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On April 05 2013 09:33 marvellosity wrote: I'm somewhat concerned that Palmar gave a serious reason for not wanting to vote Ace. Wanna kill WoS? Why are you not concerned into this matter rather than Palmar/Ace? | ||
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yo Ace. Who is scum? | ||
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and then WoS. GG. | ||
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On April 05 2013 09:21 WaveofShadow wrote: Phew. Real happy I rolled town this time around; I feel really bad for whoever is on my scumteam when I roll mafia for the first time. Scib, is there no limit in this game as to how long a cycle lasts? If so I could see extending the day being a benefit to town but it really depends on the activity level in general. And Palmar one entry-post example does not a meta-case make. I'll go with marv on this one: I hear scum Ace is terrifying and last game he was town we wasted a lot of time on him and mislynched him in the end anyway. ##Vote: Ace He is voting for Ace because he is good as scum. And last time he was town people wasted time on him.. ?? Mislynch, ? wtf.. | ||
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On April 05 2013 09:56 marvellosity wrote: Seriousception. I was somewhat serious yes. It's curious you gave a serious answer to me about voting Ace, when my vote for him was predicated on the zero posts that he'd made so far in the game. For whatever reason you felt compelled to give me a proper reason for not voting for him, and I'm not entirely sure why. I was 'expecting' you to be like "oh yeah let's lynch Ace", although maybe I should have given better reasons... can you guys do something else than be <3<3<3<3<3 with each other? | ||
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On April 05 2013 09:58 marvellosity wrote: What makes you think we're not trying to figure out each other's alignment? nevermind, go on. | ||
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On April 05 2013 10:05 marvellosity wrote: rayn I have no idea why you're asking Palmar who to kill when you think you've found mafia in WoS. huh? Why not? | ||
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On April 05 2013 10:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: how about you comment on sciberia? | ||
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On April 05 2013 10:39 iamperfection wrote: lol like a vote right now matters. do you think ace is scummy or not yes or no? i dunno, sec on that.. | ||
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He is asking Axle if we should kill me. Scumtell #1. | ||
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On April 05 2013 10:42 WaveofShadow wrote: Hey Axle, if you're still around, what do you make of rayn flitting about the thread thus far? I liken him unto a chicken without a head, spraying blood and entrails wherever his dying nervous system directs him. Personally I am loathe to pay him any more mind than this but it would be nice to get a fresh opinion on the matter before partaking of other more worldly pursuits. Read this shit.. :E | ||
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rofl. | ||
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##Vote: Wave Of Shadow guaranteed scum D1. | ||
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On April 05 2013 10:51 iamperfection wrote: asking what other people think happens all the time. omfg... | ||
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On April 05 2013 10:52 Palmar wrote: well soon after that you became too cool to actually do anything on the only day of mafia I'm actually decent at, so what the fuck do you expect? :D Kill WoS ok? | ||
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##Vote: AxleGreaser Okay this is the best lynch. Look at his lat post rofl. | ||
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On April 05 2013 11:06 marvellosity wrote: Are you on some kind of hard drugs tonight, rayn? Nope, only on soft ones..  No but really.. See his filter :E | ||
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I can get behind his lynch, but not now. | ||
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On April 05 2013 11:35 iamperfection wrote: he posts useless posts to let everyone know he is here but doesn't contribute to the discussion nor does it look like he is trying to figure out alignments. 1 post. rofl? | ||
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##Unvote: AxleGreaser ##Vote: Wave of Shadow | ||
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On April 05 2013 09:21 WaveofShadow wrote: Phew. Real happy I rolled town this time around; I feel really bad for whoever is on my scumteam when I roll mafia for the first time. Scib, is there no limit in this game as to how long a cycle lasts? If so I could see extending the day being a benefit to town but it really depends on the activity level in general. And Palmar one entry-post example does not a meta-case make. I'll go with marv on this one: I hear scum Ace is terrifying and last game he was town we wasted a lot of time on him and mislynched him in the end anyway. ##Vote: Ace He is voting for Ace because if Ace is scum he is scary... Does it make him scum? What more do you need?? | ||
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On April 05 2013 11:58 DarthPunk wrote: OK. Now read what you just wrote and ask yourself if that is a good enough reason to lynch someone. Would you like to be lynched for that reason? are you really being helpful with that 'case?' No i wouldn't. Why are you? | ||
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[qoute]I hear scum Ace is terrifying and last game he was town we wasted a lot of time on him and mislynched him in the end anyway.[/quote] how do you read this? | ||
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I hear scum Ace is terrifying and last game he was town we wasted a lot of time on him and mislynched him in the end anyway. how do you read this? | ||
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On April 05 2013 12:15 prplhz wrote: i don't like how rayn just ignored my question What question? | ||
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This for examplee is a bad bad post... | ||
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On April 05 2013 12:14 WaveofShadow wrote: Rayn's filter is now 3 pages long and it is 3 hours into the game. This is inexcusable in my opinion, as is his constant inane shitposting. From this point forward unless he changes his methodology I will hereby be ignoring any and all 'contributions' he has made. I'm not sure what other people's opinions are regarding him but I really don't feel like entertaining this kind of baseless annoying bullshit, so discuss with him and give him a forum if you must but I will take no part in it. DP, welcome to the thread. You've mentioned you have no reads thus far; I can appreciate that. Anything to add at all regarding Ace? Point out what of my posts are "shitposts". | ||
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On April 05 2013 12:31 DarthPunk wrote: Why? There is no point just saying that. Convince the thread. Convince me. I am open minded. Look at his last post maybe? Rly.. | ||
