:On April 13 2013 23:35 MockArmor wrote:On April 13 2013 23:19 SamuelLJackson wrote:
Mocsta you didn't answer my question. Why did you attempt to make a big deal out of a person posting something that in essence looked like a confirmation post and a post implying that he was going to bed? The complaint in general feels false given that the game had just started and it doesn't seem like you could have genuinely felt frustrated by the state of things at the time of the post. The question should not be addressed to Mocsta. Regardless; I have been content with the posting of my partner.. I also believe the post you have chosen to bring attention is, contains a valid opinion of thread sentiment. Rather, I think it is you, who is choosing to elucidate matters of the minutiae to the fore. Why would you not want a player you are talking to in the first place to answer? Are you gonna try to get out of bad spot by letting your partner to answer a question directed to someone else? /rayn That answer was clearly written by Mocsta. As is this response. What is your point? Are you suggesting that I am able to elucidate the inate thoughts of GoodKarma at the time of writing? What i do know is that the post in question, shared the same sentiments I felt at the time. The thread was too spammy; too crazy; and too emotional. Hey do you have any reads? Or expand on your hapa read please. Yes, we have reads. To expand on Hapa: We don't perceive him as scum; nor an entity to invest further time into this cycle. + Show Spoiler +
In my opinion, town Hapa is quick to jump to conclusions, and just as quick to re-evaluate his reads and make his current stance visible. I think that occured today.
Well, you go through the trouble of digging up something potentially scummy from Hapa and question him about it. After a few hours of lurking, you guys suddenly come to the conclusion that Hapa is probably town (or something to that effect) and deem him no longer worthy of pursing today. I understand the stance, but what I don't understand is why, if you have initial suspicions of Hapa, that you're willing to let him off the hook so easily and not entertain the possibility of investigating him this cycle. Firstly, you have a keen enough eye to pay attention to our posts; yet, are not observant enough to notice that the early pressure on Hapa was solely GK. FYI, I entered the thread roughly 4 hours, caught up; gave my reads to GK. Let me quote him hhaha (cos i was surprised too) "I agree ironically with pretty much everything you've said".
Secondly, you have a very strong choice of words here Wave. "let him off the hook so easily" // "a few hours of lurking"; if I didnt know better, I would think you are calling me scum. Yet, I do not see a vote or a case for the accountability I was talking about earlier. To answer your question; I didnt think a ##FoS was hard pressure; thus enabling "letting off the hook easily".
Thirdly, (to address the crux of your concerns) you present your opinion as if reads are not subject to change. Why is this?I explained why I let Hapa off the hook in short. You still have not explained in detail what the dispute is?
Lastly, "I understand the stance" what does this actually mean? I'm not calling you scum, nor do I believe you are at this stage. My point remains that FoS's in general are very noncomittal and, if you are scum, that is your way out, and the brief clause you provided to claim Hapa = town was fairly generic in flow with the thread. "I understand the stance" = I know what your stance is on Hapa currently. MA, what's your read on Rayn after all the "AHMIGERD GIMME READS" stuff? Then why are you talking? To get a read on a null tell. Whats a read on a null tell.. lol?
To get a read on someone who was null*
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None of that is indicative of anything whatsoever, Mocsta; CC and I have been talking throughout this conversation you've been having with him.
He's just writing stuff, possibly while high, and we have slightly differing views on what your conversation has meant thus far.
Let me go through it with you though, since you don't seem to understand his point of view:
First CC thought you were scummy, now he thinks you're town.
The quote where he says he never thought you were town? He meant before, you know, when he thought you were scummy.
What's the deal with you attempting to turn everything we say around on us though? I can't be sure of what CC thinks of you right now, but you've been null-leaning scum for me for ages, including now.
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On April 14 2013 03:19 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
Lol I'm so high. CC420... Anyway, Mocsta, you're making it really black and white; like I thought you were totes scum and now I think you're totes town.
semicolons are cool. It was in reference to what you thought I was thinking.
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On April 14 2013 03:48 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
None of that is indicative of anything whatsoever, Mocsta; CC and I have been talking throughout this conversation you've been having with him.
He's just writing stuff, possibly while high, and we have slightly differing views on what your conversation has meant thus far.
Let me go through it with you though, since you don't seem to understand his point of view:
First CC thought you were scummy, now he thinks you're town.
The quote where he says he never thought you were town? He meant before, you know, when he thought you were scummy.
What's the deal with you attempting to turn everything we say around on us though? I can't be sure of what CC thinks of you right now, but you've been null-leaning scum for me for ages, including now.
Just for clarification: I've (CC) been posting everything, and that one right up there ^ is Wave. We've been talking a lot about Mocsta. I thought he was suspect, then he explained a little, and i thought he wasn't anymore. Then Wave was like "Hey CC, that's probably scum Mocsta brohan"
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A WILD WAVEOFSHADOW ENTERS DA THREAD
WHAT WILL MOCSTA DO?
FIGHT
POKEBALL
RUN
I FORGET THE OPTIONS I HAVEN'T PLAYED THAT GAME IN YEARS
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On April 14 2013 04:00 Dandel Ion wrote:
Not-So-Nuclear Vote Count:
John Matrix (1): InsertSmurfHere
WaferofCheesecake (1): MockArmor
ShotgunBiceps (1): John Matrix
FondleMyButtocks (2): FiveTouch, Vivax420
Vivax420 (1): FondleMyButtocks
Not Voting (5): SamuelLJackson, Raynmaster, NeutralSrvivngBalrog, ShotgunBiceps, WaveofCheesecake
Message if wrong, 6 needed for lynch etc etc
WTF Dandel. You make me a sad panda.
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On April 14 2013 04:01 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 04:00 Dandel Ion wrote:
Not-So-Nuclear Vote Count:
John Matrix (1): InsertSmurfHere
WaferofCheesecake (1): MockArmor
ShotgunBiceps (1): John Matrix
FondleMyButtocks (2): FiveTouch, Vivax420
Vivax420 (1): FondleMyButtocks
Not Voting (5): SamuelLJackson, Raynmaster, NeutralSrvivngBalrog, ShotgunBiceps, WaveofCheesecake
Message if wrong, 6 needed for lynch etc etc WTF Dandel. You make me a sad panda.
Believe it or not that was Wave.
On April 14 2013 03:58 MockArmor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 03:53 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 14 2013 03:48 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
None of that is indicative of anything whatsoever, Mocsta; CC and I have been talking throughout this conversation you've been having with him.
He's just writing stuff, possibly while high, and we have slightly differing views on what your conversation has meant thus far.
Let me go through it with you though, since you don't seem to understand his point of view:
First CC thought you were scummy, now he thinks you're town.
The quote where he says he never thought you were town? He meant before, you know, when he thought you were scummy.
What's the deal with you attempting to turn everything we say around on us though? I can't be sure of what CC thinks of you right now, but you've been null-leaning scum for me for ages, including now.
Just for clarification: I've (CC) been posting everything, and that one right up there ^ is Wave. We've been talking a lot about Mocsta. I thought he was suspect, then he explained a little, and i thought he wasn't anymore. Then Wave was like "Hey CC, that's probably scum Mocsta brohan" Interesting; I was dead certain I have been dialoguing with Wave this whole time. Until your other half spewed out "totes town" Doesnt matter though: because Im not evaluating who said what. I am evaluating what the hydra said. And that has been quite clear.
Well you quoted a bunch of stuff that said I thought you were null / scummy, and not really town. Then you quoted something completely out of context that said you were totes town. Then Something about you being paranoid which is true.
So, what's so bad about that?
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On April 14 2013 04:02 MockArmor wrote:
I pressured him for justification and he reciprocates by calling me town/watever.
