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On April 13 2013 05:46 WaveOfCheesecake wrote: When young Kush can catch fly with chopstick. Which is apparently in an hour, give or take ten minutes. Most probably give. | ||
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On April 13 2013 07:43 InsertSmurfHere wrote: Only if you are interested in voting for Balrog <--- not yamato Boooooo nodeal jk ##Unvote ##Vote Balrog So are you interested in a voting bloc? | ||
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On April 13 2013 08:19 InsertSmurfHere wrote: And Marv's not worth buddying? I never buddy marv. Not sure why. He's a meanie. | ||
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On April 13 2013 08:22 InsertSmurfHere wrote: Because you might be mafia! In that case, it's my job to make sure you die a horrible, disfiguring death. But I'm town =( | ||
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On April 13 2013 08:27 FiveTouch wrote: Well this is exciting and everything, but I've gotta go watch grass grow. Sorry, if it was anything less thrilling you know I'd be in here instead, but DAT FUCKING GRASS MAN. ##Unvote ##Vote FiveTouch Anti-discussion. No townie should care about a boring conversation in the first hour of the game. The entire point of this comment is to troll, detract, and create a negative atmosphere than anything else. | ||
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On April 13 2013 08:34 FiveTouch wrote: How was that anti-discussion? What is the objective purpose of that line of his? He called everything boring and added nothing to the conversation. It is a quote completely geared to creating a negative atmosphere. What discussion do you feel my hunnybunny inhibited? Do you think that kind of comment is out of character for a town-VE? ~marv Very. VE loves silly banter and spam. I find it hard to believe that anyone could take such a hostile stance towards any sort of conversation in the first hour of the game. He called the first hour of discussion boring... like who the fuck does that as town? | ||
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On April 13 2013 08:38 VIVAX420 wrote: imo not out of character for town ve at all How so? And who is it that I'm talking to? | ||
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Also what is this "line of suspicion" or whatever you're following on me? | ||
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On April 13 2013 08:43 VIVAX420 wrote: like I said I'm not gonna sign but lack of capitalization is a pretty good indicator that its the kush head. VEs play always reels of anti town. notorious sheeper, disrupter, drama whore, etc VE is a pretty pro-town, jovial guy as town. On April 13 2013 08:43 InsertSmurfHere wrote: COMPLETELY disagree, I think you're 1000% wrong. Ok where am I wrong? Is VE being town? Am I misinterpreting his quote? F Fill in your thoughts man. Yeesh. And the line of suspicion is that you've been suspicious, Hapa. Should be pretty fucking obvious. I'm suspicious cause I'm being suspicious. OMAGOD LYNCH ME | ||
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On April 13 2013 08:48 InsertSmurfHere wrote: You know damn well town VE could make a post like that, Hapa, and you "voting" for lynching him for being "anti-discussion" or whatever is pathetic and scummy. I think it's very scummy. Scum try to shut down discussion like that all the time. When I used to bring up policy talk in my opening-games, I remember scum responding like that all the time. "lol this talk is stupid i'll be back when we begin to play" is something I've seen time and time again from scum. Most recently in the game I just hosted (Mr.CC shutting down discussion on Day 1 with negative comments). Is VE 100% scum? Of course not. I can't make an accurate read 30 minutes into day 1. But you better be damn sure that if I find something worth pursuing early on, I'm going to pursue it until the issue is a dead carcass on the side of the road and I find the truth of the matter. | ||
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On April 13 2013 08:52 InsertSmurfHere wrote: You're completely missing the POINT. TOWN VE could make a post like that, and YOU fucking know better, yet you insist that it's alignment indicative. Town VE could make a post like that for sure. HOWEVER I find it more likely that scum-VE did it. Stop being a dumbass Yamato. | ||
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You keep singing the songs of "BS" but refuse to explain why that quote isn't scummy. Even if you don't believe agree with me, why do you care I'm pursuing this? Hell we're going to get information out of VE from this, which both of us should value at this point. Unless you think he's town. If so, inb4 scum-Yamato's meta-case on VE. | ||
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On April 13 2013 08:55 InsertSmurfHere wrote: Ok Hapa, I don't know shit about you or your thought processes. Please tell me: 1. Your favorite color 2. Your age when you first kissed a girl 3. Why you think that comment was shutting down discussion 1) Blue 2) 16 3) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406683¤tpage=13#250 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406683¤tpage=13#259 | ||
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But seriously you guys should vote VE. No one has yet explained why his comment isn't objectively scummy. It's even objectively scummy for VE. | ||
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On April 13 2013 09:07 InsertSmurfHere wrote: No, it's not. You fucking know better. Says the guy who voted me because I'm "trying too hard" | ||
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On April 13 2013 09:09 InsertSmurfHere wrote: That is not my case. Lol, you scum Hapa. Lol u town Yamato Though is your case something I should be taking seriously? I've been under the impression that you've been angry-trolling thusfar. | ||
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Anyway can we just be friends again? My Buddying invitation is re-extended =) | ||
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On April 13 2013 09:08 FiveTouch wrote: No one except for....the accused! No but you're proving my point here. Scum do this all the time. This mentality of "all this discussion sucks! See you when we reaaaaaaly start playing" is something I've seen scum do time and time again. Most recently, Mr.CC in Noir Mini, who spent the early-game shutting down policy talk and being angry at early-game discussion for no reason. | ||
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On April 13 2013 09:17 InsertSmurfHere wrote: I don't want to be friends with mafia. Alright, well we can be friends when you emerge from your tunnel or whatever it is. Then you can fondle my buttocks with FondleMyButtocks But let's talk about VE a bit. You think he makes comments like that all the time, and I vehemently disagree. Granted I'm no VE meta-expert, but he's usually very pro-discussion in the early-game as town. And here I'm faced with this quote that is the exact opposite - calling everything boring and promising to watch paint dry. I think that goes quite against town-VE's mentality. | ||
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On April 13 2013 09:21 FiveTouch wrote: I could almost forgive all the bullcrap you spouted before, Hapa, but you're clinging on for dear life here. That's some rather lofty rhetoric there marvel-babe. I'm rather comfortable with my vote so far =) His comment isn't 'objectively' scummy in the slightest, he was saying he was bored with all the trolling. Yes, and it was the manner in which he approached it that is scummy. It wasn't just that he was bored with it all - he was criticizing discussion without making any attempt to move it in the right direction. Idle and objectively-purposeless criticisms such as these are scummy Mabye people don't understand the read I'm trying to explain. I don't think it's subtle, but maybe I need to make a longer post about it. Do note in his last town game he was down to serious business within half an hour of first posting in the thread on Day 1 (The Game). That wasn't his last town game. And what's even your point? | ||