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Phew. Real happy I rolled town this time around; I feel really bad for whoever is on my scumteam when I roll mafia for the first time.[quote] There is no need to say this. This doesn't say shit. [quote]Scib, is there no limit in this game as to how long a cycle lasts? If so I could see extending the day being a benefit to town but it really depends on the activity level in general.[/quote] General information, doesn't say anything. [quote]And Palmar one entry-post example does not a meta-case make. I'll go with marv on this one: I hear scum Ace is terrifying and last game he was town we wasted a lot of time on him and mislynched him in the end anyway. ##Vote: Ace[/QUOTE] First he is saying he's going with marv. So he is voting for Ace because marv is voting for Ace? Another "reason" for Ace vote is "because Ace is scary as scum". roflskates. So we should kill every strong player because if they are scum they are scary? If this is a pressure vote it's like the worst pressure vote i have ever seen because the reasons are so terrible. WoS is not even taking responsibility from his own vote, as he is just "sheeping marv". Other than that his posts are about me "shitposting". Yes i might have not reasoned why i think some people are scum, but at least i am telling i think some people are scum. And i think you are one. | ||
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On April 05 2013 09:21 WaveofShadow wrote: Phew. Real happy I rolled town this time around; I feel really bad for whoever is on my scumteam when I roll mafia for the first time. There is no need to say this. This doesn't say shit. Scib, is there no limit in this game as to how long a cycle lasts? If so I could see extending the day being a benefit to town but it really depends on the activity level in general. General information, doesn't say anything. And Palmar one entry-post example does not a meta-case make. I'll go with marv on this one: I hear scum Ace is terrifying and last game he was town we wasted a lot of time on him and mislynched him in the end anyway. ##Vote: Ace First he is saying he's going with marv. So he is voting for Ace because marv is voting for Ace? Another "reason" for Ace vote is "because Ace is scary as scum". roflskates. So we should kill every strong player because if they are scum they are scary? If this is a pressure vote it's like the worst pressure vote i have ever seen because the reasons are so terrible. WoS is not even taking responsibility from his own vote, as he is just "sheeping marv". Other than that his posts are about me "shitposting". Yes i might have not reasoned why i think some people are scum, but at least i am telling i think some people are scum. And i think you are one.[/QUOTE] | ||
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On April 06 2013 05:53 sciberbia wrote: I doubt he thoroughly read it, but he clearly at least opened it, and looked at it enough to characterize your previous play. It's not wishy/washy. He said you played like a headless chook. Nothing wishy/washy about that. My point is that it he put some effort into doing something related to figuring out alignments, although he wasn't under any obligation to do so. Do you think Axle is lying about looking at your filter and is therefore scum? Seems like a very stupid lie to tell. Do you agree with him? | ||
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On April 06 2013 10:05 WaveofShadow wrote: I still have a lot of trouble with the idea that there are people we can just 'let do their thing' and if anyone actually suspects them before that point it's scummy. I can't see myself ever getting used to that idea. Also Rayn what the actual fuck? You absolutely shit up the thread for a day enough so everyone wants to ignore you for the rest of the game? Is that it? Can you DO something please? I don't want to argue with scum. | ||
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Do you think Axle actually read my filter from RED or not? | ||
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On April 06 2013 10:27 sciberbia wrote: In your Red Team filter, and even moreso in this game, you quickly pounced on a few different people in quick succession. I suppose this is behavior that one could classify as typical of a 'headless chook', although I personally would restrain from using that term. And this is fucking horrible. | ||
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On April 06 2013 10:50 sciberbia wrote: Yes I think he read it. I would be shocked if Axle lied about looking at your filter. If he is town, he has no motivation to lie, and plenty of incentive to actually look at it. And if he is scum, it would be an abysmally stupid idea to claim to have done research and present findings without actually doing the research. What if the findings he presented were 100% clearly wrong? It's just such an unnecessary risk. Since he went through the trouble of getting the link, it only makes sense that he would at least scroll through it, even if he is scum. Are you going somewhere with this? The thing is he didn't point anything out.. :D ggyo. | ||
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On April 06 2013 11:24 iamperfection wrote: usually you have to explain the mafia motivation for them to be mafia rayn. You seem to fail to do that a lot. Actually idon't. I just need a lot of people to vote for the guy i think is scum. | ||
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Do i need to switch my vote already? | ||
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What i mean is can we assume scumteam has at least one player who is amongst the most experienced ones? | ||
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On April 07 2013 03:17 marvellosity wrote: Who knew internet connection affected spelling! I learnt something new today. I think Dandel explicitly said this was completely RNG. It does when matter when this only registers like 1/3 of the button presses. :D | ||
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On April 07 2013 03:34 WaveofShadow wrote: Lol. Are you serious? I REALLY dislike your play. If I could somehow make it seem worthwhile for the town to lynch you, I would. You have said multiple times you want to lynch me because you think i am stupid and you dislike my play. Why do you vote for prplhz now? | ||
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On April 07 2013 08:22 iamperfection wrote: it goes against all my principals but i may be willing to lynch rayn just so i dont have to see him post anymore. + Show Spoiler + jk jk Who do you want to lynch for real? Or is it me? | ||
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On April 07 2013 08:36 Ace wrote: There is no solid reason for lynching sciberbia. Unvoting WoS makes no sense here. Wos where did you claim? Why is WoS a better lynch than sci? | ||
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On April 07 2013 08:37 Ace wrote: both. I honestly think he will lessen the Town's chances of winning if kept around so he's Scum at best and Town at worst. In light of no better suspects imo outside of WoS (waiting to show me his claim) he is the best option. "yo hey show me.. i don't wanna do shit to solve this game". | ||
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##Vote sciberbia[/b] | ||
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On April 08 2013 07:22 Ace wrote: just skimmed and see I'm on the lynch wagon. 2 things quickly: @WoS - in The Game I got lynched 6 hours before deadline when I was asleep  Also I was watching basketball so no time to read the thread. For the people voting for me, can you point out exactly what I need to respond to to convince you of my innocence? I'm not 100% sure what's going on here since I thought I made everything I did explicitly clear but I'll try again. Can you point out who do you want to lynch and why? If it's still Oats can you point out why "being a distraction" is good enough reason to lynch someone? Why not lynch mafia instead? Why did you say sciberbia was a really bad lynch at the time he was getting votes and right after you say "he is 3rd lynch condidate today"? | ||
