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WaveOfCheesecake
Profile Joined April 2013
109 Posts
April 13 2013 16:16 GMT
#580
On April 14 2013 01:15 raynmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2013 01:13 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:

Rayn: That's Mocsta for you.


Yeah im Oats

/oats



I actually knew it was you but was referring to the hydra name :p
WaveOfCheesecake
Profile Joined April 2013
109 Posts
April 13 2013 16:28 GMT
#584
On April 14 2013 01:27 DarthPunk wrote:
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On April 14 2013 01:21 DarthPunk wrote:
On April 13 2013 16:30 ShotgunBiceps wrote:
As for Palmar/DP, not convinced yet. Palmar is being Palmar, and while DP's activity leaves me a bit wanting, that's about all I can say about him.


Ok once again this started on a saturday so i was busy being social. The same exact thing happened recently in one of my last town games with a corresponding drop in activity. I see we have attracted a few votes. please don't be silly. reading the thread now etc but bear in mind its 2 30 in the morning and i can't do much before bed.


this was DP.


LOL
WaveOfCheesecake
Profile Joined April 2013
109 Posts
April 13 2013 16:42 GMT
#588
Idk MockArmor, looks like you wanted to push a misslynch on Hapa, then he retaliated and you decided to give him a town read for appeasement.
WaveOfCheesecake
Profile Joined April 2013
109 Posts
April 13 2013 16:59 GMT
#593
On April 14 2013 00:02 MockArmor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2013 23:54 raynmaster wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On April 13 2013 23:47 MockArmor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2013 23:42 raynmaster wrote:
On April 13 2013 23:35 MockArmor wrote:
On April 13 2013 23:19 SamuelLJackson wrote:
Mocsta you didn't answer my question. Why did you attempt to make a big deal out of a person posting something that in essence looked like a confirmation post and a post implying that he was going to bed? The complaint in general feels false given that the game had just started and it doesn't seem like you could have genuinely felt frustrated by the state of things at the time of the post.

The question should not be addressed to Mocsta.

Regardless; I have been content with the posting of my partner..

I also believe the post you have chosen to bring attention is, contains a valid opinion of thread sentiment.

Rather, I think it is you, who is choosing to elucidate matters of the minutiae to the fore.

Why would you not want a player you are talking to in the first place to answer?
Are you gonna try to get out of bad spot by letting your partner to answer a question directed to someone else?

/rayn

That answer was clearly written by Mocsta.

As is this response.

What is your point?

Are you suggesting that I am able to elucidate the inate thoughts of GoodKarma at the time of writing?

What i do know is that the post in question, shared the same sentiments I felt at the time.
The thread was too spammy; too crazy; and too emotional.

Hey do you have any reads? Or expand on your hapa read please.
Yes, we have reads.

To expand on Hapa: We don't perceive him as scum; nor an entity to invest further time into this cycle.

+ Show Spoiler +

In my opinion, town Hapa is quick to jump to conclusions, and just as quick to re-evaluate his reads and make his current stance visible. I think that occured today.


Well, you go through the trouble of digging up something potentially scummy from Hapa and question him about it. After a few hours of lurking, you guys suddenly come to the conclusion that Hapa is probably town (or something to that effect) and deem him no longer worthy of pursing today. I understand the stance, but what I don't understand is why, if you have initial suspicions of Hapa, that you're willing to let him off the hook so easily and not entertain the possibility of investigating him this cycle.
WaveOfCheesecake
Profile Joined April 2013
109 Posts
April 13 2013 17:24 GMT
#595
On April 14 2013 02:17 MockArmor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2013 01:59 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On April 14 2013 00:02 MockArmor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2013 23:54 raynmaster wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On April 13 2013 23:47 MockArmor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2013 23:42 raynmaster wrote:
On April 13 2013 23:35 MockArmor wrote:
On April 13 2013 23:19 SamuelLJackson wrote:
Mocsta you didn't answer my question. Why did you attempt to make a big deal out of a person posting something that in essence looked like a confirmation post and a post implying that he was going to bed? The complaint in general feels false given that the game had just started and it doesn't seem like you could have genuinely felt frustrated by the state of things at the time of the post.

