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On April 04 2013 15:15 wherebugsgo wrote: holy penis you spelled /in wrongly.  | ||
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On April 05 2013 00:39 marvellosity wrote: Axle is my favourite player on TL Mafia, no jokes. He does make a lot of them though. | ||
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Im not treating any of rayn's posts as serious attempts to get anyone lynched. no reads :/ | ||
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Give at least like a paragraph with reasoning before you ask others. WHY DONT YOU LYNCH WOS? HUHUHHUUH!!!. | ||
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On April 05 2013 15:57 Tunkeg wrote: Hi, just checking in to say I won't be able to read or post until later today, after work. WHY WOULD YOU POST THEN? Did you at least skim the thread? | ||
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On April 05 2013 17:21 Palmar wrote: Alright time to see what's going on in the thread. @marv: on a scale of 1-10 how certain are you that I'm town? @Oats: go yell at someone please. Everyone is being remarkably sane at the moment :/ Except rayn but he already got shouted at. | ||
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On April 05 2013 17:58 Palmar wrote: what do you think of sciberbia and iamperfection Oats? Iamp is being useless and his spam was contained in a very short period of time. Probably due to time constrains and sleep though. Feels like town Iamp especially with irritation with rayn for being an idiot. AFAIK he hasnt rolled scum in forever so I dont see meta as being very useful. So marv is basically useless in this case. | ||
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Read his filter now He starts with random setup speculation with a really really fucking obvious answer if he even followed vaguely any instant majority lynch game. Yeah all setup speculation and trying to justify his argument, 'to start discussion' YEAH you dont do that with such a bad question. It looked like a setup and for him to look active with easy stuff to post. On April 05 2013 09:39 sciberbia wrote: I don't follow your logic. You think Palmar is scum because he isn't trolling? Why don't you explain why you want to kill WoS.. Yeah sniping marv and asking really 'snipy' questions. Feeling off right now, leaning scum on him ##Vote: Sci So Palmar any initial reads? | ||
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On April 05 2013 20:27 marvellosity wrote: I have a slight townread on you, dunno how that translates into 1-10. Looks like I'm not gonna get Ace lynched today... *serious hat* ##Unvote Why does everyone come in here and not offer ANYTHING. Who do you want to lynch marv? ?WHOOO | ||
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On April 05 2013 20:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: There is no need to say this. This doesn't say shit. General information, doesn't say anything. First he is saying he's going with marv. So he is voting for Ace because marv is voting for Ace? Another "reason" for Ace vote is "because Ace is scary as scum". roflskates. So we should kill every strong player because if they are scum they are scary? If this is a pressure vote it's like the worst pressure vote i have ever seen because the reasons are so terrible. WoS is not even taking responsibility from his own vote, as he is just "sheeping marv". Other than that his posts are about me "shitposting". Yes i might have not reasoned why i think some people are scum, but at least i am telling i think some people are scum. And i think you are one. Are you gonna stop shitposting? PLEASE STOP SHITPOSTING. Thanks. I dont know about this though, seems like noob townie rather than scummy. What is the difference in this case Rayn? | ||
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On April 05 2013 21:02 Palmar wrote: The fact the townread isn't stronger worries me slightly, I'd have expected you to know for sure I'm town by now. But I guess I can just stick that into my bag of worry about it later things along with what happened yesterday. Can you just confirm yourself one alignment or the other to bear me the annoyance of having to find out? Marv isnt trying to evict people from the premises totes town dude. totes town. | ||
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On April 05 2013 21:42 iamperfection wrote: why does it look like ace isnt get lynched? what has he done to make you think he is not scum? Why are you being passive? Why are you not pushing for what you want? why am i forced to ask these questions? are you scum? Reads? Or is Ace your scum read for being Ace? | ||
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On April 05 2013 21:50 iamperfection wrote: does nobody read my fucking posts i said ace is scum because he bothered to chime in but has no scum hunted or added to the discussion at all. Lazy marv is scum marv if he isn't trying to get what he wants he looks scum to me. Chill out mr grumpy pants  What is different about Ace's town games in this game Iamp? | ||