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Do you think it's possible both marv and Palmar are scum? | ||
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On April 08 2013 08:06 marvellosity wrote: ... Axle notes: I like this. Palmar was actually joking and he does never FoS. Judging by his comments about coming pre-armed into Noir, I think Axle knows this and has never seen him do this. It's an interesting thought and one I like. Why is it a towntell for Axle to not make a meta-case on Palmar with this? If Axle already knows Palmar does not never FoS people why not simply vote for him and make him explain himself? I don't understand this vote on sciberbia. Where did it come from? I don't see the reasoning. So marv thinks Axle is scum? And yet these reasons actually make plenty of sense. Carrying on through page 1 of Axle's filter, he seems to find WoS suspicious for his actions, but apparently sciberbia more suspicious for his reaction to WoS's actions. The thing is, he didn't hammer WoS when he had the chance. It was L-1 and he could have voted for him. Why didn't he? rofl. Why would he hammer town!WoS if another candidate for being lynched is town!sciberbia? Just let a townie do that. And before you say anything, marv himself thought that both WoS & sciberbia are town, at least he now does. Thinking process fails pretty hard here for him. What? Backs off sciberbia in what seems to be a reasonable way. He drops his pursuit of sciberbia and starts to pursue WoS. This seems consistent with how he earlier viewed WoS, as suspicious with his behaviour. Generally speaking Axle is quite focused in his targets as town, in Noir he seemed to focus in hard on Hopeless despite other things being discussed in the thread. I don't see how this is reasonable way to back off from a lynch. He asks sciberbia some questions and backs off in the very same post. Back to the first candidate when you don't have to porbably hammer anymore. Generally speaking i don't see how Axle is really focused here.. | ||
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I am implying i think they are both scum. I can only vote for one person and marv has only a vote from the other guy who could be lynched so i don't think Ace has the credibility to get 6 more people to vote for marv today. And no, this is not a connection case. I do think Axle is scummy ny his actions, not by how marv talks about him. | ||
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On April 08 2013 08:57 marvellosity wrote: I'm offering you a supposed 1 for 1. Take it. No, there is a possibility that you are both town and if that's the case it's like the retarded thing ever to do. | ||
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On April 08 2013 09:42 Palmar wrote: are you reading this conversation rayn? Marv is so butthurt that he didn't help lynch scum that he's yelling BUT I WAS RIGHT TOO BUT I WAS RIGHT TOO. It's hilarious and it makes marv town. What i am trying to say is that marv softly defended a confirmed scum with reasons that were absolutely crap. It may be that Ace is scum too, but that doesn't change the fact marv's notes on Axle were really really bad and i can't understand how anyone who is town could see Axle's behaviour that way. | ||
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This is why in my opinion you look very bad: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168¤tpage=58#1146 Your reasons for Axle not being mafia (of whatever you are trying to say there, i don't even get it) are really horrible. His voting behaviour regarding scib/WoS was not a townie behaviour, and you quote some random posts that "you like" with no further explanations. I don't care if i look worse or better than anyone. And you still failed to explain why prplhz looks better than me. I don't like Tunkeg/prplhz either. | ||
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On April 08 2013 22:01 marvellosity wrote: Both Palmar and iamp think I look clearly town, they can't both be my scumbuddies, right? ^^ I don't think iamp thinks you look very town. And Palmar seeing you as town has nothing to do with who your scumbuddies are if you are scum. Townies see scum as town quite often. And you are clearly not a bad scumplayers as far as i remember from the games i have followed. I can't understand why everone thinks Palmar is town because i am not just seeing it. Is it because he agreed with you on Ace? Or what, i just don't see it. What you think of that Tunkeg stuff I just posted? I don't think Tunkeg flip-flopped about no-lynch. His last comment could be also seen as frustration as his lynch was not going through. And i think he was pushing his lynch, people just didn't listen (many people were suspicious of WoS at that time and WoS was a leading candidate before people started voting for Ace). I don't know what that makes him. What i do not like is that he brought the no-lynch thing up in the first place, didn't so anything after that, and before that all he did was going after WoS. Palmar is right, btw, if I were mafia I'd never have made myself look bad over the Axle lynch. It's exactly the same thing that happened to me in Fruity, I looked really bad for opposing a yamato lynch Day 1 who flipped mafia, because I was pushing Vivax (mafia) instead. Shit happens. That's just WIFOM. If you are mafia this is just what you were supposed to do if Palmar is town. You just made a good friend who can't possibly think you would do that as mafia because of meta and shit. | ||
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On April 08 2013 22:52 marvellosity wrote: It's not just WIFOM, because the alternative is that I make myself look good by calling Axle probably mafia and hammering him like the rest, then we wouldn't have to have this conversation at all. That was my alternative if I'm mafia. That's not WIFOM, that's analysing a specific player and the actions he's likely to take, which is what the game's all about. How is it a good alternative when you have called him not-likely-to-be mafia before and he hasn't posted since then? | ||
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On April 08 2013 22:52 marvellosity wrote: It's not just WIFOM, because the alternative is that I make myself look good by calling Axle probably mafia and hammering him like the rest, then we wouldn't have to have this conversation at all. That was my alternative if I'm mafia. That's not WIFOM, that's analysing a specific player and the actions he's likely to take, which is what the game's all about. You say this and then you call people like me mafia when i actually did put effort in killing Axle by voting for him and considering who is more likely to flip red of Ace/Axle. Palmar for example just "couldn't remember why Axle looked town" and just swithced his vote. What makes him look better than me? And what makes you say the bolded part, expecially when there is the red bolded part. You switching your vote would not make you look more town because of your earlier stance on Axle. I can see you not switching your vote as both town or mafia, i don't just understand why this makes you 100% town in peoples mind. | ||