The question should not be addressed to Mocsta.

Regardless; I have been content with the posting of my partner..

I also believe the post you have chosen to bring attention is, contains a valid opinion of thread sentiment.

Rather, I think it is you, who is choosing to elucidate matters of the minutiae to the fore.

Why would you not want a player you are talking to in the first place to answer?
Are you gonna try to get out of bad spot by letting your partner to answer a question directed to someone else?

/rayn

That answer was clearly written by Mocsta.

As is this response.

What is your point?

Are you suggesting that I am able to elucidate the inate thoughts of GoodKarma at the time of writing?

What i do know is that the post in question, shared the same sentiments I felt at the time.
The thread was too spammy; too crazy; and too emotional.

Hey do you have any reads? Or expand on your hapa read please.
Yes, we have reads.

To expand on Hapa: We don't perceive him as scum; nor an entity to invest further time into this cycle.

+ Show Spoiler +

In my opinion, town Hapa is quick to jump to conclusions, and just as quick to re-evaluate his reads and make his current stance visible. I think that occured today.

Well, you go through the trouble of digging up something potentially scummy from Hapa and question him about it. After a few hours of lurking, you guys suddenly come to the conclusion that Hapa is probably town (or something to that effect) and deem him no longer worthy of pursing today. I understand the stance, but what I don't understand is why, if you have initial suspicions of Hapa, that you're willing to let him off the hook so easily and not entertain the possibility of investigating him this cycle.

Firstly, you have a keen enough eye to pay attention to our posts; yet, are not observant enough to notice that the early pressure on Hapa was solely GK.
FYI,
I entered the thread roughly 4 hours, caught up; gave my reads to GK.
Let me quote him hhaha (cos i was surprised too)
"I agree ironically with pretty much everything you've said".


Secondly, you have a very strong choice of words here Wave.
"let him off the hook so easily" // "a few hours of lurking"; if I didnt know better, I would think you are calling me scum. Yet, I do not see a vote or a case for the accountability I was talking about earlier.

To answer your question; I didnt think a ##FoS was hard pressure; thus enabling "letting off the hook easily".


Thirdly, (to address the crux of your concerns) you present your opinion as if reads are not subject to change.
Why is this?
I explained why I let Hapa off the hook in short. You still have not explained in detail what the dispute is?


Lastly, "I understand the stance" what does this actually mean?


I'm not calling you scum, nor do I believe you are at this stage. My point remains that FoS's in general are very noncomittal and, if you are scum, that is your way out, and the brief clause you provided to claim Hapa = town was fairly generic in flow with the thread.

"I understand the stance" = I know what your stance is on Hapa currently.

MA, what's your read on Rayn after all the "AHMIGERD GIMME READS" stuff?
WaveOfCheesecake
Profile Joined April 2013
109 Posts
April 13 2013 17:28 GMT
#596
By Rayn I mean Raynmaster
WaveOfCheesecake
Profile Joined April 2013
109 Posts
April 13 2013 17:43 GMT
#600
On April 14 2013 02:35 MockArmor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2013 02:24 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On April 14 2013 02:17 MockArmor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2013 01:59 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On April 14 2013 00:02 MockArmor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2013 23:54 raynmaster wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On April 13 2013 23:47 MockArmor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2013 23:42 raynmaster wrote:
On April 13 2013 23:35 MockArmor wrote:
On April 13 2013 23:19 SamuelLJackson wrote:
Mocsta you didn't answer my question. Why did you attempt to make a big deal out of a person posting something that in essence looked like a confirmation post and a post implying that he was going to bed? The complaint in general feels false given that the game had just started and it doesn't seem like you could have genuinely felt frustrated by the state of things at the time of the post.

The question should not be addressed to Mocsta.

Regardless; I have been content with the posting of my partner..

I also believe the post you have chosen to bring attention is, contains a valid opinion of thread sentiment.

Rather, I think it is you, who is choosing to elucidate matters of the minutiae to the fore.

Why would you not want a player you are talking to in the first place to answer?
Are you gonna try to get out of bad spot by letting your partner to answer a question directed to someone else?

/rayn

That answer was clearly written by Mocsta.

