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On April 04 2013 22:05 DarthPunk wrote: you should both play. Make the player list good. Hey fuck you too, buddeh. | ||
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Neva hoid of it. | ||
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On April 04 2013 07:31 Dandel Ion wrote: The coaches for this game are: None. Please consult your brain if you want advice on playing the game. Well I'm fucked. | ||
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Scib, is there no limit in this game as to how long a cycle lasts? If so I could see extending the day being a benefit to town but it really depends on the activity level in general. And Palmar one entry-post example does not a meta-case make. I'll go with marv on this one: I hear scum Ace is terrifying and last game he was town we wasted a lot of time on him and mislynched him in the end anyway. ##Vote: Ace | ||
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I liken him unto a chicken without a head, spraying blood and entrails wherever his dying nervous system directs him. Personally I am loathe to pay him any more mind than this but it would be nice to get a fresh opinion on the matter before partaking of other more worldly pursuits. | ||
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DP, welcome to the thread. You've mentioned you have no reads thus far; I can appreciate that. Anything to add at all regarding Ace? | ||
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Just finished an exam, did well on another and I'm feelin' gooooooooood. SO whass all this I come back to? Errrboddy got a scum read on me yet nobody wants to throw a vote over this way, huh? K. Hai Oats. It's a pleasure to be in a game with you finally. Apparently Marv's vote on Ace was a joke and some sort of bait into seeing if he could get anyone else to vote with him so he could name them scummy? Or something? He calls Rayn looney but agrees with his horribly bad analysis of my 3 posts...not sure why such a seemingly solid player is associating himself with a read like that but anyway....do YOU have a read on me or any opinion regarding Ace? | ||
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And while I have mentioned I don't want to entertain rayn in any way, my desire to assist the town by forming coherent reads on me trumps my dislike for him. Plus it's technically answering a question from marv anyway. The first half of Rayn's ridiculous filter where he talks about how scummy I am is literally him saying "LOOK AT HOW SCUMMY HE IS DID YOU JUST READ HIS POST HERP DERP" without even offering any explanation of his own. I don't know in what world people seem to think spamming of that sort is actually useful or town-aligned in any way, but whatever. Like, he switches from scib to me to iamp and back to me to Axle AND THEN BACK TO ME in the span of 3 hours and offers no proper explanation for ANY of those switches. Clearly he doesn't expect us to take him seriously, but that in itself isn't exactly town-aligned---as town you want your votes and reasoning to be heard and recognized as scumhunting, not seen as useless spam. The second half of his filter is him picking a line or two from my posts and saying "THIS IS SCUMMY, HEY EGO MM PLAYER #XX, WHAT DO YOU THINK?" Useless, shitposting, means nothing once again. With that rationale anyone can take any line from anyone's filter, point it out and ask someone better than them what they think and call that scumhunting. This is the best thing Rayn has posted to date: On April 05 2013 20:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: There is no need to say this. This doesn't say shit. General information, doesn't say anything. First he is saying he's going with marv. So he is voting for Ace because marv is voting for Ace? Another "reason" for Ace vote is "because Ace is scary as scum". roflskates. So we should kill every strong player because if they are scum they are scary? If this is a pressure vote it's like the worst pressure vote i have ever seen because the reasons are so terrible. WoS is not even taking responsibility from his own vote, as he is just "sheeping marv". Other than that his posts are about me "shitposting". Yes i might have not reasoned why i think some people are scum, but at least i am telling i think some people are scum. And i think you are one. His reasoning where he compares himself to me at the end is laughable since as I pointed out earlier his earlier scumreads are based on literally NOTHING. This is the only 'case' of any real substance he has posted thus far so having the balls to call someone scum means absolutely nothing to me coming from him. As far as his reasoning to why I'm scummy for voting Ace? I stand by it. I have been told that Ace is one of those players who you're apparently supposed to just kill if he's still alive at some point. Ok, maybe this doesn't mean we kill him D1 but it does mean that if he is scum, as a fairly new player who has barely played with Ace I should be afraid of him. As far as Rayn suggesting that I'm saying we kill every strong player because if they're scum they are scary, I don't say that anywhere, but it does seem to be the rationale on which some later lynches on strong players are based. Maybe Rayn should look up the people he's playing with a little. As far as sheeping Marv goes, good for you, Rayn, you pointed out what I already pointed out. Want a cookie? Basing a scumread he has pushed so crazily on 3 posts 3 hours into D1 is not a strong scumread by any means and it just shows Rayn's ability to critically think essentially amounts to him reading some sort of 'Scum for Dummies' guide, pointing out some seemingly obvious tells and frantically screaming at everyone else to look at his seemingly obvious tells he pointed out. I'm not going to go so far as OMGUS on Rayn because I as well find it really difficult to believe scum would play this awfully, but I guess we'll see if a more coherent Rayn enters the thread. I am not concerned by his 'scumread' of me in the slightest, but I am more concerned by others,' however. Marv why is it you said you wanted to kill me based on Rayn's posts? | ||
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On April 06 2013 02:47 marvellosity wrote: I found this too funny. Don't know why. Anyway I'll talk about shit properly later, I'm kinda just watching for now. Funny how? Do you agree with it? You never answered my question as to why you find me scummy marv. | ||
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His filter is entirely opportunistic one-liners where he offers nothing concrete in terms of scumreads, he literally poses a random question then disappears for a while. This does not constitute scumhunting to me. | ||
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On April 06 2013 02:53 Oatsmaster wrote: Thats what he does as either alignment dear. You gotta have something more than that  I've never played with prplhz before so I didn't know that. So in these other games he plays, does he ever do anything useful or is this how he decides to play the game and people just leave him alone? | ||
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On April 06 2013 06:28 marvellosity wrote: Pretty sure Ace was merely referring to this game. prplhz has been pretty shit so far. He starts off with some random read on Axle, and then asks the thread if Axle is usually a 'dwerp' or whatever dumbass word he used. prplhz bloody played with Axle before in LIX. He even shared a QT with him because they were both mafia, where Axle was pretty Axle-y. He should have an idea about how he plays, and yet he's playing dumb. Further he pops into the thread 1.5 hours ago to ask why Axle is town, but he doesn't bother sticking around to talk to anyone around it. prplhz is null leaning a bit scum to me right now. He could just be being shit. This is eminently possible. Oh yeah, you were talking about his rayn stuff. Don't really read too much into it tbh. I was told that this is how he plays every game by Oats. Also regarding Axle: On April 05 2013 13:49 AxleGreaser wrote: @WOS. While the anchor you gave me here, is anice anchor and all that jazz, having had quick look at his Red team filter Then yes your description of a headless chook seems about right. Was there any reason you thought we should lynch a headless chook? and yes, just before you run off here you can have your "headless chook" read back for now I would need to see something directly scummy, rather than just noisily anti town.. On April 05 2013 10:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: He is asking Axle if we should kill me. Scumtell #1. I never mentioned lynching Rayn at all, despite both Axle and Rayn mentioning this. I found this pretty suspicious at the time but chose to overlook it. Your mentioning of Axle giving our 'exchange' (if you could call it that) context reminded me of it. | ||
