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2 scum nukes would be stupid op.
dat scum kp.
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On April 15 2013 23:15 FondleMyButtocks wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 15 2013 07:54 InsertSmurfHere wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2013 07:51 ShotgunBiceps wrote:
If syllo is scum, the last one comes down to NSB/WoC/Mock Precisely. So let's talk about it before mafia shoots one of us. IGNORING NSB (since I hate talking about unreadables) Which of Mock/WoC are mafia? Syllo/Sand saying they didn't want to lynch WoC is highly suspect. I looked through rayns filter and noticed the following: Raynmaster attacked JM, SGB, SLJ, MA and 5T repeatedly. On the other side he completely ignored ISH and mostly ignored NSB, us and Vivax420. There is on Hydra that was different: Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 18:30 raynmaster wrote:On April 14 2013 18:27 SamuelLJackson wrote:On April 14 2013 18:17 raynmaster wrote:On April 14 2013 18:10 SamuelLJackson wrote:On April 14 2013 17:41 raynmaster wrote:
Syllo, what is your read on Mocsta? His singular fixation on waveofcheese is a bit suspicious and I don't like how he made a brief remark about agreeing with me on FMB, but then diverted all his attention towards WoC.. Other than that he looks better now and I don't think he is a good lynch today. He has been quite active and the tone seems confident. So read on WoC? Why does MA look better? Why don't you tell me yours? I'm not interested in answering your questions. They don't even make sense; it's very difficult to explain why someone looks "better" and it's not relevant at all. I already gave reasons for not considering mockarmor a priority today and that's all you need to know. You said 'active' and confident. Right. Not exactly the best reasons to call someone town ever. I wanted you to expand on that but since you didnt want to, whatever. I feel that MA is misinterpreting WoC's push on him and that WoC looks like he wants to find out MA's alignment but MA isnt doing any of that sort himself. He is so closed up and prickly. No jokes and shit. Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 16:32 raynmaster wrote:On April 14 2013 16:23 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
Oats at some point during the night I'd like to hear your thoughts regarding MA and/or my case. In your own time though 'cause I won't be around.
Devil's advocate on your suspicion towards Palmar's post; as scum why put in that kind of effort just to make it look like you're contributing with a summary post, when summary posts are known to be inherently useless? Your case is MA jokes when town and not when scum right? Or is it deeper? Scum still post summary posts even though its known to be scummy. Like why do scumtells exist if scum dont do them? This is the only time Rayn is interacting with someone without attacking them. He never attacks WoC or implies he's scum. On the other side, WoC is very ambigous about Rayn. CC never explains his stance on Rayn. WoS writes this after MA asks for their read on CC: Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 13:18 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
Feasible explanation of the Hapa business. CC isn't here and we actually haven't discussed Rayn at all, though I can tell you that RaynMaster is not on CC's list of townreads. Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 13:53 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:A cursory read through Rayn's filter shows that Oats finds Mocsta scummy; since I have come to the same conclusions I'd be interested in discussing this with him. I personally don't find RM(hydra) scummy in the slightest. Any other reads from him atm would be nice too. + Show Spoiler +
Hell while I'm posting a whole bunch of old reads just to appease the masses, why not my read on DP/Palmar?
Palmar I have very little insight into, but (barring the very beginning of The Game) I'm pretty sure I can tell when DP is town, and so far he hasn't given me very much to work with. I am not a huge fan of the 'confirmed town' status though I admit it makes sense to me and I expressed my feelings as such to CC. I think this game is going to be a very good indication as to whether or not my meta reads have improved at all, despite it being a Hydra game.
John Matrix, finished reading the thread yet? I'm interested to see where FnB, MA, and I fall on your red/green scale.
Add to this how WoC intercepted the discussion between MA and Rayn: Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 01:13 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:On April 13 2013 15:54 MockArmor wrote:
My prior was post presented after VE presents rather valid points on both shotgun and DP/Palmar...