As is this response.

What is your point?

Are you suggesting that I am able to elucidate the inate thoughts of GoodKarma at the time of writing?

What i do know is that the post in question, shared the same sentiments I felt at the time.
The thread was too spammy; too crazy; and too emotional.

Hey do you have any reads? Or expand on your hapa read please.
Yes, we have reads.

To expand on Hapa: We don't perceive him as scum; nor an entity to invest further time into this cycle.

+ Show Spoiler +

In my opinion, town Hapa is quick to jump to conclusions, and just as quick to re-evaluate his reads and make his current stance visible. I think that occured today.

Well, you go through the trouble of digging up something potentially scummy from Hapa and question him about it. After a few hours of lurking, you guys suddenly come to the conclusion that Hapa is probably town (or something to that effect) and deem him no longer worthy of pursing today. I understand the stance, but what I don't understand is why, if you have initial suspicions of Hapa, that you're willing to let him off the hook so easily and not entertain the possibility of investigating him this cycle.

Firstly, you have a keen enough eye to pay attention to our posts; yet, are not observant enough to notice that the early pressure on Hapa was solely GK.
FYI,
I entered the thread roughly 4 hours, caught up; gave my reads to GK.
Let me quote him hhaha (cos i was surprised too)
"I agree ironically with pretty much everything you've said".


Secondly, you have a very strong choice of words here Wave.
"let him off the hook so easily" // "a few hours of lurking"; if I didnt know better, I would think you are calling me scum. Yet, I do not see a vote or a case for the accountability I was talking about earlier.

To answer your question; I didnt think a ##FoS was hard pressure; thus enabling "letting off the hook easily".


Thirdly, (to address the crux of your concerns) you present your opinion as if reads are not subject to change.
Why is this?
I explained why I let Hapa off the hook in short. You still have not explained in detail what the dispute is?


Lastly, "I understand the stance" what does this actually mean?


I'm not calling you scum, nor do I believe you are at this stage. [red]My point remains that FoS's in general are very noncomittal and, if you are scum, that is your way out,
and the brief clause you provided to claim Hapa = town was fairly generic in flow with the thread.

"I understand the stance" = I know what your stance is on Hapa currently.

MA, what's your read on Rayn after all the "AHMIGERD GIMME READS" stuff?

Thank you for admitting: you are looking purely at the action (FoS).

It doesnt matter what you think it "scummy in general'. What matters is whether you think GK motives were scummy.

Lets apply some critical thought:
Do you think the manner GK maintained dialogue is indicative of someone trying to be non-committal; someone trying not to discern alignment; someone not trying to figure out the game?

-------------------------------------------
Secondly,
Show nested quote +
and the brief clause you provided to claim Hapa = town was fairly generic in flow with the thread.

Are you suggesting, because I happen to agree with a 'flow in the thread' that I become scummish in conjuction with an old FoS? Are you suggesting, it is scummy for reads to be re-evaluated?

-------------------------------------------
Lastly, I am still waiting for Rayn to reply back. Dialogue onus is currently on him.

What do you make of Rayn; since you seem to be carrying his torch. - I do believe he was the one that questioned me originally regarding Hapa, ironically telling me we had voted him; when in fact it was just an FoS.


I am suggesting that scum tend to re-evaluate their 'reads' very quickly. Reading your filter it seemed like 'shit, Hapa totes suspicious", then a post or two later was 'nah, Hapa probs town". I think you've cleared it up nicely, however.

In terms of Raynmaster, he seems to jump on things really quickly. In your discourse with him (fuck, did I just use the word discourse?) I believe he came off scummier. Will expound in time.
WaveOfCheesecake
Profile Joined April 2013
109 Posts
April 13 2013 17:46 GMT
#601
On April 14 2013 02:43 MockArmor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2013 02:24 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
I'm not calling you scum, nor do I believe you are at this stage.

+ Show Spoiler [Blah blah] +
]My point remains that FoS's in general are very noncomittal and, if you are scum, that is your way out, and the brief clause you provided to claim Hapa = town was fairly generic in flow with the thread.

"I understand the stance" = I know what your stance is on Hapa currently.