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On April 06 2013 06:53 Ace wrote: I don't think anything prp has done tells us of his alignment or gets us anywhere right now. I think the two issues at hand are WoS being the only serious person on my wagon after the random joke votes stopped, and Oats' posting. Are you worried or something? Iamp's wasn't a random joke vote either. If you're going to start saying something then come out and say it; what about me being the only person on your 'wagon' concerns you, and what about Oats' posting concerns you specifically? And Marv as to me drawing any conclusions, I don't have any right now but I find it suspect that two people both manage to look wrongly into my posting in the exact same way. It's not even like my filter was particularly hard to read or anything; I had 3 POSTS at the time. I didn't change my vote or mention lynching at all in regards to Rayn, he just took it and went: "HE WANTS TO KILL ME HE MUST BE SCUM!!!!" One more thing regarding prplhz that I wanted to mention in case anyone finds it interesting: of all of his one liners manage to be soft defenses (except for maybe the last posts regarding Axle). On April 05 2013 11:45 prplhz wrote: no mention of the guy you are currently voting for? Soft defense of Axle. On April 05 2013 11:36 prplhz wrote: @iamperfection don't you think you're being a little overzealous here? Soft defense of Ace. Soft defense of me. Soft defenses rub me the wrong way. I'm assuming by the vote and what can now barely be constituted as pressure that Axle is prplhz's primary scumread but I'd really like to know why. | ||
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On April 06 2013 09:07 sciberbia wrote: @WoS I don't know if you missed my last post, but.. First of all, as a point of fact, rayn didn't misinterpret your post in the same way Axle did. You posted this, where you ask Axle if he thinks rayn is worth paying attention to. + Show Spoiler + On April 05 2013 10:42 WaveofShadow wrote: Hey Axle, if you're still around, what do you make of rayn flitting about the thread thus far? I liken him unto a chicken without a head, spraying blood and entrails wherever his dying nervous system directs him. Personally I am loathe to pay him any more mind than this but it would be nice to get a fresh opinion on the matter before partaking of other more worldly pursuits. And rayn summarised your post as 'asking Axle if we should kill rayn', which I think is a fair (although exaggerated) summary. Moving on, Your stance on Ace is confusing. Maybe you could communicate it better. First, marv made a troll vote on Ace. You jumped on the bandwaggon and voted Ace. How serious was this vote? Clearly it's not THAT serious because you are talking a lot about prplhz and rayn and not pushing an ace lynch. On the other hand, it is clearly at least somewhat serious because you said you stand by it. But if it's somewhat serious, why did you say "I'm with marv on this one" when it was clear marv was just trolling? Do you really think a policy lynch of Ace is in town's best interests? I'm confused. Help me out here. I didn't miss your last post. If that's Rayn's summary of my post it's terrible because I specifically state that I don't want to pay him any mind, I just wanted to hear Axle's opinion of him, which I (sort of) got. How that = lynch I have no idea but you seem to think is somewhat justified. Whatever. As for Ace, fine, you caught me I suppose. Not the most serious vote around but I must say considering all the reverence people seem to show him it does scare me that we haven't seen anything useful from him yet and people are willing to let him go under the pretense of 'joke pressure.' I guess though it may not make sense to consider policy lynching him as I've heard suggested before if I haven't seen him at work myself. A half-serious vote you can call it I guess, but since iamp/marv left I can't hope to generate any more discussion or anything from Ace himself, it seems. ##Unvote: Ace I could vote prplhz, but how can I be sure that isn't just his 'typical play' as Oats previously told me? | ||
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Also Rayn what the actual fuck? You absolutely shit up the thread for a day enough so everyone wants to ignore you for the rest of the game? Is that it? Can you DO something please? | ||
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Is it an Aussie thing? | ||
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This is an act to try and get something specific out of us, right? | ||
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On April 07 2013 02:27 prplhz wrote: ##Vote WaveofShadow busy might post more later. palmar and marv both on this one so it's probably good. skimmed tunkeg's case and it looked alright though i didn't really get all of it. When I die, look here. | ||
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I don't like the idea of scib hard-defending me either., I'm thinking he's taking a page from kita's book in The Game where he's trying to get me to give him a townread so that he looks real good when I flip. Null for now but defs keep an eye on him. Personally all the business with Oats/DP/iamp/whoever just seems to me like townies going at townies. DP seems very town to me sepcifically. In this game I think scum are much more likely to be in the lurky category. Prplhz and Ace/Axle? | ||
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I am aware Scib gave me an easy out with regards to my vote on Ace and I took it. I still don't like him though but since it was obvious that an Ace lynch wasn't going anywhere, my already defending my vote on him would look scummy basically any time I decided to change my vote, so whatever. As for my meta being different between this and basically every other game I've been in....the only real difference is my activity. I even commented on that in the postgame of The Game I think; not going to be spammy anymore and I'll talk and make reads when I feel they're necessary. Change in playstyle doesn't indicate scum. All you vets especially who have to smurf because of exactly this reason, you should be well aware of this. Lynch away if you will. | ||
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On April 07 2013 03:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: I'm starting to think WoS is actually town.. Cna we lynch sci? Lol. Are you serious? I REALLY dislike your play. If I could somehow make it seem worthwhile for the town to lynch you, I would. | ||
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On April 07 2013 03:33 Oatsmaster wrote: Do you have someone you REALLY want to lynch? Prp? Yes, actually. ##Vote: Prplhz | ||
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Something holding you back? Ace apparently wants to keep me alive for some reason, scib thinks I'm town so it won't be them. Iamp? Axle? Gotta be one of you two. | ||
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Also sorry for the spam; I'm just trying to give you guys something to go on in case I die. | ||
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On April 07 2013 03:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: You have said multiple times you want to lynch me because you think i am stupid and you dislike my play. Why do you vote for prplhz now? No, you are wrong and I have shown you to be wrong; your reading comprehension is shit bad. I have only just now mentioned wanting to lynch you---I defy you to show me anywhere else in my filter I have said so. Marv, Scib doesn't look great to me but I'm not sure of him either way. It's entirely possible he's hard defending me because he is, you know, actually RIGHT about me, but due to the conspiracy-theory-esque nature of my thinking that I just can't seem to ditch, I automatically assume ulterior motives which is not enough to vote him in my opinion. | ||
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I've said it before and I'll say it again: I don't like that certain players get free passes in mafia for whatever reason, be it Grush, Ace, Wriggles, whoever. | ||
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On April 07 2013 03:48 Oatsmaster wrote: Prp is the lowhanging fruit in pretty much every game, what makes him scum FOR YOU WoS? I've already explained why I think he's scummy. Then you told me he does this every game so I had to sit back and consider if this is just another case of 'herp derp newbie trying to come in and understand veteran play.' THEN I get called out for withdrawing a little by Marv only because I took your statement into consideration: On April 07 2013 02:20 marvellosity wrote: In LX and especially The Game, he was active, involved, and in the thick of things. He made conversation about all kinds of things, volunteering information and his thought process left, right, and centre. This game he's bitched at rayn repeatedly without ever calling him mafia, he called prplhz mafia, totally recanted it, and then put suspicion on him anyway, and... and... uh, yeah, that's it. I don't understand what similarities you think you're drawing. Here's another reason for you though; consider how lurky prplhz has been throughout this entire game. He comes back now just to throw in his vote in a convenient position on a wagon that looks like it's headed all the way to lynch town. Doesn't have to worry about starting said wagon, doesn't have to worry about being the hammer vote, and can disappear back into the shadows. Once again no one throws suspicion on this because "it's just the way he plays?" I'm sorry I'm taking a stand against that attitude. FUCK THAT ATTITUDE. If you look scummy to me IN THIS GAME, then you look fucking scummy. I don't give two shits how long you've been playing mafia on TL and how many people know you, and what you usually do. Prplhz is scum, and that's what I have to say on the matter. | ||
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On April 07 2013 05:11 Ace wrote: I've been busy WoS. I actually don't think you should be lynched at the moment, as I think Oats is a far bigger distraction. Marv is just talking nonsense as always. WoS since you're at L-2 right now don't hesitate to claim when the next person votes.I'm not gonna hammer you unless that situation resolves itself. For now tho: ##vote: Oatsmaster Claim what? I already did. | ||