Dat lie :3
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On April 14 2013 04:10 MockArmor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 04:02 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
Then you quoted something completely out of context that said you were totes town. No, nothing was out of context. Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 03:48 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
Mocsta; CC and I have been talking throughout this conversation you've been having with him. Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 03:53 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
We've been talking a lot about Mocsta. Whether you are in agreement or not; you both are clearly in sync with each others stance via the active QT discussion regarding MA. So no "totes town" was not taken out of context; and is a direct by product of the on-going dialogue between whoever I was speaking to for the past 2 hrs.
Can you not read?
On April 14 2013 03:19 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
Lol I'm so high. CC420... Anyway, Mocsta, you're making it really black and white; like I thought you were totes scum and now I think you're totes town.
In other words, that's what you're making it look like.
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Apparently I'm doing a real good job of sounding like Cheese this game or something?
Mocsta:
On April 14 2013 04:02 MockArmor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 03:51 ShotgunBiceps wrote:
Mock - what part of those quotes from CC are scummy? All that shows is that he changed his mind over time, which is completely non-allignment indicative.
This is the second really questionable read you're using this game. The first being a buddying read that you justified as legitimate since I used it once in a game I played almost a year ago (and my 2nd normal game to boot). Shotgun; have you been reading the whole conversation or just that final post with a vote? Secondly, what I chose to elucidate clearly demonstrates a mindset that has not changed its mind over time. There has been zero critical thought other than "my brain: something in there". I pressured him for justification and he reciprocates by calling me town/watever. Now they are blaming it on differeing thoughts between the two slots.
*Yet, say they have been talking about it themselves in the QT incessantly*----------------- As for your second comment. I don't know about the buddying read specifically; but you pinged my alarms early on too. So get over yourself.
Lol I didn't blame shit Mocsta.
I said we've been discussing but I don't really care what CC has brought to the thread with you; it's not necessarily indicative of my thoughts whatsoever, just his. You mentioned that we're in sync, and you're right about that. Our goal is to scumhunt and by me sitting back and letting Cheese spout off whatever he wants, whether we agree with each other or not right now, that's what we're doing.
You basically are saying the same thing regarding what happened with you and GK, are you not? The difference I see here is that GK hasn't answered for himself yet, but you've been trying to answer for him this whole time, and only just now mentioned that it's up to him when he gets back.
I await his return with glee.
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But apparently both heads agree on FMB somehow, despite both heads not being there to analyze SLJ's post.
-CC
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On April 14 2013 04:52 FondleMyButtocks wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 02:41 SamuelLJackson wrote:FondleMyButtocks looks suspicious. His bigger posts look constructed rather than free flowing and he isn't doing anything with his few other posts. Going after Vivax/kush hydra is fine, but his reasons look forced to me. On April 13 2013 21:16 FondleMyButtocks wrote:On April 13 2013 08:40 VIVAX420 wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote MockArmor
Almost forgot that the guy found joining the pre-game banter funny but when the game started he didn't feel that much like joking. Must be discussing stuff elsewhere! the soft calling of someone as scum through the idea of 'posting somewhere else' of course they are posting somewhere else. I got a qt in my role pm. You got a qt too. We all did, its a hydra game! Stupid way to phrase this, it feels like over justification. It's not "soft calling" when you throw your vote down and stupid does not equal mafia. It was a short, semi serious early game vote post with only one justification. Not at all an "over justification", there was only one reason for the vote. His other reasons for finding vivax420 suspicious look similarly manufactured. The way he words his case and frames vivax420's posts overall does not feel genuine and open-minded (e.g. "supposed to be 420's concise thoughts", "even gives us a lynchable list"). The random comment about wanting to "almost" lynch GK for tradition's sake also looks like kind of fluff mafia likes to add to their post. Phagga are you going to write that mockarmor case? Nope, not gonna write it. At the time when i said that to prom it was about how I felt that GKs posts were constructed, and missing pretty much the free flow that you also accuse prom of lacking. However, after rereading his filter in CT I was reminded that this just seems to be the way he posts. Also, Mocsta has since then added a lot to their filter, and I don't see how their behaviour is pushing a scum agenda. reading up on some filters, will post more in the next hour. Also, I wonder where NeutralSrvivingBalrog is. I'll reread some stuff and I'll be back with a few thoughts in the next hour.
What is a scum agenda before the 24h mark of a game? I've never been scum so I'm not really sure. Can anyone enlighten me?
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I did, but he's not around atm.
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Ok I aksed him! (PS The reason I asked for the rest of town input is so I could have a non-internal opinion, but whatever.)
What I've gleaned from CC's extensive scum knowledge is that scum want to do a bunch of things on D1:
Distance scumbuddies, look towny, lynch a towny, etc.
Of course I could argue that by voting us, MA is attempting to do all of these things, but that's not the point of this post.
What interests me more is that CC told me that it's difficult to pin down scum on D1 unless they're really 'blates,' as he put it, and that without a flip it's difficult to ascertain what a scum agenda is.
Hell why does scum even need to have a specific agenda on D1? If no one is suspecting them, and they don't feel threatened what agenda do they need to push?
That's why your post bother me a little, FnB. It's so much the fact that you soft defend MA, but it's HOW you do it, considering there is absolutely NO WAY you could possibly know if MA is pushing a scum agenda or not with his posting.
So what you're saying now is you don't want to write your promised case because it was based on just GK's filter (which was tiny) and entirely based on the flow of his posting? Ok, I suppose I understand but then it seems your case probably didn't have much of a leg to stand on to begin with if you could immediately look elsewhere and prove yourself wrong. Why bother to toss out suspicion and make a big deal about a case that wasn't solid or even written yet?
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EBWOP:
That's why your post bothers me a little, FnB. It's NOT so much the fact that you soft defend MA, but it's HOW you do it, considering there is absolutely NO WAY you could possibly know if MA is pushing a scum agenda or not with his posting.
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I'm pretty confident that yamato/geript are town. Not so much on vivax/kush.
~CC
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On April 14 2013 07:08 VIVAX420 wrote:
ger use smurf!
but I like how you pointed out that pushing a mislynch on hapa line. that is a scumslip imo.
lolwut? First of all that 'scumslip' was CC, not me. Second of all, wut? Third of all, oh boy, I get to look forward to Geript's shit scum reads on me all game long again that are based on absolutely nothing JUST for a change of pace from like, every other game I've been in with him. Does Yamato know you voted me?
Trust me geript, my heart is in it as much as it can be right now. GK isn't back so there's nothing for me to continue to push atm but I will. Good to see you've put a lot of effort into your read on me though.
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On April 14 2013 10:46 kushm4sta wrote:
WOW no you are going to continue to push MA? please please don't. Your back and forth shit up the thread so bad today. Do you realize how unpleasant it is trying to read through that?
lol I will do whatever the fuck I want. Besides the shitting up the thread part is usually on Mocsta's head, not mine. I want GK.
Do you realize how scummy it sounds when you ask me to not to pressure my scumread?
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Hey.
Use your hydra.
And what? MA kept trying to stop it??
HAHA did you read that conversation at all???
On April 14 2013 03:29 MockArmor wrote:WaveofCheeseThis is your line of thought in regards to my commentary Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 00:02 MockArmor wrote:
To expand on Hapa: We don't perceive him as scum; nor an entity to invest further time into this cycle. Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 02:46 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
it went from HAPA SUSPECT to HAPA TOWN pretty fast. Hence, you conclude I inferred town. Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 03:17 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
I'm not calling you scum, nor do I believe you are at this stage. It is more than reasonable to expect, you inferred we are town here. So what do we get? ============= Now, if you are town, I am not concerned whether you think I am town/null or whatever. What I am concerned about is, why you think what you do. So an answer such as this: Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 03:17 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
2.) My brain, something in there. Is certainly not good enough; and requires further clarity and explanation.In particular when the crux of the dialogue you initiated was: Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 01:13 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
Can you explain this, MA? You FoS Hapa because he has scum motivation for buddying me etc etc and is kinda scummy whatever. Then you call him town? Lets not be hypocritical. I look forward to your more detailed response.