For DP/Palmar, definitely subpar play. Sadly, they are one of several people who have done next to nothing...
As for Hapa: I really didn't understand his townread on Wave (hence why I asked). His explanation wasn't very strong either. I know that Hapa's a strong town player, and find it hard to believe the guy would do something like this so haphazardly. The recent mislynch of Ace in my mind though reminds me that good players do dumb things. So this is a poor reason to suspect Hapa as scum. But there's more to it than that.:
But there's Scum Motivation too for this action. As scum, Hapa has Wave "buddied" to sway the vote. Wave already extended out to Hapa saying he was going to buddy him, so why not take advantage of this as scum? I know he's aware of what motivates buddying, as I recall him using buddying as a casepoint before in a past game. I'm looking forward to Hapa's defense.
##FoS: Shotgun On April 14 2013 00:02 MockArmor wrote:On April 13 2013 23:54 raynmaster wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 13 2013 23:47 MockArmor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2013 23:42 raynmaster wrote:On April 13 2013 23:35 MockArmor wrote:On April 13 2013 23:19 SamuelLJackson wrote:
Mocsta you didn't answer my question. Why did you attempt to make a big deal out of a person posting something that in essence looked like a confirmation post and a post implying that he was going to bed? The complaint in general feels false given that the game had just started and it doesn't seem like you could have genuinely felt frustrated by the state of things at the time of the post. The question should not be addressed to Mocsta. Regardless; I have been content with the posting of my partner.. I also believe the post you have chosen to bring attention is, contains a valid opinion of thread sentiment. Rather, I think it is you, who is choosing to elucidate matters of the minutiae to the fore. Why would you not want a player you are talking to in the first place to answer? Are you gonna try to get out of bad spot by letting your partner to answer a question directed to someone else? /rayn That answer was clearly written by Mocsta. As is this response. What is your point? Are you suggesting that I am able to elucidate the inate thoughts of GoodKarma at the time of writing? What i do know is that the post in question, shared the same sentiments I felt at the time. The thread was too spammy; too crazy; and too emotional. Hey do you have any reads? Or expand on your hapa read please. Yes, we have reads. To expand on Hapa: We don't perceive him as scum; nor an entity to invest further time into this cycle. + Show Spoiler +
In my opinion, town Hapa is quick to jump to conclusions, and just as quick to re-evaluate his reads and make his current stance visible. I think that occured today.
Can you explain this, MA? You FoS Hapa because he has scum motivation for buddying me etc etc and is kinda scummy whatever. Then you call him town? Rayn: That's Mocsta for you. He is pretty much picking up the case of Rayn and leads it on, while being all friendly to Rayn in the last sentence. Also note that this post came at a time when MA started to question rayn over and over. It looks like WoC was trying to shift away pressure from rayn, and change the topic. All the interactions feel like scum trying to cover each other. CC kept a backdoor open to vote rayn if it was needed, and they promptly bussed rayn when the wagon started rolling. Adding in the points that MA brought up on WoC, I feel that WoC has a high chance of flipping scum. -pha
Nothing but WIFOM, my dear friend. It's very possible Rayn was just going with my case (that mostly everyone else has called terrible; I'm more than willing to still accept that my meta reads are bad but it shouldn't preclude me from trying to improve myself) because he thought he could help it along to a MA mislynch. If anything to me that's more evidence for MA being town than for me being scum, but whatever. As far as me acting friendly to him, I've explained numerous times that I thought Rayn was town; I was wrong. Once again, very simple.
Now I'm actually going to be around a little bit right now so can we discuss who we might find the 3rd scum to be? Syllo does seem extremely guilty right now as despite everyone throwing at him that the best thing he could do if he were town is to help us out, he still hasn't done so. I'm pretty comfortable with that nuke landing later. CC and I still haven't talked a great deal (this might change tomorrow? He says he has Tuesday off) but from the QT his reads show that he's not sure of FMB, and NSB. I'll look into these two myself right now. Also if there's anything specific people would like to grill out of me now might be the time.