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Did all of you seem to forget my claim in my very first post? It wasn't a joke. | ||
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My vote stays on prplhz for now, and I would like to hear marv's and Ace's response to the idea that I did not lie about the fact that I claimed. Off to bed for now. | ||
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Axle I think I remember reading some threat where you're going to vote me if I don't respond to you, I don't give a fuck about that but I'll re-read whatever it was you posted and see if I can actually decipher something you've said for once. Marv before I left last time I had asked you why exactly you and Ace seemed to think I was lying about my claim and you never answered. I think it was you as well who called my early posting 'derpy' and I'd like to know what about it you find as such. Oh and one more thing Marv, what are your thoughts on the so-called 'Kenpachi rule?' | ||
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On April 07 2013 08:48 marvellosity wrote: WoS never claimed, you never had your vote on him, you didn't think he should be lynched at any point. Stop making shit up, Ace. You don't seem to believe my first post is a claim. | ||
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On April 08 2013 01:35 Oatsmaster wrote: 'claiming town' is hardly a claim. Marv: right, so its a gut thing. hmm. Why not? | ||
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On April 07 2013 09:59 AxleGreaser wrote: Would you give us more to go on if we were not about to? and why only a little if you are so sure you're about to be lynched? You're going to call me out on use of the word 'little?' So this time you definitely say want to lynch him, do you find players when you "REALLY dislike your(rayns) play" have tendency to flip scum? I am not sure now nor was I sure then whether Rayn is scum or not, only that his entire first day was dedicated to the disruption (and failure at it) of town, and the post where I told him I'd like to lynch him because of it was just another example of horrible play, baseless accusations and flip-flopping which has not helped town do anything at all. If you'll notice though I haven't actually voted for him because despite not helping himself, people have done a good job of ignoring his shite, preventing him from mucking up the thread and preventing discussion. I will return to him if need be but I can't ascertain as to his alignment at the moment---if his shit play continues I will be more than happy to lynch him after we've hammered in our first scum whether he is scum or town. He is not doing us any favours this game. I live in the wrong time zone, and went to sleep so I could be awake when scrib came back. However you have apparently not read my meta, from noir (ongoing game), I wouldn't hammer you yet I had more questions.. + Show Spoiler [LOL personal request] + (BTW if someone sees noir end, pls unless you need to, still dont talk about what happened after n1) Cant see why you would, but Id like to read it without flips later. I will ask you very explicitly.... Why did you in this post... What thought did you have, if as you now explictly claim you were not mentioning him as a lynch target? use reasonably graphic and evocative language to describe his play? Was there a purpose to this post, did his play look scummy at all to you? hence did you at that time see any reason to lynch him? If not why did you inflame the situation? and then effectively pass it to me? To me, Axle, you're diving way deep into the language I used for no particular reason because you think you're exceedingly clever and have stumbled upon some unconscious scumslip. Why did I write what I did? Simple. His play was pissing me off. Nothing more, nothing less. Why did I use the specific language I did? Because I felt like it. I had no desire to lynch Rayn until I said so; before that point I just wanted him to shut the hell up and start helping out the town, which he showed no indication of wanting to do. | ||
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On April 06 2013 19:44 marvellosity wrote: Alright. You don't realise this because I've kept my cards close to my chest so far this game, but I agree completely with everything you've said about the people I'm suspicious of. I agree about the big post on oats/iamp. He spent several paragraphs defending iamp when he only had one serious detractor at the time (DP) and I didn't find the push on Oats very reasonable either (maybe you can guess this from my reaction). Also agreed with the validation thing - talking about setup is fine, except he kinda didn't even really give an opinion, he was just fawning at you. The problem I have is that what you picked out from WoS about his town-claim is exactly what I picked out (and incidentally made me feel much better about YOUR alignment). I find it bizarre as shit that you're the only one to mention it in those terms actually. Just to repeat for anyone who's not me & Palmar: It felt disgusting to me, and I've not actually been able to stop thinking about it all game. It's been like the main thing in my head. Because it doesn't take very long, I went back and had a look at the opening of all WoS's games yesterday. He's always rolled town, and he's never mentioned his alignment in his opening post in any of the games he's played here so far. So in this game, he rolls town for the... 6th? time or so, and for some reason, in this game, he decides to tell us that he's town, and worse talks about feeling bad if he rolls mafia. I don't understand the mentality here at all if he's town. He's rolled town again as per usual, and for some reason this time decides to tell us that at some point he'll be shit as mafia? What? I could write more about WoS and flesh out the case if it's really necessary. Suffice to say (and basically what Palmar/Tunkeg) have said, nothing he's said or done since has alleviated the feelings I got from this first post. I think he's a better lynch than sciberbia. ##Vote: WaveOfShadow Haha wow Marv, I really expect better here from what I've heard of you. You REALLY see no town mentality behind this? How about the fact that I've played 5-6 (I forget) games now and in NONE of them I've been scum, and am therefore actually worried about the fact that when I do roll scum, I will let me team down because I'll suck? Since you're using meta to make this argument against me, maybe you should look back into my previous games and see if that fits with my meta of being unsure of myself, speaking my mind, telling the truth, etc. So many people always looking so much into what's not there. You'd think after seeing so many other people do it and fail all the time I'd learn this lesson myself when concocting mad conspiracy theories. By all means though, if you think a townclaim on a whim is enough to get me lynched, go for it. You said you don't even remember why you unvoted me in the first place, right? | ||
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On to prplhz: is there ANY reason why this guy isn't already dead? Like, I don't get why there are votes split between scib and marv when at least they're trying to make themselves useful (marv moreso than scib I would think). Marv especially is actively contributing when one could argue scum barely needs to do a damn thing in this game thus far. | ||
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On April 08 2013 01:52 iamperfection wrote: I didnt want to pull this out so early but you guys are forcing my hand. prplhz is now the wagon of Justice He is the scum right in front of us and should be killed preferably tonight since im starting to get blood hungry. Better not mention blood or Axle will call you out for being scummy. If you're in the driver's seat of the wagon, can I ride shotgun? Ah, I miss actually posting in a mafia game. | ||
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On April 08 2013 02:09 Ace wrote: Well as an aside iamp, as Scum I'd go after anyone No fear over here!As for the WoS situation, I think he is new or just doesn't understand what claiming before hammer means. When I asked WoS to claim I was asking for a roleclaim. He didn't. When he said "I already did" he was referring to his original post where he said he's Town - which means absolutely nothing. I'm just putting this down as a newbie mistake/misunderstanding for now as it's highly possible a Town player that doesn't play with good InstantMajority lnynch players could be confused as to what I was asking. Now that being said, the entire exchange where I didn't vote for WoS yet was because I was waiting for him to come back and show me where he roleclaimed (assuming he understood what I meant). Clearly he didn't, and I was sure he didn't - when he came back and couldn't prove it, or just dodged it then it would have been a pretty easy case of someone lying about a claim which is more likely to be from Scum than town. marvellosity is still the right lynch for today as his antagonistic behavior is still going on, and for some odd reason thinks I've been doing nothing all game when my posts come off well reasoned and logical. I'm going to re-read his recent posts with DP to see if it sways my judgment but from a quick skim it didn't. All the votes are once again split up - can we just have 2 or 3 main suspects and no new wagons formed? If we keep splitting the votes up it will be difficult to analyze anyone post flip if we even get there at this point. Yeah, no. I wasn't confused. No (blue) role to claim means I claimed already. I'm not lynching marv today. | ||