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On April 05 2013 21:56 iamperfection wrote: i would kill all lurkers everywhere ever if i could. just saying. Every game(mini) Ive seen someone say this, they are scum. #justsaying | ||
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On April 05 2013 21:59 iamperfection wrote: im not going to entertain a meta argument for what ace has done. - Pointless filler posts that add nothing to the discussion - no posts that look like they are trying to figure out other peoples alignments - general lurking if that's not scum motivated i dont know what is. Again you do this too sometimes and you arent scum when you do this. CONVINCE ME. | ||
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On April 05 2013 21:59 iamperfection wrote: cool story if you want to say something to me just say it If you can do it, I CAN DO IT TOO. Hmmph. Who pissed in your breakfast this morning? | ||
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On April 05 2013 22:01 iamperfection wrote: wtf are you looking for you don't need a super long case to see why ace is scum. how about my old standby he does not give a shit about town. that good enough Damn. I was hoping for a paragraph out of you. Its like bigfoot. Rumored to exist but NEVER BEEN SEEN. | ||
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On April 05 2013 22:12 Palmar wrote: marv was lazy as town last time I played with him, are you just trying to lynch anyone? ##vote iamperfection what the hell palmar. WHAT IN THE WORLD DO YOU SEE IN IAMPS PLAY THAT MAKES HIM SCUM AND NOT how iamp normally is? | ||
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On April 05 2013 22:38 iamperfection wrote: not what i said at all. i said scum marv tends to be lazy and doesn't push for what HE wants. Wait. WHAT? Where are you getting that from? What? | ||
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On April 05 2013 22:50 iamperfection wrote: quicker people stop being useless the better don't care what their name is. You dont use meta or you do use meta? It cant be one or the other. Ace you said is scummy FUCK META Marv you said is scummy CAUSE META. WHICH IS IT? | ||
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On April 05 2013 22:52 DarthPunk wrote: I'm not sure how the others feel, but having the longest filter comprised of the scummiest/shittiest posts is not doing anything for me sweetheart. Thats taken by rayn, but Iamp is catching up :o ITS A RACE TO THE WORSE FILTER IN THE GAME | ||
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On April 05 2013 22:57 iamperfection wrote: yes it can ill do what i please if it will help me find scum I know marv extremely well i do not know ace also do not tell me how to play You cant go. Oh I meta marv as scum. And ignore meta evidence for Ace being town. WTF DOODE. Ace is a timebomb by the way, the longer he goes without being productive, the more suspicious I get. Like in THE GAME. He pushed a totally awful lynch, but he was active. Here not so much. | ||
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On April 05 2013 23:58 iamperfection wrote: just for clarification what are your reads oats.. Scum on Sci i have townreads I dont want to disclose. | ||
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Null on other people too. | ||
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I HAVE ALL THE READS ^_^ | ||
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What is this 'not bad day 1 lynch' What is the criteria for 'day 1 lynch'? Why does day 1 differ from day 2/3/4? | ||
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On April 06 2013 00:30 Palmar wrote: today is day 1, thus I don't see why I would discuss day 2 lynches now. We should be discussing day 1 lynches, right? I meant why specify. DAY 1 as opposed to lynch? It sounds like you are ordering up the mislynches. Day 1: this dude Day 2: this dude Day 3: this dude. | ||
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On April 06 2013 00:32 marvellosity wrote: On the other hand, what you're doing here is something I'm prone to doing as town, thinking I should look townier to other people than I do. Wait so its not an Iamp thing? MY WHOLE WORLD IS COLLAPSING | ||
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On April 06 2013 00:37 marvellosity wrote: How does it sound like that? He's only talking about Day 1... Am I not making myself clear? Im reading it as we kill this guy day 1 and only day 1 because he is a good lynch on day 1. Like day 1 as in generally, not specifically. DOES IT NOT READ LIKE THAT TO YOU? | ||
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On April 06 2013 00:41 Tunkeg wrote: Besides this there isn't a whole lot to comment on. There is a bunch of players who haven't contributed much (myself included) who need to get in to the game and start playing. How do you propose we create more content? Like you seem to be complaining and you admit you are part of the problem, SO what do you want to fix it? Read on Sciberia everybody? Why do you not want to lynch him everyone who doesnt want to lynch him? | ||