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On April 13 2013 09:21 InsertSmurfHere wrote: Scum VE quite often is pro-town and not disruptive, when town VE makes random comments against thread sentiment all the fucking time. I understand comments against thread sentiment, however that's not what I'm going after. VE criticizes the direction of the discussion, and proceeds to do nothing about it. But I think it's becoming clear to me that you don't understand the read I'm trying to make. It isn't that VE is making some random stupid comment or against thread sentiment - that's pretty darn normal. It's that VE is making a comment with the sole purpose of being negative/critical about discussion, and from what I've seen from VE, he rather likes the early-game banter. Anyway do you understand my read or not? I'll make a longer post about it if you don't. I am a VE meta-expert, I've played with scum VE many times. Ok and I haven't. If you can point to me a similar comment that he's made in a past game, I'll take a gander, but I've never seen VE take such a negative attitude to Day 1 discussion. | ||
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On April 13 2013 09:31 FiveTouch wrote: My "point" is that you're saying this isn't like town-VE, whereas town VE after a brief flurry of introduction usually gets down to serious business. You're the one making the contention. ~marv Firstly it's VE that should be talking in his defense, not you. Secondly, I don't believe that's a valid meta-argument about VE. He does that as scum too. Therefore I'm going to pursue objectively scummy actions. | ||
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On April 13 2013 09:32 VIVAX420 wrote: Shotgun, VE being openly lazy and careless doesn't make him scum, I have to say that keeping to push that as only reason for thinking he's scum doesn't look good, why don't you inquire further if you have a suspicion instead of defending your argument? Well I'm waiting for VE to respond. Hard to pursue my suspicion when several people are sheidling him. In fact I'd love nothing more htan to have a 1v1 conversation with VE right now so I can sort out if my read has more basis or not. Unfortunately people aren't letting me do so. But it's creating discussion, so I suppose that's fine. | ||
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On April 13 2013 10:21 VIVAX420 wrote: Are you reading this game wtf.... obviously we have both talked and there are huge differences between how we talk. -kush Yeah I wasn't reading very carefully whilst responding to like 4 people at once. Anyway yes you're both on, however that does reveal how little you've posted thusfar. All I see in your filter read-wise is calling VE a drama whore and soft-pushing suspicion on Yamato. | ||
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On April 13 2013 10:28 FiveTouch wrote: I didn't go anywhere - your response didn't satisfy me and I'm trying to read other people instead of you because I'm afraid I'm biased now. SnB/Draz did nothing but +1 your initial suspicion of me and then fuck off. Interested in what they have to say about stuff now. Ok what's not satisfying? Now is as good of a time as any to take care of that. | ||
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On April 13 2013 10:35 FiveTouch wrote: Well for starters, you never adequately explained how me coming in and joking about watching grass grow is more likely to come from a scumVE than a townVE. In fact, I can't understand your motivation at all. First of all, I've been in here openly discussing everything with everyone, INCLUDING you. You ignored the majority of my filter in support of your weak accusation, and still assert that it's scummy to you, you just can't be fucked into explaining why. So how does me joking about exciting grass mean that I'm attempting to stifle discussion? ALL evidence points to the opposite, except for the one joke post you quoted. I'm in the same boat as Yam at this point - I know you're better than this. My initial thought was "Oh, he's got to be fishing for reactions" or something but you're not - you want the thread to believe that you genuinely find me suspicious for this...and that's suspicious to me. Well the interpretation was that you were trying to shut down discussion by calling it boring. Noir Mini (and Mr.CC's filter) being fresh in my mind, it reminded me of his early-game... sample: On April 02 2013 07:40 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Blah blah blah policy blah blah Policy: Don't go full retard mode if you're town. Savvy? You'd think this would be common sense by now. THe post is really dismissal/critical of early-game discussion (policy-talk). And of course it's not just limited to CC - scum tend to do this since they are generally anti-discussion. Your post is fairly similar: On April 13 2013 08:27 FiveTouch wrote: Well this is exciting and everything, but I've gotta go watch grass grow. Sorry, if it was anything less thrilling you know I'd be in here instead, but DAT FUCKING GRASS MAN. Again, very dismissive/critical of early-game discussion. You claim it's trolling/non-serious, which is an alternative explanation, but admittedly one I'm not completely satisfied with. Anyway I'm at a point where I can't well-articulate my suspicions against you, so questioning you further is fruitless for the time being. I'll likely revisit you/marv in 24-hours or so with a fresh mind. In the mean-time, let us post and converse. | ||
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In fact, I can't understand your motivation at all. First of all, I've been in here openly discussing everything with everyone, INCLUDING you. As for motivation, it was half-forced half-real. I do like jumping on things very early on, because I feel that it's the best way to get discussion going. At the same time though, I'm not going to jump on something I dont' believe in myself, and something about that quote still is really off to me (but enough about that). It's something I've done in the past to some success (against DP several times). Was it a wise choice this game? Dunno. It certainly heated up the thread, but Yamato going after me mid-way through my push threw me off and made me lose a lot of focus midway through the push (hence me not reading things carefully and going slightly retarded toward the end). | ||
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On April 13 2013 10:47 VIVAX420 wrote: Hapa I think you're seeing things. Voluntarily or not, that's still to determine. All I see is VE saying that he's about to go away for a jokish reason, but then being there anyway. How does that post imply that he wants to stop discussion? Is he asking you to stop talking with others? The bottom line is that I'm not pursuing this thing any further (atleast not that quote anyway). I can't articulate it well, and therefore I probably should be looking to other things. I posted it more as an explanation to VE. | ||
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On April 13 2013 10:55 FiveTouch wrote: But I'm questioning you here, not the other way around. We'll change topics when I'm satisfied (being the point in the first place right?) Now, Cheesecake's post is very obviously critical in tone and verbiage (blah blah policy blah, full retard, common sense, savvy?). That much is true. What I'm failing to understand is how you came to the conclusion that I must be pushing an agenda of stifling discussion by me calling the discussion "boring". Boring doesn't mean "useless" or "stupid" or "common sense" or anything dismissive at all. It means that reading it was making me bored. Why no hate at Palmar for fucking off to watch Watchmen? Why no hate for WoC for this? I mean, he's in your accusation of me and everything, and here he is, drawing eyes off your case on me with this drivel. No hate for the Cheese? Why no hate for CC? Because that post was made me giggle uncontrollably. His play so far also has a very different tone from his scum-games. His light-heartedness seems to indicate town. As for Palmar, that's kinda what he does. I didn't go after him for it for three reasons: 1) It's non-alignment indicative of Palmar 2) Palmar's alignment is usually fairly obvious on Day 1 based on his interest level. 3) I got caught up in 4 conversations at the time. Also keep in mind that the posts of CC and Palmar are not negative or detracting of discussion. They're just troll-posts. You're making the case that yours was as well, but we've gone over that already. Only hate for VE. It stinks of pushing an agenda. This is my problem. What's bad about going after one player? Tunneling is the nature of the business. I'd like to think I've made why I went after your post as opposed to others pretty clear just now. | ||
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On April 13 2013 10:57 FiveTouch wrote: And for the record, this whole situation could have likely been avoided had you invited me into your voting bloc in the first place. Just sayin.  Yeah I did kinda steal your idea from the podcast =/ Though I wasn't planning to do anything with it. Just early-game banter. | ||
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406683&user=47519 ^Hapa Filter. Apparently I have like 10 posts in there weeeee. | ||