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On April 08 2013 21:54 marvellosity wrote: Here's something I find interesting: Seems to clearly not want a no-lynch. His lynch isn't gaining traction so he leaves, leaving his vote uselessly parked on WoS, basically saying "i'm happy with a no-lynch". So you are saying he first was against no-lynch and then was okay with it when a couple of people switched to Ace? He had his vote on WoS who was another candidate at that time. Is his only option to switch to Ace? He already did push WoS lynch and then he went away. I don't think that's necessarily mafia behaviour. He could have genuinely gotten frustrated about his lynch gaining no more support, had no other candidate and just left his vote on the other candidate at that time. Why do you think he would say that last quote if he was mafia? Why not just leave and say nothing? | ||
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He had no interest in finding a good alternative lynch at all. This is something i agree with you on. But is it more likely that he is scum because of that, or town? Ace was gaining support at that time. If my scumbuddy was under fire i would try to do something about it (you think Ace is scum anyways). | ||
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On April 08 2013 23:25 marvellosity wrote: Obviously scum care much less about arriving at a good lynch than town, I don't even understand how you're asking me that :/ If you really want to go into it, the Ace-being-mafia theory supports what I'm saying about Tunkeg, because Tunkeg's alternative for consolidation at the time he left the thread was....... Ace. Probably best to go "oh no, my lynch has failed, woe is me!" and bugger off, ya? Why not try to push WoS harder? His reasons were solid enough to make a lot of people think WoS might be scum in the first place. | ||
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On April 08 2013 23:28 marvellosity wrote: He pushed WoS plenty hard, but WoS was off the table. This is pretty clear from the thread. Use the # button on his final post before he went to bed, and scroll back a page or two. Palmar and I had recently voted for Ace, he was clearly a hot topic, but Tunkeg didn't see fit to even mention Ace. Yeah i read the couple of pages before Tunkeg went off. You and Palmar voting for Ace definitely is a thing that might make people to sheep you guys over Tunkeg especially when the tables are already turning in favor of Ace lynch. | ||
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##Vote: Ace Who do you want to lynch now and why? | ||
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This is the way i felt about your converstaion with Ace aswell on D1 end. I even talked about it with marv on N1. | ||
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On April 09 2013 22:30 Palmar wrote: Yeah of course. This means that something is wrong and I need to find out what it is, which kinda sucks as I'm a big fan of random killings. Ace did point a finger at Oats multiple times on day 1, so that lends some credence to that theory. I also need to go back and look at everyone from day 1. reyn still feels like the most likely guy to be on the bus wagon, and tunkeg does not look too good. I would like you to explain this. Also why did Axle not hammer WoS? Afaik he was here when WoS was @ L-1. | ||
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On April 09 2013 22:57 DarthPunk wrote: Pretty sure axle was asleep at that point. Oh yeah. I didn't look at the time he quoted that vote tally from WoS L-1. | ||
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On April 10 2013 00:09 iamperfection wrote: well in general a post like this has proved difficult for scum palmar to make. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168¤tpage=17#332 It is of course possible he has uped his game but he is not a concern right now. I would only worry about palmar much later in the game if at all. He has been interested and overall has cared about the lynch. He is not that much of a concern. Actually if you read really closely what happened at the end of D1 Palmar didn't give a shit about the lynch and i'm going to prove it to you in ~2hours. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On April 05 2013 08:58 Palmar wrote: I say we lynch you on day one. How would you like that? ##Vote sciberbia Not likely uncharacteristic to him, but then, the follow up is this: - He is more concerned about marv's read on him than pushing his lynch. - The only thing he is trying to figure out anything about anyone is when he asks Oats/iamp about sci. No follow up. _________ Then he comes in with this post: + Show Spoiler + On April 06 2013 00:20 Palmar wrote: honestly: marv: strange things, but seems to be at least trying. I don't think I'll push for his day 1 lynch, but it's annoying that he doesn't just start saying shit that matters and maybe be more useful. I've noted to self/thread twice that he has said things I would not entirely expect of him, but neither makes him definite scum. see here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168¤tpage=6#119 and here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168¤tpage=13#257 Ace: complete and utter null, he's a good lynch but doesn't need to be discussed until we're closing in on the lynch. If we default to a lurker from where we are now it's a toss-up between him and Tunkeg, and I think I'd rather kill Ace. Nothing in Ace's filter says anything about his alignment (good or bad). iamperfection: I really don't know, he seemed genuinely mad that I'm poking him, but his ridiculous zeal in what is essentially a perfectly safe lurker lynch still raises some bells for me. I don't know really. sciberbia: made a generic post and hasn't said anything ever since. I might be willing to lynch this guy based on what has happened in the game so far and if I had to make a decision right now. Tunkeg: lurker, nothing to say. Axlegreaser: I can't read these kind of people, so i'll mostly leave it to others. I'd say leaning town, but honestly I'm terrible at telling what strange posters are up to, I ignore Chez every game I play with him, and while Axle is more coherent than that, I really don't know. prplhz: being his useless self on day 1. He did reach the same conclusion about iamperfection's push on Ace, and he did it before me, I think. DP: NOT READING YOUR POSTS LOL reyn: I don't know this guy well enough yet, so I'll just paint him tentative town right now for calling me bad. he's spamming in a very useless way. But at least he's spamming Oats: NOT READING YOUR SHIT EITHER WoS: his last post here was slightly more townie than everything else he's said. He too is not a bad day 1 lynch I think. I need to hear more from this guy and I know literally nothing about him. His "glad I rolled town" seems sooo fake, but then again, it's so awful that it's hard to think mafia would be stupid enough to do it. Whatever, leaning scum, I guess... This is very uncharacteristic from Palmar. Every read ends with "i don't know" or "whatever, i guess scum". Normally Palmar pushes his early D1 read hard and want's other people's opinions about it. Here he is throwing out a list of "meh" reads. _________ + Show Spoiler + On April 06 2013 19:30 Palmar wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote Sciberbia I think this is the direction I want to go in. After ~20 hours and a couple of useless posts that say nothing he goes back to this. When Tunkeg asked for reasoning, he says this: -"I really don't think it's reasonable to push oats at the moment." Cool, Palmar's opinion about Oats is " Oats: NOT READING YOUR SHIT EITHER". So it's not reasonable to question a player you are not even reading. - "Also sciberbia has a few of those indirect question things I don't really like, I mentioned it in my first post against him, this validation seeking thing." Yeah, Palmar thinks