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Besides this there isn't a whole lot to comment on. There is a bunch of players who haven't contributed much (myself included) who need to get in to the game and start playing. How is this not complaining? DUDES YOU POSTED SO USELESS STUFF. I want you to answer my question, not to get annoyed. What? I dont feel how I generated this hostility. Mocsta 2.0? | ||
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On April 06 2013 00:58 Tunkeg wrote: Lol, give me a break man. I haven't been able to play until now. Start time in the middle of the night here, and then work after. And where the fuck am I complaining? I just gave my initial read on the game, the only thing slightly close to complaining is the "Damn these games get alot of pages quick". What is even the purpose of your post? Is it to get me fucking annoyed from the get go? EBWOP: I mean this hostility. You want to kill me. Why? | ||
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On April 06 2013 01:15 Tunkeg wrote: It is not complaining, it is just an observation. What question do you want me to answer? How we get more content? We get more content from discussing what have happend in thread. Usefull stuff, not things like how do you propose we get more content. I don't know where you are going with this, so I'll just leave it at that. I COMMAND YOU TO DISCUSS. Im waiting *taps foot* | ||
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This is why I want to lynch scib On April 05 2013 19:24 Oatsmaster wrote: EBWOP: Forgot to put in Sci Read his filter now He starts with random setup speculation with a really really fucking obvious answer if he even followed vaguely any instant majority lynch game. Yeah all setup speculation and trying to justify his argument, 'to start discussion' YEAH you dont do that with such a bad question. It looked like a setup and for him to look active with easy stuff to post. Yeah sniping marv and asking really 'snipy' questions. Feeling off right now, leaning scum on him ##Vote: Sci So Palmar any initial reads? Do you agree/disagree and WHY? On April 06 2013 01:17 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh hai guise. Just finished an exam, did well on another and I'm feelin' gooooooooood. SO whass all this I come back to? Errrboddy got a scum read on me yet nobody wants to throw a vote over this way, huh? K. Hai Oats. It's a pleasure to be in a game with you finally. Apparently Marv's vote on Ace was a joke and some sort of bait into seeing if he could get anyone else to vote with him so he could name them scummy? Or something? He calls Rayn looney but agrees with his horribly bad analysis of my 3 posts...not sure why such a seemingly solid player is associating himself with a read like that but anyway....do YOU have a read on me or any opinion regarding Ace? I am null on you, as I said to people earlier, prove why this is not noob town and in fact is scum. No one has done that and everyone has dropped it. Earlier, I said that again, Im null on Ace, as far as I know he does this with both alignments, but the longer he goes without a coherent push in any direction, the more solid my read gets on him. | ||
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On April 06 2013 01:38 Tunkeg wrote: So if I follow you you want to lynch sciberbia for: - Trying to start a discussion on optimal town strategy regarding length of days - Posting a couple of questions to marv and rayn This because you lable both these posts as useless and fillers. My take is: His posts are made early on day one, and I don't see that his posts are any worse or any better than other posts made at the same time. I can't read any allignement indicative things from his posts thus far. So I would say I disagree with you. He is a null read to me. He needs to post more, thats all. DID YOU EVEN READ THE POSTS? The point is that the 'discussion' he started was horrible, of course longer days are better and of course too long days are bad although with non newbies I dont really think thats an issue. So he is scum cause he wants to LOOK like he is contributing but he didnt actually want to help town. The questions are not even meant to elicit a proper response, they are questions to try and get the subject, in this case, marv angry and DISRUPT the thread like BH. When this is his only contribution, Its looking really bad. | ||