On April 14 2013 02:43 MockArmor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 02:24 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:I'm not calling you scum, nor do I believe you are at this stage. + Show Spoiler [Blah blah] +]My point remains that FoS's in general are very noncomittal and, if you are scum, that is your way out, and the brief clause you provided to claim Hapa = town was fairly generic in flow with the thread.
"I understand the stance" = I know what your stance is on Hapa currently.
MA, what's your read on Rayn after all the "AHMIGERD GIMME READS" stuff? So you are not calling me scum; nor do you "believe" I am scum currently. So...Why are we going through this dance then? You know.. where you repeat the same things where the subtext infers you think the actions are scummy Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 01:42 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
Idk MockArmor, looks like you wanted to push a misslynch on Hapa, then he retaliated and you decided to give him a town read for appeasement. Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 01:59 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
Well, you go through the trouble of digging up something potentially scummy from Hapa and question him about it. After a few hours of lurking, you guys suddenly come to the conclusion that Hapa is probably town (or something to that effect) and deem him no longer worthy of pursing today. I understand the stance, but what I don't understand is why, if you have initial suspicions of Hapa, that you're willing to let him off the hook so easily and not entertain the possibility of investigating him this cycle. This certainly doesnt read as curious; the connotation is clearly negative, and designed to read as scummy actions. So WaveOfCheesecakeWhen did you read of us evolve to "not scum"
And what set it off; please walk me through this.
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On April 14 2013 11:02 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
Kush does look the townier of the two in this exchange, however.
WoC, why should we NOT lynch you?
Because we're town, obvs.
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On April 14 2013 11:04 VIVAX420 wrote:
@WoC he says multiple times: Im not going to respond to you anymore because I dont want to shit up the thread...conversation over...etc
He says it once, and then again before he actually does leave. Clearly you don't know Mocsta very well if you think he actually stops talking when he says he's going to.
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Let's begin.
On April 14 2013 11:49 MockArmor wrote:@WaveofCheesecake:I believe you said something about "waiting" for me? I'm here, so fire away. Your entire case for MockArmor being scum was for "shifting our read on Hapa from scum to town," or something like that. In reality I made it a point to call out Hapa for what I perceived as buddying with potential scum motive. What caught my eye is as town Hapa must have more justification for his read. The way he thought you were town with such little justification didn't make sense to me from a town persepective. Hapa then satisfactorily justified his townread to me. I had been through the rest of his filter and seen nothing else that was suspicious. So with that clarification, I moved on. Sure an FOS is a flimsier version of an actual vote, but what I was pursuing was one suspicious point. It wasn't enough to vote him for without further investigation. Like what were you expecting? Right after my exchange with Hapa I'd be like, "Before I thought you were totes scum (which wasn't the case), now I think you're totes town (Which isn't the case either. Definitely leaning town on Hapa, but he's nowhere near "confirmed town" to me or anything...). Didn't you criticize my counterpart for the exact same thing?: Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 03:19 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
Lol I'm so high. CC420... Anyway, Mocsta, you're making it really black and white; like I thought you were totes scum and now I think you're totes town. So here's a question for you: Would you care to "expound" on this Rayne read of yours? Plenty of time has past and from what I've seen you've still been caught up on your exchange with Mocsta. I understand to some extent "waiting" for people like me, but why even bother posting if you're not going to help contribute meaningfully to discussion? More on that in a little bit... Posting the quote as a reminder: Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 02:43 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:On April 14 2013 02:35 MockArmor wrote:On April 14 2013 02:24 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 14 2013 02:17 MockArmor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 01:59 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 14 2013 00:02 MockArmor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2013 23:54 raynmaster wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 13 2013 23:47 MockArmor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2013 23:42 raynmaster wrote:On April 13 2013 23:35 MockArmor wrote:On April 13 2013 23:19 SamuelLJackson wrote:
Mocsta you didn't answer my question. Why did you attempt to make a big deal out of a person posting something that in essence looked like a confirmation post and a post implying that he was going to bed? The complaint in general feels false given that the game had just started and it doesn't seem like you could have genuinely felt frustrated by the state of things at the time of the post. The question should not be addressed to Mocsta. Regardless; I have been content with the posting of my partner.. I also believe the post you have chosen to bring attention is, contains a valid opinion of thread sentiment. Rather, I think it is you, who is choosing to elucidate matters of the minutiae to the fore. Why would you not want a player you are talking to in the first place to answer? Are you gonna try to get out of bad spot by letting your partner to answer a question directed to someone else? /rayn That answer was clearly written by Mocsta. As is this response. What is your point? Are you suggesting that I am able to elucidate the inate thoughts of GoodKarma at the time of writing? What i do know is that the post in question, shared the same sentiments I felt at the time. The thread was too spammy; too crazy; and too emotional. Hey do you have any reads? Or expand on your hapa read please. Yes, we have reads. To expand on Hapa: We don't perceive him as scum; nor an entity to invest further time into this cycle. + Show Spoiler +
In my opinion, town Hapa is quick to jump to conclusions, and just as quick to re-evaluate his reads and make his current stance visible. I think that occured today.
Well, you go through the trouble of digging up something potentially scummy from Hapa and question him about it. After a few hours of lurking, you guys suddenly come to the conclusion that Hapa is probably town (or something to that effect) and deem him no longer worthy of pursing today. I understand the stance, but what I don't understand is why, if you have initial suspicions of Hapa, that you're willing to let him off the hook so easily and not entertain the possibility of investigating him this cycle. Firstly, you have a keen enough eye to pay attention to our posts; yet, are not observant enough to notice that the early pressure on Hapa was solely GK. FYI, I entered the thread roughly 4 hours, caught up; gave my reads to GK. Let me quote him hhaha (cos i was surprised too) "I agree ironically with pretty much everything you've said".
Secondly, you have a very strong choice of words here Wave. "let him off the hook so easily" // "a few hours of lurking"; if I didnt know better, I would think you are calling me scum. Yet, I do not see a vote or a case for the accountability I was talking about earlier. To answer your question; I didnt think a ##FoS was hard pressure; thus enabling "letting off the hook easily".
Thirdly, (to address the crux of your concerns) you present your opinion as if reads are not subject to change. Why is this?I explained why I let Hapa off the hook in short. You still have not explained in detail what the dispute is?
Lastly, "I understand the stance" what does this actually mean? I'm not calling you scum, nor do I believe you are at this stage. [red]My point remains that FoS's in general are very noncomittal and, if you are scum, that is your way out, and the brief clause you provided to claim Hapa = town was fairly generic in flow with the thread. "I understand the stance" = I know what your stance is on Hapa currently. MA, what's your read on Rayn after all the "AHMIGERD GIMME READS" stuff? Thank you for admitting: you are looking purely at the action (FoS). It doesnt matter what you think it "scummy in general'. What matters is whether you think GK motives were scummy. Lets apply some critical thought: Do you think the manner GK maintained dialogue is indicative of someone trying to be non-committal; someone trying not to discern alignment; someone not trying to figure out the game? ------------------------------------------- Secondly, and the brief clause you provided to claim Hapa = town was fairly generic in flow with the thread. Are you suggesting, because I happen to agree with a 'flow in the thread' that I become scummish in conjuction with an old FoS? Are you suggesting, it is scummy for reads to be re-evaluated? ------------------------------------------- Lastly, I am still waiting for Rayn to reply back. Dialogue onus is currently on him. What do you make of Rayn; since you seem to be carrying his torch. - I do believe he was the one that questioned me originally regarding Hapa, ironically telling me we had voted him; when in fact it was just an FoS. I am suggesting that scum tend to re-evaluate their 'reads' very quickly. Reading your filter it seemed like 'shit, Hapa totes suspicious", then a post or two later was 'nah, Hapa probs town". I think you've cleared it up nicely, however. In terms of Raynmaster, he seems to jump on things really quickly. In your discourse with him (fuck, did I just use the word discourse?) I believe he came off scummier. Will expound in time. -GK
Feasible explanation of the Hapa business. CC isn't here and we actually haven't discussed Rayn at all, though I can tell you that RaynMaster is not on CC's list of townreads.