MA, what's your read on Rayn after all the "AHMIGERD GIMME READS" stuff?
So you are not calling me scum; nor do you "believe" I am scum currently.

So...Why are we going through this dance then?
You know.. where you repeat the same things where the subtext infers you think the actions are scummy

Show nested quote +
On April 14 2013 01:42 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
Idk MockArmor, looks like you wanted to push a misslynch on Hapa, then he retaliated and you decided to give him a town read for appeasement.
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2013 01:59 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
Well, you go through the trouble of digging up something potentially scummy from Hapa and question him about it. After a few hours of lurking, you guys suddenly come to the conclusion that Hapa is probably town (or something to that effect) and deem him no longer worthy of pursing today. I understand the stance, but what I don't understand is why, if you have initial suspicions of Hapa, that you're willing to let him off the hook so easily and not entertain the possibility of investigating him this cycle.

This certainly doesnt read as curious; the connotation is clearly negative, and designed to read as scummy actions.

So WaveOfCheesecake
When did you read of us evolve to "not scum"
And what set it off; please walk me through this.


I have a really critical tone regardless of alignment. From what it looked like in your filter (I wasn't paying attention to who was talking, just the smurf), it went from HAPA SUSPECT to HAPA TOWN pretty fast. Looked like you got scared and just stopped. But apparently it's just you coming in and telling GK to stop being wrong?
WaveOfCheesecake
Profile Joined April 2013
109 Posts
April 13 2013 18:08 GMT
#607
On April 14 2013 03:00 VIVAX420 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2013 02:24 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
On April 14 2013 02:17 MockArmor wrote:
On April 14 2013 01:59 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On April 14 2013 00:02 MockArmor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2013 23:54 raynmaster wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On April 13 2013 23:47 MockArmor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2013 23:42 raynmaster wrote:
On April 13 2013 23:35 MockArmor wrote:
On April 13 2013 23:19 SamuelLJackson wrote:
Mocsta you didn't answer my question. Why did you attempt to make a big deal out of a person posting something that in essence looked like a confirmation post and a post implying that he was going to bed? The complaint in general feels false given that the game had just started and it doesn't seem like you could have genuinely felt frustrated by the state of things at the time of the post.

The question should not be addressed to Mocsta.

Regardless; I have been content with the posting of my partner..

I also believe the post you have chosen to bring attention is, contains a valid opinion of thread sentiment.

Rather, I think it is you, who is choosing to elucidate matters of the minutiae to the fore.

Why would you not want a player you are talking to in the first place to answer?
Are you gonna try to get out of bad spot by letting your partner to answer a question directed to someone else?

/rayn

That answer was clearly written by Mocsta.

As is this response.

What is your point?

Are you suggesting that I am able to elucidate the inate thoughts of GoodKarma at the time of writing?

What i do know is that the post in question, shared the same sentiments I felt at the time.
The thread was too spammy; too crazy; and too emotional.

Hey do you have any reads? Or expand on your hapa read please.
Yes, we have reads.

To expand on Hapa: We don't perceive him as scum; nor an entity to invest further time into this cycle.

+ Show Spoiler +

In my opinion, town Hapa is quick to jump to conclusions, and just as quick to re-evaluate his reads and make his current stance visible. I think that occured today.

Well, you go through the trouble of digging up something potentially scummy from Hapa and question him about it. After a few hours of lurking, you guys suddenly come to the conclusion that Hapa is probably town (or something to that effect) and deem him no longer worthy of pursing today. I understand the stance, but what I don't understand is why, if you have initial suspicions of Hapa, that you're willing to let him off the hook so easily and not entertain the possibility of investigating him this cycle.

Firstly, you have a keen enough eye to pay attention to our posts; yet, are not observant enough to notice that the early pressure on Hapa was solely GK.
FYI,
I entered the thread roughly 4 hours, caught up; gave my reads to GK.
Let me quote him hhaha (cos i was surprised too)
"I agree ironically with pretty much everything you've said".


Secondly, you have a very strong choice of words here Wave.
"let him off the hook so easily" // "a few hours of lurking"; if I didnt know better, I would think you are calling me scum. Yet, I do not see a vote or a case for the accountability I was talking about earlier.