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On April 13 2013 11:06 VIVAX420 wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 13 2013 11:04 ShotgunBiceps wrote: Why no hate for CC? Because that post isn't "critical" at all, and it made me giggle uncontrollably. His play so far also has a very different tone from his scum-games. His light-heartedness seems to indicate town. As for Palmar, that's kinda what he does. I didn't go after him for it for three reasons: 1) It's non-alignment indicative of Palmar 2) Palmar's alignment is usually fairly obvious on Day 1 based on his interest level. 3) I got caught up in 4 conversations at the time. Also keep in mind that the posts of CC and Palmar are not negative or detracting of discussion. They're just troll-posts. You're making the case that yours was as well, but we've gone over that already. What's bad about going after one player? Tunneling is the nature of the business. I'd like to think I've made why I went after your post as opposed to others pretty clear just now. VE going watch the grass grow isn't detracting of discussion or not-trolly either. Is watching the grass grow a legit hobby where you come from? I don't know why you're beleaguering the point since I dropped this already. That being said, I had read into his tone (at the time) as more vitriolic rather than troll-y. On April 13 2013 11:07 InsertSmurfHere wrote: Ok Hapa, but how do you feel about DP? Even if you discount the ability to read Palmer at this point can't you attempt to read based on DP? <- not yamato Well there's nothing alignment-indicative in DP's filter either. I probably should have tunneled him, though he's on to my strategies o.O | ||
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On April 13 2013 11:13 FiveTouch wrote: Repeatedly referring to one's self as "confirmed town" without saying how or why, using it to strengthen his position, is not eyebrow-raising to you Hapa? It's Palmar. His early Day 1 mentality is to do random provocative stuff like that. | ||
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On April 13 2013 11:16 VIVAX420 wrote: You give me the same impression of yamato neglecting his defense of VE, scared of admitting mistakes. You give long explanations as to why you did what you did, I don't know if you're defensive by nature, but to me, some simple "Yeah I was tunneled, yeah it was a bad point" would look townier than what you did: trying so hard to justify something that might happen to a townie. Who me? I think I've been pretty clear that I made a mistake *shrug* As far as "trying so hard to justify myself" - that's in the nature of defending one's self. VE's asking, and therefore I try and justify it. I wouldn't bother with any of this if people weren't suspicious of me for it. | ||
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On April 13 2013 11:18 FiveTouch wrote: Like I just don't get it. 1)Why are you so willing to invent a narrative that explains MY actions from a scum perspective but you're unwilling to make a read on anyone else. Huhwhat? What do you mean unwilling? I've been pretty darn open with my reads thusfar. Hell we're on hour 2 of this game, I can't exactly go and make a read on everrrrrryone. I'd like to think I've done quite a bit in the "read-sharing" thing, even if my read on you wasn't as justified as it should have been. | ||
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On April 13 2013 11:22 VIVAX420 wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 13 2013 11:19 ShotgunBiceps wrote: Who me? I think I've been pretty clear that I made a mistake *shrug* As far as "trying so hard to justify myself" - that's in the nature of defending one's self. VE's asking, and therefore I try and justify it. I wouldn't bother with any of this if people weren't suspicious of me for it. Your first interest, if you're town, should be finding scummy stuff, not trying hard to keep a good image. I don't want you to not defend yourself, but all I've seen from you so far is that VE stuff, your defense, and some quick-to-damn shit-shoveling at my posts, and yet you don't appear interested in finding out my motives. Well ever since your "middle-finger" post, I've lost interest in you. And let's be real - I've done more than any person in this game, so don't give me the whole "all I've seen from you" thing. | ||
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On April 13 2013 11:26 VIVAX420 wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 13 2013 11:24 ShotgunBiceps wrote: Well ever since your "middle-finger" post, I've lost interest in you. And let's be real - I've done more than any person in this game, so don't give me the whole "all I've seen from you" thing. You deserved that middle finger. First you called my posts summarizing, then I argued why they weren't, then you ignored it and put something else on top. I know when I'm arguing against people who don't want to listen, for whatever reason. Oh I missed a part of that explanation. Point is I thought the middle-finger thing was genuine and townie hence I'm not interested in you right now. | ||
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On April 13 2013 11:27 FiveTouch wrote: Oh GOD contribution bloating too? Tunnel VE = doing more than everyone else. That's more dismissive of what's been happening in the thread than ANYTHING I've said in this game to date. Say what you want about the content, but I think it's pretty clear that I care about finding scum. I mean I have 60 posts (including the Hapa-filter) in 2 hours. Ugh, maybe you're right Hapa, time may be what's needed here. Like everything you're saying looks worse and worse to me, and that signals bias to me. I'll be back tomorrow with (hopefully) a new perspective. Alrighty well gnite. | ||
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I'm just going to get to Yamato's case and post some thoughts before I retire for tonight | ||
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Regarding Yamato's Case Bascically three points: 1) I buddied him 2) I'm "trying too hard" to buddy him 3) BS case on VE In order... 1) Buddying is a mischaracterization of my goals. I just tried to strike up a conversation with the first person I saw in the thread, which happened to be the geript-half of the hydra. Secondly, the logic of "buddying the hydra" doesn't really hold, since you are both separate entities. Me getting on good terms with geript does nothing to influence your opinion or view of me. And with all respect to geript, there are plenty of better players to buddy in this game if I were scum :3 2) As far as me "trying really hard" - it's silly early Day 1 talk. Though the read on gerpit at the time was genuine, since he seemed to be taking certain posts more seriously than they were intended, and seemed very earnest in doing so. Case in point: On April 13 2013 08:03 InsertSmurfHere wrote: That was a quick pronouncement... Why you think that? Why you reading them differently when they're one head? 3) The whole "case on VE" thing has been beaten to death. The basic point is that I thought VE was scummy at the time. As far as "hapa can't be this bad", I kinda do this all the time as town. If you don't believe me, DP and Prome can attest to my early Day 1 tunnels. | ||
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Still fairly null on VE, though I need a clearer head before I attempt a read on him again. Yamato/Geript are most definitely town. There are certain posts from Vivax that strike me as genuine, so a slight town-read to him. | ||
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On April 13 2013 12:19 WaveOfCheesecake wrote: I have the towniest of townreads on Hapa. I'm probably going to buddy the fuck out of you this game, so prepare for my shenanigans. Other than that, game needs more expounding on heuristics. And grass. Again >> | ||
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On April 13 2013 09:28 VIVAX420 wrote: Come on, some people didn't even post and I'm not guaranteeing for anyone but early tunnels for stupid reasons are something we don't need. Hapa attacks VE cause he thinks he said anti-town stuff, yamato attacks Hapa cause he says it's not anti-town from VE. → not-so-good reasons from both sides. But Hapa's argument could fit into a policy against anti-town play, yamato's possible motives for defending VE and keeping up the comfy tunnel..I find scummy. All I saw of relevance was Yamato defending FT and then denying that he's defending him, coupled with an early tunnel and excessive aggression. On April 13 2013 10:11 VIVAX420 wrote: [snip] Your and yamato's arguments: Not good. Your arguments against VE: Bad, not scummy. Yamato's actions: Possibly scum motivated. But I'll wait for more and especially for the non-posters to post. On April 13 2013 11:04 VIVAX420 wrote: Look at how noncommital he is when he says these things. Especially the bolded parts. Scum don't like to take definite stances on these kind things. They like to wait around in the middle of the argument until they see bandwagon forming. [snip] Either way, I think yamato's push might or might not have been genuine, but same goes for Hapa. What I dislike about Hapa is that he went over to attacking my play for reasons I dislike, but I might be biased here. [snip] Just-before-post-edit: I realise some of this doesn't stand anymore since atleast some of have quit the tunneling, but otherwise it's perfectly valid. | ||
