On April 14 2013 03:05 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm drunk and Prom disappearing makes me want to post instead od look at bewbies. I Just saying.
>2pm EST >Drunk
bro he said he'd be at a bachelor party, I assume that i where the bewbies come in too.
VE: what do you mean disappearing? I need sleep, I am only human. I'm awake again and I'll be here for half an hour before I go to work.
Phagga never promised a case on MA, I said that he he wanted to push them he could make a case. That was eight or nine hours ago when he had said that the gk/moc hydra was the one he was most suspicious of. He has changed his mind since that time and now finds vivax420 most suspicious.
Syllo, you have a track record of 0% correct reads on me. Why not try to actually interact with me and the rest of the thread instead of popping in and spreading suspicion before vanishing again.
Hapa, I'd like you to look at kush and tell me what you think of him. If you are town I am sure you'll see why my case is valid on young kush, think about it.
marv, you around? I'd like to chat and you have been surprisingly reticent while I have been in the thread. what are you thinking?
On April 14 2013 05:57 NeutralSrvivngBalrog wrote: buttman has been here way more than i have but hes barely said anything that actually means things like all hes done is make that one case against vivax which is just "he doesnt take positions on people" well
dood is scum parbably
You want list post with town and scum reads bro? Too bad.
For now I am most suspicious of v420 and no longer particularly suspicious of raynmaster, we'll see how their play improves but they feel right.
I have no idea of who you find suspicious besides me. Help a brother out and lets talk through your thoughts, I'd love to get a real read on you.
SnB you should be looking at VIVAX420 and Me, those seem to be the people that most people are suspicious of. If you want you can also look at the Moc/oats argument but it might make you vomit in your hands.
On April 14 2013 05:57 NeutralSrvivngBalrog wrote: buttman has been here way more than i have but hes barely said anything that actually means things like all hes done is make that one case against vivax which is just "he doesnt take positions on people" well
dood is scum parbably
That's nice. I'd rather kill you instead though. How about that?
On April 14 2013 05:57 NeutralSrvivngBalrog wrote: also phagga for someone with a name thats probably offensive to gay doods you sure chose a gay hydra name
it isn't offensive to gay doods in the slighest, never fear.
~marv
marv, can you give me your thoughts on me and VIVAX420 please.
I don't disagree on SnB (and neither does phagga) but I'd really like your weight behind the VIVAX420 case. I think you know why but I also can't say it in the thread. Look deep into your old soul and listen to me. VIVAX420 looks scummyy, I want to see something from him which is most easily seen when you realize he is probably scum. that is all I can say. Work it out for yourself.
oh sorry, forgot to add. SnB is sheeping popular opinion and fluffing up his posts to make them larger, the thing Syllo was accusing me of doing. The whole "phagga is offensive" hilariously followed up by saying that out hydra is 'gay' but yeah, sheeping + fluff + leaving as soon as I soft pressured him.
I just came back after having visitors the whole day and got a skype message from Prom that he is replacing out. According to him Blazinghand will join me, but I have not heard anything official yet. I skimmed the thread to see that we gathered the most votes so far, I'm flattered. I'll try to catch up with the thread and post a few things before deadline.
The reason you have not heard from us is that I thought prom would be online, which he couldn't (this is related to him replacing out). I knew I would not be online today until about now.
k, have to do some RL stuff, am afk for 15 min., then start reading the thread and answering any questions.
Ok, I somehow read everything, although not really in detail. I went through vivax420 filter. I still don't like how they summarised the whole hapa-Ve-thing three times in the thread. Also, their list of people they are willing to lynch is pretty long even at the end of the day.
NSB looks like the classical lurker lynch, not gonna do it. SnB promised more of Draz on D2, so I'm looking forward to this.
I like JM case on Rayn regarding their reads, and thought that rayns answer was very weak. Also NSB (I think?) posted something interesting on them. I would be willing to sheep on to this case. Try to read their filter now, don't know if enough time before deadline.
On April 14 2013 17:41 raynmaster wrote: Syllo, what is your read on Mocsta?
His singular fixation on waveofcheese is a bit suspicious and I don't like how he made a brief remark about agreeing with me on FMB, but then diverted all his attention towards WoC.. Other than that he looks better now and I don't think he is a good lynch today. He has been quite active and the tone seems confident.
So read on WoC? Why does MA look better?
Why don't you tell me yours? I'm not interested in answering your questions. They don't even make sense; it's very difficult to explain why someone looks "better" and it's not relevant at all. I already gave reasons for not considering mockarmor a priority today and that's all you need to know.