To answer your question; I didnt think a ##FoS was hard pressure; thus enabling "letting off the hook easily".


Thirdly, (to address the crux of your concerns) you present your opinion as if reads are not subject to change.
Why is this?
I explained why I let Hapa off the hook in short. You still have not explained in detail what the dispute is?


Lastly, "I understand the stance" what does this actually mean?


I'm not calling you scum, nor do I believe you are at this stage. My point remains that FoS's in general are very noncomittal and, if you are scum, that is your way out, and the brief clause you provided to claim Hapa = town was fairly generic in flow with the thread.

"I understand the stance" = I know what your stance is on Hapa currently.

MA, what's your read on Rayn after all the "AHMIGERD GIMME READS" stuff?


Then why are you talking?


To get a read on a null tell.
WaveOfCheesecake
Profile Joined April 2013
109 Posts
April 13 2013 18:17 GMT
#608
On April 14 2013 03:00 MockArmor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2013 02:43 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On April 14 2013 02:35 MockArmor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2013 02:24 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On April 14 2013 02:17 MockArmor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2013 01:59 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On April 14 2013 00:02 MockArmor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2013 23:54 raynmaster wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On April 13 2013 23:47 MockArmor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2013 23:42 raynmaster wrote:
On April 13 2013 23:35 MockArmor wrote:
On April 13 2013 23:19 SamuelLJackson wrote:
Mocsta you didn't answer my question. Why did you attempt to make a big deal out of a person posting something that in essence looked like a confirmation post and a post implying that he was going to bed? The complaint in general feels false given that the game had just started and it doesn't seem like you could have genuinely felt frustrated by the state of things at the time of the post.

The question should not be addressed to Mocsta.

Regardless; I have been content with the posting of my partner..

I also believe the post you have chosen to bring attention is, contains a valid opinion of thread sentiment.

Rather, I think it is you, who is choosing to elucidate matters of the minutiae to the fore.

Why would you not want a player you are talking to in the first place to answer?
Are you gonna try to get out of bad spot by letting your partner to answer a question directed to someone else?

/rayn

That answer was clearly written by Mocsta.

As is this response.

What is your point?

Are you suggesting that I am able to elucidate the inate thoughts of GoodKarma at the time of writing?

What i do know is that the post in question, shared the same sentiments I felt at the time.
The thread was too spammy; too crazy; and too emotional.

Hey do you have any reads? Or expand on your hapa read please.
Yes, we have reads.

To expand on Hapa: We don't perceive him as scum; nor an entity to invest further time into this cycle.

+ Show Spoiler +

In my opinion, town Hapa is quick to jump to conclusions, and just as quick to re-evaluate his reads and make his current stance visible. I think that occured today.

Well, you go through the trouble of digging up something potentially scummy from Hapa and question him about it. After a few hours of lurking, you guys suddenly come to the conclusion that Hapa is probably town (or something to that effect) and deem him no longer worthy of pursing today. I understand the stance, but what I don't understand is why, if you have initial suspicions of Hapa, that you're willing to let him off the hook so easily and not entertain the possibility of investigating him this cycle.

Firstly, you have a keen enough eye to pay attention to our posts; yet, are not observant enough to notice that the early pressure on Hapa was solely GK.
FYI,
I entered the thread roughly 4 hours, caught up; gave my reads to GK.
Let me quote him hhaha (cos i was surprised too)
"I agree ironically with pretty much everything you've said".


Secondly, you have a very strong choice of words here Wave.
"let him off the hook so easily" // "a few hours of lurking"; if I didnt know better, I would think you are calling me scum. Yet, I do not see a vote or a case for the accountability I was talking about earlier.

To answer your question; I didnt think a ##FoS was hard pressure; thus enabling "letting off the hook easily".


Thirdly, (to address the crux of your concerns) you present your opinion as if reads are not subject to change.
Why is this?
I explained why I let Hapa off the hook in short. You still have not explained in detail what the dispute is?


Lastly, "I understand the stance" what does this actually mean?


I'm not calling you scum, nor do I believe you are at this stage. My point remains that FoS's in general are very noncomittal and, if you are scum, that is your way out,
and the brief clause you provided to claim Hapa = town was fairly generic in flow with the thread.