sciberbia is the best lynch at the moment. Funny, because he hasn't interacted with sciberbia even once. He only asked iamp/Oats about him. Yeah, Oats, whose posts he is not even reading... _________ The he votes for WoS, but after that tells marv he thinks sciberbia is a better candidate. _________ Back to sciberbia with "something about his defense of WoS just looks strange to me". _________ Some voteswitching between Ace / sciberbia with nothing new. _________ Here's when the fun starts. Palmar votes for Ace: On April 08 2013 05:12 Palmar wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote Ace Okay let's do this. (1)Also if we lynch him he's a liar and we must lynch all liars, since he said this town wouldn't lynch a veteran player. (2)And finally there are multiple things I find strange about him, just nothing I can say is conclusively scummy. But he is focusing on silly secret tactics, not giving much opinion on who to lynch or trying to push his lynch. He is not attempting to take any kind of a leadership role, and wanting to rather just weigh in here and there. (3)If I hadn't seen Ace be a useless shit at town before I'd call him scum, but I'm not sure. whatever #yolo let's kill ace. 1) This is ridiculous reasoning. 2) Multiple strange things that are not conclusively scummy. 3) Says Ace plays like this as town. After this he isn't interested in what Ace says. He just wants people to vote for Ace. After this some people say they think Ace is town and start a lynch on Axle. This is the votecount atm: sciberbia (1): raynpelikoneet WaveofShadow (3): Tunkeg, prplhz, AxleGreaser marvellosity (1): Ace Ace (4): marvellosity, WaveofShadow, Oatsmaster, Palmar AxleGreaser (3): DarthPunk, sciberbia, iamperfection Then marv asks Palmar's opinion on Ace. Palmar does not give opinion about Ace but instead: On April 08 2013 08:36 Palmar wrote: I don't want to lynch Axle, if that's the alternative. On April 08 2013 08:36 Palmar wrote: He looks good marv, I really don't know. can we lynch the host since I have a town read on everyone? What do you say Axle? On April 08 2013 08:38 Palmar wrote: to clarify, by good I mean less bad than he used to. and since I have no clue who is scum whatever. I just want to lynch someone and I don't want it to be axle. Sciberbia, Ace, prplhz, reyn, WoS, marv are all fine by me. - Axle looks good, can lynch into the list of some random people. - Next thing he does is he narrows the list to Ace/scib. After this post me & prplhz clearly imply that we are supporting Axle lynch over Ace. prplhz even asks Palmar why does he not want to lynch Axle. Ace is sure going to vote for Axle over himself anyways. Then Palmar just switches his vote on Axle: On April 08 2013 08:48 Palmar wrote: I think you can possibly be scum, I think everyone else there except marv is more likely to flip. But okay, mostly because I cannot stay up tonight I need to wake up tomorrow, let's just lynch Axle. At least it rids me of a person that I don't know how to read. I'd give this lynch about 17% chance of success. ##unvote ##vote AxleGreaser "I don't care, let's just lynch someone". Then there is this masterpiece: On April 08 2013 08:56 Palmar wrote: man I just read Axle's filter, maybe he is scum. Increased chances of success to around 32% No reasoning why Axle might be scum now. Also note that Palmar has doubleposted 3 minutes before this post. THERE IS NO FUCKING WAY HE READ THE FILTER IN 3 MINUTES! Ffs Axle's post were really hard to read, it took me 3 minutes to read one post of his. TLDR; - There is nothing in Palmar's play that shows that he has given shit about anything in this game. - His strange "i'll give reads about all the people" is really uncharacteristic for him, usually he pushes his strongest scumread and tries to convince other people to lynch that guy. - Why the fuck is he continuosly asking marv/Ace about their read on him? Normally Palmar declares himself as town and that's it. Everyone who disagrees is bad/scum. - "Pushes" Ace lynch with reasoning that points Ace being more likely town than scum (rofl). - Doesn't even try to figure out if Ace is scum/town when he is unsure of him. - Switches to Axle when there is a lot of people who are likely to vote for Axle over Ace. No reasoning, read Axle's filter in 3 minutes and suddenly Axle goes from looking good -> maybe scum. Cool story bro. Lynch Palmar D3. | ||
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On April 10 2013 03:09 Oatsmaster wrote: I thought you werent a sheep? Why didnt you like the Ace case then? Why didnt you like the other cases? Oats do you happen to think anyone is scum? | ||
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On April 10 2013 04:27 Palmar wrote: Fuck it, disregard everything I've said so far. I'm clearly having an everything I think is wrong game so I need to re-do just about everything. No idea how long it'll take. Wait i thought this should be very easy for you because the guys who are left in the list you think is mafia call the green guys scum. Why are you suddenly changing your tone? Remember thi: On April 08 2013 09:33 marvellosity wrote: iamperfection WaveofShadow - pushed by Axle Ace prplhz DarthPunk Oatsmaster Tunkeg Palmar marvellosity AxleGreaser raynpelikoneet sciberbia - looks good for Axle lynch. That's about it. On April 08 2013 09:35 Palmar wrote: oh I see marv has the same idea as I have. | ||
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On April 10 2013 06:27 WaveofShadow wrote: I get the feeling that Rayn determines who he'll call scummy next the same way that Artanis determined roles in Hydra Mini. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=402039¤tpage=5#82 I get the feeling that ypu are nowhere near confirmed town because the confirmed scum Axle didn't want to lynch you when he could have at least nearly hammered you and suddenly when there is no more pressure on you he suddenly did want to lynch you. And you not hammering him does not make you look any townie because Ace would have done that anyways. You also have the weird interaction with Axle about me where you ask about my playstyle and in the same post give him a ready answer to your own question. | ||
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iamp, prplhz used the "Why do people think Axle is town" phrase as town in a same manner in in Red D1 when he asked: On March 27 2013 11:29 prplhz wrote: If anybody else knows why Acrofales is town I'm also interested in their answers. Acro was mafia. So at least that's not a scumtell from him. Also prplhz could have easily voted for Ace over Axle on D1 as Ace gave him "bad" answers and was looking scummy for many people. Instead he questioned Palmar about Axle's towniness and ended up voting Axle. I personally don't think he's scum. I have no idea about Oats, gotta re-read those games. Darthpunk pushed the Axle lynch, that makes him town i guess. iamp is confirmed town. That leaves WoS. ##Vote: WaveOfShadow | ||
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On April 10 2013 12:46 Oatsmaster wrote: Rayn and Tunkeg scummy bros. I dont know if you want me to comment on your Palmar case rayn, or if you would rather wait for Palmar. But yeah that case does not make me think that Palmar is scum, and with Tunkeg sheeping off it, you both scum bro. On April 10 2013 21:20 Oatsmaster wrote: For once a vigi doesnt shoot town haha. I have no fucking clue what I think is scum. I read Prp's and rayns filter Prp, looks actually helpful recently, and not a FUCKING IDIOT. Rayn too, after he stopped his shennanis is posting good things. WHY MAFIA SO HAR?D??? What made you change your mind when nothing besides the flip really happened between these posts? | ||
