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On April 13 2013 07:53 FiveTouch wrote: Bitch please. We're gonna be lynched D2 because scum are going to leave us alive N1 regardless of the fact that we're gonna eviscerate scum D1, but it's cool because the second scum will be right behind us. you scared of dying? | ||
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wait theres only one of you? + Show Spoiler + I'm off to work. I'll not just post in quotes when I get back. I can't way much about anything but asskicking with these | ||
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On April 13 2013 10:16 Hapahauli wrote: Well I beat you to Kush (pretty sure vivax hasn't posted yet). He felt very uninvolved in the conversation and posting out of obligation rather than anything. As far as my own "obligatory" post, think of them as my notes. I'm just parsing through what just happened and drawing conclusions (even if obvious). Out of that whole thing, the two people that catch my eye the most are the Kush/Vivax hydra and the Prome/Phagga hydra. The Prome one because his early-game seemed a bit off. Early-D1 trolling caveats and whatnot, but some of the questions he asks are literally pointless and seem like he's posting for the sake of posting: Him excusing himself to work also seems unnecessary and like he's very conscious about his own image/absence. bro, I always do that bro. You know this. Also "wait theres only one of you?" was the best DN quote for this game and I never thought I would get a chance to use it. Duke Nukem Hydra game requires that quote. On April 13 2013 16:15 FiveTouch wrote: And I'm gonna go on the record and say I'm a little salty we didn't get more Prom tonight. Sorry man I was at work. Ask Oats, he stalks me. He knows when i work. I'm here now though its 8:30 in the morning for me and I've been up for a while now. You can go fondle my buttocks. On April 13 2013 17:14 ShotgunBiceps wrote: After spending an hour skimming Vivax filter's in Personality 2 and Mafia LIX, I agree on Yamatos point. He does kinda have the habbit of jumping into tunnel based on one thing. I can see a town Vivax trying to get rid of this habbit and thus doubting his reads. I would like to add to this. Vivax has recently been working on improving his town play and making himself less of an insanity. Look at his Ghor smurf where he very clearly tried (and succeeded) to become a reasonable player. On April 13 2013 12:03 ShotgunBiceps wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406683¤tpage=15#299 Regarding Yamato's Case Bascically three points: 1) I buddied him 2) I'm "trying too hard" to buddy him 3) BS case on VE In order... 1) Buddying is a mischaracterization of my goals. I just tried to strike up a conversation with the first person I saw in the thread, which happened to be the geript-half of the hydra. Secondly, the logic of "buddying the hydra" doesn't really hold, since you are both separate entities. Me getting on good terms with geript does nothing to influence your opinion or view of me. And with all respect to geript, there are plenty of better players to buddy in this game if I were scum :3 2) As far as me "trying really hard" - it's silly early Day 1 talk. Though the read on gerpit at the time was genuine, since he seemed to be taking certain posts more seriously than they were intended, and seemed very earnest in doing so. Case in point: 3) The whole "case on VE" thing has been beaten to death. The basic point is that I thought VE was scummy at the time. As far as "hapa can't be this bad", I kinda do this all the time as town. If you don't believe me, DP and Prome can attest to my early Day 1 tunnels. Attesting brother! ========================================================================================= Okay, that was the things I wanted to reply to. For now I have a few decent town reads. And some early suspicions. And a plan. ATTENTION TOWN this is the plan. We get everyone with a nuke to claim that they have it. "Why would we do that?" I hear you ask. We would do it to ensure that scum with a nuke (which based on the balance for this game is almost assured to exist) must claim it today if he wants to use it. On top of that NO ONE SHOULD FIRE A NUKE EVER! we have three mislynches in this set-up and I'm confident in our powers of intuition. Our scum hunting AS A UNIT is good enough to catch all the scum. We don't want any single player being a fool and ruining this town with their power role and we want to force all scum to not use their kp powers. So, in conclusion we should 1) force everyone with a nuke to claim and 2) policy lynch anyone who uses a nuke ========================================================================================= besides those things I'm talking to Phagga right now. I'll publish either a case or at least the target of our case when we are done chatting. | ||