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On April 08 2013 02:39 Palmar wrote: I think I'll start eliminating people I think are town and then just lynching into the rest of the players. DP looks pretty towny iamperfection looks pretty towny I really liked Tunkeg's case so I guess I'll say he's town for now Axle to me looks quite towny I'm town. This now leaves a 7 player pool I'm considering trying to lynch. sciberbia WoS Ace Marv prplhz Oats slotmachinedude Does anyone think it's unlikely that 2-3 scum are in this list? I disagree with Tunkeg and Axle---switch them with me. | ||
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First of all, before you showed up I was already at L-1 and having tried to give town something to use upon my death, someone unvoted me. Marv, I believe. It only got better after that point, not worse and what saved my life were the posts I made before you showed up. Therefore, no need to 'blueclaim' to save my life since it was already saved, yet you show up after and tell me I shouldn't hesitate to claim my role, since you didn't believe I already did. Why try to get a claim out of me? Second, I am unsure as to what 'trap' exactly you were trying to set. Why would I explicitly lie about a claim like that? I am aware it turned out to be a misunderstanding, but do you think that as scum I would expect to just lie and get out of being under suspicion magically somehow? The fact that prplhz sees all the same things I do pretty clearly makes me suspect his scumminess if his thoughts are coming from the same place as mine, which troubles me. Prplhz, can I get something else resembling town-assisting attitude from you? If you're actually town and not scum (which is still hard for me to believe given your activity and vote choices/timing) please contribute positively. | ||
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On April 08 2013 04:37 Tunkeg wrote: I will give this a final push now that we got a deadline. Lynch fucking WoS! He haven't even bothered answering my call out to him, and haven't even bothered to make a singular attempt at making one good case on prplhz! He is basicly in the thread doing nothing!!! Tell me what I can do to convince you guys that he is scum? Because I am certain he is! And frankly I am great at catching scum (no matter what you believe/I am just bad at pushing them). I very rarely have my vote on someone that isn't scum, the only exceptions are when I get agitated at someone and let my anger cloud my judgement. I am in no way angry at WoS, I have read and analysed him with an open mind, I have reevaluated my stance on him (comming to the same conclusion as before), and I am certain, 100 % that he is scum. I know some of you think I am a clown who can't play this fucking game, well, if I am wrong here you can go back to thinking I am just a shit player, but I am not, and you will credit me for this lynch. WoS is my wagon, and my lynch. Now get on it! You will thank me later! You're wrong, and I'm not getting lynched today. I could revert back to a lynch on Ace, marv/Palmar since I am less sure of prplhz now as per my reasoning earlier. I don't know if you'd call scib not voting me a 'save' per se, but no he did not vote for me if I remember correctly. | ||
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On April 08 2013 04:57 marvellosity wrote: I mean I could lynch rayn just to get rid of him, but that doesn't seem very productive. My thoughts exactly, which is why I was confused at people jumping along with Axle's assumptions of my intentions towards him. I don't see town motivation for acting the way Rayn did, but I can't 100% see scum acting that fucking crazy; draws too much unwarranted attention and it wasn't exactly spamming under the guise of being productive, like BH. | ||
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On April 08 2013 04:58 Tunkeg wrote: You will get lynched today if I have anything to say! And what kind of ludicriss silly defense is this??!?! You thought you could just sweep my aggression under the rug, and you thought you could ignore my request. Now here we are, and I will push you like a mad man. I've already stated I didn't want to spend the rest of the day defending myself, I'd rather try to accomplish something useful; I'd like to think I've done so in my pursuit of the discussion with Ace/prplhz so we'll see. Also it's spelled ![[image loading]](http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/252/2917592.jpg) | ||
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On April 07 2013 01:46 marvellosity wrote: Good enough for me. And I'm not even kidding. On April 08 2013 04:59 marvellosity wrote: Although I am kinda tempted just to sheep Tunkeg as well, if my ego lets me. I dunno. Ball is kinda in your court, Palmar. | ||
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On April 07 2013 01:37 Tunkeg wrote: So I will leave for the evening now. I will leave you with this. Lynch WoS. Why? - His entry into thread is just total bullshit. He claims town, he tries to engage in a meaningless discussion with sci about optimal townplay, and last and most important he votes for Ace in a horrible way. Two first parts of his post looks to me like he is just trying to be active, last part looks like he is trying to join a bandwagon with absolute crap reason. + Show Spoiler + On April 05 2013 09:21 WaveofShadow wrote: Phew. Real happy I rolled town this time around; I feel really bad for whoever is on my scumteam when I roll mafia for the first time. Scib, is there no limit in this game as to how long a cycle lasts? If so I could see extending the day being a benefit to town but it really depends on the activity level in general. And Palmar one entry-post example does not a meta-case make. I'll go with marv on this one: I hear scum Ace is terrifying and last game he was town we wasted a lot of time on him and mislynched him in the end anyway. ##Vote: Ace - He is softpushing a target that have mention him as one of his scumreads. He does this by trying to make other take stances on him, perhaps to make them be the wagonpushers? By the end it looks like rayn is his main target but he refuses to push for him, he sticks with Ace. Very strange to me. + Show Spoiler + On April 05 2013 10:42 WaveofShadow wrote: Hey Axle, if you're still around, what do you make of rayn flitting about the thread thus far? I liken him unto a chicken without a head, spraying blood and entrails wherever his dying nervous system directs him. Personally I am loathe to pay him any more mind than this but it would be nice to get a fresh opinion on the matter before partaking of other more worldly pursuits. On April 05 2013 12:14 WaveofShadow wrote: Rayn's filter is now 3 pages long and it is 3 hours into the game. This is inexcusable in my opinion, as is his constant inane shitposting. From this point forward unless he changes his methodology I will hereby be ignoring any and all 'contributions' he has made. I'm not sure what other people's opinions are regarding him but I really don't feel like entertaining this kind of baseless annoying bullshit, so discuss with him and give him a forum if you must but I will take no part in it. DP, welcome to the thread. You've mentioned you have no reads thus far; I can appreciate that. Anything to add at all regarding Ace? On April 06 2013 01:42 WaveofShadow wrote: Thanks Oats. And while I have mentioned I don't want to entertain rayn in any way, my desire to assist the town by forming coherent reads on me trumps my dislike for him. Plus it's technically answering a question from marv anyway. The first half of Rayn's ridiculous filter where he talks about how scummy I am is literally him saying "LOOK AT HOW SCUMMY HE IS DID YOU JUST READ HIS POST HERP DERP" without even offering any explanation of his own. I don't know in what world people seem to think spamming of that sort is actually useful or town-aligned in any way, but whatever. Like, he switches from scib to me to iamp and back to me to Axle AND THEN BACK TO ME in the span of 3 hours and offers no proper explanation for ANY of those switches. Clearly he doesn't expect us to take him seriously, but that in itself isn't exactly town-aligned---as town you want your votes and reasoning to be heard and recognized as scumhunting, not seen as useless spam. The second half of his filter is him picking a line or two from my posts and saying "THIS IS SCUMMY, HEY EGO MM PLAYER #XX, WHAT DO YOU THINK?" Useless, shitposting, means nothing once again. With that rationale anyone can take any line from anyone's filter, point it out and ask someone better than them what they think and call that scumhunting. This is the best thing Rayn has posted to date: His reasoning where he compares himself to me at the end is laughable since as I pointed out earlier his earlier scumreads are based on literally NOTHING. This is the only 'case' of any real substance he has posted thus far so having the balls to call someone scum means absolutely nothing to me coming from him. As far as his reasoning to why I'm scummy for voting Ace? I stand by it. I have been told that Ace is one of those players who you're apparently supposed to just kill if he's still alive at some point. Ok, maybe this