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On April 14 2013 04:00 Dandel Ion wrote:
Not-So-Nuclear Vote Count:
John Matrix (1): InsertSmurfHere
WaferofCheesecake (1): MockArmor
ShotgunBiceps (1): John Matrix
FondleMyButtocks (2): FiveTouch, Vivax420
Vivax420 (1): FondleMyButtocks
Not Voting (5): SamuelLJackson, Raynmaster, NeutralSrvivngBalrog, ShotgunBiceps, WaveofCheesecake
Message if wrong, 6 needed for lynch etc etc
WTF Dandel. You make me a sad panda.
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On April 14 2013 04:01 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 04:00 Dandel Ion wrote:
Not-So-Nuclear Vote Count:
John Matrix (1): InsertSmurfHere
WaferofCheesecake (1): MockArmor
ShotgunBiceps (1): John Matrix
FondleMyButtocks (2): FiveTouch, Vivax420
Vivax420 (1): FondleMyButtocks
Not Voting (5): SamuelLJackson, Raynmaster, NeutralSrvivngBalrog, ShotgunBiceps, WaveofCheesecake
Message if wrong, 6 needed for lynch etc etc WTF Dandel. You make me a sad panda.
Believe it or not that was Wave.
On April 14 2013 03:58 MockArmor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 03:53 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 14 2013 03:48 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
None of that is indicative of anything whatsoever, Mocsta; CC and I have been talking throughout this conversation you've been having with him.
He's just writing stuff, possibly while high, and we have slightly differing views on what your conversation has meant thus far.
Let me go through it with you though, since you don't seem to understand his point of view:
First CC thought you were scummy, now he thinks you're town.
The quote where he says he never thought you were town? He meant before, you know, when he thought you were scummy.
What's the deal with you attempting to turn everything we say around on us though? I can't be sure of what CC thinks of you right now, but you've been null-leaning scum for me for ages, including now.
Just for clarification: I've (CC) been posting everything, and that one right up there ^ is Wave. We've been talking a lot about Mocsta. I thought he was suspect, then he explained a little, and i thought he wasn't anymore. Then Wave was like "Hey CC, that's probably scum Mocsta brohan" Interesting; I was dead certain I have been dialoguing with Wave this whole time. Until your other half spewed out "totes town" Doesnt matter though: because Im not evaluating who said what. I am evaluating what the hydra said. And that has been quite clear.
Well you quoted a bunch of stuff that said I thought you were null / scummy, and not really town. Then you quoted something completely out of context that said you were totes town. Then Something about you being paranoid which is true.
So, what's so bad about that?
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On April 14 2013 04:02 MockArmor wrote:
I pressured him for justification and he reciprocates by calling me town/watever.
Dat lie :3
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On April 14 2013 04:10 MockArmor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 04:02 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
Then you quoted something completely out of context that said you were totes town. No, nothing was out of context. Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 03:48 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
Mocsta; CC and I have been talking throughout this conversation you've been having with him. Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 03:53 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
We've been talking a lot about Mocsta. Whether you are in agreement or not; you both are clearly in sync with each others stance via the active QT discussion regarding MA. So no "totes town" was not taken out of context; and is a direct by product of the on-going dialogue between whoever I was speaking to for the past 2 hrs.
Can you not read?
On April 14 2013 03:19 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
Lol I'm so high. CC420... Anyway, Mocsta, you're making it really black and white; like I thought you were totes scum and now I think you're totes town.
In other words, that's what you're making it look like.
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Apparently I'm doing a real good job of sounding like Cheese this game or something?
Mocsta:
On April 14 2013 04:02 MockArmor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 03:51 ShotgunBiceps wrote:
Mock - what part of those quotes from CC are scummy? All that shows is that he changed his mind over time, which is completely non-allignment indicative.
This is the second really questionable read you're using this game. The first being a buddying read that you justified as legitimate since I used it once in a game I played almost a year ago (and my 2nd normal game to boot). Shotgun; have you been reading the whole conversation or just that final post with a vote? Secondly, what I chose to elucidate clearly demonstrates a mindset that has not changed its mind over time. There has been zero critical thought other than "my brain: something in there". I pressured him for justification and he reciprocates by calling me town/watever. Now they are blaming it on differeing thoughts between the two slots.
*Yet, say they have been talking about it themselves in the QT incessantly*----------------- As for your second comment. I don't know about the buddying read specifically; but you pinged my alarms early on too. So get over yourself.