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I made a bad case against you. Shit happens. So either you can dwell on it and spend the entire day tunneling the most active presence in the thread or you can take a deep breath and understand that I had a little derp moment. | ||
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On April 13 2013 15:54 MockArmor wrote: My prior was post presented after VE presents rather valid points on both shotgun and DP/Palmar... For DP/Palmar, definitely subpar play. Sadly, they are one of several people who have done next to nothing... 1)As for Hapa: I really didn't understand his townread on Wave (hence why I asked). His explanation wasn't very strong either. I know that Hapa's a strong town player, and find it hard to believe the guy would do something like this so haphazardly. The recent mislynch of Ace in my mind though reminds me that good players do dumb things. 2)So this is a poor reason to suspect Hapa as scum. But there's more to it than that.: But there's Scum Motivation too for this action. [b]3[/bAs scum, Hapa has Wave "buddied" to sway the vote. Wave already extended out to Hapa saying he was going to buddy him, so why not take advantage of this as scum? I know he's aware of what motivates buddying, as I recall him using buddying as a casepoint before in a past game. I'm looking forward to Hapa's defense. [b]4[/b##FoS: Shotgun That's terrrrrrible. Like of all the reasons you could have came up with from the last 10 pages of spam, that's what you come up with? The logic in this post: 1) I have a town-read you don't understand 2) ...BUT that's a "poor reason" to ssuepct me 3) HOWEVER there's the POSSIBILITY that I buddied Wave. 4) Therefore... I'm suspicious? What on earth? I mean what's there even to defend. You called one of your own reasons for finding me suspicious bad, then you say I "buddied" someone. That's a statement, and not analysis. Who's posting here? Is this GK? | ||
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On April 13 2013 16:24 MockArmor wrote: Calling a dude that buddied you town (with such weak reasoning) is a way to buddy him back in my eyes. I was hoping for some kind of elaboration, like "From all the play I've seen from wave I believe he would be too timid to make a list of names as scum." Or whatever specific meta-reason it may be (like more specific than what you've said...). With hopefully a prior game link or two to show it. Because I'm not privy to this meta-reason that you seem to be. List posts are kinda really easy to make regardless of alignment... I really don't follow how you can have decided the guy was town based off what you've presented here in thread. Well I don't think it's weak. I think it shows a light-hearted mentality that's hard to fake as scum, and it's uncannily observant for something that could be a "mafia-joke". Of course that doesn't mean that I'm going to ignore everything he says right now and treat him like auto-town, but I like the mentality behind that post. As for a meta reason, I'd kinda expect a newer scum-player (WoS hasn't played as mafia to my knowledge) to be a lot more uptight and serious. Instead he comes in joking, and that goes at odds with my expectations of his scum-play. As for "buddying," how is that at all a heuristic for catching scum? I talk to newbies about not making reads based on that kinda stuff, and I see you doing it. So who is posting here? GK? | ||
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On April 13 2013 18:03 SamuelLJackson wrote: It feels like marv is genuinely incredulous at the fact hapa is making some of the accusations and both of them have posted some content. Nothing seems to stand out so far so I don't think they are a priority at all right now. Who do you think is the priority right now? | ||
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This is the second really questionable read you're using this game. The first being a buddying read that you justified as legitimate since I used it once in a game I played almost a year ago (and my 2nd normal game to boot). | ||
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On April 14 2013 00:20 raynmaster wrote: Town Hapa isnt stupid hapa. Push on VE off a JOKE was so fucking dumb its scummy. You see in Newbie 30~, my scum partner did the same thing, pushed a dude off a joke. Also happened other times that I recall but not all that well. The worse part is that Hapa KNOWS VE, and for him to push it, yeah thats bad. Hydra names in sig please, brain not enough capacity to remember. Stop repeating talking points. Firstly, I didn't think the post by VE was a joke at the time, hence me pushing him off of it. Secondly, I don't know VE very well, and I'm generally pretty terrible at reading him. I've played 2 games with him, both of which he was scum and both of which I had gut-town reads on him for the first few days. Also if I'm "scummy as fuck" or whatever, where's your vote? Where's your push? All I see is you tryign to justify that I'm scummy to my partner instead of going anywhere with it. | ||
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At first thought, Balrog seems ideal. I don't know about Drazerk is an eternal quagmire to me, but we've gotten almost nothing from the SnB half of the hydra, and that's very rare for a town SnB. Either way there are two other mafia even if I'm right, so gotta find those. | ||
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##Vote FondleMyButtox Was about to post that he's been pretty useless, and a useless Prome has a high chance of flipping red. | ||
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On April 15 2013 03:14 John Matrix wrote: This is a misrepresentation of snb's townplay. He is usually lurky and useless on dag 1 in my experience. In the more recent town games I've played with him, he's been fairly spammy early on. Certainly useless, but more active. | ||
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I also am trying to figure out how he went from this: I don't think FT is scummy anymore. I read Hydra 1 and this game VE posts and VE was quite different in that game from what i can tell. Oats is saying the same thing. I can't be around @ the deadline, i consider NSB / FMB / VIVAX420 the scummiest atm. Vivax only because i can't understand much they are saying. Oats gotta decide who we gonna lynch. To this... ##Vote: ShotgunBiceps For going after VE (which in itself is not scummy) and later on backing off from the read with a response that "the case was half-forced in the first place" when people find this suspicious. ... in the course of an hour. Either way, I do want to lynch FMB today unless they start posting more. Not as sure on Reyn. | ||
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On April 15 2013 03:19 FiveTouch wrote: Here's my main issue with FMB, and I get that some of you may call me silly. Seems like the trend of the thread, as far as I'm aware, has been meandering along towards an FMB lynch for some time. If he's mafia, is he really that far gone that the other mafia haven't tried to significantly push an alternate lynch? Seems like we're just gonna lynch FMB and that's that, no real questions asked. syllo, what do you make of this? If I remember correctly you're usually pretty aware of these things. Palmar too. ~marv Fairly valid concerns, however the fact remains that Prome's play has been incredibly lacking, and that lines up pretty darn well with his scum mentality. I find it hard to believe that town-Prome would awol the thread like this. If I remember correctly, he was quite busy in Dessert Mini (as town) and really made attempts to go out of his way to be active. On Day 1, I think thread atmosphere and flow can be fairly fickle, and I'd rather resort to lynching objectively scummy players. For example, the scum-team could be lurking or just bad at deflecting attention off of their buddy. And given the most recent votecount (with votes spread amongst 5 players), I don't see this as much of a concern anywho. | ||