doesn't mean we kill him D1 but it does mean that if he is scum, as a fairly new player who has barely played with Ace I should be afraid of him. As far as Rayn suggesting that I'm saying we kill every strong player because if they're scum they are scary, I don't say that anywhere, but it does seem to be the rationale on which some later lynches on strong players are based. Maybe Rayn should look up the people he's playing with a little. As far as sheeping Marv goes, good for you, Rayn, you pointed out what I already pointed out. Want a cookie? Basing a scumread he has pushed so crazily on 3 posts 3 hours into D1 is not a strong scumread by any means and it just shows Rayn's ability to critically think essentially amounts to him reading some sort of 'Scum for Dummies' guide, pointing out some seemingly obvious tells and frantically screaming at everyone else to look at his seemingly obvious tells he pointed out. I'm not going to go so far as OMGUS on Rayn because I as well find it really difficult to believe scum would play this awfully, but I guess we'll see if a more coherent Rayn enters the thread. I am not concerned by his 'scumread' of me in the slightest, but I am more concerned by others,' however. Marv why is it you said you wanted to kill me based on Rayn's posts? - He proceeds to skip his entire attempted wagon on rayn and goes straight for prplhz. Again he attempts to get a wagon rolling, but ends up not voting for him after no one jumps on the wagon. + Show Spoiler + On April 06 2013 02:51 WaveofShadow wrote: Since no mention has been given to him so far, I have a scumread on prplhz. His filter is entirely opportunistic one-liners where he offers nothing concrete in terms of scumreads, he literally poses a random question then disappears for a while. This does not constitute scumhunting to me. On April 06 2013 02:55 WaveofShadow wrote: I've never played with prplhz before so I didn't know that. So in these other games he plays, does he ever do anything useful or is this how he decides to play the game and people just leave him alone? On April 06 2013 08:23 WaveofShadow wrote: Are you worried or something? Iamp's wasn't a random joke vote either. If you're going to start saying something then come out and say it; what about me being the only person on your 'wagon' concerns you, and what about Oats' posting concerns you specifically? And Marv as to me drawing any conclusions, I don't have any right now but I find it suspect that two people both manage to look wrongly into my posting in the exact same way. It's not even like my filter was particularly hard to read or anything; I had 3 POSTS at the time. I didn't change my vote or mention lynching at all in regards to Rayn, he just took it and went: "HE WANTS TO KILL ME HE MUST BE SCUM!!!!" One more thing regarding prplhz that I wanted to mention in case anyone finds it interesting: of all of his one liners manage to be soft defenses (except for maybe the last posts regarding Axle). Soft defense of Axle. Soft defense of Ace. Soft defense of me. Soft defenses rub me the wrong way. I'm assuming by the vote and what can now barely be constituted as pressure that Axle is prplhz's primary scumread but I'd really like to know why. -His cop out retreat from voting Ace. Claiming his vote was half assed, and only there to produce pressure. But why on earth would he keep his vote on him for that long, and defending his stance on it, after all the pressure votes and joke votes had gone?? His excuse to why he voted Ace in the first place rubs me in the wrong way. + Show Spoiler + On April 06 2013 10:01 WaveofShadow wrote: I didn't miss your last post. If that's Rayn's summary of my post it's terrible because I specifically state that I don't want to pay him any mind, I just wanted to hear Axle's opinion of him, which I (sort of) got. How that = lynch I have no idea but you seem to think is somewhat justified. Whatever. As for Ace, fine, you caught me I suppose. Not the most serious vote around but I must say considering all the reverence people seem to show him it does scare me that we haven't seen anything useful from him yet and people are willing to let him go under the pretense of 'joke pressure.' I guess though it may not make sense to consider policy lynching him as I've heard suggested before if I haven't seen him at work myself. A half-serious vote you can call it I guess, but since iamp/marv left I can't hope to generate any more discussion or anything from Ace himself, it seems. ##Unvote: Ace I could vote prplhz, but how can I be sure that isn't just his 'typical play' as Oats previously told me? - In the end he proceed to post more nothingness, and even some snide remarks about rayn. He have since been MIA, and haven't even come back to defend himself, even though by now USA should be waking up. This is the guy to lynch today. I give you the Tunkeg guarantee that he is scum. Alrighty Tunkeg. I don't agree with your analysis of my first post, I guess, but in the end it's exactly as you say it is. Meaningless discussion is all that happens at the start of every day, so excuse for me attempting to contribute to it. The discussion of my joining the Ace bandwagon already happened, and I explained it, hell you quoted it already for me in this post. When it comes to me talking about prplhz, Rayn and Ace, I have already explained myself to death about all of that; I'm just assuming you haven't read the thread since you've made this post since I DID vote for prplhz and had the vote on him all of yesterday and most of today. I also made it very clear that I was not pushing a lynch earlier on Rayn despite what you and Axle seem to think. On April 07 2013 17:14 Tunkeg wrote: What on earth did WoS do that make you guys think he redeemed himself? He gives us some weak shit about how he don't like sci defending him, and comments on the retreat from Ace. He even says "I still don't like him but since it was obvious that an Ace lynch wasn't going anywhere my already defending my vote on him would look scummy basically any time I decided to change my vote, so whatever." Clearly contradicting him saying his vote on Ace was not the most serious. And more concerning he says he retracted his vote because it would make him look scummy!!?!?!?! Really, you base your actions and your votes on what makes you look scummy or not. Like really? Isn't there anyone else that gets a creepy feeling from sentences like that? + Show Spoiler + On April 07 2013 03:31 WaveofShadow wrote: Let me address a couple other things just to clear it up since I'm on the chopping block (as it can happen any second): I am aware Scib gave me an easy out with regards to my vote on Ace and I took it. I still don't like him though but since it was obvious that an Ace lynch wasn't going anywhere, my already defending my vote on him would look scummy basically any time I decided to change my vote, so whatever. As for my meta being different between this and basically every other game I've been in....the only real difference is my activity. I even commented on that in the postgame of The Game I think; not going to be spammy anymore and I'll talk and make reads when I feel they're necessary. Change in playstyle doesn't indicate scum. All you vets especially who have to smurf because of exactly this reason, you should be well aware of this. Lynch away if you will. On April 06 2013 10:01 WaveofShadow wrote: I didn't miss your last post. If that's Rayn's summary of my post it's terrible because I specifically state that I don't want to pay him any mind, I just wanted to hear Axle's opinion of him, which I (sort of) got. How that = lynch I have no idea but you seem to think is somewhat justified. Whatever. As for Ace, fine, you caught me I suppose. Not the most serious vote around but I must say considering all the reverence people seem to show him it does scare me that we haven't seen anything useful from him yet and people are willing to let him go under the pretense of 'joke pressure.' I guess though it may not make sense to consider policy lynching him as I've heard suggested before if I haven't seen him at work myself. A half-serious vote you can call it I guess, but since iamp/marv left I can't hope to generate any more discussion or anything from Ace himself, it seems. ##Unvote: Ace I could vote prplhz, but how can I be sure that isn't just his 'typical play' as Oats previously told me? He also lists a bunch of townies, and pretty much lable everyone townies. It is not contributing at all, at least he should give us the courtesy of listing his scumreads, with reasoning. Not just randomly throw out a 2-3 names in the end. He is very close to lynch, he should make his reads available to us, not just do some halfassed like this. + Show Spoiler + On April 07 2013 03:27 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh I figure I may as well give you a little more to go on since you're all pretty dead-set on killing me. I don't like the idea of scib hard-defending me either., I'm thinking he's taking a page from kita's book in The Game where he's trying to get me to give him a townread so that he looks real good when I flip. Null for now but defs keep an eye on him. Personally all the business with Oats/DP/iamp/whoever just seems to me like townies going at townies. DP seems very town to me sepcifically. In this game I think scum are much more likely to be in the lurky category. Prplhz and Ace/Axle? He throws in some random comment about his meta in his defense, when the case against him really don't mention meta at all. It is in the