On April 14 2013 12:14 MockArmor wrote:So some of the posts that have stuck out for me, as previously promised.: Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 04:54 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:On April 14 2013 04:52 FondleMyButtocks wrote:On April 14 2013 02:41 SamuelLJackson wrote:FondleMyButtocks looks suspicious. His bigger posts look constructed rather than free flowing and he isn't doing anything with his few other posts. Going after Vivax/kush hydra is fine, but his reasons look forced to me. On April 13 2013 21:16 FondleMyButtocks wrote:On April 13 2013 08:40 VIVAX420 wrote:
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Almost forgot that the guy found joining the pre-game banter funny but when the game started he didn't feel that much like joking. Must be discussing stuff elsewhere! the soft calling of someone as scum through the idea of 'posting somewhere else' of course they are posting somewhere else. I got a qt in my role pm. You got a qt too. We all did, its a hydra game! Stupid way to phrase this, it feels like over justification. It's not "soft calling" when you throw your vote down and stupid does not equal mafia. It was a short, semi serious early game vote post with only one justification. Not at all an "over justification", there was only one reason for the vote. His other reasons for finding vivax420 suspicious look similarly manufactured. The way he words his case and frames vivax420's posts overall does not feel genuine and open-minded (e.g. "supposed to be 420's concise thoughts", "even gives us a lynchable list"). The random comment about wanting to "almost" lynch GK for tradition's sake also looks like kind of fluff mafia likes to add to their post. Phagga are you going to write that mockarmor case? Nope, not gonna write it. At the time when i said that to prom it was about how I felt that GKs posts were constructed, and missing pretty much the free flow that you also accuse prom of lacking. However, after rereading his filter in CT I was reminded that this just seems to be the way he posts. Also, Mocsta has since then added a lot to their filter, and I don't see how their behaviour is pushing a scum agenda. reading up on some filters, will post more in the next hour. Also, I wonder where NeutralSrvivingBalrog is. I'll reread some stuff and I'll be back with a few thoughts in the next hour. What is a scum agenda before the 24h mark of a game? I've never been scum so I'm not really sure. Can anyone enlighten me? Comments like this. Like maybe in a normal mafia game where no one can communicate with each other could I see this, but in a hydra game where you have a buddy to tell you this shit there's NO EXCUSE for shitting up the thread with this. Of course there is an 'excuse,' and I explained it previously. I was specifically asking for thread sentiment as to what a 'scum agenda' might be so I might have an opinion that's not entirely eternal, and maybe learn something about the people answering in the process. Just because you think something is shitting up the thread and you feeling like clinging to current thread sentiment that that's what we're doing doesn't makes it true.You then go on to post even more meaningless crap that isn't scumhunting.: Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 10:48 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:On April 14 2013 10:46 kushm4sta wrote:
WOW no you are going to continue to push MA? please please don't. Your back and forth shit up the thread so bad today. Do you realize how unpleasant it is trying to read through that? lol I will do whatever the fuck I want. Besides the shitting up the thread part is usually on Mocsta's head, not mine. I want GK. Do you realize how scummy it sounds when you ask me to not to pressure my scumread? Hi there. I'm WaveofCheesecake. Oh darn my scumread's not here. Need to keep waiting for him instead of expounding on Rayne who I've conveniently forgotten... THERE'S NO SCUMHUNTING HERE. This was actually done twice in quick succession. Only like a few minutes prior.: First of all, STOP FUCKING USING THE WORD, EXPOUND; IT'S SO AGGRAVATING. As far as Rayn goes, I haven't conveniently forgotten shit. I'm studying for 8 exams atm, and since CC and I never explicitly discussed him in QT, I haven't thought about him at all. Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 10:43 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:On April 14 2013 07:08 VIVAX420 wrote:
ger use smurf!
but I like how you pointed out that pushing a mislynch on hapa line. that is a scumslip imo. lolwut? First of all that 'scumslip' was CC, not me. Second of all, wut? Third of all, oh boy, I get to look forward to Geript's shit scum reads on me all game long again that are based on absolutely nothing JUST for a change of pace from like, every other game I've been in with him. Does Yamato know you voted me? Trust me geript, my heart is in it as much as it can be right now. GK isn't back so there's nothing for me to continue to push atm but I will. Good to see you've put a lot of effort into your read on me though. Like, you know, maybe pursue Rayne or some of those other scumreads you must have while you wait? You're doing a darn good job of remaining active in thread while not contributing much of anything except maybe a few points here and there in your own defense... Instead, let's make more pointless posts.: Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 11:03 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:On April 14 2013 11:02 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
Kush does look the townier of the two in this exchange, however.
WoC, why should we NOT lynch you? Because we're town, obvs. O rly? Clearly you're town. Because you're like SO acting like it... If you plan on convincing us you're town you'd better start actually pushing cases and scumreads. Instead of shitting up thread and "waiting" on people, be it your partner or a scumread. There's three scum right now, and you should have no problem posting stuff without first consulting your partner, so there's like zero reason why as town you should feel compelled to behave as you guys are right now. I'm not shitting up the thread, and once again, I can scumhunt however the fuck I feel. I don't respond to threats, and I honestly don't care if one of my current scumreads is voting for me right now. I don't honestly see what's scummy about specifically waiting for some sort of closure on a read I have before moving on, ESPECIALLY if I'm particularly busy IRL atm. You don't want me shitting up the thread? Posting random reads on other people like that giant fucking summary post seems a lot shittier to me than what I've been doing, and I don't feel like making random reads/lists just because someone doesn't feel I've done enough to them.
Read the bolded for my responses to you. Now GK, have you talked with Mocsta at all? I assume you find as scummy as he does? Why or why not, specifically? Your summary of our behaviour thus far is really just a summary of what others have said before and has added nothing new; 'shitting up the thread' and 'not posting reads' came from kush.
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On April 14 2013 13:39 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 13:34 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
For just being a summary of what other people have said, why haven't you responded to it at all? You're not defending yourself, you don't seem to be scum hunting, your actions haven't been portraying a town mindset. Yet you seek to neither address any of that nor correct any of that. Um...if you actually read my posts and my earlier ones, you'd see that I did respond to the allegations. I have been scumhunting all game despite what people want to believe; just because I choose to focus my attention one person does not mean I'm not scumhunting. I already explained why I don't have a read on Rayn yet---it wasn't mine to begin with and I haven't looked elsewhere as of yet as I'm very busy atm. There is nothing wrong with my actions at all, and I'm not seeing what you find scummy about them. Just because I don't feel like posting a bunch of useless reads on a whole list of people without the time to actually delve into some filters (which is all you'd get right now if you really want it) does not make my actions scummy in the slightest.
On April 14 2013 13:41 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 13:36 MockArmor wrote:On April 14 2013 13:18 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
You don't want me shitting up the thread? Posting random reads on other people like that giant fucking summary post seems a lot shittier to me than what I've been doing, and I don't feel like making random reads/lists just because someone doesn't feel I've done enough to them.