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Shouldn't that be more proof of me being scum with him for you? | ||
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TLDR; - There is nothing in Palmar's play that shows that he has given shit about anything in this game. - His strange "i'll give reads about all the people" is really uncharacteristic for him, usually he pushes his strongest scumread and tries to convince other people to lynch that guy. - Why the fuck is he continuosly asking marv/Ace about their read on him? Normally Palmar declares himself as town and that's it. Everyone who disagrees is bad/scum. - "Pushes" Ace lynch with reasoning that points Ace being more likely town than scum (rofl). - Doesn't even try to figure out if Ace is scum/town when he is unsure of him. - Switches to Axle when there is a lot of people who are likely to vote for Axle over Ace. No reasoning, read Axle's filter in 3 minutes and suddenly Axle goes from looking good -> maybe scum. | ||
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On April 11 2013 00:12 prplhz wrote: how about the first point, i'm pretty sure i could point out more than nothing in palmar's filter that shows that he has given shit about anything this game. What has Palmar done other than sheeped marv? | ||
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On April 11 2013 00:16 prplhz wrote: well just to mention one thing (which disproves you "nothing" hypothesis), he voted for and pushed axle when him and marv were on ace and marv was pushing ace hard. I already pointed out it was pretty clear that time that me & you were more in favor of lynching Axle rather than Ace. Ace would have voted for Axle over himself (obviously). A good player like Palmar as scum would see there is pretty much no way of saving Axle at that point. | ||
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On April 11 2013 00:17 Oatsmaster wrote: Well I was gonna wait for Palmar to answer, but since you asked, | ||
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On April 11 2013 00:30 Palmar wrote: @rayn assume for a second I'm not the last scum. Let's just say I've had a shit game. Now tell me who is scum. I think prpl is town. WoS 60% - Oats 40%. | ||
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Can you give your thoughts on these questions: On April 10 2013 23:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: I read WoS / Tunkeg filters again and i'm strating to have doubts on WoS.. Palmar do you think Tunkeg (and Axle) would push WoS they way they did if they were the scumteam? On April 10 2013 23:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: And why would Oats say me / prplhz are both town in his opinion if he was scum? I mean he is leaving no room for himself and you can't just count on iamp/Palmar/DP mislynchin THREE times in a row. | ||
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- Switches to Axle when there is a lot of people who are likely to vote for Axle over Ace. No reasoning, read Axle's filter in 3 minutes and suddenly Axle goes from looking good -> maybe scum. He can read and tab back and post? Um he doesnt need to be gone from the thread to read?. also it went from 17% to 32%, hardly a big jump. I agree with marv's argument about this actually, if Palmar is scum, he wouldve definitely tried to look like he wanted to lynch Axle at that point of time. Where does marv say this? | ||
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On April 11 2013 01:02 Oatsmaster wrote: I really dont know at this point of time, can I get back to you tmr? I would find it easier/ ACTUALLY ABLE to find scum after all the US dudes post and shit I'm guessing you are referring to iamp/DP/WoS as US guys? Why do you need iamp's/DP's opinion? Or do you want them to tell who they think is mafia and pray it's not you and just agree with them? Why don't you want to figure out yourself who is mafia? The problem is prplhz is doing the same thing. We need to wait for WoS until later i guess. | ||
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On April 11 2013 01:02 prplhz wrote: either oats or you/palm can people start voting? Go make a case. You can vote, no need to wait for other dudes. | ||
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Reasoning: On April 11 2013 02:02 Oatsmaster wrote: Dude, more posts = more accurate read right? Its 1.02am, I have the ENTIRE day off, so Ima do it then. To be fair we are lynching into me/Oats/prplhz/WoS today. There is no way any of DP/iamp/Palmar is gonna get lynched and everybody knows it. Oats want's to have the US guys to talk before he decides who is mafia or gets a better read on anyone. How the fuck does it make any difference what DP/iamp say for Oats and his reads? He was not questioning prplhz/me when we were online for many hours at the same time. He said himself he did not know who is the last mafia, but he sure knows it's not iamp/DP. He called my Palmar case bad, so i guess he thinks Palmar is not scum. Why does he not want to question me/prplhz as we are 2/3 of the remaining possibilities? Contrary to this, look at how he behaved in Red mafia and the last night phase before sinani gave up. He was actively asking Hapa/marv (who he thought was scum with sinani) who did they want to lynch. He didn't care about anyone else when everyone was saying marv/Hapa are "confirmed" and me/prpl is another scum. No, instead he calls both me and prplhz town and goes after the guys he believed are scum. Here he is doing nothing, absolutely nothing to figure out if one of me/prplhz is scum. Instead he wants those "confirmed townies" to give their opinion. I think he wants to lean on those opinions which are wrong of them so he would have a backup (someone who thinks "the same"). ##Unvote: WoS ##Vote: Oatsmaster _____________________ But still: WoS: Explain to me what were you trying to accomplish with this question in D1: On April 05 2013 10:42 WaveofShadow wrote: Hey Axle, if you're still around, what do you make of rayn flitting about the thread thus far? I liken him unto a chicken without a head, spraying blood and entrails wherever his dying nervous system directs him. Personally I am loathe to pay him any more mind than this but it would be nice to get a fresh opinion on the matter before partaking of other more worldly pursuits. What were you expecting town!Axle or scum!Axle to answer to this question? Or how asking this would help you form a better read on anyone? Why do you think Oats is town? What makes me/prplhz scummier than him? prplhz: Make a case on the scummiest of your suspects please. Why are you afraid of doing nothing before the "confirmed" people start giving their opinions? | ||
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I don't personally care how much/often do you post. You sleep/eat/take a shit when you have to. But when you are here i assume you do something productive, at least this late in the game and in this situation. If you can only post twice in the phase i don't care, but the posts are better to be good then. | ||
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On April 11 2013 03:32 DarthPunk wrote: What do you think of marv's meta read of oats. Marv was town and has been correct almost always. Have you read past oats games. Can you give your opinion on that meat read? Yes i read the games sciberbia was talking about before PC. My opinion: In Oats' scumgame (LIX) i think he was far more conservative with his opinions than in this game, i give marv that. In Red he was going wild on everything that was going on in thread at the moment. However, what i understood from LIX was that scumteam was under heavy pressure from the beginning. In this game (if Oats is scum) scumteam has not been under pressure during day phases (not counting D1 - and when Axle was pushed -> lynched Oats was not here). D3 Oats looks much more like his play from LIX than from Red, and D2 was bullshit anyways. | ||