first quote I posted. Overall a very unconvincing defense. Consisting of contradictions and without any justifications of his actions. When people drops off his wagon he steps it up abit, going from defeated to a bit more agressive stance on prplhz. Nothing I wouldn't expect from a scum just escaping the noose. But the remaining posts he does before he goes to bed doesn't impress me. My vote stays on WoS, and I got no clue why all of you jumped ship as soon as he made just the tiniest attempt at defending himself. I think something is rotten in the state of Denmark... Your 'creepy feeling' amounts to nothing. Can you explain to me how my sheeping of an apparent joke vote from marv onto Ace with admittedly weak reasoning (which I STILL DO stand by, btw) is scummy on its own? People sheep all the time in this game; hell Oats ASKS people to sheep him every game. The reason I was worried about appearing scummy for removing my vote is because the simple fact that my vote was still ON Ace at that point in time appeared scummy and there was no point in time at which removing it would have been 'ok' in the eyes of town. As far as the rest of this, I don't label 'everyone' towny, I don't know where you're getting that from. I gave my reads as they were at the time and that wasn't good enough for you, I get that, but too bad. It was all I had at the time; now that the game has progressed a little further I have more to go on. I get where you're coming from Tunkeg, which is why I have a townread on you right now, but just know that if your scumread on me is as strong as you say it is, you're making the scumteam very very happy at the moment. I'd suggested losing the tunnel vision for a moment and maybe start directing those 'strong scumhunting skills' you've professed to have elsewhere, otherwise they're going to waste. | ||
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On April 07 2013 17:22 Tunkeg wrote: @WoS - May I have your attention!! Now that I am the only one on your case. I will provide you with an out. Of course you can take the scummy way out and ignore me completely, as the pressure on you evaporated, but don't, I will nail you to the wall for it. The out is: Write a convincing case on prplhz with a structure that even I can comprehend, where you summarize what is scummy about him and provide quotes or references to posts. You are free to write it on someone else instead. My point is I want a scumread from you with an analysis behind, and not just some random lines. To the rest of you stay the fuck away from this, I want WoS to do it for obvious reasons! On April 08 2013 04:50 Tunkeg wrote: Palmar. Do you prefer a WoS lynch over a no-lynch? Also for the record, that shit pisses me off. 1) I don't respond to threats, or thinly-veiled patronizing attempts to make me give you what you want. If you'd see the rest of the thread when other people engage me in proper discourse they get what they want. 2) You think just because you're confident that your wagon is the only one? Take off the tunnel-vision glasses bro, they don't suit you. | ||
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On April 08 2013 05:36 marvellosity wrote: The thing is, as a general rule townies worry about this less than scummers. If a townie doesn't want his vote on someone, usually they just take it off because that's how they feel. General rules are totally always right. How 'bout dat Kenpachi rule? | ||
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On April 08 2013 06:07 Tunkeg wrote: yeah yeah, looks like my push on WoS is going nowhere. I am off to bed. Good luck and good night... So you'd rather a no-lynch than possible scum lynch all because your tunnel-vision case isn't catching on? | ||
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On April 08 2013 06:29 DarthPunk wrote: Yeah. Ace is town. I don't want to lynch ace. Well who DO you want to lynch then? I really don't want a no-lynch today and we're running out of time. | ||
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On April 08 2013 06:35 DarthPunk wrote: Because his actions make sense in the context of a town mindset, he obviously is trying to figure stuff out with the way he went about talking with WoS and traps etc. are an INSANELY townie thing to do. Also all his interactions seem natural and easy when he is actually in the thread. Ace screams townie to me. But what trap did he actually set? I asked about this and honestly it just sounds like he was setting a trap, but as I asked earlier (which he hasn't responded to), did he really expect me to get out of a supposed claim by lying about it and for me to hope suspicion on me just went away? That's the worst trap ever, and as someone who's played mafia more than, you know, ONCE I'd expect something a little....trappier? As far as doing things from a townie mindset, where in his attempt to 'figure me out' did he actually push me as a scumread? He just sorta questions offhandedly, nothing more. | ||
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Scib if we can't consolidate on Ace I would switch to Axle for the record, I've had scumreads on both for a little while. Axle has done too little too cryptically and while I know that's his 'thing,' he hasn't addressed my points on how weak his push on me seems considering its basis. Unlike Tunkeg's case which is at least coherent and has multiple points of fact involved (though wrong), Axle has none of this and instead chooses to focus on the semantics of my interaction with him and Rayn. | ||
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When this game has Ace shown any real amount of passion or interest in who we SHOULD be lynching today in comparison to the way he acted when we were flip-flopping back and forth on VE last game? | ||
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On April 08 2013 07:14 DarthPunk wrote: Yes. I am aware that they were on that list. I was just hoping I could save someone I think has a good chance of flipping town. But I could be wrong and it seems that I can't sway the thread. You have to be realistic about these things. I won't vote however in the hopes that ace appears to defend himself. Not sure that's a good way to go about it either since he went down without a fight in The Game. | ||
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On April 08 2013 07:17 AxleGreaser wrote: I have seen this post. I am comfortable with my vote where it is on WoS. I will be here for bit then nap then come back. So what you're saying, is you'd rather let the scum have their way and force a no-lynch, just like fucking Tunkeg. I don't give a fuck WHO you vote for at this point, at least DO something. This is so dumb. | ||
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On April 08 2013 03:38 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm curious about a few things, Ace. First of all, before you showed up I was already at L-1 and having tried to give town something to use upon my death, someone unvoted me. Marv, I believe. It only got better after that point, not worse and what saved my life were the posts I made before you showed up. Therefore, no need to 'blueclaim' to save my life since it was already saved, yet you show up after and tell me I shouldn't hesitate to claim my role, since you didn't believe I already did. Why try to get a claim out of me? Second, I am unsure as to what 'trap' exactly you were trying to set. Why would I explicitly lie about a claim like that? I am aware it turned out to be a misunderstanding, but do you think that as scum I would expect to just lie and get out of being under suspicion magically somehow? The fact that prplhz sees all the same things I do pretty clearly makes me suspect his scumminess if his thoughts are coming from the same place as mine, which troubles me. Prplhz, can I get something else resembling town-assisting attitude from you? If you're actually town and not scum (which is still hard for me to believe given your activity and vote choices/timing) please contribute positively. | ||
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On April 08 2013 07:31 iamperfection wrote: i dont understand all this prplhz love all of sudden. The fucker didn't even make use of his vote so all his prodding of ace is somewhat useless and didn't even have the balls to outright call ace scum. to me he looks like scared scum afraid to do anything. I agree iamp but it's the fact that he was the only other person who understood my thought process, which (to me at least) is obviously coming from a town place. | ||