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On April 15 2013 03:40 InsertSmurfHere wrote: For the record, I would rather flip Syllo today, but even Palmar doesn't want to do that and he's the only other one that seems to think Syllo could be mafia. I think Syllo is fine for now. Sure it's worrisome in a sense that he's going after "a lurker," however the reasoning is valid and I agree with the lynch. He's probably best left until tomorrow. | ||
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On April 15 2013 02:54 VIVAX420 wrote: nvm about WoC I guess lol...just read his filter doesn't seem as scummy today kush Kush can you explain this a bit more? You were all up in WoC yesterday and you dropped your vote without providing the details. | ||
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On April 15 2013 03:58 VIVAX420 wrote: yeah I will pretty much lynch anyone today LOL (rayn, fmb, balrog) d1 what can you do. Rayn is an actual scumread but he's not getting lynched so FMB and Balrog are lurkers so they can be lynched too. Balrog is more lurkery of the two, fmb is more scummy of the two. Well that's not a satisfying response and it bears an eerie resemblance to your Day 1 antics as scum in Witchcraft Mini (you generally not caring about who died). And I changed my mind about WoC. Yesterday he seemed scummy how he couldn't do anything but shit it up with MA, but after actually reading through his filter he didn't seem as bad. kush Why did he not seem as bad? What specifically changed? | ||
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Reyn joined a late wagon that had virtually no chance of succeeding, and while I'm trying not to OMGUS, his case really seems like a scum-case. Firstly, before he posted that case, he expressed strong interest in lynching three other people: I don't think FT is scummy anymore. I read Hydra 1 and this game VE posts and VE was quite different in that game from what i can tell. Oats is saying the same thing. I can't be around @ the deadline, i consider NSB / FMB / VIVAX420 the scummiest atm. Vivax only because i can't understand much they are saying. Oats gotta decide who we gonna lynch. Then after which, the crux of his cherry picks one of jampi's quotes and overplays it a ton: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406683¤tpage=42#840 | ||
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On April 15 2013 04:10 FiveTouch wrote: There's no real reason that he should gun (geddit) for you in that situation when he could easily make some case or vote on any of the guys he mentioned, don't you think? ~marv You seem to think it's an "unnecessary" play for scum, but I'm more reading it as he doesn't care who dies. I'm more interested in the attitude thing though - am I just remembering it wrong, or is what I pointed out about his attitude (brash as scum in newbie, more wishy-washy as town in RTP) true? | ||
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On April 15 2013 04:17 FiveTouch wrote: I think his case has merit and if I didn't get feelings of "hapa's posting doesn't feel bad" then I'd agree with it myself. The points are reasonable. And again, I don't know why he'd make a case on you rather than an 'easy' target that he'd already mentioned. What's the point? The objective would be disassociating yourself from all the main wagons. The most recent vote-count seems like one of those counts where a townie is getting mislynched by all townies, and scum are entirely spread on alternative wagons. His present vote seems a lot like that. Soft-push all the main wagons in the thread, then plop your vote down somewhere useless. So yeah I'm starting to have misgivings about FMB. But dammit Prome be all lurky. | ||
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As for the SnB thing, I've noticed that too, but it's a tad against the rules to discuss out-of-game activity in this thread. | ||
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On April 15 2013 04:29 Dandel Ion wrote: Votecount: WaveofCheesecake (1): MockArmor Raynmaster (1): Vivax420 Vivax420 (1): FondleMyButtocks ShotgunBiceps (1): Raynmaster FondleMyButtocks (6): SamuelLJackson, ShotgunBiceps, John Matrix, FiveTouch, InsertSmurfHere, WaveofCheesecake Modkill Zone (1): NeutralSrvivngBalrog Please message me if I made a mistake. 6 Votes needed for a lynch. FondleMyButtocks currently set for lynch. ~3 1/2 hours until deadline. Or 2 1/2... I am investigating this matter currently! Probably 2 1/2, but awaiting confirmation. Let's roll with "2 1/2" in the meantime, yolo. Generally in this situation, you see scum dissasociating themselves on other wagons. FMB is included in that group of course, but he's the one getting lynched right now. NSB is a wild-card for me. | ||
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On April 15 2013 04:54 FiveTouch wrote: Hapa, there's almost always at least one scum on the main wagon, regardless of the main wagon's alignment. ~marv This is true, however that one's usually the hardest to catch. The stragglers are generally a bit more obvious. | ||
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On April 15 2013 04:56 InsertSmurfHere wrote: I'd be inclined to lynch WoC, and I think geript agrees. His "consolidation" post on Prom is hilariously weak. I'd expect scum to add more window-dressing to a consolidation post than "eh sorry not active I'll just sheep thread sentiment" | ||
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On April 15 2013 05:00 InsertSmurfHere wrote: I'd expect town to give more of a fuck about who they were lynching. That post seems written by a busy townie than a lazy scum. Though by your heuristic (not giving a fuck about who dies), I'd prefer to lynch Vivax/Kush or Rayn. Both of them are exhibiting the same behavior. | ||
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On April 15 2013 05:19 VIVAX420 wrote: samjackson is voting for FMB even tho he admitted it's a mislynch wtf Stop taking random comments out of context. I have it in my mind to lynch you on the spot, because you don't give a shit about who's going to get lynched today. | ||
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On April 15 2013 05:19 InsertSmurfHere wrote: No. I clearly showed how he's acting differently and posting differently from his normal town self. On top of that, he's not following any normal town thought processes (think scum -> pressure -> vote). Instead it's (think scum -> mindlessly argue -> flail). That's kinda how town-CC plays =/ | ||
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On April 15 2013 05:25 VIVAX420 wrote: i give a shit it's just that there are a bunch of people who could easily be scum. Except because of the votes it is now very unlikely that one of those people is FMB. Yet people are still voting for him... You do? On April 15 2013 02:35 VIVAX420 wrote: LOL rayne voting hapa for doing what he does in the beginning of every single game?? ok shotgun Terrible and unrealistic lynch. I want to lynch Raynemaster or WoC On April 15 2013 03:14 VIVAX420 wrote: I'd lynch Neutralsurvivingbalrog. Mostly a policy lynch but I'd do it. kush On April 15 2013 03:31 VIVAX420 wrote: FMB lynch gets the kush seal of approval. I will vote it if rayn isn't happening. kush On April 15 2013 05:19 VIVAX420 wrote: samjackson is voting for FMB even tho he admitted it's a mislynch wtf You pretty much want to lynch everrrrrryone. Except for WoC, who you said "looked townie on yoru recent readthrough", but never explained why that was the case. | ||
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On April 15 2013 05:31 InsertSmurfHere wrote: My point is that much of their filter IMO isn't CC but WoS. Not all of it granted, but WoS is acting differently. Even how he responds to pressure has been different. In the Game he became far, FAR more involved after cases were levied against him. In Hydra, once he was on the chopping block he started trying to actively push someone else because he was both blue and town. This game, I don't get that. I don't see him actually trying to get MA lynched at all. Even if you say that's because he's busy, then look at his meta case... would you ever think that's effective at pushing agenda? Honestly? That's not a weak case from a weak player; that's just a bad case. It has 1 good point in the middle of it which gets the least time and he spends most of that time deciding whether or not to even post his thoughts. NOT TOWNY. WoS is SCUM Hydra 1 was a fairly different situation no? Like he was the leading lynch candidate, and not a fringe one. Anyway I'll read his filter again. I still think his FMB vote was very genuine. | ||