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On April 06 2013 01:42 WaveofShadow wrote: As far as his reasoning to why I'm scummy for voting Ace? I stand by it. I have been told that Ace is one of those players who you're apparently supposed to just kill if he's still alive at some point. Ok, maybe this doesn't mean we kill him D1 but it does mean that if he is scum, as a fairly new player who has barely played with Ace I should be afraid of him. Wait what? Still alive at some point means day 1? Where do you get this? Why dont you pressure marv too? He is a scary good scum player as well. Why Ace if you want to kill the 'players to policy lynch if still alive'? Why should you be afraid of dudes? huuuuh? Did you suddenly lose ALL SELF CONFIDENCE, to kill people who are scary rather than scum? What. ? | ||
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I skimmed the game. nothing stood out other than Rayns bullshit. Palmar asked me specifically to look at Sci and Iamp So I did And with the absence of Rayn(so important) I saw scummy behavior in your posting. And weird shit with Iamp. Maybe with Hapa, his babysitter, he gets a bit cranky Oh man im not posting 'original content' SURE SIGN OF SCUM RIGHT SCI? | ||
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On April 06 2013 02:09 iamperfection wrote: i like that marv pressured me by the way just a tid bit for you guys. Iamp giving townreads for no reason. TOWN IAMP | ||
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On April 06 2013 02:31 Ace wrote: do you think Palmar asking you to do that for those two specifically might have given you predetermined bias? Possibly, especially with his voting. But I dont think so in this situation. Sciberia IS BLINDING YOU.. Also push someone or you are scum | ||
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On April 06 2013 02:51 WaveofShadow wrote: Since no mention has been given to him so far, I have a scumread on prplhz. His filter is entirely opportunistic one-liners where he offers nothing concrete in terms of scumreads, he literally poses a random question then disappears for a while. This does not constitute scumhunting to me. Thats what he does as either alignment dear. You gotta have something more than that | ||
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On April 06 2013 02:55 Ace wrote: I don't know if you're trolling but be serious. the random bullshit part of the day is over. Keep going, I want to hear something from you regarding Opinions and not criticism | ||
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Damn that was a long day. DP feels like personality DP and not town DP(whatever game) Iamp feels like town IAMP I SAID THAT ALREADY NOW SHEEP ME. + Show Spoiler + ##Vote sci | ||
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This post especially On April 06 2013 12:52 Ace wrote: But him saying people shouldn't be allowing me to do "nothing" because I've got a rep resonated with me. I love when players say that so I kinda want to keep him around for that. Who wants to keep people around? scum. THATS RIGHT. Also even after WoS said that thing, Ace didnt change his playstyle and try and help town. He is firmly in the back of the chorus line for this game rather than a soloist. Weird activity considering he was the main proponents of the VE mislynch. Granted that was day 2.(Doesnt clear my suspicions) Also he posts this, On April 06 2013 06:53 Ace wrote: I don't think anything prp has done tells us of his alignment or gets us anywhere right now. I think the two issues at hand are WoS being the only serious person on my wagon after the random joke votes stopped, and Oats' posting. And doesnt do JACK SHIT about ANY OF THIS. Just asks a random question On April 06 2013 12:32 Ace wrote: is Rayne always this impulsive? ??? Marv is scum Ace generally useless? | ||
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This is basically  uhuh DP. Hypocrite. | ||
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On April 06 2013 23:27 marvellosity wrote: Oats, the primary time I remember Ace as mafia is Wheel of Fortune, where he basically backed the obvious mislynches on the basis that they'd done scummy things (MrZentor, Bluelightz). He's not actually pushing an agenda in this game it doesn't seem, so I dunno what to think of him right now. Huh. Is this like the Palmar town read in Red where he was scum in my eyes but town in yours? | ||
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On April 06 2013 23:29 DarthPunk wrote: No. That is not good enough. You can't just give reads because you 'feel' something with no backup. That is unacceptable. You cannot give town reads because you 'feel' something that is entirely unacceptable. And now you are repeating something that obviously provoked me and caused me to trash the thread a bit beforehand. Now I am really wondering what it is that you have done, and why it makes you town. And reading your filter I really can't see anything. Um I can give reads. But im not pushing them you see. I am creating a discussion point. You are taking this EXTREMELY seriously. Why? Also why did you wait for me to respond before posting this more logical piece instead of posting it earlier, rather than 'BULLSHIT I SAY, BULLSHIT' | ||
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On April 06 2013 23:29 marvellosity wrote: No, it's like my current Ace read in Ego Mini Mafia ^_^ Is the Ace in THE GAME the typical town Ace? | ||