Lol I didn't blame shit Mocsta.
I said we've been discussing but I don't really care what CC has brought to the thread with you; it's not necessarily indicative of my thoughts whatsoever, just his. You mentioned that we're in sync, and you're right about that. Our goal is to scumhunt and by me sitting back and letting Cheese spout off whatever he wants, whether we agree with each other or not right now, that's what we're doing.
You basically are saying the same thing regarding what happened with you and GK, are you not? The difference I see here is that GK hasn't answered for himself yet, but you've been trying to answer for him this whole time, and only just now mentioned that it's up to him when he gets back.
I await his return with glee.
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But apparently both heads agree on FMB somehow, despite both heads not being there to analyze SLJ's post.
-CC
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On April 14 2013 04:52 FondleMyButtocks wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 02:41 SamuelLJackson wrote:FondleMyButtocks looks suspicious. His bigger posts look constructed rather than free flowing and he isn't doing anything with his few other posts. Going after Vivax/kush hydra is fine, but his reasons look forced to me. On April 13 2013 21:16 FondleMyButtocks wrote:On April 13 2013 08:40 VIVAX420 wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote MockArmor
Almost forgot that the guy found joining the pre-game banter funny but when the game started he didn't feel that much like joking. Must be discussing stuff elsewhere! the soft calling of someone as scum through the idea of 'posting somewhere else' of course they are posting somewhere else. I got a qt in my role pm. You got a qt too. We all did, its a hydra game! Stupid way to phrase this, it feels like over justification. It's not "soft calling" when you throw your vote down and stupid does not equal mafia. It was a short, semi serious early game vote post with only one justification. Not at all an "over justification", there was only one reason for the vote. His other reasons for finding vivax420 suspicious look similarly manufactured. The way he words his case and frames vivax420's posts overall does not feel genuine and open-minded (e.g. "supposed to be 420's concise thoughts", "even gives us a lynchable list"). The random comment about wanting to "almost" lynch GK for tradition's sake also looks like kind of fluff mafia likes to add to their post. Phagga are you going to write that mockarmor case? Nope, not gonna write it. At the time when i said that to prom it was about how I felt that GKs posts were constructed, and missing pretty much the free flow that you also accuse prom of lacking. However, after rereading his filter in CT I was reminded that this just seems to be the way he posts. Also, Mocsta has since then added a lot to their filter, and I don't see how their behaviour is pushing a scum agenda. reading up on some filters, will post more in the next hour. Also, I wonder where NeutralSrvivingBalrog is. I'll reread some stuff and I'll be back with a few thoughts in the next hour.
What is a scum agenda before the 24h mark of a game? I've never been scum so I'm not really sure. Can anyone enlighten me?
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I did, but he's not around atm.
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Ok I aksed him! (PS The reason I asked for the rest of town input is so I could have a non-internal opinion, but whatever.)
What I've gleaned from CC's extensive scum knowledge is that scum want to do a bunch of things on D1:
Distance scumbuddies, look towny, lynch a towny, etc.
Of course I could argue that by voting us, MA is attempting to do all of these things, but that's not the point of this post.
What interests me more is that CC told me that it's difficult to pin down scum on D1 unless they're really 'blates,' as he put it, and that without a flip it's difficult to ascertain what a scum agenda is.
Hell why does scum even need to have a specific agenda on D1? If no one is suspecting them, and they don't feel threatened what agenda do they need to push?
That's why your post bother me a little, FnB. It's so much the fact that you soft defend MA, but it's HOW you do it, considering there is absolutely NO WAY you could possibly know if MA is pushing a scum agenda or not with his posting.
So what you're saying now is you don't want to write your promised case because it was based on just GK's filter (which was tiny) and entirely based on the flow of his posting? Ok, I suppose I understand but then it seems your case probably didn't have much of a leg to stand on to begin with if you could immediately look elsewhere and prove yourself wrong. Why bother to toss out suspicion and make a big deal about a case that wasn't solid or even written yet?
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EBWOP:
That's why your post bothers me a little, FnB. It's NOT so much the fact that you soft defend MA, but it's HOW you do it, considering there is absolutely NO WAY you could possibly know if MA is pushing a scum agenda or not with his posting.
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I'm pretty confident that yamato/geript are town. Not so much on vivax/kush.