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WoS last post where he declared "anyone who thinks i'm scum is silly / scum" seemed genuine and i'm not sure if Tunkeg / Axle had pushed his on D1 the way they did if he was scum with them. prplhz looks worse than before for not taking a clear stance on me/oats/palmar and for waiting for "confirmed" people to talk before saying anything for realz. | ||
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On April 11 2013 00:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: I already pointed out it was pretty clear that time that me & you were more in favor of lynching Axle rather than Ace. Ace would have voted for Axle over himself (obviously). A good player like Palmar as scum would see there is pretty much no way of saving Axle at that point. | ||
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-Tunkeg's first case. Points out finger on me/Oats/WoS and votes for WoS. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168¤tpage=23#448 - At that time Palmar / marv argue which of scib/WoS to lynch. + Show Spoiler + Votecount: sciberbia (3): Oatsmaster, raynpelikoneet, Palmar WaveofShadow (2): Tunkeg, marvellosity AxleGreaser (1): prplhz iamperfection (1): DarthPunk prplhz (1): iamperfection Not voting (4): AxleGreaser, sciberbia, Ace, WaveofShadow - marv / Tunkeg talk about WoS/scib connection. - iamp wants to lynch prpl, DP Oats - Oats drops in with a comment on Ace, asks marv about it - Oats questions marv's null read on Ace - DP votes for Oats - scib thinks WoS is town - DP says he does not want to lynch scib, and wants to give WoS more time, pushes Oats further - Axle votes for scib: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168¤tpage=28#552 - DP questions his vote. + Show Spoiler + Votecount: sciberbia (4): Oatsmaster, raynpelikoneet, Palmar, AxleGreaser WaveofShadow (2): Tunkeg, marvellosity AxleGreaser (1): prplhz iamperfection (1): DarthPunk prplhz (1): iamperfection Not voting (3): sciberbia, Ace, WaveofShadow - DP pushes Oats more, goes to sleep. - iamp questions Oats "hey do you want to kill Axle?" - marv defends Oats "Oats isn't scum." - Oats answers iamp: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168¤tpage=29#573 - Tunkeg makes the big case on WoS: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168¤tpage=30#581 - Oats asks Tunkeg if he thinks scib is town, no comment on case: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168¤tpage=30#586 - Next post Oats questions Axle (who does he want to lynch) - Palmar votes for WoS + Show Spoiler + Votecount: sciberbia (3): Oatsmaster, raynpelikoneet, AxleGreaser WaveofShadow (3): Tunkeg, marvellosity, Palmar AxleGreaser (1): prplhz Oatsmaster (1): DarthPunk prplhz (1): iamperfection Not voting (3): sciberbia, Ace, WaveofShadow - Oats says WoS noob town, lynch scib - prpl votes WoS: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168¤tpage=31#601 - Oats votes WoS: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168¤tpage=31#602 - I vote WoS: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168¤tpage=31#606 WoS L-1. - iamp/Axle apparently off - Oats questions WoS for who does he want to lynch - marv unvotes - Ace doesn't want to hammer, votes for Oats - Thread sentiment changes to scib/Ace - Both Axle and Tunkeg come back, Axle starts questioning WoS for his old posts, Tunkeg is mad because WoS was not lynched. | ||
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- Oats questioned a lot of other people than WoS at that time. - I was not around until last moments. I was suspicious of WoS earlier though. - prpl voted for WoS cos busy and marv/Palmar voting for him, later said he only then understood Tunkeg's case fully. - Axle/Tunkeg were MIA. | ||
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My gut honestly says he is town after what Tunkeg said about my case on him and after his flip. First he calls Oats scum for nothing, and then: On April 10 2013 03:07 Tunkeg wrote: I like your case on Palmar. So Palmar and Oats it is. You focus on Palmar, and I'll come back with a case on Oats on D3. Wtf is this shit? "You make case on Palmar, i push Oats". rofl, and why don't we push the same target if we are town and Palmar/Oats are scum? This seems like distancing from Oats (because scum would assume Tunkeg is gonna most likely die on D3). Why does Oats not even realize this? | ||
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- Tunkeg knows he's gonna die on D3. - He claims Oats is scum. - I make my case on Palmar - Tunkeg agrees, says "you push him, i push Oats on D3" - scib comes and hard questions prplhz, doesn't like his answers - Oats claims ray + Tunkeg scum If Tunkeg had not flipped on night phase. - lynch Tunkeg - Oats looks good because Tunkeg's case - i look bad because i didn't want to lynch Tunkeg - prpl looks bad because scib said so before he died gg Oats. | ||
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On April 11 2013 09:00 Ace wrote: np. Lynching me was inevitable if going by sciberbia's theory (which turned out correct) and neither Oats or Tinkeg flipped. I just wished people read my scenario where if I was Scum why didn't I hammer you when I had the chance. Thought that was a dead giveaway but prp tunneled me to death and that got swept under the rug. had to go to work yo. Funny enough watching basketball and missing the Axle hammer led to me being put in the pool with marv and 2 scum by sciberbia. shit happens :D You and prpl misunderstood each other. Or rather you misunderstood him. :E | ||
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On April 11 2013 09:07 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh yeah, can I have an answer as to exactly what is bad about this post? I have no idea, never even thought about that. | ||
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On April 11 2013 09:10 marvellosity wrote: this all over. i played more restrained last game in Red Team, but cmon, the name's Ego mafia. And you ended up looking like a lyncher to me & scum apparently. :D I dunno if that's bad as this was Ego mafia.. ^^ | ||
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im interested to know what was your conclusion in your chat with me? | ||
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I think scum made some mistakes, not that they did play bad. I found it very fishy that Axle did not vote for WoS earlier when there was same amount of evidence against him than when he did vote. Tunkeg's approach to N2 basically gave him out. Oats played pretty well, had he done something productive on D3 and not waited for people to show up (why would you want to wait as the lynch candidates were in thread?) it would have been harder to catch him. | ||