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On April 06 2013 23:33 DarthPunk wrote: Because I didn't think I would have to explain to you why it was unacceptable. Obviously I did. So you are giving out useless reads with no meaning behind them and no information for town and then not pushing them. Cool story bro. Im getting the feeling that you are only caring because I think that you are scummy. As opposed to the actual content of my post. What is different about Iamp this game rather than last game DP for you to want to lynch him SO FUCKING HARD? | ||
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INTO THE GROUND. or rope in this case. On April 06 2013 05:58 sciberbia wrote: Alright marv let's talk about Oats. I went through the first few pages of his town filter from Red Team, and here is what I found significant:
Also, I missed this before, but either he somehow misunderstood what I was saying, or this part of his case against me is quite a reach. Want to ask him about it, but he's apparently gone for 16+ hours. + Show Spoiler + On April 06 2013 01:50 Oatsmaster wrote: The questions are not even meant to elicit a proper response, they are questions to try and get the subject, in this case, marv angry and DISRUPT the thread like BH. When this is his only contribution, Its looking really bad. Overall, reading his previous filter hasn't changed my read on him. I'm still leaning scum. I assume you disagree based on your telling me to read his previous filter. Can you explain why? This 'analysis' is mostly summary and I dont see ANYTHING of the sciberia that was nk'ed early in THE GAME. [*] One of my favorite qualities in comparing filters is how "on point" the players posts are. Is he posting just to post, or are his posts right in line with the big issues in the thread? In his red team filter, his posts seem very on point. They all have clear purpose, and go somewhere. I see significantly more "out there" posts in his filter this game. Especially this, it feels like the 'criteria' that iGrok had in MTG2 where you fit posts into slots. (iGrok was scum btw) He also didnt bother to check his meta read against any other games that I played. He has had a low impact in the thread so far and again, doesnt feel like the town sciberia im used to seeing. | ||
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On April 06 2013 23:54 sciberbia wrote: Hey guys. I just have a few minutes. Axle, I don't have any questions for you. I don't think anything you posted was scummy. Palmar/marv you are wrong about my alignment. I'm busy today but in 7 or 8 hours from now I can sit down and have a chat. I also don't know why you think I'm scum with WoS. I'm thinking town on WoS if you couldn't tell from my posts earlier. For lack of time, I'll just post my notes: 2) WaveofShadow - claims town in first post when he knows it may draw attention - draws attention by making multi-line posts and not spamming - in and out of thread - huge-ass post for no reason - conspiracy theory (?) with Axle and Rayn - "you got me" post about his vote on Ace - philosophical problem with Ace/prplhz CONCLUSION: thinking town Oh hey scib. Why this random ass townread on WoS? Why? | ||
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On April 06 2013 23:59 DarthPunk wrote: Whatever dude. I am actually trying and my posts are not idiotic like you are making them out to be. So quit it please. Do you have any reads other than Iamp? Can you answer my question on Iamp please? (Im asking nicely this time, next time maybe not) | ||
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Scib didnt post anything in the period I was on last night. Get your details right. So when marv asked me why I thought Scib was scum, NOTHING CHANGED. Damn you missed SO much in my filter DP. Intentionally? Or not? Why is my flipflopping on Iamp scummy DP? Also with the slightest bit of pressure, IE asking you to explain difference between town Iamp and this one. YOU DROP IT? What DP? | ||
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Tsk. | ||
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what did you say about DP? In 1 short sentence pls | ||
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I dont know, again, this seems similar to personality 2 where he had a shitfest with Marv. Guess what? He was scum there. | ||
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Summary. Tone in jovial posts seems very similar to personality rather than THE GAME for DP. I was wrong about the violent posting, I dont see it anywhere but I dont think its alignment indicative. | ||
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On April 07 2013 00:57 iamperfection wrote: oats want to kill axle? I dont read his posts. But Im not feeling the same activity in Noir. Convince me. DP what does a themed game have to do with your meta? You brush it away by saying. ITS WRONG OHH ITS WRONG. Point it out for me since im clearly a 'dumbass'/scum please? | ||