~CC
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On April 14 2013 07:08 VIVAX420 wrote:
ger use smurf!
but I like how you pointed out that pushing a mislynch on hapa line. that is a scumslip imo.
lolwut? First of all that 'scumslip' was CC, not me. Second of all, wut? Third of all, oh boy, I get to look forward to Geript's shit scum reads on me all game long again that are based on absolutely nothing JUST for a change of pace from like, every other game I've been in with him. Does Yamato know you voted me?
Trust me geript, my heart is in it as much as it can be right now. GK isn't back so there's nothing for me to continue to push atm but I will. Good to see you've put a lot of effort into your read on me though.
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On April 14 2013 10:46 kushm4sta wrote:
WOW no you are going to continue to push MA? please please don't. Your back and forth shit up the thread so bad today. Do you realize how unpleasant it is trying to read through that?
lol I will do whatever the fuck I want. Besides the shitting up the thread part is usually on Mocsta's head, not mine. I want GK.
Do you realize how scummy it sounds when you ask me to not to pressure my scumread?
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Hey.
Use your hydra.
And what? MA kept trying to stop it??
HAHA did you read that conversation at all???
On April 14 2013 03:29 MockArmor wrote:WaveofCheeseThis is your line of thought in regards to my commentary Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 00:02 MockArmor wrote:
To expand on Hapa: We don't perceive him as scum; nor an entity to invest further time into this cycle. Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 02:46 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
it went from HAPA SUSPECT to HAPA TOWN pretty fast. Hence, you conclude I inferred town. Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 03:17 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
I'm not calling you scum, nor do I believe you are at this stage. It is more than reasonable to expect, you inferred we are town here. So what do we get? ============= Now, if you are town, I am not concerned whether you think I am town/null or whatever. What I am concerned about is, why you think what you do. So an answer such as this: Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 03:17 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
2.) My brain, something in there. Is certainly not good enough; and requires further clarity and explanation.In particular when the crux of the dialogue you initiated was: Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 01:13 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
Can you explain this, MA? You FoS Hapa because he has scum motivation for buddying me etc etc and is kinda scummy whatever. Then you call him town? Lets not be hypocritical. I look forward to your more detailed response.
On April 14 2013 02:43 MockArmor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 02:24 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:I'm not calling you scum, nor do I believe you are at this stage. + Show Spoiler [Blah blah] +]My point remains that FoS's in general are very noncomittal and, if you are scum, that is your way out, and the brief clause you provided to claim Hapa = town was fairly generic in flow with the thread.
"I understand the stance" = I know what your stance is on Hapa currently.
MA, what's your read on Rayn after all the "AHMIGERD GIMME READS" stuff? So you are not calling me scum; nor do you "believe" I am scum currently. So...Why are we going through this dance then? You know.. where you repeat the same things where the subtext infers you think the actions are scummy Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 01:42 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
Idk MockArmor, looks like you wanted to push a misslynch on Hapa, then he retaliated and you decided to give him a town read for appeasement. Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 01:59 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
Well, you go through the trouble of digging up something potentially scummy from Hapa and question him about it. After a few hours of lurking, you guys suddenly come to the conclusion that Hapa is probably town (or something to that effect) and deem him no longer worthy of pursing today. I understand the stance, but what I don't understand is why, if you have initial suspicions of Hapa, that you're willing to let him off the hook so easily and not entertain the possibility of investigating him this cycle. This certainly doesnt read as curious; the connotation is clearly negative, and designed to read as scummy actions. So WaveOfCheesecakeWhen did you read of us evolve to "not scum"
And what set it off; please walk me through this.
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On April 14 2013 11:02 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
Kush does look the townier of the two in this exchange, however.
WoC, why should we NOT lynch you?
Because we're town, obvs.
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On April 14 2013 11:04 VIVAX420 wrote:
@WoC he says multiple times: Im not going to respond to you anymore because I dont want to shit up the thread...conversation over...etc
He says it once, and then again before he actually does leave. Clearly you don't know Mocsta very well if you think he actually stops talking when he says he's going to.
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Let's begin.