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On April 15 2013 23:26 VIVAX420 wrote:
I read the above post. woc is scum I guess probably.
good post and the association looks pretty fishy.
Also this post made me lol.
Real commitment to a read. 
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Well despite the SLJ flip we should probably just go ahead and kill SNB.
I'm pretty indifferent to the case against us, mainly because I never had the time to write up any cases day 1 and most of the suspicious stuff in our filter arose from WoS and me disagreeing about Mocsta and Rayn respectively. I really don't care if we get lynched tomorrow, and I think our green flip would bring a ray of light on the situation for town.
As for who is scum?
Could be SNB, FMB, FT. Everyone else I've got decent enough town reads on.
-CC
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On April 16 2013 00:15 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
Yeah, I ignored BH almost exclusively save for a few forced interactions in the last game. As a matter of fact I don't think I directly interacted with any of the other scum. I've see both avoidance and attachment as valid scum points.
Except as scum, I know how to manipulate all of those scum points. Just look at me and Lazer in Noir. We yelled at each other for half the game and he nearly got me killed with a vote. Idk about WoS, I don't think he's ever played scum. But I believe I'd be critical enough of Rayn as scum to avoid such associations.
-CC
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On April 16 2013 00:20 FiveTouch wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2013 12:28 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
Because he's not me, and there are a ton of pseudo confirmed towns.
pre lynch i was sure of ISH being town, hapa town, JM town, and FT town. Id give my left.nut to say moc is town now. SNB is null as fuck, may as well kill him now eh. between him and syllo there is at least one scum yes. Show nested quote +On April 15 2013 12:53 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:On April 15 2013 12:49 VIVAX420 wrote:
ya it was me. WoC why is FT conf town?
kush well i think hes town. confirmed in my brain. i actually have zero justification for this gutread other than gut. love, cc Show nested quote +On April 16 2013 00:15 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
As for who is scum?
Could be SNB, FMB, FT. Everyone else I've got decent enough town reads on.
-CC Cool story bro ~marv
Only said that because I never even read the last 10 pages leading up to the flip.
/thread
-CC
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On April 16 2013 00:23 FiveTouch wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2013 00:21 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:On April 16 2013 00:20 FiveTouch wrote:On April 15 2013 12:28 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
Because he's not me, and there are a ton of pseudo confirmed towns.
pre lynch i was sure of ISH being town, hapa town, JM town, and FT town. Id give my left.nut to say moc is town now. SNB is null as fuck, may as well kill him now eh. between him and syllo there is at least one scum yes. On April 15 2013 12:53 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:On April 15 2013 12:49 VIVAX420 wrote:
ya it was me. WoC why is FT conf town?
kush well i think hes town. confirmed in my brain. i actually have zero justification for this gutread other than gut. love, cc On April 16 2013 00:15 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
As for who is scum?
Could be SNB, FMB, FT. Everyone else I've got decent enough town reads on.
-CC Cool story bro ~marv Only said that because I never even read the last 10 pages leading up to the flip. /thread -CC So you were pretty sure I was town before those pages, and now I could be mafia? Why the change in read? ~marv
Rayn flipped red. If Rayn was green i'd still be pretty sure you're town.
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On April 16 2013 00:26 FiveTouch wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2013 00:25 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:On April 16 2013 00:23 FiveTouch wrote:On April 16 2013 00:21 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:On April 16 2013 00:20 FiveTouch wrote:On April 15 2013 12:28 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
Because he's not me, and there are a ton of pseudo confirmed towns.
pre lynch i was sure of ISH being town, hapa town, JM town, and FT town. Id give my left.nut to say moc is town now. SNB is null as fuck, may as well kill him now eh. between him and syllo there is at least one scum yes. On April 15 2013 12:53 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:On April 15 2013 12:49 VIVAX420 wrote:
ya it was me. WoC why is FT conf town?
kush well i think hes town. confirmed in my brain. i actually have zero justification for this gutread other than gut. love, cc On April 16 2013 00:15 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
As for who is scum?