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On April 06 2013 23:57 DarthPunk wrote: I don't like oates this game. Apart from the trolling/shit posts in his filter most of his contributions come from an extremely wishy-washy IAMP read. Part 1: The Iamp mess. Here is the beginning of his entirely odd read of IAMP. He is scummy trait one and two but probably town. 1.summery of filter 2. conclusion. Scummy? no. Here he is scum potentially No thats a joke. Understand it? clearly not. Then he asks IAMP his previous town then scum read to convince him he is town. He was never my scumread. I asked Iamp to convince me that ACE WAS SCUM? CANT YOU READ FOOL? Another dig at Iamperfection who he has most recently called scum and whom Oats is waiting to be convinced on. And here is the gold. 'What the hell palmar' screams oates in all caps. Why are you voting for obviously town IAMP despite my previous read being scum rather than town. and then back to attacking IAMP and his arguments despite typing in all caps that Iamp was townie to plamar. Asking for consistency in reads is bad? never knew dude. Part 2: The non push on sciberbia. Oats has made one case all game. It was made after he was asked to look into this person and it consists of this. This is the worst case in the world for day three or day two or any day that is not day one. He is voting him based on sciberbia speculating setup at the beginning of the game That would be fine if that was a start of game discussion vote or whatever but it is not. And this one 'cases' has been clung to for the rest of the day by oats. although his vote has been parked there since that time he has not pushed his lynch or provided anything at all to add to this shitty start of game 'case' In fact. He doersn;t even MENTION sciberbia again until Iamp asks him. Yeah whats the point? He hasnt posted anymore, Im supposed to be like rayn? He is hanging on to his shitty day one case and not providing anything to back it up. When marv correctly asks WHY? we want to lynch sciberbia. He copy pastes the same shitty day one case. Marv asked me to ask Tunkeg questions instead of shouting at him. This is why I said you ignored a lot of my filter. Also again, sci hasnt posted since I made that case. You also still dont say why its shitty. Just go, SETUP SPECULATION ITS FINE He has yet to give any compelling reasons or arguments for town to lynch sciberbia and has relied on a day one case based on a pressure vote as his case to sit on all game. DESPITE being somewhat active he has done little to push his lynch unless prompted. Any other mention of sciberbia is a throwaway line and he DOES NOT PUSH AT ALL OR FURTHER HIS NUMBER ONE SCUM READ AND VOTE OF THE ENTIRE GAME. Um no dude? Oats is scum. Discuss. | ||
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On April 07 2013 01:24 Oatsmaster wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 06 2013 23:57 DarthPunk wrote: I don't like oates this game. Apart from the trolling/shit posts in his filter most of his contributions come from an extremely wishy-washy IAMP read. Part 1: The Iamp mess. Here is the beginning of his entirely odd read of IAMP. He is scummy trait one and two but probably town. 1.summery of filter 2. conclusion. Scummy? no. Here he is scum potentially No thats a joke. Understand it? clearly not. Then he asks IAMP his previous town then scum read to convince him he is town. He was never my scumread. I asked Iamp to convince me that ACE WAS SCUM? CANT YOU READ FOOL? Another dig at Iamperfection who he has most recently called scum and whom Oats is waiting to be convinced on. And here is the gold. 'What the hell palmar' screams oates in all caps. Why are you voting for obviously town IAMP despite my previous read being scum rather than town. and then back to attacking IAMP and his arguments despite typing in all caps that Iamp was townie to plamar. Asking for consistency in reads is bad? never knew dude. Part 2: The non push on sciberbia. Oats has made one case all game. It was made after he was asked to look into this person and it consists of this. This is the worst case in the world for day three or day two or any day that is not day one. He is voting him based on sciberbia speculating setup at the beginning of the game That would be fine if that was a start of game discussion vote or whatever but it is not. And this one 'cases' has been clung to for the rest of the day by oats. although his vote has been parked there since that time he has not pushed his lynch or provided anything at all to add to this shitty start of game 'case' In fact. He doersn;t even MENTION sciberbia again until Iamp asks him. Yeah whats the point? He hasnt posted anymore, Im supposed to be like rayn? He is hanging on to his shitty day one case and not providing anything to back it up. When marv correctly asks WHY? we want to lynch sciberbia. He copy pastes the same shitty day one case. Marv asked me to ask Tunkeg questions instead of shouting at him. This is why I said you ignored a lot of my filter. Also again, sci hasnt posted since I made that case. You also still dont say why its shitty. Just go, SETUP SPECULATION ITS FINE He has yet to give any compelling reasons or arguments for town to lynch sciberbia and has relied on a day one case based on a pressure vote as his case to sit on all game. DESPITE being somewhat active he has done little to push his lynch unless prompted. Any other mention of sciberbia is a throwaway line and he DOES NOT PUSH AT ALL OR FURTHER HIS NUMBER ONE SCUM READ AND VOTE OF THE ENTIRE GAME. Um no dude? Oats is scum. Discuss.  | ||