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On April 13 2013 20:36 FiveTouch wrote: Glad to see VE is throwing around votes in my absence. I'm not really sure what the vote on John Matrix is doing, Palmar in particular will (hopefully) contribute given time, and when he does I think I'll be able to read him. Mostly I'm hoping DP isn't gonna go "lol i'm with palmar i do what i like", because I get that sense a bit. Friendly prod, dear. I went from mafia to silly-town on Hapa over the course of some posts last night, Hapa seemed to get a bit more reasonable even if my better half continued to provoke him a little, so we'll see where he goes from here. VE was right earlier in the day about Prome, his joke posts were tryhard and I don't understand at all what point he's trying to get at here. If we are indeed mafia, what kind of magical response is he expecting to elicit that will help confirm/deny this read? Anyways, I could kill him for now. ##Unvote ##Vote: FondleMyButtocks ~marv Just for the sake of clarity, that question was mine, and so was this one: On April 13 2013 07:47 FondleMyButtocks wrote: so many towns in this game, I wonder where scum is? -phagga | ||
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On April 13 2013 20:50 VIVAX420 wrote: I disagreed with kush on the mod thing confirming JM as town initially. But I've also thought a little about it and came to the conclusion that a host wouldn't show so obviously that it was a fakeclaim, if the launcher was mafia. It's very hypothetical but I can also see where he comes from with that explanation. My explanation to hapa when we were talking about it: "here is why: if a scum says shit in thread host assumes its a plan/trap/whatever if host confirms it as fake they know it is a joke because it comes from a townie" | ||
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On April 13 2013 20:55 Promethelax wrote: err...herp derp to Phagga not Hapa. flooooooooood control. fuck. I'll filter this in later | ||
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basically what Dan did as a host is pretty unacceptable.His joking around with someone's fake nuke gives us mod confirmed information on it. Its like in lviii when VE was told not to rage by Kurumi, you know the host knows that the player is really raging because the player is town or, in this case, the player is joking because they are town. | ||
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I'd like to focus on our friends Oats and Vivax (and their partners) The Oats/Ray thing is obvious they were here, they said nothing, they left. Its 9pm for oats right now, he is usually super active around now (though he isn't on skype so I guess he is straight up not online) and they do have three more hours left from On April 13 2013 14:10 raynmaster wrote: Not enough nukes. see ya in like 10 more hours. but as for now I have them on the scummy side Kushix On April 13 2013 08:40 VIVAX420 wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote MockArmor Almost forgot that the guy found joining the pre-game banter funny but when the game started he didn't feel that much like joking. Must be discussing stuff elsewhere! the soft calling of someone as scum through the idea of 'posting somewhere else' of course they are posting somewhere else. I got a qt in my role pm. You got a qt too. We all did, its a hydra game! Stupid way to phrase this, it feels like over justification. His filter has a lot of posts talking about the VE?Yam?Hapa event like this one On April 13 2013 09:32 VIVAX420 wrote: Shotgun, VE being openly lazy and careless doesn't make him scum, I have to say that keeping to push that as only reason for thinking he's scum doesn't look good, why don't you inquire further if you have a suspicion instead of defending your argument? but none of them provide a read on any of the three of them. A lot of looking like he is contributing. No actual contribution. even this, supposed to be 420's concise thoughts On April 13 2013 10:11 VIVAX420 wrote: The Capslock thing was Kush I don't see how the stuff i wrote was "pointless and summarizing", my opinion is very clear in those posts. Summarizing means there's no interpretation in what you write, just recaps, but there's enough interpretation in my posts. Your and yamato's arguments: Not good. Your arguments against VE: Bad, not scummy. Yamato's actions: Possibly scum motivated. But I'll wait for more and especially for the non-posters to post. only gives us null, null, null and null. He won't commit. Because he is scum. also this: is the single worst reason for a town read Hapa. really? Kush even gives us a lynchable list On April 13 2013 20:41 VIVAX420 wrote: I agree with having everyone nuke themselves. Kind of exploiting game mechanics but it is a very pro town idea. JM is confirmed town like 95%. It worries me that VE can't see this and even wants to vote him for it. I've never seen a scum VE before but I am very worried about that hydra. So I wan't to lynch into these guys Fivetouch (maybe) MockArmor (Goodkarma/Mocsta) Came in the thread, not talking about any of the important stuff. Happy to remain behind the scenes. FondleMyButtocks (Promethelax/phagga) joking then lurking Raynmaster (Oatsmaster/Raynpelikoneet) no content so far WaveofCheesecake (WaveOfShadow + Mr.Cheesecake) joking then lurking pretty heavily. He has tried to contribute since then but nothing he has said inspires a town read. NeutralSrvivngBalrog (Drazerk/Strongandbig) total lurker -kush 6/10 of the game that isn't 420 and none of them for explicable reasons. That is one hell of a scummy list. A lot of places to leave a vote and nice and big enough to include a scum buddy or two without getting the buddy lynched. for the moment we'll be ##Vote: VIVAX420 | ||