If you feel so strongly about this; why have you not pursued the giant fucking summary post originator? Instead you continue to make posts saying: Im playing with my dick in the thread, because GK isn't here. As GK said, there are 3 scum in the game. OK, you have us as a scum read, awesome. If we are not present; why are you not trying to put effort into looking for the other 2. Further, so it is CC who has a scum read on Rayn; no worries, I can wait for that. What is *your* opinion on Rayn. (moc) Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 11:12 InsertSmurfHere wrote:On April 14 2013 11:05 John Matrix wrote:
It's extremely informative about my thought process in the early pages of the game, with detailed explanations on what is going on from my perspective.
Sure, if you're a lazy fuck and don't want to read it then it's not useful, but I think I've made some good progress with that post. It's a fucking summary post, I am not impressed whatsoever. I could write that as scum a million times over.Vivax is also not a good scum read in my opinion. This is why, I haven't pursued him. I don't have more to add to that point atm, and I can honestly say diving into that pile of horseshit is about as appealing to me as arguing with you for three more hours. If you want my read on Rayn you're going to have to wait a little while. [/b]
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A cursory read through Rayn's filter shows that Oats finds Mocsta scummy; since I have come to the same conclusions I'd be interested in discussing this with him. I personally don't find RM(hydra) scummy in the slightest.
Any other reads from him atm would be nice too.
Hell while I'm posting a whole bunch of old reads just to appease the masses, why not my read on DP/Palmar?
Palmar I have very little insight into, but (barring the very beginning of The Game) I'm pretty sure I can tell when DP is town, and so far he hasn't given me very much to work with. I am not a huge fan of the 'confirmed town' status though I admit it makes sense to me and I expressed my feelings as such to CC. I think this game is going to be a very good indication as to whether or not my meta reads have improved at all, despite it being a Hydra game.
John Matrix, finished reading the thread yet? I'm interested to see where FnB, MA, and I fall on your red/green scale.
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I don't have the time for this now; if I feel it's appropriate I will post the meta case I have on Mocsta tomorrow. I can't be drawin into a million-hour discussion with Mocsta atm; I have too much work to do. The whole point of CC's discussion with Mocsta (for me) was to keep him talking so I could find out more. I don't care what the rest of town thinks about that conversation; the two of us know what we're doing.
And where the fuck are you getting that I have to check everything through with CC? All I said was I don't know why he finds Rayn scummy because we never discussed it.
Actually fuck it, I'll post the short form without proof atm; that'll have to be enough for now. If my meta reads are still shit then they're shit but that's why I wanted to hear more from GK---I'm not 100% cemented on my scumread/meta read and I was hoping GK could confirm in for me one way or another, which it hasn't.
In short, two things. At the time of be making my meta case, Mocsta had already posted a ton without calling anyone scummy; just making careful posts and not giving a solid read on anyone. This is indicative of his early game scum play from both NMM 37 and Hydra I. As town he throws out reads left and right constantly and ACTUALLY MAKES CASES to follow up with his reads and endless lines of questioning, which he hasn't done here. He votes for us here without actually even calling us scum---obviously amounts to the same thing but rubs me the wrong way.
Another random interesting meta tidbit to mention is Mocsta often enters a thread with much fanfare and hysteria, regardless of alignment (though MORE likely to do so as town.)
Hydra mini I (scum) - was there when the game started, lots of trolling, lots of joking around.
The Game (town) - replaced sandro after a day or so, lots of joking, calling people scum, whatnot.
Nomination (town) - jovial lighthearted posting style, throwing votes and shit around at game entry.
NMM 37 (scum) - Enters the thread with lighthearted tone and RNG fluff.
This game he was not around when the game started, and you'll notice he did NOT joke around at all, rather he got supersrs right from the get-go. I believe this is because entering a game late as scum, he missed the 'permissible first few hours joking-around period' and doesn't want to start fooling around when people are actually having discussion for fear he will look scummy for trying to derail. NOTE: He had NO problem joking around in the middle of The Game when he entered because he was town and had no reason to be afraid or look guilty.
Make of this case what you will for now. I might be able to expand on it further with better proof (especially since people are unlikely to go sifting through his meta themselves). CC was asking me to post this much earlier when the discussion was happening but I didn't want to derail trying to learn what I could at the time. I figure it's better out than in right now especially given thread sentiment. I'm going to attempt to study then go to bed but I might be able to check back on the thread a couple more times.
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Oats at some point during the night I'd like to hear your thoughts regarding MA and/or my case. In your own time though 'cause I won't be around.
Devil's advocate on your suspicion towards Palmar's post; as scum why put in that kind of effort just to make it look like you're contributing with a summary post, when summary posts are known to be inherently useless?
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It's not the fact that he posted a summary post, it's the amount of effort he put into it. That just doesn't make a whole lot of sense from a scum perspective---it's basically guaranteed to draw attention to himself as to how scummy it looks and generally pointless it is. I may have to agree with my partner's read on DP/Palmar overall for now.
As for my case it's deeper than that. He'll generally joke around upon thread entry as either alignment, more likely to do so as town---but this game upon late thread entry as scum he was too afraid to joke around. Also care of posting and lack of calling people scum/make cases is scum Mocsta. I'd suggest actually reading it and looking for yourself at some of his past games if you want the full effect.
Be back in thread later today.
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Hey guys. I'm attempting to catch up with the thread here but I'm casting in 10 minutes so I may not make it back in time for deadline if it goes 3 games.
For now, going to follow thread sentiment and vote FMB. I'm sorry I can't give much more than this atm, hopefully he flips red.
At the very least CC and I at least discussed him a little;' I know I personally thought his argument about how MA wasn't pushing a scum agenda was kinda stupid (it's somewhere back in my filter I think). If I get back with enough time before deadline I'll read into it more critically but this is it for now.
##Vote: FondleMyButtocks
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vote: Raynmaster
Because sheeping on phone at work.
Approved by CC. Do it up.
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Alright 30 min to go, cast only went 2 games. Read the thread, Geript, (because I'm assuming it's you who's going on about my meta from The Game etc) if you'd look at my meta from a more recent game than that, Ego Mini, you'll see that I will not be flailing around anymore when a town is looking to mislynch me. I was around for that in Ego and played it differently than I have and it worked out; in this game I'm barely even around and so don't even have the time to go crazy trying to prevent a mislynch onto us, even IF I wanted to.
I believe CC will be back shortly after deadline so hopefully we can get some of the questions people have for us answered then and whatnot. Now as far as today's lynch goes, is it Rayn/Oats? Because I remember finding him somewhat towny during my last read of him; I don't know what CC thinks.
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Ugh CC phoneposting so terror. Didn't mean to undo CC's vote, that was supposed to be an unvote for FMB.
##Vote: RaynMaster
Trying to coordinate this game has been hell so far, I'm going to have to trust him on this.
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Meh, you're wrong.
The scum read on Rayn was CC's, and we never discussed in QT because neither of us have really been around. That scum read was from waaaayyy earlier. He still apparently isn't back yet so I haven't had a chance to talk with him about it. All I said in QT to him regarding Rayn was that I thought he was town so when I said I wasn't sure regarding his stance on Rayn I meant it. He never explained to me why he thought Rayn was scummy in more detail and my cursory read looked towny, I was wrong, he was right I don't know why.
Simple as that.
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CC's and my shitty play this game is coming down to activity levels---I assumed he would be able to do more than he has and the same goes for me. If you'll remember in the pregame yamato I stated ahead of time I wasn't sure how active I was going to be able to be, and I was telling the truth about that, and about everything as always.
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There's nothing to try. I'm just popping in to post a little because I have to study and I don't know when CC is coming back; I figured he'd be around by now to pick up the slack a little.
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You're making a big deal of nothing. It's not waiting to discuss with CC, it's waiting for CC to play the game because right now I can't.
I'll try to pop in later.
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Hey CC here. Yeah we're shit this game. Yamato tunneling me? I must be town! :o
I was actually going to make a case against Rayn about his choice of tunneling MA -- He seemed like a really easy target for scum to pick on because of 'notgiving reads'....i actually thought moc was town in the QT but WoS kept doubting so i was like wtf maybe not.