On April 14 2013 11:49 MockArmor wrote:@WaveofCheesecake:I believe you said something about "waiting" for me? I'm here, so fire away. Your entire case for MockArmor being scum was for "shifting our read on Hapa from scum to town," or something like that. In reality I made it a point to call out Hapa for what I perceived as buddying with potential scum motive. What caught my eye is as town Hapa must have more justification for his read. The way he thought you were town with such little justification didn't make sense to me from a town persepective. Hapa then satisfactorily justified his townread to me. I had been through the rest of his filter and seen nothing else that was suspicious. So with that clarification, I moved on. Sure an FOS is a flimsier version of an actual vote, but what I was pursuing was one suspicious point. It wasn't enough to vote him for without further investigation. Like what were you expecting? Right after my exchange with Hapa I'd be like, "Before I thought you were totes scum (which wasn't the case), now I think you're totes town (Which isn't the case either. Definitely leaning town on Hapa, but he's nowhere near "confirmed town" to me or anything...). Didn't you criticize my counterpart for the exact same thing?: Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 03:19 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
Lol I'm so high. CC420... Anyway, Mocsta, you're making it really black and white; like I thought you were totes scum and now I think you're totes town. So here's a question for you: Would you care to "expound" on this Rayne read of yours? Plenty of time has past and from what I've seen you've still been caught up on your exchange with Mocsta. I understand to some extent "waiting" for people like me, but why even bother posting if you're not going to help contribute meaningfully to discussion? More on that in a little bit... Posting the quote as a reminder: Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 02:43 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:On April 14 2013 02:35 MockArmor wrote:On April 14 2013 02:24 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 14 2013 02:17 MockArmor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 01:59 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 14 2013 00:02 MockArmor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2013 23:54 raynmaster wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 13 2013 23:47 MockArmor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 13 2013 23:42 raynmaster wrote:On April 13 2013 23:35 MockArmor wrote:On April 13 2013 23:19 SamuelLJackson wrote:
Mocsta you didn't answer my question. Why did you attempt to make a big deal out of a person posting something that in essence looked like a confirmation post and a post implying that he was going to bed? The complaint in general feels false given that the game had just started and it doesn't seem like you could have genuinely felt frustrated by the state of things at the time of the post. The question should not be addressed to Mocsta. Regardless; I have been content with the posting of my partner.. I also believe the post you have chosen to bring attention is, contains a valid opinion of thread sentiment. Rather, I think it is you, who is choosing to elucidate matters of the minutiae to the fore. Why would you not want a player you are talking to in the first place to answer? Are you gonna try to get out of bad spot by letting your partner to answer a question directed to someone else? /rayn That answer was clearly written by Mocsta. As is this response. What is your point? Are you suggesting that I am able to elucidate the inate thoughts of GoodKarma at the time of writing? What i do know is that the post in question, shared the same sentiments I felt at the time. The thread was too spammy; too crazy; and too emotional. Hey do you have any reads? Or expand on your hapa read please. Yes, we have reads. To expand on Hapa: We don't perceive him as scum; nor an entity to invest further time into this cycle. + Show Spoiler +
In my opinion, town Hapa is quick to jump to conclusions, and just as quick to re-evaluate his reads and make his current stance visible. I think that occured today.
Well, you go through the trouble of digging up something potentially scummy from Hapa and question him about it. After a few hours of lurking, you guys suddenly come to the conclusion that Hapa is probably town (or something to that effect) and deem him no longer worthy of pursing today. I understand the stance, but what I don't understand is why, if you have initial suspicions of Hapa, that you're willing to let him off the hook so easily and not entertain the possibility of investigating him this cycle. Firstly, you have a keen enough eye to pay attention to our posts; yet, are not observant enough to notice that the early pressure on Hapa was solely GK. FYI, I entered the thread roughly 4 hours, caught up; gave my reads to GK. Let me quote him hhaha (cos i was surprised too) "I agree ironically with pretty much everything you've said".
Secondly, you have a very strong choice of words here Wave. "let him off the hook so easily" // "a few hours of lurking"; if I didnt know better, I would think you are calling me scum. Yet, I do not see a vote or a case for the accountability I was talking about earlier. To answer your question; I didnt think a ##FoS was hard pressure; thus enabling "letting off the hook easily".
Thirdly, (to address the crux of your concerns) you present your opinion as if reads are not subject to change. Why is this?I explained why I let Hapa off the hook in short. You still have not explained in detail what the dispute is?