Could be SNB, FMB, FT. Everyone else I've got decent enough town reads on.
-CC Cool story bro ~marv Only said that because I never even read the last 10 pages leading up to the flip. /thread -CC So you were pretty sure I was town before those pages, and now I could be mafia? Why the change in read? ~marv Rayn flipped red. If Rayn was green i'd still be pretty sure you're town. That's not a reason, that's a statement of what occurred. Is it your contention that I saw the majority on FMB, decided I didn't like it, told the thread repeatedly I didn't like it, town lynched another target, and I'm more scummy because of that? Can you explain the mafia thought process behind this please? ~marv
FMB could still be scum? Nomination, case in point. VE (red) was up for lynch. I said FUCK THAT GUYS, KILL SNARFS. Snarfs flipped red.
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Alright so, looked into NSB's filter; not too difficult I know, but it's a start.
Basically his only real contribution has been a soft defense on us and a simultaneous attack/vote of MA.
Now if you believe us to be scum because of Rayn's association, why not have a look at NSB for this reason as well? Apparently these are the only two people in the game who found my meta read 'not weak.'
I don't buy the excuse that it's because Rayn treated only us differently. It makes more sense that the two of them as scum would try to jump on a weak towny case against another towny to try and secure a mislynch to me, but whatever.
Moving onto FMB.
And FMB, I NEVER lie. As I said, we never seem to know when the other is going to be around (which explains me literally JUST saying I didn't think CC would be around until tomorrow, yet here he is.)
-Wave
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On April 16 2013 00:27 FondleMyButtocks wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2013 00:17 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:On April 16 2013 00:15 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
Yeah, I ignored BH almost exclusively save for a few forced interactions in the last game. As a matter of fact I don't think I directly interacted with any of the other scum. I've see both avoidance and attachment as valid scum points. Except as scum, I know how to manipulate all of those scum points. Just look at me and Lazer in Noir. We yelled at each other for half the game and he nearly got me killed with a vote. Idk about WoS, I don't think he's ever played scum. But I believe I'd be critical enough of Rayn as scum to avoid such associations. -CC Out of the three quotes I posted from your hydra, only one was from you. The others were from WoS, and he stated that you have been absent (although that one might have been a lie). And of course you never make errors, right? Every good town player has had his off game. The fact that you KNOW how to deal with such situations as scum does not mean that you always do it right.
WoS has nothing to do with what I would have been doing as scum. Of course, it's all perspective anyway. I fully expect for us to get lynch on the morrow, and I'm pretty content with it.
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On April 16 2013 00:36 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2013 00:31 FiveTouch wrote:On April 16 2013 00:30 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:On April 16 2013 00:26 FiveTouch wrote:On April 16 2013 00:25 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:On April 16 2013 00:23 FiveTouch wrote:On April 16 2013 00:21 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:On April 16 2013 00:20 FiveTouch wrote:On April 15 2013 12:28 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
Because he's not me, and there are a ton of pseudo confirmed towns.
pre lynch i was sure of ISH being town, hapa town, JM town, and FT town. Id give my left.nut to say moc is town now. SNB is null as fuck, may as well kill him now eh. between him and syllo there is at least one scum yes. On April 15 2013 12:53 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:On April 15 2013 12:49 VIVAX420 wrote:
ya it was me. WoC why is FT conf town?
kush well i think hes town. confirmed in my brain. i actually have zero justification for this gutread other than gut. love, cc On April 16 2013 00:15 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
As for who is scum?
Could be SNB, FMB, FT. Everyone else I've got decent enough town reads on.