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On April 13 2013 21:14 ShotgunBiceps wrote: Prom I think there is a hole in your plan. According to the OP nukes can be lauched via PM to the host, so there is no need for a Mafia Duke Nukem to claim having a nuke. dude, I think I might be palmar. Fuck. Scrap that plan then. | ||
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Your omgus is cute. But still terrible. y so scum? back to sleep! | ||
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On April 14 2013 02:41 SamuelLJackson wrote: FondleMyButtocks looks suspicious. His bigger posts look constructed rather than free flowing and he isn't doing anything with his few other posts. Going after Vivax/kush hydra is fine, but his reasons look forced to me. It's not "soft calling" when you throw your vote down and stupid does not equal mafia. It was a short, semi serious early game vote post with only one justification. Not at all an "over justification", there was only one reason for the vote. His other reasons for finding vivax420 suspicious look similarly manufactured. The way he words his case and frames vivax420's posts overall does not feel genuine and open-minded (e.g. "supposed to be 420's concise thoughts", "even gives us a lynchable list"). The random comment about wanting to "almost" lynch GK for tradition's sake also looks like kind of fluff mafia likes to add to their post. Phagga are you going to write that mockarmor case? Nope, not gonna write it. At the time when i said that to prom it was about how I felt that GKs posts were constructed, and missing pretty much the free flow that you also accuse prom of lacking. However, after rereading his filter in CT I was reminded that this just seems to be the way he posts. Also, Mocsta has since then added a lot to their filter, and I don't see how their behaviour is pushing a scum agenda. reading up on some filters, will post more in the next hour. Also, I wonder where NeutralSrvivingBalrog is. I'll reread some stuff and I'll be back with a few thoughts in the next hour. | ||
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On April 14 2013 04:39 VIVAX420 wrote: Fmb is scum. That balrog dude's inactivity is starting to look scummy too. -vivax you haven't given a reason on why you think we're scum besides "bad case". Even if the case would be bad (i leave that up to prom to debate), you should be aware that townies can make bad cases too. So what exactly makes us scum? | ||
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On April 14 2013 05:33 WaveOfCheesecake wrote: Ok I aksed him! (PS The reason I asked for the rest of town input is so I could have a non-internal opinion, but whatever.) What I've gleaned from CC's extensive scum knowledge is that scum want to do a bunch of things on D1: Distance scumbuddies, look towny, lynch a towny, etc. Of course I could argue that by voting us, MA is attempting to do all of these things, but that's not the point of this post. What interests me more is that CC told me that it's difficult to pin down scum on D1 unless they're really 'blates,' as he put it, and that without a flip it's difficult to ascertain what a scum agenda is. Hell why does scum even need to have a specific agenda on D1? If no one is suspecting them, and they don't feel threatened what agenda do they need to push? That's why your post bother me a little, FnB. It's so much the fact that you soft defend MA, but it's HOW you do it, considering there is absolutely NO WAY you could possibly know if MA is pushing a scum agenda or not with his posting. So what you're saying now is you don't want to write your promised case because it was based on just GK's filter (which was tiny) and entirely based on the flow of his posting? Ok, I suppose I understand but then it seems your case probably didn't have much of a leg to stand on to begin with if you could immediately look elsewhere and prove yourself wrong. Why bother to toss out suspicion and make a big deal about a case that wasn't solid or even written yet? Ask prom, he wrote I want to write a case on MockArmor. I just looked up our conversation and I said to him that GK caught my eye cause of the way he posts, but that I thought he was playing similarly in Chrono Trigger. I don't know how Prom derived from this that I would write a case on him. And how did I softdefend them? Against who's attack? All I wanted to say is that whatever I thought might be a good reason to ask a few question has become irrelevant with the additions of Mocsta. -pha | ||
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bro he said he'd be at a bachelor party, I assume that i where the bewbies come in too. VE: what do you mean disappearing? I need sleep, I am only human. I'm awake again and I'll be here for half an hour before I go to work. Phagga never promised a case on MA, I said that he he wanted to push them he could make a case. That was eight or nine hours ago when he had said that the gk/moc hydra was the one he was most suspicious of. He has changed his mind since that time and now finds vivax420 most suspicious. Syllo, you have a track record of 0% correct reads on me. Why not try to actually interact with me and the rest of the thread instead of popping in and spreading suspicion before vanishing again. Hapa, I'd like you to look at kush and tell me what you think of him. If you are town I am sure you'll see why my case is valid on young kush, think about it. marv, you around? I'd like to chat and you have been surprisingly reticent while I have been in the thread. what are you thinking? | ||
