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On April 13 2013 15:54 MockArmor wrote:
My prior was post presented after VE presents rather valid points on both shotgun and DP/Palmar...
For DP/Palmar, definitely subpar play. Sadly, they are one of several people who have done next to nothing...
1)As for Hapa: I really didn't understand his townread on Wave (hence why I asked). His explanation wasn't very strong either. I know that Hapa's a strong town player, and find it hard to believe the guy would do something like this so haphazardly. The recent mislynch of Ace in my mind though reminds me that good players do dumb things. 2)So this is a poor reason to suspect Hapa as scum. But there's more to it than that.:
But there's Scum Motivation too for this action. [b]3[/bAs scum, Hapa has Wave "buddied" to sway the vote. Wave already extended out to Hapa saying he was going to buddy him, so why not take advantage of this as scum? I know he's aware of what motivates buddying, as I recall him using buddying as a casepoint before in a past game. I'm looking forward to Hapa's defense.
[b]4[/b##FoS: Shotgun
That's terrrrrrible. Like of all the reasons you could have came up with from the last 10 pages of spam, that's what you come up with?
The logic in this post:
1) I have a town-read you don't understand
2) ...BUT that's a "poor reason" to ssuepct me
3) HOWEVER there's the POSSIBILITY that I buddied Wave.
4) Therefore... I'm suspicious?
What on earth? I mean what's there even to defend. You called one of your own reasons for finding me suspicious bad, then you say I "buddied" someone. That's a statement, and not analysis.
Who's posting here? Is this GK?
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On April 13 2013 16:24 MockArmor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2013 16:01 ShotgunBiceps wrote:On April 13 2013 15:54 MockArmor wrote:
My prior was post presented after VE presents rather valid points on both shotgun and DP/Palmar...
For DP/Palmar, definitely subpar play. Sadly, they are one of several people who have done next to nothing...
1)As for Hapa: I really didn't understand his townread on Wave (hence why I asked). His explanation wasn't very strong either. I know that Hapa's a strong town player, and find it hard to believe the guy would do something like this so haphazardly. The recent mislynch of Ace in my mind though reminds me that good players do dumb things. 2)So this is a poor reason to suspect Hapa as scum. But there's more to it than that.:
But there's Scum Motivation too for this action. [b]3[/bAs scum, Hapa has Wave "buddied" to sway the vote. Wave already extended out to Hapa saying he was going to buddy him, so why not take advantage of this as scum? I know he's aware of what motivates buddying, as I recall him using buddying as a casepoint before in a past game. I'm looking forward to Hapa's defense.
[b]4[/b##FoS: Shotgun That's terrrrrrible. Like of all the reasons you could have came up with from the last 10 pages of spam, that's what you come up with? The logic in this post: 1) I have a town-read you don't understand 2) ...BUT that's a "poor reason" to ssuepct me 3) HOWEVER there's the POSSIBILITY that I buddied Wave. 4) Therefore... I'm suspicious? What on earth? I mean what's there even to defend. You called one of your own reasons for finding me suspicious bad, then you say I "buddied" someone. That's a statement, and not analysis. Who's posting here? Is this GK? Calling a dude that buddied you town (with such weak reasoning) is a way to buddy him back in my eyes. I was hoping for some kind of elaboration, like "From all the play I've seen from wave I believe he would be too timid to make a list of names as scum." Or whatever specific meta-reason it may be (like more specific than what you've said...). With hopefully a prior game link or two to show it. Because I'm not privy to this meta-reason that you seem to be. List posts are kinda really easy to make regardless of alignment... I really don't follow how you can have decided the guy was town based off what you've presented here in thread.
Well I don't think it's weak. I think it shows a light-hearted mentality that's hard to fake as scum, and it's uncannily observant for something that could be a "mafia-joke". Of course that doesn't mean that I'm going to ignore everything he says right now and treat him like auto-town, but I like the mentality behind that post.
As for a meta reason, I'd kinda expect a newer scum-player (WoS hasn't played as mafia to my knowledge) to be a lot more uptight and serious. Instead he comes in joking, and that goes at odds with my expectations of his scum-play.
As for "buddying," how is that at all a heuristic for catching scum? I talk to newbies about not making reads based on that kinda stuff, and I see you doing it.
So who is posting here? GK?
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As for Palmar/DP, not convinced yet. Palmar is being Palmar, and while DP's activity leaves me a bit wanting, that's about all I can say about him.
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After spending an hour skimming Vivax filter's in Personality 2 and Mafia LIX, I agree on Yamatos point. He does kinda have the habbit of jumping into tunnel based on one thing. I can see a town Vivax trying to get rid of this habbit and thus doubting his reads.
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On April 13 2013 18:03 SamuelLJackson wrote:
It feels like marv is genuinely incredulous at the fact hapa is making some of the accusations and both of them have posted some content. Nothing seems to stand out so far so I don't think they are a priority at all right now.
Who do you think is the priority right now?
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Prom I think there is a hole in your plan. According to the OP nukes can be lauched via PM to the host, so there is no need for a Mafia Duke Nukem to claim having a nuke.
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raynmaster mind sharing your reads? Your only read so far seems to be that you think my partner is scummy because he did something stupid. Care to expound on that?
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So you don't have any other reads?