"I understand the stance" = I know what your stance is on Hapa currently.

MA, what's your read on Rayn after all the "AHMIGERD GIMME READS" stuff?

Thank you for admitting: you are looking purely at the action (FoS).

It doesnt matter what you think it "scummy in general'. What matters is whether you think GK motives were scummy.

Lets apply some critical thought:
Do you think the manner GK maintained dialogue is indicative of someone trying to be non-committal; someone trying not to discern alignment; someone not trying to figure out the game?

-------------------------------------------
Secondly,
Show nested quote +
and the brief clause you provided to claim Hapa = town was fairly generic in flow with the thread.

Are you suggesting, because I happen to agree with a 'flow in the thread' that I become scummish in conjuction with an old FoS? Are you suggesting, it is scummy for reads to be re-evaluated?

-------------------------------------------
Lastly, I am still waiting for Rayn to reply back. Dialogue onus is currently on him.

What do you make of Rayn; since you seem to be carrying his torch. - I do believe he was the one that questioned me originally regarding Hapa, ironically telling me we had voted him; when in fact it was just an FoS.

I am suggesting that scum tend to re-evaluate their 'reads' very quickly. Reading your filter it seemed like 'shit, Hapa totes suspicious", then a post or two later was 'nah, Hapa probs town". [red]I think you've cleared it up nicely, however.

Actually, I dont think anything has been cleared.

I did not explain a single action: instead, I threw it back to you to prove your stance.
Show nested quote +
Lets apply some critical thought:
Do you think the manner GK maintained dialogue is indicative of someone trying to be non-committal; someone trying not to discern alignment; someone not trying to figure out the game?
We dont get any resemblance of applying that critical though; yet, the opinion has changed.
Any reason you are shying away from this?

Let me remind you of an important quote, you might even recognise the originator
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On April 14 2013 02:43 xxx wrote:
I am suggesting that scum tend to re-evaluate their 'reads' very quickly.

This ties in quite nicely with your recent post
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On April 14 2013 02:43 MockArmor wrote:
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On April 14 2013 02:24 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
I'm not calling you scum, nor do I believe you are at this stage.

+ Show Spoiler [Blah blah] +
]My point remains that FoS's in general are very noncomittal and, if you are scum, that is your way out, and the brief clause you provided to claim Hapa = town was fairly generic in flow with the thread.

"I understand the stance" = I know what your stance is on Hapa currently.

MA, what's your read on Rayn after all the "AHMIGERD GIMME READS" stuff?
So you are not calling me scum; nor do you "believe" I am scum currently.

So...Why are we going through this dance then?
You know.. where you repeat the same things where the subtext infers you think the actions are scummy

On April 14 2013 01:42 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
Idk MockArmor, looks like you wanted to push a misslynch on Hapa, then he retaliated and you decided to give him a town read for appeasement.
On April 14 2013 01:59 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
Well, you go through the trouble of digging up something potentially scummy from Hapa and question him about it. After a few hours of lurking, you guys suddenly come to the conclusion that Hapa is probably town (or something to that effect) and deem him no longer worthy of pursing today. I understand the stance, but what I don't understand is why, if you have initial suspicions of Hapa, that you're willing to let him off the hook so easily and not entertain the possibility of investigating him this cycle.

This certainly doesnt read as curious; the connotation is clearly negative, and designed to read as scummy actions.

So WaveOfCheesecake
When did you read of us evolve to "not scum"
And what set it off; please walk me through this.
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On April 14 2013 02:46 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
I have a really critical tone regardless of alignment. From what it looked like in your filter (I wasn't paying attention to who was talking, just the smurf), it went from HAPA SUSPECT to HAPA TOWN pretty fast. Looked like you got scared and just stopped. But apparently it's just you coming in and telling GK to stop being wrong?
Why are you telling me you have a critical tone regardless of alignment?

Why do you feel the need to insert alignment? When did i call you scum; I just asked for a critical thought opinion?

This reads as inherent guilt to me.

Further; I did not come in and tell GK to stop being wrong. GK hasn't been in the thread since I have been online.
In addition; even if I told him he was wrong, how does that evolve your read to "not scum".