You said 'active' and confident. Right. Not exactly the best reasons to call someone town ever. I wanted you to expand on that but since you didnt want to, whatever.
I feel that MA is misinterpreting WoC's push on him and that WoC looks like he wants to find out MA's alignment but MA isnt doing any of that sort himself. He is so closed up and prickly. No jokes and shit.
On April 14 2013 16:23 WaveOfCheesecake wrote: Oats at some point during the night I'd like to hear your thoughts regarding MA and/or my case. In your own time though 'cause I won't be around.
Devil's advocate on your suspicion towards Palmar's post; as scum why put in that kind of effort just to make it look like you're contributing with a summary post, when summary posts are known to be inherently useless?
Your case is MA jokes when town and not when scum right? Or is it deeper?
Scum still post summary posts even though its known to be scummy. Like why do scumtells exist if scum dont do them?
This is the only time Rayn is interacting with someone without attacking them. He never attacks WoC or implies he's scum.
On the other side, WoC is very ambigous about Rayn. CC never explains his stance on Rayn. WoS writes this after MA asks for their read on CC:
On April 14 2013 13:18 WaveOfCheesecake wrote: Feasible explanation of the Hapa business. CC isn't here and we actually haven't discussed Rayn at all, though I can tell you that RaynMaster is not on CC's list of townreads.
On April 14 2013 13:53 WaveOfCheesecake wrote: A cursory read through Rayn's filter shows that Oats finds Mocsta scummy; since I have come to the same conclusions I'd be interested in discussing this with him. I personally don't find RM(hydra) scummy in the slightest. Any other reads from him atm would be nice too. + Show Spoiler +
Hell while I'm posting a whole bunch of old reads just to appease the masses, why not my read on DP/Palmar? Palmar I have very little insight into, but (barring the very beginning of The Game) I'm pretty sure I can tell when DP is town, and so far he hasn't given me very much to work with. I am not a huge fan of the 'confirmed town' status though I admit it makes sense to me and I expressed my feelings as such to CC. I think this game is going to be a very good indication as to whether or not my meta reads have improved at all, despite it being a Hydra game.
John Matrix, finished reading the thread yet? I'm interested to see where FnB, MA, and I fall on your red/green scale.
Add to this how WoC intercepted the discussion between MA and Rayn:
On April 13 2013 15:54 MockArmor wrote: My prior was post presented after VE presents rather valid points on both shotgun and DP/Palmar...
For DP/Palmar, definitely subpar play. Sadly, they are one of several people who have done next to nothing...
As for Hapa: I really didn't understand his townread on Wave (hence why I asked). His explanation wasn't very strong either. I know that Hapa's a strong town player, and find it hard to believe the guy would do something like this so haphazardly. The recent mislynch of Ace in my mind though reminds me that good players do dumb things. So this is a poor reason to suspect Hapa as scum. But there's more to it than that.:
But there's Scum Motivation too for this action. As scum, Hapa has Wave "buddied" to sway the vote. Wave already extended out to Hapa saying he was going to buddy him, so why not take advantage of this as scum? I know he's aware of what motivates buddying, as I recall him using buddying as a casepoint before in a past game. I'm looking forward to Hapa's defense.
On April 13 2013 23:19 SamuelLJackson wrote: Mocsta you didn't answer my question. Why did you attempt to make a big deal out of a person posting something that in essence looked like a confirmation post and a post implying that he was going to bed? The complaint in general feels false given that the game had just started and it doesn't seem like you could have genuinely felt frustrated by the state of things at the time of the post.
The question should not be addressed to Mocsta.
Regardless; I have been content with the posting of my partner..
I also believe the post you have chosen to bring attention is, contains a valid opinion of thread sentiment.
Rather, I think it is you, who is choosing to elucidate matters of the minutiae to the fore.
Why would you not want a player you are talking to in the first place to answer? Are you gonna try to get out of bad spot by letting your partner to answer a question directed to someone else?
/rayn
That answer was clearly written by Mocsta.
As is this response.
What is your point?
Are you suggesting that I am able to elucidate the inate thoughts of GoodKarma at the time of writing?
What i do know is that the post in question, shared the same sentiments I felt at the time. The thread was too spammy; too crazy; and too emotional.
Hey do you have any reads? Or expand on your hapa read please.
Yes, we have reads.
To expand on Hapa: We don't perceive him as scum; nor an entity to invest further time into this cycle.
In my opinion, town Hapa is quick to jump to conclusions, and just as quick to re-evaluate his reads and make his current stance visible. I think that occured today.