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Just trying to get read on you and your stances help on that. What in Mocsta catches your eye, and is it only Mocsta or the hole hydra?
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Mock - what part of those quotes from CC are scummy? All that shows is that he changed his mind over time, which is completely non-allignment indicative.
This is the second really questionable read you're using this game. The first being a buddying read that you justified as legitimate since I used it once in a game I played almost a year ago (and my 2nd normal game to boot).
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On April 14 2013 00:20 raynmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 00:17 ShotgunBiceps wrote:
raynmaster mind sharing your reads? Your only read so far seems to be that you think my partner is scummy because he did something stupid. Care to expound on that? Town Hapa isnt stupid hapa. Push on VE off a JOKE was so fucking dumb its scummy. You see in Newbie 30~, my scum partner did the same thing, pushed a dude off a joke. Also happened other times that I recall but not all that well. The worse part is that Hapa KNOWS VE, and for him to push it, yeah thats bad. Hydra names in sig please, brain not enough capacity to remember.
Stop repeating talking points.
Firstly, I didn't think the post by VE was a joke at the time, hence me pushing him off of it.
Secondly, I don't know VE very well, and I'm generally pretty terrible at reading him. I've played 2 games with him, both of which he was scum and both of which I had gut-town reads on him for the first few days.
Also if I'm "scummy as fuck" or whatever, where's your vote? Where's your push? All I see is you tryign to justify that I'm scummy to my partner instead of going anywhere with it.
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Ack sorry got really busy yesterday and wasn't around the computer. Anyway I'm gonna filter and see who I want to lynch.
At first thought, Balrog seems ideal. I don't know about Drazerk is an eternal quagmire to me, but we've gotten almost nothing from the SnB half of the hydra, and that's very rare for a town SnB.
Either way there are two other mafia even if I'm right, so gotta find those.
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Also who posted that vote on me? Was that Rayn or Oats?
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Ok I can do that
##Vote FondleMyButtox
Was about to post that he's been pretty useless, and a useless Prome has a high chance of flipping red.
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On April 15 2013 03:14 John Matrix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2013 03:09 ShotgunBiceps wrote:
Ack sorry got really busy yesterday and wasn't around the computer. Anyway I'm gonna filter and see who I want to lynch.
At first thought, Balrog seems ideal. I don't know about Drazerk is an eternal quagmire to me, but we've gotten almost nothing from the SnB half of the hydra, and that's very rare for a town SnB.
Either way there are two other mafia even if I'm right, so gotta find those. This is a misrepresentation of snb's townplay. He is usually lurky and useless on dag 1 in my experience.
In the more recent town games I've played with him, he's been fairly spammy early on. Certainly useless, but more active.
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Yeah see the thing with Rayn's vote is that it reminds me a lot of his attitude in his Newbie game (as scum). He was really cocky and brash, where as in his town game in RED Team, he seemed a lot more sheepy/whiney.
I also am trying to figure out how he went from this:
I don't think FT is scummy anymore. I read Hydra 1 and this game VE posts and VE was quite different in that game from what i can tell. Oats is saying the same thing.
I can't be around @ the deadline, i consider NSB / FMB / VIVAX420 the scummiest atm. Vivax only because i can't understand much they are saying. Oats gotta decide who we gonna lynch.
To this...
##Vote: ShotgunBiceps
For going after VE (which in itself is not scummy) and later on backing off from the read with a response that "the case was half-forced in the first place" when people find this suspicious.
... in the course of an hour.
Either way, I do want to lynch FMB today unless they start posting more. Not as sure on Reyn.
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On April 15 2013 03:19 FiveTouch wrote:
Here's my main issue with FMB, and I get that some of you may call me silly.
Seems like the trend of the thread, as far as I'm aware, has been meandering along towards an FMB lynch for some time. If he's mafia, is he really that far gone that the other mafia haven't tried to significantly push an alternate lynch?
Seems like we're just gonna lynch FMB and that's that, no real questions asked.
syllo, what do you make of this? If I remember correctly you're usually pretty aware of these things. Palmar too.
~marv
Fairly valid concerns, however the fact remains that Prome's play has been incredibly lacking, and that lines up pretty darn well with his scum mentality. I find it hard to believe that town-Prome would awol the thread like this. If I remember correctly, he was quite busy in Dessert Mini (as town) and really made attempts to go out of his way to be active.
On Day 1, I think thread atmosphere and flow can be fairly fickle, and I'd rather resort to lynching objectively scummy players. For example, the scum-team could be lurking or just bad at deflecting attention off of their buddy. And given the most recent votecount (with votes spread amongst 5 players), I don't see this as much of a concern anywho.
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On April 15 2013 03:40 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
For the record, I would rather flip Syllo today, but even Palmar doesn't want to do that and he's the only other one that seems to think Syllo could be mafia.
I think Syllo is fine for now. Sure it's worrisome in a sense that he's going after "a lurker," however the reasoning is valid and I agree with the lynch. He's probably best left until tomorrow.
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On April 15 2013 02:54 VIVAX420 wrote:
nvm about WoC I guess lol...just read his filter doesn't seem as scummy today
kush
Kush can you explain this a bit more? You were all up in WoC yesterday and you dropped your vote without providing the details.
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