Anyway, SNB a decent lynch for tomorrow despite the alignment of SLJ.
Also, i fucking called yamato duke nukem in QT lol.
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I feel bad for poor WoS... i honestly havent read a ton of this filter and hes getting shat on. Curse work
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Because he's not me, and there are a ton of pseudo confirmed towns.
pre lynch i was sure of ISH being town, hapa town, JM town, and FT town. Id give my left.nut to say moc is town now. SNB is null as fuck, may as well kill him now eh. between him and syllo there is at least one scum yes.
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Also dudes -- try not to be too critical of WoS this game. He told me he wouldnt have a lot of time to play but hes giving a solid effort. kudos to the kid for sticking in there despite my shenanies, i dont think id have the patience to hydra with myself :o
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On April 15 2013 12:49 VIVAX420 wrote:
ya it was me. WoC why is FT conf town?
kush
well i think hes town. confirmed in my brain. i actually have zero justification for this gutread other than gut.
love,
cc
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My gut tells me things, usually it's about eating cheesecake, but FT is the least sure of my gutreads. I was so happy to hear I got yam duke nukem right. Even though it was prolly lucky guess
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I should probably read how the lynch went down huh? Might be protown or something.
cc
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goon nuke nuke... mock420...
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2 scum nukes would be stupid op.
dat scum kp.
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On April 15 2013 23:15 FondleMyButtocks wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 15 2013 07:54 InsertSmurfHere wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2013 07:51 ShotgunBiceps wrote:
If syllo is scum, the last one comes down to NSB/WoC/Mock Precisely. So let's talk about it before mafia shoots one of us. IGNORING NSB (since I hate talking about unreadables) Which of Mock/WoC are mafia? Syllo/Sand saying they didn't want to lynch WoC is highly suspect. I looked through rayns filter and noticed the following: Raynmaster attacked JM, SGB, SLJ, MA and 5T repeatedly. On the other side he completely ignored ISH and mostly ignored NSB, us and Vivax420. There is on Hydra that was different: Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 18:30 raynmaster wrote:On April 14 2013 18:27 SamuelLJackson wrote:On April 14 2013 18:17 raynmaster wrote:On April 14 2013 18:10 SamuelLJackson wrote:On April 14 2013 17:41 raynmaster wrote:
Syllo, what is your read on Mocsta? His singular fixation on waveofcheese is a bit suspicious and I don't like how he made a brief remark about agreeing with me on FMB, but then diverted all his attention towards WoC.. Other than that he looks better now and I don't think he is a good lynch today. He has been quite active and the tone seems confident. So read on WoC? Why does MA look better? Why don't you tell me yours? I'm not interested in answering your questions. They don't even make sense; it's very difficult to explain why someone looks "better" and it's not relevant at all. I already gave reasons for not considering mockarmor a priority today and that's all you need to know. You said 'active' and confident. Right. Not exactly the best reasons to call someone town ever. I wanted you to expand on that but since you didnt want to, whatever. I feel that MA is misinterpreting WoC's push on him and that WoC looks like he wants to find out MA's alignment but MA isnt doing any of that sort himself. He is so closed up and prickly. No jokes and shit. Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 16:32 raynmaster wrote:On April 14 2013 16:23 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
Oats at some point during the night I'd like to hear your thoughts regarding MA and/or my case. In your own time though 'cause I won't be around.
Devil's advocate on your suspicion towards Palmar's post; as scum why put in that kind of effort just to make it look like you're contributing with a summary post, when summary posts are known to be inherently useless? Your case is MA jokes when town and not when scum right? Or is it deeper? Scum still post summary posts even though its known to be scummy. Like why do scumtells exist if scum dont do them? This is the only time Rayn is interacting with someone without attacking them. He never attacks WoC or implies he's scum. On the other side, WoC is very ambigous about Rayn. CC never explains his stance on Rayn. WoS writes this after MA asks for their read on CC: Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 13:18 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
Feasible explanation of the Hapa business. CC isn't here and we actually haven't discussed Rayn at all, though I can tell you that RaynMaster is not on CC's list of townreads. Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 13:53 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:A cursory read through Rayn's filter shows that Oats finds Mocsta scummy; since I have come to the same conclusions I'd be interested in discussing this with him. I personally don't find RM(hydra) scummy in the slightest. Any other reads from him atm would be nice too. + Show Spoiler +
Hell while I'm posting a whole bunch of old reads just to appease the masses, why not my read on DP/Palmar?
Palmar I have very little insight into, but (barring the very beginning of The Game) I'm pretty sure I can tell when DP is town, and so far he hasn't given me very much to work with. I am not a huge fan of the 'confirmed town' status though I admit it makes sense to me and I expressed my feelings as such to CC. I think this game is going to be a very good indication as to whether or not my meta reads have improved at all, despite it being a Hydra game.
John Matrix, finished reading the thread yet? I'm interested to see where FnB, MA, and I fall on your red/green scale.
Add to this how WoC intercepted the discussion between MA and Rayn: Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 01:13 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:On April 13 2013 15:54 MockArmor wrote:
My prior was post presented after VE presents rather valid points on both shotgun and DP/Palmar...
For DP/Palmar, definitely subpar play. Sadly, they are one of several people who have done next to nothing...
As for Hapa: I really didn't understand his townread on Wave (hence why I asked). His explanation wasn't very strong either. I know that Hapa's a strong town player, and find it hard to believe the guy would do something like this so haphazardly. The recent mislynch of Ace in my mind though reminds me that good players do dumb things. So this is a poor reason to suspect Hapa as scum. But there's more to it than that.:
But there's Scum Motivation too for this action. As scum, Hapa has Wave "buddied" to sway the vote. Wave already extended out to Hapa saying he was going to buddy him, so why not take advantage of this as scum? I know he's aware of what motivates buddying, as I recall him using buddying as a casepoint before in a past game. I'm looking forward to Hapa's defense.
##FoS: Shotgun On April 14 2013 00:02 MockArmor wrote:On April 13 2013 23:54 raynmaster wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 13 2013 23:47 MockArmor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2013 23:42 raynmaster wrote:On April 13 2013 23:35 MockArmor wrote:On April 13 2013 23:19 SamuelLJackson wrote:
Mocsta you didn't answer my question. Why did you attempt to make a big deal out of a person posting something that in essence looked like a confirmation post and a post implying that he was going to bed? The complaint in general feels false given that the game had just started and it doesn't seem like you could have genuinely felt frustrated by the state of things at the time of the post. The question should not be addressed to Mocsta. Regardless; I have been content with the posting of my partner.. I also believe the post you have chosen to bring attention is, contains a valid opinion of thread sentiment. Rather, I think it is you, who is choosing to elucidate matters of the minutiae to the fore. Why would you not want a player you are talking to in the first place to answer? Are you gonna try to get out of bad spot by letting your partner to answer a question directed to someone else? /rayn That answer was clearly written by Mocsta. As is this response. What is your point? Are you suggesting that I am able to elucidate the inate thoughts of GoodKarma at the time of writing? What i do know is that the post in question, shared the same sentiments I felt at the time. The thread was too spammy; too crazy; and too emotional. Hey do you have any reads? Or expand on your hapa read please. Yes, we have reads. To expand on Hapa: We don't perceive him as scum; nor an entity to invest further time into this cycle. + Show Spoiler +
In my opinion, town Hapa is quick to jump to conclusions, and just as quick to re-evaluate his reads and make his current stance visible. I think that occured today.