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I didn't think you were saved at L-2 (which is a big reason why I didn't vote). If you were going to get lynched I'd rather you claim before the hammer and have the Town debate on that and see if it's worth keeping you alive. It's normal play in majority lynch and I'm sorry if I assumed most people around would behave like that. But once again it makes no sense for me to stick a vote on you in that situation as anyone could end the day with a hammer right after. I thought I made it clear but even though I was leaning in the direction of you being Scum I wanted a bit more information and that is how the entire "where did you claim?" thing happened. The trap was just seeing if you said "I claimed" and then when I asked, ignored it or just made up a bunch of bs where you didn't really claim but implied it. Like I already said you had no idea I was referring to a roleclaim, and I had no clue you were referring to your post early in the game. As to the bolded - yes. Scum do it all the time because they don't think Townies are reading the thread You assume 'most people' would behave like that. Immediately trying to discredit my play and make me look bad. If in my mind I already claimed then there was no need to even do so at L-2 since it already happened, never mind what a 'normal player' would do. Obviously if I were in real danger of being lynched I'd blueclaim; do you not remember the clusterfuck in The Game? Of course I knew you were referring to a roleclaim but I assumed the fact that I told you I did which would direct attention to my first post, without adding any extra info that would make VT the appropriate assumption; we've been over this though, unfair assumption on my part I guess, but you assume I just don't know what you're talking about at all. And as to the bolded, I have never seen scum make that kind of a slip; define 'all the time,' please. It seems you're living in a fictional mafia world where every player is terrible. | ||
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On April 08 2013 08:02 prplhz wrote: @ace what exactly are you trying to do with now and how are you trying to accomplish it? Hey, you. Get your vote off me and to somewhere useful please. That goes for Rayn too. | ||
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On April 08 2013 08:15 Ace wrote: I don't know where I implied my read was based on you being a bad player. It was entirely based on catching you in a lie. I don't know how many different ways I can say this. I'm not trying to discredit your play either. An early game post where you post "Phew. Real happy I rolled town this time around" isn't going to be taken as a legit Town claim. Especially when you are under 0 pressure and everyone is just joking around to start the game. I think you're being unrealistic on that one. You can read any of my Mafia games and the attached QTs where I explictly talk about Townies not reading the thread, not seeing Scum lie all because we know they won't go back and look. But I don't want to go further on this as a discussion on this doesn't help the current situation in the thread right now. I already said you're right in that it was unfair of me to make that assumption I did. Let's move on from here: Why vote Marv right now when you know that no traction will be gained from it and we're already fighting a no-lynch due to stubborn people like Tunkeg? On April 08 2013 08:18 AxleGreaser wrote: The number of people I discuss things with would depend on the number of questions I had about what people had done. The tendency not to interfere when another person is applying pressure also means, if someone else in the thread is asking the right questions i can listen to there answers rather than just chime in with me too questions. How deeply id you think about why the difference if there is one might exist? Did you ask if there could be a towny reason for the difference? Did you consider the options above? I think I hate your posting just as much as Rayn's....the worst part is I can't even tell what it is about it that I don't like, bad grammar? Convoluted language? It's like having aphasia or something; it makes my brain hurt. Before everyone jumps on my dick his posting LANGUAGE is not why I find him scummy. | ||
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On April 08 2013 08:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Does anyone else think marv's notes on Axle are kinda... terrible? You're not allowed to say things like that until you have something to show yourself. | ||
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On April 08 2013 08:30 Ace wrote: @WoS: I'm up for being convinced about Axle, but I don't think a meta-lynch based on his activity is a strong enough reason. I also mentioned Tunkeg since I think he/she has been even more absent. Here is my defense of his 'pressure' towards me: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168¤tpage=46#904 (Read the underlined/bolded sections and the one at the bottom) and then this: On April 08 2013 06:47 WaveofShadow wrote: Where are Axle, Rayn and Ace? And prplhz you're going to keep your vote on me despite your apparent push on Ace? Scib if we can't consolidate on Ace I would switch to Axle for the record, I've had scumreads on both for a little while. Axle has done too little too cryptically and while I know that's his 'thing,' he hasn't addressed my points on how weak his push on me seems considering its basis. Unlike Tunkeg's case which is at least coherent and has multiple points of fact involved (though wrong), Axle has none of this and instead chooses to focus on the semantics of my interaction with him and Rayn. From my perspective if I didn't know better I would think his convoluted posting style was some sort of method to prevent people from reading his filter properly but I've seen that's not true. Mainly it comes down to very little effort from him and what he chooses to focus on. | ||
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On April 08 2013 08:40 Palmar wrote: Actually let's narrow it down. Ace, Sciberbia. Pick your poison guys. Given that people haven't been able to consolidate at all thus far, I don't think people are going to listen to your random choice of two people (despite the fact that I'm already voting for Ace). I've already stated my vote for today will be on either Ace/Axle/Rayn and I will consolidate as necessary to make sure there is a lynch. WHOA HOLY SHIT A POST FROM RAYN THAT ISNT SHIT GIMME A SEC READING Alright Rayn, expand on your post. Are you insinuating that Marv is scum or Axle is? Or both? Also prplhz every time you post I like you more. This especially: On April 08 2013 08:43 prplhz wrote: okay i simply cannot believe ace's "scum lie because they know townies don't read the thread"-thing. it's rather hilarious considering that everybody in this thread caught the supposed "lie", some (hello) even knew what the hell WoS was talking about (the town claim in the beginning). he seriously thinks that, when it comes to a claim, WoS is banking on not a single one of the many town players in this game will gloss over his filter and fact check it. i just cannot wrap my head around that line of thought. a lie in itself doesn't mean anything though, ace never explains why on earth scum would lie about this. "because he knows they will not catch him" is simply not a reason to lie. technically, all fits. ace could have seen it as a lie and then he could lynch him because townies don't lie. but that's the laziest excuse i have seen in as long as i can remember and ace isn't even recanting or anything, he's dead serious about it. i simply don't get it. Why the fuck would I do that as a newbie scum? And not only that, 'gloss over my filter' at the point in the game was like less than a page. That is really what scum try to get away with apparently? Ugh I let Ace off too easily it seems....glad my vote is still on him. | ||
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On April 08 2013 08:59 prplhz wrote: i simply just want both dead. can we push them both to 6 and then put them both to 7 at the same time for a double lynch? Really? You do? On April 08 2013 08:55 prplhz wrote: i can't believe axle just appeared out of fucking nowhere when we were about to lynch ace. | ||
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Ace for reasons I already explained and as for prplhz it gives him an excuse for not switching to Ace in the first place despite pushing him all day. | ||
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##Unvote: Ace ##Vote: AxleGreaser ![[image loading]](http://www.smashbros.com/en_uk/items/assist/images/assist15/assist15_080206_art9.jpg) | ||
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On April 08 2013 09:35 marvellosity wrote: It's Ace and one of Tunkeg/rayn. Choose your poison. Wow if it actually turns out like this I'ma be fairly happy with my performance this game for once. What is this specific reasoning for Tunkeg being included? | ||
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On April 08 2013 09:42 marvellosity wrote: People are being blinded by results rather than means :/ Who's 'people?' You really worry about what Rayn thinks, with his expert analysis? | ||
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Not that it matters. | ||
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Can someone explain to me EXACTLY why what I said matters in any way? | ||
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On April 09 2013 00:46 Oatsmaster wrote: You had 1 target. There are 3 scum. Why didnt you think of finding another target or even READING anything about the other people up for lynch? The whole last half of your filter is all WoS. NOTHING else. This. If you all remember, Axle did the exact same thing..... | ||
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Same with prplhz - the way in which he attacked Ace (not the fact that he attacked him) made him look really towny to me but it doesn't really explain his voting nicely to me. Ace imo is the strongest lynch and since I was fully prepared to see him hang yesterday, I have no problem voting him now. ##Vote: Ace | ||
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On April 10 2013 02:14 Ace wrote: god damnit I was at work v_v gg all GG Ace. Someday I'll understand your playstyle. Also I'm back hai guise. | ||