Can you explain this, MA? You FoS Hapa because he has scum motivation for buddying me etc etc and is kinda scummy whatever. Then you call him town?
Rayn: That's Mocsta for you.
He is pretty much picking up the case of Rayn and leads it on, while being all friendly to Rayn in the last sentence. Also note that this post came at a time when MA started to question rayn over and over. It looks like WoC was trying to shift away pressure from rayn, and change the topic.
All the interactions feel like scum trying to cover each other. CC kept a backdoor open to vote rayn if it was needed, and they promptly bussed rayn when the wagon started rolling.
Adding in the points that MA brought up on WoC, I feel that WoC has a high chance of flipping scum.
On April 16 2013 00:15 InsertSmurfHere wrote: Yeah, I ignored BH almost exclusively save for a few forced interactions in the last game. As a matter of fact I don't think I directly interacted with any of the other scum. I've see both avoidance and attachment as valid scum points.
Except as scum, I know how to manipulate all of those scum points. Just look at me and Lazer in Noir. We yelled at each other for half the game and he nearly got me killed with a vote. Idk about WoS, I don't think he's ever played scum. But I believe I'd be critical enough of Rayn as scum to avoid such associations.
-CC
Out of the three quotes I posted from your hydra, only one was from you. The others were from WoS, and he stated that you have been absent (although that one might have been a lie).
And of course you never make errors, right? Every good town player has had his off game. The fact that you KNOW how to deal with such situations as scum does not mean that you always do it right.
On April 16 2013 00:31 WaveOfCheesecake wrote: Alright so, looked into NSB's filter; not too difficult I know, but it's a start. Basically his only real contribution has been a soft defense on us and a simultaneous attack/vote of MA.
Now if you believe us to be scum because of Rayn's association, why not have a look at NSB for this reason as well? Apparently these are the only two people in the game who found my meta read 'not weak.'
I don't buy the excuse that it's because Rayn treated only us differently. It makes more sense that the two of them as scum would try to jump on a weak towny case against another towny to try and secure a mislynch to me, but whatever.
Moving onto FMB.
And FMB, I NEVER lie. As I said, we never seem to know when the other is going to be around (which explains me literally JUST saying I didn't think CC would be around until tomorrow, yet here he is.)
-Wave
As I wrote earlier, Rayn does not mention SNB except for this:
On April 14 2013 23:34 MockArmor wrote: raynpeli No I'm accusing you of trying to contribute in the thread without providing accountability. This is because your entire dialogue with your "scum read" is subject to change pending on discussion with oats.
That's bullshit. Full stop.
Further, the exchange with *your/raynpeli* scum read, five touch. Does not even read as if you are talking to someone you are suspicious of.
Thirdly. Let's pretend you were genuinely suspicious of five touch. Why the need to consult with oats regarding your scum read. You should be engaging and probing fiveotuch as much as you can. Instead you are reaponding to questions he asking of you. In addition to hiding all accountability behind oats.
This is scummy shit, and again the whole exchange does not read to me as if you are talking to a scum read.
I can't question marv about things VE said, and that was the only thing i wanted to question them about. I don't think you should not answer questions from people you think are scummy, but if you think so there's nothing i can do about it. I just explained marv what i thought at that time when he asked me about it. Had it been VE questioning me i would have acted differently.
I don't think FT is scummy anymore. I read Hydra 1 and this game VE posts and VE was quite different in that game from what i can tell. Oats is saying the same thing.
I can't be around @ the deadline, i consider NSB / FMB / VIVAX420 the scummiest atm. Vivax only because i can't understand much they are saying. Oats gotta decide who we gonna lynch.
Also, NBS never mentions rayn. So yeah, nothing going on there.
Of course that COULD be a tell too. Problem is that Rayn treats us, Vivax and ISH the same as NSB, and NSB does not mention a lot of other people too. Nothing interesting there in terms of associations.
On April 16 2013 00:46 WaveOfCheesecake wrote: FMB, what are you current thoughts regarding Vivax?
I think he is town. I took the time to reread his filter properly. The summarisation I mentioned was a misinterpretation by me after skimming their filter. He did indeed bring in his own thoughts in those posts.
They were on raynmaster early, and wrote several times that they want people to switch to rayn. Also what JM brought up regarding kush asking for the ObsQT.
clarification: a statement like that is utterly meaningless as a townclaim. literally the easiest lie scum will ever make (besides "I was afk" or "i am busy irl") is "If I was scum, I'd concede, but i'm not conceding! hah!"
S&B should at least be bright enough to recognize that :|
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