Can you explain this, MA? You FoS Hapa because he has scum motivation for buddying me etc etc and is kinda scummy whatever. Then you call him town? Rayn: That's Mocsta for you. He is pretty much picking up the case of Rayn and leads it on, while being all friendly to Rayn in the last sentence. Also note that this post came at a time when MA started to question rayn over and over. It looks like WoC was trying to shift away pressure from rayn, and change the topic. All the interactions feel like scum trying to cover each other. CC kept a backdoor open to vote rayn if it was needed, and they promptly bussed rayn when the wagon started rolling. Adding in the points that MA brought up on WoC, I feel that WoC has a high chance of flipping scum. -pha
Nothing but WIFOM, my dear friend. It's very possible Rayn was just going with my case (that mostly everyone else has called terrible; I'm more than willing to still accept that my meta reads are bad but it shouldn't preclude me from trying to improve myself) because he thought he could help it along to a MA mislynch. If anything to me that's more evidence for MA being town than for me being scum, but whatever. As far as me acting friendly to him, I've explained numerous times that I thought Rayn was town; I was wrong. Once again, very simple.
Now I'm actually going to be around a little bit right now so can we discuss who we might find the 3rd scum to be? Syllo does seem extremely guilty right now as despite everyone throwing at him that the best thing he could do if he were town is to help us out, he still hasn't done so. I'm pretty comfortable with that nuke landing later. CC and I still haven't talked a great deal (this might change tomorrow? He says he has Tuesday off) but from the QT his reads show that he's not sure of FMB, and NSB. I'll look into these two myself right now. Also if there's anything specific people would like to grill out of me now might be the time.
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On April 15 2013 23:26 VIVAX420 wrote:
I read the above post. woc is scum I guess probably.
good post and the association looks pretty fishy.
Also this post made me lol.
Real commitment to a read. 
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Well despite the SLJ flip we should probably just go ahead and kill SNB.
I'm pretty indifferent to the case against us, mainly because I never had the time to write up any cases day 1 and most of the suspicious stuff in our filter arose from WoS and me disagreeing about Mocsta and Rayn respectively. I really don't care if we get lynched tomorrow, and I think our green flip would bring a ray of light on the situation for town.
As for who is scum?
Could be SNB, FMB, FT. Everyone else I've got decent enough town reads on.
-CC
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On April 16 2013 00:15 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
Yeah, I ignored BH almost exclusively save for a few forced interactions in the last game. As a matter of fact I don't think I directly interacted with any of the other scum. I've see both avoidance and attachment as valid scum points.
Except as scum, I know how to manipulate all of those scum points. Just look at me and Lazer in Noir. We yelled at each other for half the game and he nearly got me killed with a vote. Idk about WoS, I don't think he's ever played scum. But I believe I'd be critical enough of Rayn as scum to avoid such associations.
-CC
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On April 16 2013 00:20 FiveTouch wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2013 12:28 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
Because he's not me, and there are a ton of pseudo confirmed towns.
pre lynch i was sure of ISH being town, hapa town, JM town, and FT town. Id give my left.nut to say moc is town now. SNB is null as fuck, may as well kill him now eh. between him and syllo there is at least one scum yes. Show nested quote +On April 15 2013 12:53 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:On April 15 2013 12:49 VIVAX420 wrote:
ya it was me. WoC why is FT conf town?
kush well i think hes town. confirmed in my brain. i actually have zero justification for this gutread other than gut. love, cc Show nested quote +On April 16 2013 00:15 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
As for who is scum?
Could be SNB, FMB, FT. Everyone else I've got decent enough town reads on.
-CC Cool story bro ~marv
Only said that because I never even read the last 10 pages leading up to the flip.
/thread
-CC
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On April 16 2013 00:23 FiveTouch wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2013 00:21 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:On April 16 2013 00:20 FiveTouch wrote:On April 15 2013 12:28 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
Because he's not me, and there are a ton of pseudo confirmed towns.
pre lynch i was sure of ISH being town, hapa town, JM town, and FT town. Id give my left.nut to say moc is town now. SNB is null as fuck, may as well kill him now eh. between him and syllo there is at least one scum yes. On April 15 2013 12:53 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:On April 15 2013 12:49 VIVAX420 wrote:
ya it was me. WoC why is FT conf town?
kush well i think hes town. confirmed in my brain. i actually have zero justification for this gutread other than gut. love, cc On April 16 2013 00:15 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
As for who is scum?
Could be SNB, FMB, FT. Everyone else I've got decent enough town reads on.
-CC Cool story bro ~marv Only said that because I never even read the last 10 pages leading up to the flip. /thread -CC So you were pretty sure I was town before those pages, and now I could be mafia? Why the change in read? ~marv
Rayn flipped red. If Rayn was green i'd still be pretty sure you're town.
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On April 16 2013 00:26 FiveTouch wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2013 00:25 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:On April 16 2013 00:23 FiveTouch wrote:On April 16 2013 00:21 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:On April 16 2013 00:20 FiveTouch wrote:On April 15 2013 12:28 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
Because he's not me, and there are a ton of pseudo confirmed towns.
pre lynch i was sure of ISH being town, hapa town, JM town, and FT town. Id give my left.nut to say moc is town now. SNB is null as fuck, may as well kill him now eh. between him and syllo there is at least one scum yes. On April 15 2013 12:53 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:On April 15 2013 12:49 VIVAX420 wrote:
ya it was me. WoC why is FT conf town?
kush well i think hes town. confirmed in my brain. i actually have zero justification for this gutread other than gut. love, cc On April 16 2013 00:15 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
As for who is scum?
Could be SNB, FMB, FT. Everyone else I've got decent enough town reads on.
-CC Cool story bro ~marv Only said that because I never even read the last 10 pages leading up to the flip. /thread -CC So you were pretty sure I was town before those pages, and now I could be mafia? Why the change in read? ~marv Rayn flipped red. If Rayn was green i'd still be pretty sure you're town. That's not a reason, that's a statement of what occurred. Is it your contention that I saw the majority on FMB, decided I didn't like it, told the thread repeatedly I didn't like it, town lynched another target, and I'm more scummy because of that? Can you explain the mafia thought process behind this please? ~marv
FMB could still be scum? Nomination, case in point. VE (red) was up for lynch. I said FUCK THAT GUYS, KILL SNARFS. Snarfs flipped red.
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Alright so, looked into NSB's filter; not too difficult I know, but it's a start.
Basically his only real contribution has been a soft defense on us and a simultaneous attack/vote of MA.
Now if you believe us to be scum because of Rayn's association, why not have a look at NSB for this reason as well? Apparently these are the only two people in the game who found my meta read 'not weak.'
I don't buy the excuse that it's because Rayn treated only us differently. It makes more sense that the two of them as scum would try to jump on a weak towny case against another towny to try and secure a mislynch to me, but whatever.
Moving onto FMB.
And FMB, I NEVER lie. As I said, we never seem to know when the other is going to be around (which explains me literally JUST saying I didn't think CC would be around until tomorrow, yet here he is.)
-Wave
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On April 16 2013 00:27 FondleMyButtocks wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2013 00:17 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:On April 16 2013 00:15 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
Yeah, I ignored BH almost exclusively save for a few forced interactions in the last game. As a matter of fact I don't think I directly interacted with any of the other scum. I've see both avoidance and attachment as valid scum points. Except as scum, I know how to manipulate all of those scum points. Just look at me and Lazer in Noir. We yelled at each other for half the game and he nearly got me killed with a vote. Idk about WoS, I don't think he's ever played scum. But I believe I'd be critical enough of Rayn as scum to avoid such associations. -CC Out of the three quotes I posted from your hydra, only one was from you. The others were from WoS, and he stated that you have been absent (although that one might have been a lie). And of course you never make errors, right? Every good town player has had his off game. The fact that you KNOW how to deal with such situations as scum does not mean that you always do it right.
WoS has nothing to do with what I would have been doing as scum. Of course, it's all perspective anyway. I fully expect for us to get lynch on the morrow, and I'm pretty content with it.