Lastly, "I understand the stance" what does this actually mean? I'm not calling you scum, nor do I believe you are at this stage. [red]My point remains that FoS's in general are very noncomittal and, if you are scum, that is your way out, and the brief clause you provided to claim Hapa = town was fairly generic in flow with the thread. "I understand the stance" = I know what your stance is on Hapa currently. MA, what's your read on Rayn after all the "AHMIGERD GIMME READS" stuff? Thank you for admitting: you are looking purely at the action (FoS). It doesnt matter what you think it "scummy in general'. What matters is whether you think GK motives were scummy. Lets apply some critical thought: Do you think the manner GK maintained dialogue is indicative of someone trying to be non-committal; someone trying not to discern alignment; someone not trying to figure out the game? ------------------------------------------- Secondly, and the brief clause you provided to claim Hapa = town was fairly generic in flow with the thread. Are you suggesting, because I happen to agree with a 'flow in the thread' that I become scummish in conjuction with an old FoS? Are you suggesting, it is scummy for reads to be re-evaluated? ------------------------------------------- Lastly, I am still waiting for Rayn to reply back. Dialogue onus is currently on him. What do you make of Rayn; since you seem to be carrying his torch. - I do believe he was the one that questioned me originally regarding Hapa, ironically telling me we had voted him; when in fact it was just an FoS. I am suggesting that scum tend to re-evaluate their 'reads' very quickly. Reading your filter it seemed like 'shit, Hapa totes suspicious", then a post or two later was 'nah, Hapa probs town". I think you've cleared it up nicely, however. In terms of Raynmaster, he seems to jump on things really quickly. In your discourse with him (fuck, did I just use the word discourse?) I believe he came off scummier. Will expound in time. -GK
Feasible explanation of the Hapa business. CC isn't here and we actually haven't discussed Rayn at all, though I can tell you that RaynMaster is not on CC's list of townreads.
On April 14 2013 12:14 MockArmor wrote:So some of the posts that have stuck out for me, as previously promised.: Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 04:54 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:On April 14 2013 04:52 FondleMyButtocks wrote:On April 14 2013 02:41 SamuelLJackson wrote:FondleMyButtocks looks suspicious. His bigger posts look constructed rather than free flowing and he isn't doing anything with his few other posts. Going after Vivax/kush hydra is fine, but his reasons look forced to me. On April 13 2013 21:16 FondleMyButtocks wrote:On April 13 2013 08:40 VIVAX420 wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote MockArmor
Almost forgot that the guy found joining the pre-game banter funny but when the game started he didn't feel that much like joking. Must be discussing stuff elsewhere! the soft calling of someone as scum through the idea of 'posting somewhere else' of course they are posting somewhere else. I got a qt in my role pm. You got a qt too. We all did, its a hydra game! Stupid way to phrase this, it feels like over justification. It's not "soft calling" when you throw your vote down and stupid does not equal mafia. It was a short, semi serious early game vote post with only one justification. Not at all an "over justification", there was only one reason for the vote. His other reasons for finding vivax420 suspicious look similarly manufactured. The way he words his case and frames vivax420's posts overall does not feel genuine and open-minded (e.g. "supposed to be 420's concise thoughts", "even gives us a lynchable list"). The random comment about wanting to "almost" lynch GK for tradition's sake also looks like kind of fluff mafia likes to add to their post. Phagga are you going to write that mockarmor case? Nope, not gonna write it. At the time when i said that to prom it was about how I felt that GKs posts were constructed, and missing pretty much the free flow that you also accuse prom of lacking. However, after rereading his filter in CT I was reminded that this just seems to be the way he posts. Also, Mocsta has since then added a lot to their filter, and I don't see how their behaviour is pushing a scum agenda. reading up on some filters, will post more in the next hour. Also, I wonder where NeutralSrvivingBalrog is. I'll reread some stuff and I'll be back with a few thoughts in the next hour. What is a scum agenda before the 24h mark of a game? I've never been scum so I'm not really sure. Can anyone enlighten me? Comments like this. Like maybe in a normal mafia game where no one can communicate with each other could I see this, but in a hydra game where you have a buddy to tell you this shit there's NO EXCUSE for shitting up the thread with this. Of course there is an 'excuse,' and I explained it previously. I was specifically asking for thread sentiment as to what a 'scum agenda' might be so I might have an opinion that's not entirely eternal, and maybe learn something about the people answering in the process. Just because you think something is shitting up the thread and you feeling like clinging to current thread sentiment that that's what we're doing doesn't makes it true.You then go on to post even more meaningless crap that isn't scumhunting.: Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 10:48 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:On April 14 2013 10:46 kushm4sta wrote:
WOW no you are going to continue to push MA? please please don't. Your back and forth shit up the thread so bad today. Do you realize how unpleasant it is trying to read through that? lol I will do whatever the fuck I want. Besides the shitting up the thread part is usually on Mocsta's head, not mine. I want GK. Do you realize how scummy it sounds when you ask me to not to pressure my scumread? Hi there. I'm WaveofCheesecake. Oh darn my scumread's not here. Need to keep waiting for him instead of expounding on Rayne who I've conveniently forgotten... THERE'S NO SCUMHUNTING HERE. This was actually done twice in quick succession. Only like a few minutes prior.: First of all, STOP FUCKING USING THE WORD, EXPOUND; IT'S SO AGGRAVATING. As far as Rayn goes, I haven't conveniently forgotten shit. I'm studying for 8 exams atm, and since CC and I never explicitly discussed him in QT, I haven't thought about him at all. Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 10:43 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:On April 14 2013 07:08 VIVAX420 wrote:
ger use smurf!