-CC Cool story bro ~marv Only said that because I never even read the last 10 pages leading up to the flip. /thread -CC So you were pretty sure I was town before those pages, and now I could be mafia? Why the change in read? ~marv Rayn flipped red. If Rayn was green i'd still be pretty sure you're town. That's not a reason, that's a statement of what occurred. Is it your contention that I saw the majority on FMB, decided I didn't like it, told the thread repeatedly I didn't like it, town lynched another target, and I'm more scummy because of that? Can you explain the mafia thought process behind this please? ~marv FMB could still be scum? Nomination, case in point. VE (red) was up for lynch. I said FUCK THAT GUYS, KILL SNARFS. Snarfs flipped red. Fair enough. That means if SLJ flips mafia I should be confirmed town in your mind, because there would only be 1 mafia left and therefore I could not be protecting another mafia. Agreed? ~marv /agree I'm going to lurk until the Syllo flip. I will make my cases on Tuesday because I only have class that day and no work.
For filter.
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FMB, what are you current thoughts regarding Vivax?
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On April 16 2013 02:13 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2013 02:02 SamuelLJackson wrote:On April 16 2013 01:58 John Matrix wrote:On April 16 2013 01:51 FiveTouch wrote:
RAYN WASN'T EVEN AN OPTION UNTIL MARV TALkED YOU LOT INTO SWITCHING DP WHAT THE HOLY FUCK JUST LOOK ELSEWHERE AND STOP WASTING YORU FUCKING TIME
WE'RE LOOkING FOR SCUM TOGETHER, RIGHT NOW. JUST BECAUSE WE'RE ARGUING YOUR SHITTY FUCKING LOGIC DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE NOT LOOKNIG FOR SCUM The bolded is bullshit by the way. It was obviously a townie lynch. Marv didn't talk us into to jack shit. I am going to bed. Night all. So why were you voting for this "obviously townie" player? Anyway, I don't think there is an anti-nuker, so instead of wasting my time writing a bigger cast post, I'll just point to Palmar's reads, which I largely agree with. Sheep him. Why would there not be an anti-nuker?
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I don't understand why there would be any assumption by SLJ that there is no anti-nuker. For balance reasons and especially since it is one of only two town roles in existence, it makes more sense to me for there to be a nuker and anti-nuker for town especially since scum had a nuker (with the doubtful possibility of another).
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I forget who mentioned it but it really does look like a scummy attempt by SLJ to find the anti-, get him to question the town's read and shoot it down.
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If Syllo is scum then like CC I wouldn't care so much if we go down, especially since I don't have the time (nor the desire) to flail about to prevent a mislynch (and it would probably eliminate the rest of the doubt you guys seem to have regarding 3rd scum), but CC has mentioned he will have plenty of time to post tomorrow. Personally I'm thinking NSB.
Obviously I'd rather you guys not mislynch us tomorrow and hopefully even if you decide to (whether we are right or wrong about Syllo/sandro) we can generate enough discussion for it to be useful.
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NSB is MY only scumread, which we agree on I believe. I don't want to out CC too much because once again I can't back up his ideas right now.
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I'm willing to accept I was wrong about my meta read on Mocsta and the amount of pushing he has done as well as what I mentioned regarding Rayn and possibly NSB's push makes him look townier. I'm not 100% on MA but null leaning town on him now.
I absolutely hate kush's posting but they were right about Rayn pretty early, and Vivax's posting has been good. Town - I'm fairly sure CC and I agree on that front.
I'm leaving my thoughts on FT close to the chest right now partially because I can't afford to get into an argument with marv right now. I scurred of him.
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VE - I didn't tell you anything. I don't necessarily think he's scum---this is another one of those cases where CC and I have a lot of talking to do about it so I don't have anything to say about it yet; and any mention of it is likely going to make you guys shit up the thread like when you were arguing with DP.
Hapa/jampi - Kush first looked as though he wanted to lynch me (along with Vivax) before switching to Rayn. I don't see the point in admitting the fact that that once he read our filter at the time he figured we were town since he then goes on to say he'd lynch basically anyone else that day.
He can't be both scum and bussing his teammates and scum protecting townreads for cred---pick one and go with it. Also if he were scum and bussing teammates sine he pushed me first before calling me towny would you then assume I was scum too?
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