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On April 14 2013 05:57 NeutralSrvivngBalrog wrote: buttman has been here way more than i have but hes barely said anything that actually means things like all hes done is make that one case against vivax which is just "he doesnt take positions on people" well dood is scum parbably You want list post with town and scum reads bro? Too bad. For now I am most suspicious of v420 and no longer particularly suspicious of raynmaster, we'll see how their play improves but they feel right. I have no idea of who you find suspicious besides me. Help a brother out and lets talk through your thoughts, I'd love to get a real read on you. | ||
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On April 14 2013 06:04 FiveTouch wrote: That's nice. I'd rather kill you instead though. How about that? ##Unvote ##Vote: NeutralSrvivingBalrog it isn't offensive to gay doods in the slighest, never fear. ~marv marv, can you give me your thoughts on me and VIVAX420 please. don't ignore me you motha' phagga | ||
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The reason you have not heard from us is that I thought prom would be online, which he couldn't (this is related to him replacing out). I knew I would not be online today until about now. k, have to do some RL stuff, am afk for 15 min., then start reading the thread and answering any questions. -pha | ||
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On April 15 2013 05:30 VIVAX420 wrote: FMB post QT right now please No. I don't even know if it's allowed by the rules. | ||
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NSB looks like the classical lurker lynch, not gonna do it. SnB promised more of Draz on D2, so I'm looking forward to this. I like JM case on Rayn regarding their reads, and thought that rayns answer was very weak. Also NSB (I think?) posted something interesting on them. I would be willing to sheep on to this case. Try to read their filter now, don't know if enough time before deadline. tl,dr; would be willing to lynch vivax or rayn | ||
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On April 15 2013 07:54 InsertSmurfHere wrote: Precisely. So let's talk about it before mafia shoots one of us. IGNORING NSB (since I hate talking about unreadables) Which of Mock/WoC are mafia? Syllo/Sand saying they didn't want to lynch WoC is highly suspect. I looked through rayns filter and noticed the following: Raynmaster attacked JM, SGB, SLJ, MA and 5T repeatedly. On the other side he completely ignored ISH and mostly ignored NSB, us and Vivax420. There is on Hydra that was different: On April 14 2013 18:30 raynmaster wrote: You said 'active' and confident. Right. Not exactly the best reasons to call someone town ever. I wanted you to expand on that but since you didnt want to, whatever. I feel that MA is misinterpreting WoC's push on him and that WoC looks like he wants to find out MA's alignment but MA isnt doing any of that sort himself. He is so closed up and prickly. No jokes and shit. On April 14 2013 16:32 raynmaster wrote: Your case is MA jokes when town and not when scum right? Or is it deeper? Scum still post summary posts even though its known to be scummy. Like why do scumtells exist if scum dont do them? This is the only time Rayn is interacting with someone without attacking them. He never attacks WoC or implies he's scum. On the other side, WoC is very ambigous about Rayn. CC never explains his stance on Rayn. WoS writes this after MA asks for their read on CC: On April 14 2013 13:18 WaveOfCheesecake wrote: Feasible explanation of the Hapa business. CC isn't here and we actually haven't discussed Rayn at all, though I can tell you that RaynMaster is not on CC's list of townreads. On April 14 2013 13:53 WaveOfCheesecake wrote: A cursory read through Rayn's filter shows that Oats finds Mocsta scummy; since I have come to the same conclusions I'd be interested in discussing this with him. I personally don't find RM(hydra) scummy in the slightest. Any other reads from him atm would be nice too. + Show Spoiler + Hell while I'm posting a whole bunch of old reads just to appease the masses, why not my read on DP/Palmar? Palmar I have very little insight into, but (barring the very beginning of The Game) I'm pretty sure I can tell when DP is town, and so far he hasn't given me very much to work with. I am not a huge fan of the 'confirmed town' status though I admit it makes sense to me and I expressed my feelings as such to CC. I think this game is going to be a very good indication as to whether or not my meta reads have improved at all, despite it being a Hydra game. John Matrix, finished reading the thread yet? I'm interested to see where FnB, MA, and I fall on your red/green scale. Add to this how WoC intercepted the discussion between MA and Rayn: On April 14 2013 01:13 WaveOfCheesecake wrote: Can you explain this, MA? You FoS Hapa because he has scum motivation for buddying me etc etc and is kinda scummy whatever. Then you call him town? Rayn: That's Mocsta for you. He is pretty much picking up the case of Rayn and leads it on, while being all friendly to Rayn in the last sentence. Also note that this post came at a time when MA started to question rayn over and over. It looks like WoC was trying to shift away pressure from rayn, and change the topic. All the interactions feel like scum trying to cover each other. CC kept a backdoor open to vote rayn if it was needed, and they promptly bussed rayn when the wagon started rolling. Adding in the points that MA brought up on WoC, I feel that WoC has a high chance of flipping scum. -pha | ||