but I like how you pointed out that pushing a mislynch on hapa line. that is a scumslip imo. lolwut? First of all that 'scumslip' was CC, not me. Second of all, wut? Third of all, oh boy, I get to look forward to Geript's shit scum reads on me all game long again that are based on absolutely nothing JUST for a change of pace from like, every other game I've been in with him. Does Yamato know you voted me? Trust me geript, my heart is in it as much as it can be right now. GK isn't back so there's nothing for me to continue to push atm but I will. Good to see you've put a lot of effort into your read on me though. Like, you know, maybe pursue Rayne or some of those other scumreads you must have while you wait? You're doing a darn good job of remaining active in thread while not contributing much of anything except maybe a few points here and there in your own defense... Instead, let's make more pointless posts.: Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 11:03 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:On April 14 2013 11:02 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
Kush does look the townier of the two in this exchange, however.
WoC, why should we NOT lynch you? Because we're town, obvs. O rly? Clearly you're town. Because you're like SO acting like it... If you plan on convincing us you're town you'd better start actually pushing cases and scumreads. Instead of shitting up thread and "waiting" on people, be it your partner or a scumread. There's three scum right now, and you should have no problem posting stuff without first consulting your partner, so there's like zero reason why as town you should feel compelled to behave as you guys are right now. I'm not shitting up the thread, and once again, I can scumhunt however the fuck I feel. I don't respond to threats, and I honestly don't care if one of my current scumreads is voting for me right now. I don't honestly see what's scummy about specifically waiting for some sort of closure on a read I have before moving on, ESPECIALLY if I'm particularly busy IRL atm. You don't want me shitting up the thread? Posting random reads on other people like that giant fucking summary post seems a lot shittier to me than what I've been doing, and I don't feel like making random reads/lists just because someone doesn't feel I've done enough to them.
Read the bolded for my responses to you. Now GK, have you talked with Mocsta at all? I assume you find as scummy as he does? Why or why not, specifically? Your summary of our behaviour thus far is really just a summary of what others have said before and has added nothing new; 'shitting up the thread' and 'not posting reads' came from kush.
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On April 14 2013 13:39 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 13:34 InsertSmurfHere wrote:
For just being a summary of what other people have said, why haven't you responded to it at all? You're not defending yourself, you don't seem to be scum hunting, your actions haven't been portraying a town mindset. Yet you seek to neither address any of that nor correct any of that. Um...if you actually read my posts and my earlier ones, you'd see that I did respond to the allegations. I have been scumhunting all game despite what people want to believe; just because I choose to focus my attention one person does not mean I'm not scumhunting. I already explained why I don't have a read on Rayn yet---it wasn't mine to begin with and I haven't looked elsewhere as of yet as I'm very busy atm. There is nothing wrong with my actions at all, and I'm not seeing what you find scummy about them. Just because I don't feel like posting a bunch of useless reads on a whole list of people without the time to actually delve into some filters (which is all you'd get right now if you really want it) does not make my actions scummy in the slightest.
On April 14 2013 13:41 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 13:36 MockArmor wrote:On April 14 2013 13:18 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
You don't want me shitting up the thread? Posting random reads on other people like that giant fucking summary post seems a lot shittier to me than what I've been doing, and I don't feel like making random reads/lists just because someone doesn't feel I've done enough to them.