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On April 11 2013 13:05 AxleGreaser wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 11 2013 05:25 XXX wrote: I don't really know what to make of it: - Oats questioned a lot of other people than WoS at that time. - I was not around until last moments. I was suspicious of WoS earlier though. - prpl voted for WoS cos busy and marv/Palmar voting for him, later said he only then understood Tunkeg's case fully. - Axle/Tunkeg were MIA. AKA Axle asleep in a different TZ. On April 11 2013 08:23 XXX wrote: Because i was at LAN-party with shitty internet and about 24h/weekend drunk like a fish. AKA XXX was MIA? What I find funniest(funny peculiar) about these games is how the same or similar observations get re-interpreted entirely depending on the current posters current beliefs. Although the example is of rayn, I ripped the name out as its only an example. While I know I was scum, and I did get caught, some part of the 'scumminess' of my play... wasn't. I at least never found anyone scummy because "they weren't around when they should have been" or other bullshit. I also never used those quoted things as a defence. In the first one i specifically said (after that) thet "at least i can't make anything out of it, because people were not around". And the second one was a honest answer to WoS and is not alignment indicative in any way. It's not "when people are around" but rathet "what they do when they are". | ||
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On April 11 2013 23:17 marvellosity wrote: Pretty much yeah. By the time I died at the end of N1 I had everyone as town to some extent, excluding Ace/Tunkeg. So obviously when Ace flips town I would need to reassess. There are certain players who I found it practically impossible to be mafia: iamp/DP/sciberbia/WoS Which leads me to having to look harder at: rayn/prplhz/Oats, so yeah. Kinda inevitable. You nailed Oats pretty nicely day 3 there rayn. I do stuff when i have to. I also thought Ace was scum on D2 because i felt like he was trying to derail the discussion with prplhz into something that'll never reach a conclusion (arguing about different thing) and was waiting for him to come back and explain himself. Then he got hammered. D3 i knew i have to do stuff and N2 was to keep Palmar alive and either get a mafia check on him or semi-clear him. | ||
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On April 11 2013 23:22 marvellosity wrote: Well, that's the magic isn't it. If you can tell me how players who regularly have low thread impact can all of a sudden have high thread impact, I'm all ears. Mafia will suddenly become a super ez game for everyone It's pretty sad this is how it goes. For example in Red i was really angry for people that noone except marv was willing to comment on anything i said in thread. I don't like people being treated as "bad" or "good" when there is no reason to do so. All that matters is if they make sense or not, and what do you make of it. If someone just gets ignored town either loses a possibly valuable source of information or a possible mafia who could out himself if questioned. | ||
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On April 07 2013 03:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: I'm starting to think WoS is actually town.. Cna we lynch sci? I just didn't feel the need to provide the reasons at least when marv noticed the same thing. Yeah, i'm all for 100% RNG'ing teams. At worst this results in a one-sided stomp but it is also a good learning experience for the "lesser" team. | ||
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On April 12 2013 00:27 marvellosity wrote: You're missing the point, because the only point I'm making there is that these players have *proven* their ability to regularly do what I mentioned. Whereas players who aren't them haven't. *shrug* So isn't the argument null in the first place because you can't know what other townies (this game) could/would have done as mafia? Only conclusion i can reach that this particular mafia team in this game couldn't push their agenda succesfully. | ||
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On April 12 2013 00:56 DarthPunk wrote: Yeah. Twice. The first time was my first newbie. The second time it was marvs fault but Bugs yelled at him a lot and pm'd me apologising for letting me get lynched. So that made me feel better. Yeah then your record is very impressive. What i mean is even if you got a record of 100-0 it doesn't really mean anything if you are lynched in 80% of the games. And then you are clearly doing something wrong. After all this is a game where not only what you say matters, but who are the people analyzing what you are saying and do they believe you. If nobody believes you it doesn't matter how right you are and you are doing something wrong. :D | ||
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On April 12 2013 01:43 AxleGreaser wrote: A question: If there was player with a 100-0 win rate as town and scum. Got lynched 100 times D1.... But somehow had the uncanny ability to get the scum to out themselves by mislynching him, and town to fall in WIFOM hole when they lynched him D1 as scum. While probably not plausible, just as the 100-0 isn't. Wouldn't that be spectacular play? Yeah it would but i assume that's impossible. There always has to be townies who agree to lynching you either way, so it would be hard to point out who of the voters on you are scum, especially if you get ALWAYS lynched on D1 (meta meta). | ||
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On April 12 2013 01:49 Ace wrote: But you're ignoring what actually happened. If myself or any other Townie hammers WoS on Day 1, or we let sciberbia get lynched Day 1 - both of which were close to happening this entire argument is meaningless. Looking at the end result without acknowledging how we got there and just declaring the entire scenario imbalanced is crazy . Also saying 3 newbie scum vs a team with 3 "vets" is a bit dishonest - in this game myself, you and Palmar didn't even have as much impact as 3 or 4 other Townies. Imagine if we knew the teams were supposed to be balanced - after you flip green, then I get mislynched there is no reading of Oat's and Turnkeg's filters. Scibebria never makes his hypothesis post about the Axle wagon. No one even needs to bother re-reading the thread - lynch Palmar because of balance. That isn't Mafia play. The WoS thing was quite interesting if someone actually hammered him. WoS was on L-2 when i asked marv "I think WoS is scum, should i vote for him now?". It was a silent message for everyone: "I find WoS suspicious, BUT FFS NOBODY DO NOT HAMMER YET!". I think marv picked that up. I had no intention to hammer WoS and had no intention to actually lynch him at that point (although he was suspicious to me), i wanted to see if he does something stupid (as scum), or if scum does something stupid like hammer him (if WoS is town). | ||
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On April 12 2013 02:05 Ace wrote: agree with the bolded 10000000%. It's the main reason I take a backseat in many of the games I play. Let someone else develop and have a chance to take control of the game asTown or Scum. Some of my early game posts were just about keeping focus and avoidong what I thought were obvious mislynches. You guys did the heavy lifting. I think the main problem with this is that they are not allowed to take charge. :/ | ||
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On April 11 2013 20:24 marvellosity wrote: yeah oats is completely right here. 3 mafia were dead by the middle of day 3. not even because the mafia themselves individually played badly or anything, but none of them have any thread impact to control things. Despite mistakes from townies like me and Palmar (wos/sci early, ace/oats) it didn't even matter one bit because there were lots of other townies with good ideas. This game shows precisely why teams need to be balanced, not the opposite, DP. After Ego Mini mafia. Discussion closed. Now find scum supersoft and stop talking about shit. | ||
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