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On April 16 2013 00:17 WaveOfCheesecake wrote: Except as scum, I know how to manipulate all of those scum points. Just look at me and Lazer in Noir. We yelled at each other for half the game and he nearly got me killed with a vote. Idk about WoS, I don't think he's ever played scum. But I believe I'd be critical enough of Rayn as scum to avoid such associations. -CC Out of the three quotes I posted from your hydra, only one was from you. The others were from WoS, and he stated that you have been absent (although that one might have been a lie). And of course you never make errors, right? Every good town player has had his off game. The fact that you KNOW how to deal with such situations as scum does not mean that you always do it right. | ||
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On April 16 2013 00:31 WaveOfCheesecake wrote: Alright so, looked into NSB's filter; not too difficult I know, but it's a start. Basically his only real contribution has been a soft defense on us and a simultaneous attack/vote of MA. Now if you believe us to be scum because of Rayn's association, why not have a look at NSB for this reason as well? Apparently these are the only two people in the game who found my meta read 'not weak.' I don't buy the excuse that it's because Rayn treated only us differently. It makes more sense that the two of them as scum would try to jump on a weak towny case against another towny to try and secure a mislynch to me, but whatever. Moving onto FMB. And FMB, I NEVER lie. As I said, we never seem to know when the other is going to be around (which explains me literally JUST saying I didn't think CC would be around until tomorrow, yet here he is.) -Wave As I wrote earlier, Rayn does not mention SNB except for this: On April 15 2013 00:59 raynmaster wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 14 2013 23:34 MockArmor wrote: raynpeli No I'm accusing you of trying to contribute in the thread without providing accountability. This is because your entire dialogue with your "scum read" is subject to change pending on discussion with oats. That's bullshit. Full stop. Further, the exchange with *your/raynpeli* scum read, five touch. Does not even read as if you are talking to someone you are suspicious of. Thirdly. Let's pretend you were genuinely suspicious of five touch. Why the need to consult with oats regarding your scum read. You should be engaging and probing fiveotuch as much as you can. Instead you are reaponding to questions he asking of you. In addition to hiding all accountability behind oats. This is scummy shit, and again the whole exchange does not read to me as if you are talking to a scum read. I can't question marv about things VE said, and that was the only thing i wanted to question them about. I don't think you should not answer questions from people you think are scummy, but if you think so there's nothing i can do about it. I just explained marv what i thought at that time when he asked me about it. Had it been VE questioning me i would have acted differently. I don't think FT is scummy anymore. I read Hydra 1 and this game VE posts and VE was quite different in that game from what i can tell. Oats is saying the same thing. I can't be around @ the deadline, i consider NSB / FMB / VIVAX420 the scummiest atm. Vivax only because i can't understand much they are saying. Oats gotta decide who we gonna lynch. Also, NBS never mentions rayn. So yeah, nothing going on there. Of course that COULD be a tell too. Problem is that Rayn treats us, Vivax and ISH the same as NSB, and NSB does not mention a lot of other people too. Nothing interesting there in terms of associations. -pha | ||
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On April 16 2013 00:46 WaveOfCheesecake wrote: FMB, what are you current thoughts regarding Vivax? I think he is town. I took the time to reread his filter properly. The summarisation I mentioned was a misinterpretation by me after skimming their filter. He did indeed bring in his own thoughts in those posts. They were on raynmaster early, and wrote several times that they want people to switch to rayn. Also what JM brought up regarding kush asking for the ObsQT. | ||
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I'm off to the train. Not sure if I'm online again before the deadline. -pha | ||
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On April 16 2013 08:27 FiveTouch wrote: s&b I never took you for someone like this. What's going on? ~marv please, this is TOTALLY the kind of thing S&B does. he's a whiny fellow. The real trick to understanding him is to have no respect for him | ||
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S&B should at least be bright enough to recognize that :| | ||
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