======================

So in short.
1.) When did you think we were not scum.
2.) What made you change your mind.
3.) If you thought we were town, due to the Hapa issues; why continue to ask questions that imply you think MA is scummy.

1.) I though you were scummy, and I wanted an answer for that flip-flop on Hapa.
2.) My brain, something in there.
3.) Never thought you were town.
WaveOfCheesecake
Profile Joined April 2013
109 Posts
April 13 2013 18:19 GMT
#609
Lol I'm so high. CC420... Anyway, Mocsta, you're making it really black and white; like I thought you were totes scum and now I think you're totes town.
WaveOfCheesecake
Profile Joined April 2013
109 Posts
April 13 2013 18:25 GMT
#610
In fact, why are you blowing this over the top, when all I wanted was a simple explanation of your guys' reads on Hapa? You seem really paranoid about defending yourself right now.
WaveOfCheesecake
Profile Joined April 2013
109 Posts
April 13 2013 18:26 GMT
#611
On April 14 2013 03:05 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm drunk and Prom disappearing makes me want to post instead od look at bewbies. I Just saying.


>2pm EST
>Drunk
WaveOfCheesecake
Profile Joined April 2013
109 Posts
April 13 2013 18:32 GMT
#614
On April 14 2013 03:29 MockArmor wrote:
WaveofCheese
This is your line of thought in regards to my commentary
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On April 14 2013 00:02 MockArmor wrote:
To expand on Hapa: We don't perceive him as scum; nor an entity to invest further time into this cycle.
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On April 14 2013 02:46 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
it went from HAPA SUSPECT to HAPA TOWN pretty fast.

Hence, you conclude I inferred town.




In my opinion, town Hapa is quick to jump to conclusions, and just as quick to re-evaluate his reads and make his current stance visible. I think that occured today.


Nah, you pretty much called him town.
WaveOfCheesecake
Profile Joined April 2013
109 Posts
April 13 2013 18:33 GMT
#615
On April 14 2013 03:32 MockArmor wrote:
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On April 14 2013 03:08 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On April 14 2013 03:00 VIVAX420 wrote:
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On April 14 2013 02:24 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
On April 14 2013 02:17 MockArmor wrote:
On April 14 2013 01:59 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On April 14 2013 00:02 MockArmor wrote:
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On April 13 2013 23:54 raynmaster wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On April 13 2013 23:47 MockArmor wrote:
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On April 13 2013 23:42 raynmaster wrote:
On April 13 2013 23:35 MockArmor wrote:
On April 13 2013 23:19 SamuelLJackson wrote:
Mocsta you didn't answer my question. Why did you attempt to make a big deal out of a person posting something that in essence looked like a confirmation post and a post implying that he was going to bed? The complaint in general feels false given that the game had just started and it doesn't seem like you could have genuinely felt frustrated by the state of things at the time of the post.

The question should not be addressed to Mocsta.

Regardless; I have been content with the posting of my partner..

I also believe the post you have chosen to bring attention is, contains a valid opinion of thread sentiment.

Rather, I think it is you, who is choosing to elucidate matters of the minutiae to the fore.

Why would you not want a player you are talking to in the first place to answer?
Are you gonna try to get out of bad spot by letting your partner to answer a question directed to someone else?

/rayn

That answer was clearly written by Mocsta.

As is this response.

What is your point?

Are you suggesting that I am able to elucidate the inate thoughts of GoodKarma at the time of writing?

What i do know is that the post in question, shared the same sentiments I felt at the time.
The thread was too spammy; too crazy; and too emotional.

Hey do you have any reads? Or expand on your hapa read please.
Yes, we have reads.

To expand on Hapa: We don't perceive him as scum; nor an entity to invest further time into this cycle.

+ Show Spoiler +

In my opinion, town Hapa is quick to jump to conclusions, and just as quick to re-evaluate his reads and make his current stance visible. I think that occured today.