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On April 15 2013 05:36 VIVAX420 wrote: Also I don't need reasons for not suspecting WoC. I read his filter. His filter seems like town wrote it. That's all the reasons I have. Yeah but what in his filter holycrap | ||
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I read his filter again, and I'm still not feeling it. Even if the WoS half is different (more joking), it feels like he's putting in the effort, and the CC half feels townie. Furthermore, if they were scum, why would htey have WoS doing the heavy lifting, when CC is far and away the better scum-player? Anyway I'm leaning towards lynching Rayn or VIVAX right now. When I read through Vivax's half, I dont' really see why I considered him all that townie in the first place. Rayn is scummy for what I mentioned previously. | ||
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On April 15 2013 06:03 VIVAX420 wrote: dear hapa you cant read me for shit love kush You'll notice that I'm not voting you right now, because I have quite a lot of doubts. You can make this much easier for me by posting your reads and coherent thoughts. Please do that. | ||
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##Vote Raynmasta Their filter is comprised of three things: 1) Saying "EVERYONE IS SCUMMY" 2) Defending themselves 3) "Tunneling" myself far beyond when it was fashionable. In particular, I think this quote is damning: On April 15 2013 00:59 raynmaster wrote: I can't question marv about things VE said, and that was the only thing i wanted to question them about. I don't think you should not answer questions from people you think are scummy, but if you think so there's nothing i can do about it. I just explained marv what i thought at that time when he asked me about it. Had it been VE questioning me i would have acted differently. I don't think FT is scummy anymore. I read Hydra 1 and this game VE posts and VE was quite different in that game from what i can tell. Oats is saying the same thing. I can't be around @ the deadline, i consider NSB / FMB / VIVAX420 the scummiest atm. Vivax only because i can't understand much they are saying. Oats gotta decide who we gonna lynch. Where did these reads come from? He spends most of his filter talking about Mock, Matrix, and myself. Really his only scumhunting contribution is jumping onto my wagon and placing his vote on me when it's clear that it would be wasted. | ||
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You mean you find him town only because his case on me was "unnecessary?" Is that it? | ||
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On April 15 2013 03:38 SamuelLJackson wrote: If drazerk/snb are mafia, why did drazerk show up, make a few nonsensical posts and disappear? He doesn't seem to give a shit about his survival, which seems about what I would expect from him as town. On April 15 2013 05:42 SamuelLJackson wrote: I could get behind vivax420/nsb/FMB, who looks actually like a good wagon if vivax is scum. I'm not feeling the woc. "SnB Draz are totally town." "But I could totally get behind that lynch. " | ||
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Anyway I'd rather give syllo the chance to speak up just in case he's indeed busy with RL. Though it'll be hard to excuse his behavior around the deadline. | ||
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On April 15 2013 07:06 VIVAX420 wrote: dude i wanted to lynch rayne since i woke up this morning. the rest of you noobs just figured it out like 5 minutes ago And what is the secret town tell on me?? I dont even know Admittedly you love bussing your teammates as scum. But yeah you're probably town anywho. | ||
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On April 15 2013 07:08 John Matrix wrote: Read my case and prolonged push. I am taking the credit buddy  You voted him as I was typing my post =( But yeah you were on him for quite a while. Two correct D1 lynches in a row - good going DP | ||
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On April 15 2013 07:18 FiveTouch wrote: What do you think of Duke claiming and directing his nuke TOMORROW, forcing scum to shoot him? Like, reverse-medic protection. LOL I'm mostly joking but this might really be a good idea. Well what we should do is have Duke Nukem submit the nuke by PM and claim the nuke tomorrow... ONLY if that person isn't blatantly obvious town to the thread. | ||
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Oh well. Nuke syllo 100%. Though wait as long as you can before doing so (12 hour deadline). NSB is firmly null for me. | ||
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On April 15 2013 07:34 InsertSmurfHere wrote: Well, who do you think we can lynch better tomorrow, NSB or Syllo? I kind of like using it as a vig shot; aim it at trash. That doesn't matter. Nuke Syllo because he's scum. It has nothing to do with Palmar's read - Syllo was making a show about reading filters and coming up with an alternative lynch target and never did so. This was his best effort: On April 15 2013 05:42 SamuelLJackson wrote: I could get behind vivax420/nsb/FMB, who looks actually like a good wagon if vivax is scum. I'm not feeling the woc. Combine that with his general apathy for playing this game and you have yourself a scum-team member. | ||
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My best guess is Mock. Spends a ton of time talking about Reyn on Day 1, and does nothing to follow it up or vote him. | ||
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On April 15 2013 07:55 John Matrix wrote: WTF? Mock is like 90% town He was tunneled all day long by raynmaster. Oh lol forgot about that. Well anyway Tunneling itself doesn't matter. Only committal suspicion is allignment indicative. | ||
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On April 15 2013 07:59 John Matrix wrote: Rayn spent MOST of day one trying to sling shit at mock and you think that doesn't make him likely to be town.? You think oats and rayn would bus all day one? From like the start of the game onwards? 0_o I've seen that happen many times. I was in a scum-team with Jay and Xatalos, and they literally flung shit at each other for DAYS. The important thing was that they never actually committed to lynching each other. So yes I think it's very possible. Because other than that, there's nothing to really suggest that Mock is town. | ||
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CC gives Hapa the towniest of townreads with no reasoning to back it up, but still suspects MockArmour for changing his read on Hapa to town. If you really thought Hapa was town, wouldn't it be only natural that others would come to the same conculsion? I can't see a townie seriously thinking that Hapa is the towniest of towns while suspecting others for giving a townread on Hapa. Their opinion on raynmaster is a weird one. It starts with CC declaring that rayn is scummier than MA, stating that he'll tell later why. He tells us only after the lynch why he thought rayn was scummy, with just a couple of lines he could have dumped in the thread at any time really. CC votes rayn stating that he is sheeping, why is it sheeping if have a scumread on the dude? Why didn't he just say that he had had a scumread on rayn and votes acording to it? Seems odd. Waves stance on rayn is also a odd one. To start with, he doesn't find rayn scummy in the slightest even though he knows that rayn isn't in CC list of townreads. Wave says several times that he and CC haven't discussed rayn. Yet instead of trying to tell CC that rayn is town, atleast when he last read him, he trusts CC and votes rayn. Seems odd that he abandoned his townread on rayn and trusted CC, even when CC didn't tell him, what made rayn scum. If you had a townread on someone, and your mason partner (hydra equivalent) told you that someone was actually a scumread of his without providing reasonings, would you believe him? I don't think so. WoC contributions can summed up as: tunneled MockArmour and defended himself. Aside from some minor points on whomever WoC suspected, thats it. Not very much. All of this make me think WoC is scum. | ||
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On April 16 2013 03:57 John Matrix wrote: syllo if you flip town I'm going to yell at you a lot Why do you suddenly think he'll flip town? | ||