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On April 16 2013 00:36 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2013 00:31 FiveTouch wrote:On April 16 2013 00:30 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:On April 16 2013 00:26 FiveTouch wrote:On April 16 2013 00:25 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:On April 16 2013 00:23 FiveTouch wrote:On April 16 2013 00:21 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:On April 16 2013 00:20 FiveTouch wrote:On April 15 2013 12:28 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
Because he's not me, and there are a ton of pseudo confirmed towns.
pre lynch i was sure of ISH being town, hapa town, JM town, and FT town. Id give my left.nut to say moc is town now. SNB is null as fuck, may as well kill him now eh. between him and syllo there is at least one scum yes. On April 15 2013 12:53 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:On April 15 2013 12:49 VIVAX420 wrote:
ya it was me. WoC why is FT conf town?
kush well i think hes town. confirmed in my brain. i actually have zero justification for this gutread other than gut. love, cc On April 16 2013 00:15 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
As for who is scum?
Could be SNB, FMB, FT. Everyone else I've got decent enough town reads on.
-CC Cool story bro ~marv Only said that because I never even read the last 10 pages leading up to the flip. /thread -CC So you were pretty sure I was town before those pages, and now I could be mafia? Why the change in read? ~marv Rayn flipped red. If Rayn was green i'd still be pretty sure you're town. That's not a reason, that's a statement of what occurred. Is it your contention that I saw the majority on FMB, decided I didn't like it, told the thread repeatedly I didn't like it, town lynched another target, and I'm more scummy because of that? Can you explain the mafia thought process behind this please? ~marv FMB could still be scum? Nomination, case in point. VE (red) was up for lynch. I said FUCK THAT GUYS, KILL SNARFS. Snarfs flipped red. Fair enough. That means if SLJ flips mafia I should be confirmed town in your mind, because there would only be 1 mafia left and therefore I could not be protecting another mafia. Agreed? ~marv /agree I'm going to lurk until the Syllo flip. I will make my cases on Tuesday because I only have class that day and no work.
For filter.
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FMB, what are you current thoughts regarding Vivax?
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On April 16 2013 02:13 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2013 02:02 SamuelLJackson wrote:On April 16 2013 01:58 John Matrix wrote:On April 16 2013 01:51 FiveTouch wrote:
RAYN WASN'T EVEN AN OPTION UNTIL MARV TALkED YOU LOT INTO SWITCHING DP WHAT THE HOLY FUCK JUST LOOK ELSEWHERE AND STOP WASTING YORU FUCKING TIME
WE'RE LOOkING FOR SCUM TOGETHER, RIGHT NOW. JUST BECAUSE WE'RE ARGUING YOUR SHITTY FUCKING LOGIC DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE NOT LOOKNIG FOR SCUM The bolded is bullshit by the way. It was obviously a townie lynch. Marv didn't talk us into to jack shit. I am going to bed. Night all. So why were you voting for this "obviously townie" player? Anyway, I don't think there is an anti-nuker, so instead of wasting my time writing a bigger cast post, I'll just point to Palmar's reads, which I largely agree with. Sheep him. Why would there not be an anti-nuker?
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I don't understand why there would be any assumption by SLJ that there is no anti-nuker. For balance reasons and especially since it is one of only two town roles in existence, it makes more sense to me for there to be a nuker and anti-nuker for town especially since scum had a nuker (with the doubtful possibility of another).
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I forget who mentioned it but it really does look like a scummy attempt by SLJ to find the anti-, get him to question the town's read and shoot it down.
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If Syllo is scum then like CC I wouldn't care so much if we go down, especially since I don't have the time (nor the desire) to flail about to prevent a mislynch (and it would probably eliminate the rest of the doubt you guys seem to have regarding 3rd scum), but CC has mentioned he will have plenty of time to post tomorrow. Personally I'm thinking NSB.
Obviously I'd rather you guys not mislynch us tomorrow and hopefully even if you decide to (whether we are right or wrong about Syllo/sandro) we can generate enough discussion for it to be useful.
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NSB is MY only scumread, which we agree on I believe. I don't want to out CC too much because once again I can't back up his ideas right now.
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I'm willing to accept I was wrong about my meta read on Mocsta and the amount of pushing he has done as well as what I mentioned regarding Rayn and possibly NSB's push makes him look townier. I'm not 100% on MA but null leaning town on him now.
I absolutely hate kush's posting but they were right about Rayn pretty early, and Vivax's posting has been good. Town - I'm fairly sure CC and I agree on that front.
I'm leaving my thoughts on FT close to the chest right now partially because I can't afford to get into an argument with marv right now. I scurred of him.
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VE - I didn't tell you anything. I don't necessarily think he's scum---this is another one of those cases where CC and I have a lot of talking to do about it so I don't have anything to say about it yet; and any mention of it is likely going to make you guys shit up the thread like when you were arguing with DP.
Hapa/jampi - Kush first looked as though he wanted to lynch me (along with Vivax) before switching to Rayn. I don't see the point in admitting the fact that that once he read our filter at the time he figured we were town since he then goes on to say he'd lynch basically anyone else that day.
He can't be both scum and bussing his teammates and scum protecting townreads for cred---pick one and go with it. Also if he were scum and bussing teammates sine he pushed me first before calling me towny would you then assume I was scum too?
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On April 16 2013 05:24 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
I would like to point out if S&S cafeteria aren't scum, then if we lynch you and you flip town too then we are at MYLO and in worse position.
This.
Precisely the reason why I said I don't mind being the mislynch tomorrow but only if SS flip red. And even then we will be putting in effort tomorrow, and that is a promise.
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@wave
my qt is retardes on thia phone. You dont need to talk to me about your reads. they are your reads. we have different opinions. Just say them instead of saying that we need to talk. All ill do is disagree and youll feel shotty or something.
just say your reads man
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Hmm it turns out the post I liked the most was actually kush's...I mistook it for Vivax at first because there was actual capitalization n' stuff.
On April 15 2013 21:28 VIVAX420 wrote:
Sam is looking really scummy to me right now.
I thought that you couldn't undo thread nukes with pm, but his excuse that he just didn't know you could pm nukes is not likely.
Not giving a shit is a huge scumtell for sandroba. He hates playing scum.
in fact I don't think sandroba has been in the thread once.
marv why are you even talking about saving him? not gonna happen nor should it.
kush
I've heard this about sandroba before (in LX? I forget) and he's completely right here about saving him not being a good idea. He also goes against Vivax's townread of SLJ and mentions during the game that they haven't been reading each others' posting---not a very good way to play as scum where your chances of slipping double. I guess in retrospect Vivax's posting looked better to me earlier in the game in contrast to kush's spammy 'I feel like voting whoeva" stuff.
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No, I was asked about my read on you by hapa.
Any more brilliant flashes of insight?
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Ugh going through FT's filter again is taking way too long. I read FT as null right now.
Bullet points and then I have to fuck off and study. Make of these what you will, I'll be back tomorrow:
Voting patterns are weird as shit - chalked up to VE/marv voting independently for the most part.
Argument at start of day with Hapa was just horrible, but VE town-indicative I guess?
Distinct lack of marv/Palmar buddying despite the fact they were really eager to do so in Ego - could just be the more aggressive DP/VE factors.
No slip in argument vs DP despite it also shitting things up - more likely this means town but unsure because I don't REALLY know marv's skill level?
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scum concede plz thisll take forevs.
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I think we should just lynch NSB for today. Fuck him.
The discussion should not revolve around him, however. hes going to die. if he wants to contribute awesome --- then if hes town we have some info. we should dedicate today to discussing other candidates for lynch, because lawling over nsb for being bad doesnt get us anywhere. he will die and flip.
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Thats why i had so many town reads, because everyone who was actively posting was town.
GG
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