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On April 07 2013 01:15 DarthPunk wrote: You haven't even provided anything in terms of a meta analysis for me to provide you with a counter example of how it is wrong. You said my 'jovial posts are different' You have played one game with me in which I replaced in and it was a themed game. I do not have to explain why this is different. It is . If you do not understand why that is you are an idiot and shouldn't use meta. You have not played with me enough to read me with meta. Even if you had played with me enough nobody correctly reads me with meta aside from keir, who has recently misread me with meta also. Now you are asking me to provide arguments against a meta analysis WHICH DOES NOT EXIST. I am done talking to you for this game unless you are somehow ever confirmed town at all (doubtful) Night all! I said that your jovial style of posting is SIMILAR to personality rather than THE GAME. like these posts PERSONALITY On March 15 2013 02:20 DarthPunk wrote: + Show Spoiler + On March 15 2013 02:15 Vivax wrote: Marv is like a huge fat cancer on your dick, you really love your dick and wish the best to him, and you are happy that it looks so big now, and the cancer grows and grows but you don't realize that one night you will die to it. It will kill you. You thought that it was fine that your dick kept growing, and the cancer didn't even look ugly so you leave it where it is. And there are doctors who tell you : "You have to cut that cancer off" and the cancer tells you : "If you kill me you will lose your dick let's kill those people who want you to lose your dick, let's kill the best doctor around cause he will push people to cut your dick" And all the while you don't realize that you and your dick will survive if you remove the cancer, but the cancer is too strong and looks like it's helping your dick, so you keep the cancer around even though it doesn't stop growing when you tell it to. All of this ending in the best dick surgeon of the country dying to an angry mob who wants to keep their dick. + Show Spoiler + Also he refuses to look into Acrofales after saying he found him odd without pointing exactly out what and ignoring my request to expand. So he has no interest into looking into Acrofales actually, they're probably scum together and marv set himself up for later. Best. Thing. EVAR. lololol Generally he doesnt crack jokes in personality THE On March 17 2013 22:43 DarthPunk wrote: LOL I know for a fact that you are wrong quite often. <3 On March 17 2013 23:15 DarthPunk wrote: Righty-O off to bed. I had friends over today which is why I was useless. I'll be on in the morning to tear it up. On March 19 2013 09:34 DarthPunk wrote: Unfortunately for SAST Viscera Eyes is scum. ##Burn SAST with Fire So more jokey and stuff. Here. Ego Mini On April 05 2013 11:39 DarthPunk wrote: LOL. Such a spammy game already. I am here but I don't have any reads yet. Carry on. This is like IT. Also he said he was ignoring my posts in personality and in here. Although for slightly different reasons. I think its still weird though I dont see how its a very complicated meta read. | ||
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On April 07 2013 01:37 Tunkeg wrote: So I will leave for the evening now. I will leave you with this. Lynch WoS. Why? - His entry into thread is just total bullshit. He claims town, he tries to engage in a meaningless discussion with sci about optimal townplay, and last and most important he votes for Ace in a horrible way. Two first parts of his post looks to me like he is just trying to be active, last part looks like he is trying to join a bandwagon with absolute crap reason. + Show Spoiler + On April 05 2013 09:21 WaveofShadow wrote: Phew. Real happy I rolled town this time around; I feel really bad for whoever is on my scumteam when I roll mafia for the first time. Scib, is there no limit in this game as to how long a cycle lasts? If so I could see extending the day being a benefit to town but it really depends on the activity level in general. And Palmar one entry-post example does not a meta-case make. I'll go with marv on this one: I hear scum Ace is terrifying and last game he was town we wasted a lot of time on him and mislynched him in the end anyway. ##Vote: Ace - He is softpushing a target that have mention him as one of his scumreads. He does this by trying to make other