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InsertSmurfHere – Duh JohnMatrix – Double Duh FondleMyButtocks – Should be reasonably clear that the FMB wagon was a mislynch wagon based on how many people were soft-pushing him and how the votes panned out. MockArmor – Two things: 1) Their defense last night was very townie. The whole “fuck you I am confirmed town” defense seems incredibly difficult to pull off genuinely as scum. 2) Raynmaster’s actions strongly suggest he’s town. He got into a shitfight with him, then 180’d his read calling MockArmor town. That doesn’t seem natural for Rayn to do with a person who he knows is guilty (i.e. they’re probably not scumbuddies). Paranoid-of-these-guys-but-shouldn’t-be-lynched-tomorrow: FiveTouch – The obvious point is that he was pushing mafia-objectives on Day 1. He was shutting down discussion on Raynmaster and lightly resisting the lynch until the very end of the day (when VE suddenly voiced his support). However I would need to have a better idea of NSB’s alignment to really pin down his actions. Marv’s major lynch push was NSB. Obviously if NSB is scum, he looks better. If NSB is town, this looks an awful lot like a cop-out from doing any actual scumhunting at the end of the day. Should be considered for lynch tomorrow: VIVAX420 – I’m actually fairly worried about him. Vivax hasn’t done very much, and Kush’s half (despite being suspicious of Rayn early on) bears an eerie resemblance to his scum-game in Witchcraft Mini Mafia. I think Yamato’s description of Kush’s play was fairly accurate: On April 16 2013 01:10 InsertSmurfHere wrote: According to Yamato, Kush is a massive troll and only ever busses as scum. So if he calls someone mafia that flips town, he's probably town. As odd as it sounds, the fact that Kush didn't like Rayn bothers me. I'll reread again later. Kush has a very difficult time coming up with original content when he’s scum, so his play revolves around doing stuff he knows is correct: attacking teammates and defending townies. This is basically what he did in Witchcraft Mini as scum – he showed a general lynch apathy on Day 1 between a bunch of lurkers, then started bussing his teammates on Day 2 and beyond. In addition, he had a few oddly timed town-reads that he hard a hard time articulating. Also the Vivax half hasn’t been all that townie. There’s just very little content or analysis out of either of them. They state opinions, but often have scant rationale for them. Am I convinced they’re scum? Not at all. However I believe they deserve a careful look tomorrow. WaveOfCheesecake – I’ll preface this by saying that my gut-read is that they’re town. I’ve been generally disappointed by their effort, but CC’s play seems very similar to his town-game in British Mini II. He seems a lot less concerned about his image in this game, and in his scum games, he definitely tries to make a show of looking townie by being active/spammy. That being said, he should be considered for lynch, since I really need to hear more from him in order to get a better read on him. NutralSurvivingBalrog – Should be lynched for being useless as fuck. | ||
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After he votes FMB, he beings to share sentiment arising in the town that the vote-count looks a ton like a mislynch: On April 15 2013 04:48 SamuelLJackson wrote: This vote count looks suspiciously like a townie lynch. One wagon and 4 votes spread around? Marvel, since you are here, are any other options viable today in your opinion? I could use some leads on who i should spend my time on. Then he makes a show about wanting to carefully consider other options: On April 15 2013 05:30 SamuelLJackson wrote: @vivax420 I took a quick peek at your filter and it seems you both agree on the FMB lynch, are voting for someone else and now you are pressuring me to move my vote away from him instantly when I'm considering other options? On April 15 2013 05:42 SamuelLJackson wrote: I could get behind vivax420/nsb/FMB, who looks actually like a good wagon if vivax is scum. I'm not feeling the woc. While he did say he was going to bed in 30 minutes or whatever, I find it hard to believe that he disappeared in the middle of his deliberations on finding an alternative lynch. He apparently decided not to care, leave his vote on a guy he had misgivings about, and go to bed. It's hard for me to rationalize that from town-Syllo. | ||
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On April 16 2013 04:39 SamuelLJackson wrote: Those are all Sandro, I left over an hour earlier So Sandro decided to fuck off and not do anything. That doesn't exactly look good. Anyway are you going to provide us with your own reads or not? Whining about it isn't going to get you un-nuked. | ||
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And if I was the anti-nuker, I'd be certainly "daft" enough to let it land, because you've spent the majority of the last day whining about your situation as opposed to scum-hunting. In fact the only scum-hunting you've actually done is tell is to sheep Palmar. Really? | ||
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So I'm left with a situation where one of the best town players on TL has given us nothing of substance the entire night cycle. The simple answer is that you're scum, and it will continue to be so unless you decide to show us that you're town by doing some work. | ||
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On April 16 2013 05:02 VIVAX420 wrote: For the case that SLJ flips town, I'd be interested into hearing NSB's and WoC's opinions on my alignment. Wouldn't surprise me if they started pushing my lynch. It's not like you're a beacon of townieness. Who do you think is scum? There's very little that's definitive and clear on that subject in your filter. | ||
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On April 16 2013 05:03 WaveOfCheesecake wrote: Nah Vivax you good. So is NSB your only scum-read? =/ | ||
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On April 16 2013 05:06 WaveOfCheesecake wrote: NSB is MY only scumread, which we agree on I believe. I don't want to out CC too much because once again I can't back up his ideas right now. Why is Vivax "good"? Howabout MockArmor and FT? | ||
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On April 16 2013 05:13 NeutralSrvivngBalrog wrote: So I've not spoken to my other head once and the subscribed thread thing had 400 unread messages so I can only presume SnB is dead. You guys lynched a scum. Good. Now lynch the useless lurker tomorrow and don't screw up if it reaches Lylo I've put nothing into this game because I thought SnB could deal with it until I got back and for that I'm sorry and my play has been abysmal. The best thing I can do right now for town is be lynched and we all know it. Well you'll have 48 hours tomorrow to fix the whole "lurker" thing. Will you have time to play? If not, get a replacement. | ||
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On April 16 2013 05:14 WaveOfCheesecake wrote: ... I absolutely hate kush's posting but they were right about Rayn pretty early, and Vivax's posting has been good. Town - I'm fairly sure CC and I agree on that front. What about Vivax's posting has been good? Also what do you think about my comments on Kush (in that he busses his teammates relentlessly as scum)? I'm leaving my thoughts on FT close to the chest right now partially because I can't afford to get into an argument with marv right now. I scurred of him. This is not an argument with marv. It's a conversation with me. | ||
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On April 16 2013 05:15 NeutralSrvivngBalrog wrote: I can play but I won't have another head Meh I can play but I'd still rather by lynched off since I have less connections that should have been built up over day 1 Who the fuck cares if you don't have another head? Why the fuck do you want to get "mislynched"? | ||
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On April 16 2013 05:47 VIVAX420 wrote: marv actually convinced me the fondle lynch was terrible. he prevented me from sheeping that when it looked like rayne was going no where. So his actions definitely did serve a town purpose. also hapa lol. your metaread is so one dimensional. kush Well the only reason in your filter that suggests you are town is that you were on Rayn early on. However you didn't push him at all, and only sheeped the wagon when it was in full force. On behavior, I don't have anything to suggest that you are town at all. I've seen a great deal of lynch-apathy on Day 1 and mysterious reads that pop out of nowhere. Anywho what are your reads Kush? Still no mentions of who you want to lynch. | ||
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On April 16 2013 06:02 VIVAX420 wrote: ... Shotgun, FT and NSB are those I'll be looking at closely. Not so much to look at with SNB looks like he's just going to martyr at this stage already, I'm not buying that behaviour from a town perspective so that makes him look scummier imo. Would expect scum to be demoralized after that lynch, and he can't try too hard anyway all of sudden cause it would look too inconsistent with his lurky and kinda useless D1 play, and I don't believe he would act all emo as town when we just got a scum lynched. Likely scum. -V You've been saying this since yesterday and still haven't drawn any conclusions from it. Getting reads out of either of you is like pulling teeth. | ||