If you feel so strongly about this; why have you not pursued the giant fucking summary post originator? Instead you continue to make posts saying: Im playing with my dick in the thread, because GK isn't here. As GK said, there are 3 scum in the game. OK, you have us as a scum read, awesome. If we are not present; why are you not trying to put effort into looking for the other 2. Further, so it is CC who has a scum read on Rayn; no worries, I can wait for that. What is *your* opinion on Rayn. (moc) Show nested quote +On April 14 2013 11:12 InsertSmurfHere wrote:On April 14 2013 11:05 John Matrix wrote:
It's extremely informative about my thought process in the early pages of the game, with detailed explanations on what is going on from my perspective.
Sure, if you're a lazy fuck and don't want to read it then it's not useful, but I think I've made some good progress with that post. It's a fucking summary post, I am not impressed whatsoever. I could write that as scum a million times over.Vivax is also not a good scum read in my opinion. This is why, I haven't pursued him. I don't have more to add to that point atm, and I can honestly say diving into that pile of horseshit is about as appealing to me as arguing with you for three more hours. If you want my read on Rayn you're going to have to wait a little while. [/b]
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A cursory read through Rayn's filter shows that Oats finds Mocsta scummy; since I have come to the same conclusions I'd be interested in discussing this with him. I personally don't find RM(hydra) scummy in the slightest.
Any other reads from him atm would be nice too.
Hell while I'm posting a whole bunch of old reads just to appease the masses, why not my read on DP/Palmar?
Palmar I have very little insight into, but (barring the very beginning of The Game) I'm pretty sure I can tell when DP is town, and so far he hasn't given me very much to work with. I am not a huge fan of the 'confirmed town' status though I admit it makes sense to me and I expressed my feelings as such to CC. I think this game is going to be a very good indication as to whether or not my meta reads have improved at all, despite it being a Hydra game.
John Matrix, finished reading the thread yet? I'm interested to see where FnB, MA, and I fall on your red/green scale.
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I don't have the time for this now; if I feel it's appropriate I will post the meta case I have on Mocsta tomorrow. I can't be drawin into a million-hour discussion with Mocsta atm; I have too much work to do. The whole point of CC's discussion with Mocsta (for me) was to keep him talking so I could find out more. I don't care what the rest of town thinks about that conversation; the two of us know what we're doing.
And where the fuck are you getting that I have to check everything through with CC? All I said was I don't know why he finds Rayn scummy because we never discussed it.
Actually fuck it, I'll post the short form without proof atm; that'll have to be enough for now. If my meta reads are still shit then they're shit but that's why I wanted to hear more from GK---I'm not 100% cemented on my scumread/meta read and I was hoping GK could confirm in for me one way or another, which it hasn't.
In short, two things. At the time of be making my meta case, Mocsta had already posted a ton without calling anyone scummy; just making careful posts and not giving a solid read on anyone. This is indicative of his early game scum play from both NMM 37 and Hydra I. As town he throws out reads left and right constantly and ACTUALLY MAKES CASES to follow up with his reads and endless lines of questioning, which he hasn't done here. He votes for us here without actually even calling us scum---obviously amounts to the same thing but rubs me the wrong way.
Another random interesting meta tidbit to mention is Mocsta often enters a thread with much fanfare and hysteria, regardless of alignment (though MORE likely to do so as town.)
Hydra mini I (scum) - was there when the game started, lots of trolling, lots of joking around.
The Game (town) - replaced sandro after a day or so, lots of joking, calling people scum, whatnot.
Nomination (town) - jovial lighthearted posting style, throwing votes and shit around at game entry.
NMM 37 (scum) - Enters the thread with lighthearted tone and RNG fluff.
This game he was not around when the game started, and you'll notice he did NOT joke around at all, rather he got supersrs right from the get-go. I believe this is because entering a game late as scum, he missed the 'permissible first few hours joking-around period' and doesn't want to start fooling around when people are actually having discussion for fear he will look scummy for trying to derail. NOTE: He had NO problem joking around in the middle of The Game when he entered because he was town and had no reason to be afraid or look guilty.
Make of this case what you will for now. I might be able to expand on it further with better proof (especially since people are unlikely to go sifting through his meta themselves). CC was asking me to post this much earlier when the discussion was happening but I didn't want to derail trying to learn what I could at the time. I figure it's better out than in right now especially given thread sentiment. I'm going to attempt to study then go to bed but I might be able to check back on the thread a couple more times.
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