Well, you go through the trouble of digging up something potentially scummy from Hapa and question him about it. After a few hours of lurking, you guys suddenly come to the conclusion that Hapa is probably town (or something to that effect) and deem him no longer worthy of pursing today. I understand the stance, but what I don't understand is why, if you have initial suspicions of Hapa, that you're willing to let him off the hook so easily and not entertain the possibility of investigating him this cycle.

Firstly, you have a keen enough eye to pay attention to our posts; yet, are not observant enough to notice that the early pressure on Hapa was solely GK.
FYI,
I entered the thread roughly 4 hours, caught up; gave my reads to GK.
Let me quote him hhaha (cos i was surprised too)
"I agree ironically with pretty much everything you've said".


Secondly, you have a very strong choice of words here Wave.
"let him off the hook so easily" // "a few hours of lurking"; if I didnt know better, I would think you are calling me scum. Yet, I do not see a vote or a case for the accountability I was talking about earlier.

To answer your question; I didnt think a ##FoS was hard pressure; thus enabling "letting off the hook easily".


Thirdly, (to address the crux of your concerns) you present your opinion as if reads are not subject to change.
Why is this?
I explained why I let Hapa off the hook in short. You still have not explained in detail what the dispute is?


Lastly, "I understand the stance" what does this actually mean?


I'm not calling you scum, nor do I believe you are at this stage. My point remains that FoS's in general are very noncomittal and, if you are scum, that is your way out, and the brief clause you provided to claim Hapa = town was fairly generic in flow with the thread.

"I understand the stance" = I know what your stance is on Hapa currently.

MA, what's your read on Rayn after all the "AHMIGERD GIMME READS" stuff?


Then why are you talking?

To get a read on a null tell.
Whats a read on a null tell.. lol?


To get a read on someone who was null*
WaveOfCheesecake
Profile Joined April 2013
109 Posts
April 13 2013 18:47 GMT
#620
Read the quote again.
WaveOfCheesecake
Profile Joined April 2013
109 Posts
April 13 2013 18:48 GMT
#622
None of that is indicative of anything whatsoever, Mocsta; CC and I have been talking throughout this conversation you've been having with him.

He's just writing stuff, possibly while high, and we have slightly differing views on what your conversation has meant thus far.
Let me go through it with you though, since you don't seem to understand his point of view:

First CC thought you were scummy, now he thinks you're town.
The quote where he says he never thought you were town? He meant before, you know, when he thought you were scummy.

What's the deal with you attempting to turn everything we say around on us though? I can't be sure of what CC thinks of you right now, but you've been null-leaning scum for me for ages, including now.
WaveOfCheesecake
Profile Joined April 2013
109 Posts
April 13 2013 18:49 GMT
#623
On April 14 2013 03:19 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
Lol I'm so high. CC420... Anyway, Mocsta, you're making it really black and white; like I thought you were totes scum and now I think you're totes town.


semicolons are cool. It was in reference to what you thought I was thinking.
WaveOfCheesecake
Profile Joined April 2013
109 Posts
April 13 2013 18:53 GMT
#626
On April 14 2013 03:48 WaveOfCheesecake wrote:
None of that is indicative of anything whatsoever, Mocsta; CC and I have been talking throughout this conversation you've been having with him.

He's just writing stuff, possibly while high, and we have slightly differing views on what your conversation has meant thus far.
Let me go through it with you though, since you don't seem to understand his point of view:

First CC thought you were scummy, now he thinks you're town.
The quote where he says he never thought you were town? He meant before, you know, when he thought you were scummy.

What's the deal with you attempting to turn everything we say around on us though? I can't be sure of what CC thinks of you right now, but you've been null-leaning scum for me for ages, including now.


Just for clarification: I've (CC) been posting everything, and that one right up there ^ is Wave. We've been talking a lot about Mocsta. I thought he was suspect, then he explained a little, and i thought he wasn't anymore. Then Wave was like "Hey CC, that's probably scum Mocsta brohan"
WaveOfCheesecake
Profile Joined April 2013
109 Posts
April 13 2013 18:58 GMT
#629
A WILD WAVEOFSHADOW ENTERS DA THREAD
WHAT WILL MOCSTA DO?

FIGHT
POKEBALL
RUN
I FORGET THE OPTIONS I HAVEN'T PLAYED THAT GAME IN YEARS
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