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On April 16 2013 06:06 VIVAX420 wrote: Those are my reads of people I could see as being scum. Will post reasons when I feel arsed to, maybe I don't even have to if town doesn't need me to dig up information to find the scum. No, that's a statement. "Reads" implies thought-process and analysis. | ||
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On April 16 2013 06:07 VIVAX420 wrote: I remember it like this: Lynch Vivax, lynch Vivax, lynch Vivax Well clearly you didn't read my filter then. I was between you and Rayn in the hours leading up to the lynch. I was also the 2nd vote on Rayn, and only because DP sniped my vote-post while I was typing it. On April 16 2013 06:08 VIVAX420 wrote: hapa I want to lynch woc. I made that very clear except vivax disagrees so maybe that is where your confusion is coming from ksuh Ok, why is WoC scum? Let's start with a case. I'll admit I do see a few one-lined statements in your filter suggesting he's scum, but no analysis. | ||
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On April 15 2013 03:51 WaveOfCheesecake wrote: Hey guys. I'm attempting to catch up with the thread here but I'm casting in 10 minutes so I may not make it back in time for deadline if it goes 3 games. For now, going to follow thread sentiment and vote FMB. I'm sorry I can't give much more than this atm, hopefully he flips red. At the very least CC and I at least discussed him a little;' I know I personally thought his argument about how MA wasn't pushing a scum agenda was kinda stupid (it's somewhere back in my filter I think). If I get back with enough time before deadline I'll read into it more critically but this is it for now. ##Vote: FondleMyButtocks It's a completely unjustified "sorry for not being active, I'll sheep thread sentiment" vote. Every single time I see a vote like this, it's from a townie. Never fail. It's just not scum-mentality to be so blunt about your intentions. Scum will try to play nice and "mask" a lazy vote with some trimmings. However when you see an absurdly sloppy, blunt sheep vote like this so close to the deadline, it's almost certainly town. | ||
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On April 16 2013 06:15 FiveTouch wrote: Can we talk about why NSB is still being allowed to fly under the radar? It's because he's not here. He's my top lynch candidate for tomorrow, but there's no sense in talking about him if the rationale for voting him is mind-numbingly obvious (useless lurker). I'd rather spend my time figuring out the allignments of people that are posting. | ||
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On April 16 2013 06:13 VIVAX420 wrote: Bleh, Hapa did really make a very early case against Rayn -.-. Right after I said he scum, second in the row. Well stop pushing us then, you're wasting our energy, we are town. On April 16 2013 06:16 VIVAX420 wrote: ya I'm not making a case for you hapa when other people have already made a bunch of good cases. stop being the scumhunt police kush Honestly at this point I'm just tying up loose ends and making sure I'm comfortable with NSB hanging tomorrow. That involves establishing your alignment very clearly today. In all seriousness I have a gut-town read on the both of you, but I don't have enough information out of either of you to verify it. | ||
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On April 16 2013 06:20 InsertSmurfHere wrote: Honestly I feel like either Palmar/DP or Me/Yamato are dying tonight. I'm not quite sure why I think that but I do. I'm going to recommend putting pressure towards Vivax/WoC. I think only one of them is scum but I'm not sure which one honestly. Please take a hard look at Prome/BH/phagga again tomorrow as the more I've read the more I almost get the feeling like we jumped from scum to scum. Really? Given Rayn's voting actions and the vote-pattern as a whole, I find that really hard to believe. I find it really hard to believe that Rayn would plop his vote down on a player with no chance of getting lynched while soft-pushing the FMB lynch if FMB was scum. BH not posting is annoying, but the D1 vote works overwhelmingly in their favor. | ||
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On April 16 2013 06:19 FiveTouch wrote: Blargh I want syllo/sandro flip before I try and do anything though because I'm automatically building association cases and I hate doing that X( So don't build association cases. There are plenty of ways to scum-hunt before seeing Syllo flip. WoC and Vivax are around, and I'm annoyed you're not showing more initiative in trying to figure out their alignments, especially given that you're not very sure about either of them. | ||
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I'm pretty sure Vivax is town, myself - Palmar's tell is decent and if he did that as scum that's some next-level shit. You're engaging with Cheese and I can look at his responses, and right now my read of you is in flux too so that factors in. What's there to "flux" about? Read how the Rayn bandwagon went down, starting on page 51. Hell even hours before that I was talking to marv about potentially lynching Rayn. How is it that people haven't re-read the most pivotal moment of Day 1 is beyond me. [Quote]Get annoyed all you want, but I'm scumhunting whether you see it or not.[/QUOTE] Then post shit =/ How am I supposed to know what you're doing if you keep it to yourself? | ||
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On April 16 2013 06:32 FiveTouch wrote: I'm pretty sure Vivax is town, myself - Palmar's tell is decent and if he did that as scum that's some next-level shit. You're engaging with Cheese and I can look at his responses, and right now my read of you is in flux too so that factors in. What's there to "flux" about? Read how the Rayn bandwagon went down, starting on page 51. Hell even hours before that I was talking to marv about potentially lynching Rayn. How is it that people haven't re-read the most pivotal moment of Day 1 is beyond me. Get annoyed all you want, but I'm scumhunting whether you see it or not. Then post shit =/ How am I supposed to know what you're doing if you keep it to yourself? | ||
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On April 16 2013 07:12 FiveTouch wrote: Ugh don't say scummy shit right when I start to think you're town HAPA! FUCK! Well that's the plain and simple truth of it. No one is lynching NSB because they're scum. If they say so, they're lying. We're lynching them because they're an unreadable anti-town lurker. I'm at a point where I have enough reasons to think everyone else is town to just lynch NSB. If NSB decides to start playing and posting, then I'm willing to listen and adjust my reads accordingly. He's shown the intention to do the exact opposite, therefore we hang NSB since we'll end up lynching him at some point down the road anyway | ||
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MockArmor, WoC, and Vivax should all be talked about to some degree. And FMB if for whatever reason BH decides to never post in this game. | ||
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##Vote NSB | ||
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Again, any intention to start playing? | ||
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On April 16 2013 07:49 NeutralSrvivngBalrog wrote: When the flood control goes away Clearly the flood control is already gone. Who do you want to lynch? | ||
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On April 16 2013 08:26 NeutralSrvivngBalrog wrote: Trust me if I were scum I'd just PM the hosts and end it Ok so why are you not playing the game? If you don't want to play, why are you not requesting a replacement? | ||
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On April 16 2013 08:29 NeutralSrvivngBalrog wrote: We are playing we're just waiting too long and not moving of us as a topic... Ok then create a topic. Who do you want to lynch? What are your reads? Who do you think is scum? We've asked you multiple times. | ||
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On April 16 2013 10:31 Dandel Ion wrote: I was hoping for hilarious nuclear fallouts on day 1  Give 3 people a nuke, all of them too boring/scared to use them. T.T Do it in a newbie game and you might get better results | ||
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