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Tunkeg disappeared before the Axle lynch properly came into fruition, correct? This means at the time Tunkeg saw his that his lynch on me was going nowhere (knowing I'm town), but assuming he had enough towncred based on his push on me to last him the evening/the game so he could leave without switching his vote to a more likely mislynch than mine. This way, if Ace did go down D1 he can stand up and say "HAY GUISE LOOK AT WHAT YOU DID U ALL SUCK I TOLD YOU NOT TO LYNCH HIM," and look: On April 10 2013 00:35 Tunkeg wrote: WTF guys, why do you go on to lynch someone 12 hours after the night post? I think thats fucked up. Especially after a day 1 scumlynch, with a bunch of information and a hell of a lot of work to do if you are trying to figure the game out. Can we calm the fuck down and discuss the lynches and not rush into crap ass lynches? On April 10 2013 00:41 Tunkeg wrote: So why am I not looking good again? For not putting my vote on scumbuddy Ace before going to bed? Oh, yeah, I forgot you guys rushed out of the gates and killed him, and he was town. I think you are looking shittier and shittier to be honest. You jumped the bandwagon early on Axle, while claiming it had shit chances to succeed, softdefending and bussing at the same time, you led the town to a crap lynch on Ace, and now you are going after me. To be honest you have been wrong as fuck in this game, and as I allways say, a bad Palmar is a scum Palmar. Again, it's not this on it's own that actually gives me a scumread on him, it's the timing aspect of how everything worked out. I think if he were about to go to bed and instead it was Axle on the block at the time, he WOULD have switched his vote since all he wanted was towncred at the time. And of course the lack of any coherent reads besides the one on me ALL GAME looks like ass. | ||
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On April 10 2013 06:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: I get the feeling that ypu are nowhere near confirmed town because the confirmed scum Axle didn't want to lynch you when he could have at least nearly hammered you and suddenly when there is no more pressure on you he suddenly did want to lynch you. And you not hammering him does not make you look any townie because Ace would have done that anyways. You also have the weird interaction with Axle about me where you ask about my playstyle and in the same post give him a ready answer to your own question. mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmeh. | ||
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I'm leaning Rayn but I could also go prplhz. | ||
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##Vote: Oatsmaster Makes more sense to me than prplhz or Rayn right now considering the sheer effort. Now I believe there was some questions n' shit for me? Someone want to reiterate what they want? | ||
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On April 11 2013 08:56 Ace wrote: quick lynching bastards All 'bout dem quick lynches. Whatever Ace I still like your indecipherable play better than RoL who I watched in Noir pull the same shit he did in The Game and blame others for the loss. | ||
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On April 11 2013 09:00 Ace wrote: np. Lynching me was inevitable if going by sciberbia's theory (which turned out correct) and neither Oats or Tinkeg flipped. I just wished people read my scenario where if I was Scum why didn't I hammer you when I had the chance. Thought that was a dead giveaway but prp tunneled me to death and that got swept under the rug. Yeah my issue was as I said prp's thought processes were more or less exactly what I was thinking about you at the time; imo real hard to do something like that as scum. I figured you not hammering me would be because you'd be worried about how it would look bad rather than just go balls out for the mislynch but I guess not hammering (as can be seen in the scum QT) is just considered bad scum paly. | ||
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On April 08 2013 10:38 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh yeah that's right, I could theoretically be LR or a Miller or something. Not that it matters. | ||
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On April 11 2013 09:09 Ace wrote: it sounded like something Scum would say in a QT aka thinking out loud. "oh hey neat, I could always claim Miller if I get Cop'd" Sems WIFOM-y to me though, it literally was just me thinking out loud. Ugh, once again though I really should just keep my mouth shut rather than post everything that comes to mind, I get the issue I suppose. Whatever either way I think this game went a lot better than my last few; didn't freak out when under the gun, posted coherent reads, didn't spam. | ||
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On April 11 2013 23:22 marvellosity wrote: Well, that's the magic isn't it. If you can tell me how players who regularly have low thread impact can all of a sudden have high thread impact, I'm all ears. Mafia will suddenly become a super ez game for everyone  I would argue that I'm usually one of those players who has low thread impact. I've also never rolled scum. Do you know for certain that I won't magically become a good scum player once I finally roll it, or that I'll finally learn what I've been doing wrong in all these games and actually start being a strong town/overall player? You don't, and neither do I just yet. I just don't see the inherent benefit in not RNGing the teams; there's going to be skill imbalances in every game (read: BW/LoL/etc) and one-sided stomps based on which team is better than another. I'm with scib in that I don't think that's a bad thing necessarily. I'd much rather be destroyed by a really good scumteam (or town if I ever hit scum) knowing it was a random selection. | ||
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(Although Jesus DP, based on your record any time you're in a game we can predict the winner lol) | ||
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On April 12 2013 01:03 marvellosity wrote: Yeah, stats in mafia are a very interesting thing, for reasons you mention and others. I've played 40 (!) games here and been lynched once as town and twice as mafia. I've only been lynched once, and it was right at the end of LX. Does that mean I'm a good player too? | ||
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On April 12 2013 01:55 marvellosity wrote: Just as an arbitrary example for this game, if we take 1500 ELO to be 'starting' ELO with 2500 being totally exceptional and 500 being very poor, you might see something like the following (apologise in advance for over/under estimating players, more for shits and giggles) 1. iamperfection; town ELO 2000 mafia ELO 1000 2. WaveofShadow; town ELO 1500 mafia ELO 1500 3. Ace; town ELO 2100 mafia ELO 2500 4. prplhz; town ELO 1600 mafia ELO 1200 5. DarthPunk; town ELO 2000 mafia ELO 2000 6. Oatsmaster; town ELO 1400 mafia ELO 1300 7. Tunkeg; town ELO 1500 mafia ELO 1500 8. Palmar; town ELO 2400 mafia ELO 2000 9. marvellosity; town ELO 2100 mafia ELO 2400 10. Axlegreaser; town ELO 1300 mafia ELO 1300 11. raynpelinkeet; town ELO 1600 mafia ELO 1600 12. sciberbia; town ELO 2100 mafia ELO 1700 Average strength of mafia team: 4100/3 = 1366.6 Average strength of town team: 17400/9 = 1933.3 Best theoretical mafia team: 6900/3 = 2300 Worst theoretical town team: 15000/9 = 1666.6 Average town ELO: 21600/12 = 1800 Average mafia ELO: 20000/12 = 1666.6 I'm not sure what the point of doing something like this is with no real mathematical way of estimating skill. | ||
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On April 12 2013 02:00 marvellosity wrote: Well the thing is, it becomes much less arbitrary if I go back many games and factor in results of each game, because ELO by its nature is self-correcting. So if I make a guess that's originally too high, if they lose games then their rating would fall quite quickly. Yes but the point I'm making is, there is no REAL mathematical way of estimating skill like this. Any numbers you come up with or what a win or loss does to this arbitrary number is still just that, arbitrary. As a player plays more and more games in a team setting, elo becomes more accurate supposedly, but with a sample size like TL Mafia, there is absolutely no way a skill rating like elo would come close to being an accurate representation. There are WAY too many mitigating factors such as the hosts, style of game (mini/normal/themed/whatever), roles available, who is playing in said game, etc. Theoretically this would matter less if people could play hundreds of games but that doesn't happen here. | ||
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On April 11 2013 09:03 WaveofShadow wrote: Yeah my issue was as I said prp's thought processes were more or less exactly what I was thinking about you at the time; imo real hard to do something like that as scum. I figured you not hammering me would be because you'd be worried about how it would look bad rather than just go balls out for the mislynch but I guess not hammering (as can be seen in the scum QT) is just considered bad scum play. | ||
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On April 12 2013 03:42 marvellosity wrote: Can't argue with 100% as mafia. Teach me! The sheer number of stats there are like your 1-6 town record would make ratings quite amusing. I like that I'd be higher on that elo scale than scib just because I got carried to more wins and caused fewer losses. + Show Spoiler + | ||
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