Hydra Mini Mafia II - Extra Nuke Edition - Page 76

On April 14 2013 11:49 MockArmor wrote:
@WaveofCheesecake:

I believe you said something about "waiting" for me? I'm here, so fire away.

Your entire case for MockArmor being scum was for "shifting our read on Hapa from scum to town," or something like that.

In reality I made it a point to call out Hapa for what I perceived as buddying with potential scum motive. What caught my eye is as town Hapa must have more justification for his read. The way he thought you were town with such little justification didn't make sense to me from a town persepective. Hapa then satisfactorily justified his townread to me. I had been through the rest of his filter and seen nothing else that was suspicious. So with that clarification, I moved on. Sure an FOS is a flimsier version of an actual vote, but what I was pursuing was one suspicious point. It wasn't enough to vote him for without further investigation.

Like what were you expecting? Right after my exchange with Hapa I'd be like, "Before I thought you were totes scum (which wasn't the case), now I think you're totes town (Which isn't the case either. Definitely leaning town on Hapa, but he's nowhere near "confirmed town" to me or anything...). Didn't you criticize my counterpart for the exact same thing?:



So here's a question for you:

Would you care to "expound" on this Rayne read of yours? Plenty of time has past and from what I've seen you've still been caught up on your exchange with Mocsta. I understand to some extent "waiting" for people like me, but why even bother posting if you're not going to help contribute meaningfully to discussion? More on that in a little bit...

Posting the quote as a reminder:



-GK

On April 14 2013 12:14 MockArmor wrote:
So some of the posts that have stuck out for me, as previously promised.:



Comments like this. Like maybe in a normal mafia game where no one can communicate with each other could I see this, but in a hydra game where you have a buddy to tell you this shit there's NO EXCUSE for shitting up the thread with this.

You then go on to post even more meaningless crap that isn't scumhunting.:



Hi there. I'm WaveofCheesecake. Oh darn my scumread's not here. Need to keep waiting for him instead of expounding on Rayne who I've conveniently forgotten... THERE'S NO SCUMHUNTING HERE. This was actually done twice in quick succession. Only like a few minutes prior.:



Like, you know, maybe pursue Rayne or some of those other scumreads you must have while you wait? You're doing a darn good job of remaining active in thread while not contributing much of anything except maybe a few points here and there in your own defense...

Instead, let's make more pointless posts.:



O rly? Clearly you're town. Because you're like SO acting like it... If you plan on convincing us you're town you'd better start actually pushing cases and scumreads. Instead of shitting up thread and "waiting" on people, be it your partner or a scumread. There's three scum right now, and you should have no problem posting stuff without first consulting your partner, so there's like zero reason why as town you should feel compelled to behave as you guys are right now.

On April 14 2013 14:14 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
I don't have the time for this now; if I feel it's appropriate I will post the meta case I have on Mocsta tomorrow. I can't be drawin into a million-hour discussion with Mocsta atm; I have too much work to do. The whole point of CC's discussion with Mocsta (for me) was to keep him talking so I could find out more. I don't care what the rest of town thinks about that conversation; the two of us know what we're doing.

And where the fuck are you getting that I have to check everything through with CC? All I said was I don't know why he finds Rayn scummy because we never discussed it.



Actually fuck it, I'll post the short form without proof atm; that'll have to be enough for now. If my meta reads are still shit then they're shit but that's why I wanted to hear more from GK---I'm not 100% cemented on my scumread/meta read and I was hoping GK could confirm in for me one way or another, which it hasn't.


In short, two things. At the time of be making my meta case, Mocsta had already posted a ton without calling anyone scummy; just making careful posts and not giving a solid read on anyone. This is indicative of his early game scum play from both NMM 37 and Hydra I. As town he throws out reads left and right constantly and ACTUALLY MAKES CASES to follow up with his reads and endless lines of questioning, which he hasn't done here. He votes for us here without actually even calling us scum---obviously amounts to the same thing but rubs me the wrong way.


Another random interesting meta tidbit to mention is Mocsta often enters a thread with much fanfare and hysteria, regardless of alignment (though MORE likely to do so as town.)
Hydra mini I (scum) - was there when the game started, lots of trolling, lots of joking around.
The Game (town) - replaced sandro after a day or so, lots of joking, calling people scum, whatnot.
Nomination (town) - jovial lighthearted posting style, throwing votes and shit around at game entry.
NMM 37 (scum) - Enters the thread with lighthearted tone and RNG fluff.

This game he was not around when the game started, and you'll notice he did NOT joke around at all, rather he got supersrs right from the get-go. I believe this is because entering a game late as scum, he missed the 'permissible first few hours joking-around period' and doesn't want to start fooling around when people are actually having discussion for fear he will look scummy for trying to derail. NOTE: He had NO problem joking around in the middle of The Game when he entered because he was town and had no reason to be afraid or look guilty.


Make of this case what you will for now. I might be able to expand on it further with better proof (especially since people are unlikely to go sifting through his meta themselves). CC was asking me to post this much earlier when the discussion was happening but I didn't want to derail trying to learn what I could at the time. I figure it's better out than in right now especially given thread sentiment. I'm going to attempt to study then go to bed but I might be able to check back on the thread a couple more times.

On April 15 2013 00:19 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
I'm in the same boat as Marv.

People I am not willing to lynch: FT/Shotgun/JM/SLJ/Vivax

That leaves:

Raynmaster/MockArmor/Balrog/FMB/WoC

Mock is involved in the most idiotic arguing in the game and seems to want to perpetuate the fighting with both WoC and Rayn. I actually feel that out of the three actives in this group, they are the most likely to be mafia.

WoC actually seems more townish throughout this whole ordeal, since I think they've made more of an effort to clarify their stance and actually make a case on Mock, even if the meta argument is weak.

Rayn is a fucking tossup, and I'm not at all sure of their alignment. I would rather not lynch into them yet.

Balrog is a lurker lynch that I'd rather avoid, but simply by process of elimination has to be mafia if I'm right about all my town reads. That said, it's probably better to lynch a more active person, as a rule of thumb.

Prom's hydra looks pretty awful. They've done almost nothing today, and I know Prom as someone that likes to get into the thick of things. What they have done is also not what I call good scum hunting, so it's a decent tell that they are lazy scum.

Out of this comes two choices for lynch. Next post I decide which of Mock and Fondle is the better lynch.

On April 14 2013 00:26 MockArmor wrote:

No it doesn't explain the situation at all.

For brevity once more
+ Show Spoiler +

Let us re-cap the situation thus far:

• You have gone out of your way to "contribute" on live thread matters
  
• You then avoid accountability by having to refer back to your QT partner
  
• Your reasoning: Oats has far better meta understanding than I

Now, let me crystalize for you what I am thinking.

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If you are incapable of contributing to the thread, due to weak meta history; or, needing to reference with your partner in general.
Why post in the first place?

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Before trying to bullshit me: keep in mind, I was scum in the last Hydra game.
Henceforth why I agreed in full with the Syllo quote, which I will post for you one more time.

P.S. Im not quoting this post, because Syllo saying it makes it valid.
Im quoting it because he said it in better words than I.

On April 14 2013 03:32 MockArmor wrote:
Whats a read on a null tell.. lol?

On April 14 2013 04:04 MockArmor wrote:

Hes going to sleep. And im very content with where "our" vote is.

Regardless; I have said my piece, and laid my out my vote.
Won't comment any further till I have had a chance to discuss with my other slot.

Night.

On April 14 2013 03:46 MockArmor wrote:
Are you implying that because

"i'm so high" you can not be held accountable?