take stances on him, perhaps to make them be the wagonpushers? By the end it looks like rayn is his main target but he refuses to push for him, he sticks with Ace. Very strange to me. + Show Spoiler + On April 05 2013 10:42 WaveofShadow wrote: Hey Axle, if you're still around, what do you make of rayn flitting about the thread thus far? I liken him unto a chicken without a head, spraying blood and entrails wherever his dying nervous system directs him. Personally I am loathe to pay him any more mind than this but it would be nice to get a fresh opinion on the matter before partaking of other more worldly pursuits. On April 05 2013 12:14 WaveofShadow wrote: Rayn's filter is now 3 pages long and it is 3 hours into the game. This is inexcusable in my opinion, as is his constant inane shitposting. From this point forward unless he changes his methodology I will hereby be ignoring any and all 'contributions' he has made. I'm not sure what other people's opinions are regarding him but I really don't feel like entertaining this kind of baseless annoying bullshit, so discuss with him and give him a forum if you must but I will take no part in it. DP, welcome to the thread. You've mentioned you have no reads thus far; I can appreciate that. Anything to add at all regarding Ace? On April 06 2013 01:42 WaveofShadow wrote: Thanks Oats. And while I have mentioned I don't want to entertain rayn in any way, my desire to assist the town by forming coherent reads on me trumps my dislike for him. Plus it's technically answering a question from marv anyway. The first half of Rayn's ridiculous filter where he talks about how scummy I am is literally him saying "LOOK AT HOW SCUMMY HE IS DID YOU JUST READ HIS POST HERP DERP" without even offering any explanation of his own. I don't know in what world people seem to think spamming of that sort is actually useful or town-aligned in any way, but whatever. Like, he switches from scib to me to iamp and back to me to Axle AND THEN BACK TO ME in the span of 3 hours and offers no proper explanation for ANY of those switches. Clearly he doesn't expect us to take him seriously, but that in itself isn't exactly town-aligned---as town you want your votes and reasoning to be heard and recognized as scumhunting, not seen as useless spam. The second half of his filter is him picking a line or two from my posts and saying "THIS IS SCUMMY, HEY EGO MM PLAYER #XX, WHAT DO YOU THINK?" Useless, shitposting, means nothing once again. With that rationale anyone can take any line from anyone's filter, point it out and ask someone better than them what they think and call that scumhunting. This is the best thing Rayn has posted to date: His reasoning where he compares himself to me at the end is laughable since as I pointed out earlier his earlier scumreads are based on literally NOTHING. This is the only 'case' of any real substance he has posted thus far so having the balls to call someone scum means absolutely nothing to me coming from him. As far as his reasoning to why I'm scummy for voting Ace? I stand by it. I have been told that Ace is one of those players who you're apparently supposed to just kill if he's still alive at some point. Ok, maybe this doesn't mean we kill him D1 but it does mean that if he is scum, as a fairly new player who has barely played with Ace I should be afraid of him. As far as Rayn suggesting that I'm saying we kill every strong player because if they're scum they are scary, I don't say that anywhere, but it does seem to be the rationale on which some later lynches on strong players are based. Maybe Rayn should look up the people he's playing with a little. As far as sheeping Marv goes, good for you, Rayn, you pointed out what I already pointed out. Want a cookie? Basing a scumread he has pushed so crazily on 3 posts 3 hours into D1 is not a strong scumread by any means and it just shows Rayn's ability to critically think essentially amounts to him reading some sort of 'Scum for Dummies' guide, pointing out some seemingly obvious tells and frantically screaming at everyone else to look at his seemingly obvious tells he pointed out. I'm not going to go so far as OMGUS on Rayn because I as well find it really difficult to believe scum would play this awfully, but I guess we'll see if a more coherent Rayn enters the thread. I am not concerned by his 'scumread' of me in the slightest, but I am more concerned by others,' however. Marv why is it you said you wanted to kill me based on Rayn's posts? - He proceeds to skip his entire attempted wagon on rayn and goes straight for prplhz. Again he attempts to get a wagon rolling, but ends up not voting for him after no one jumps on the wagon. + Show Spoiler + On April 06 2013 02:51 WaveofShadow wrote: Since no mention has been given to him so far, I have a scumread on prplhz. His filter is entirely opportunistic one-liners where he offers nothing concrete in terms of scumreads, he literally poses a random question then disappears for a while. This does not constitute scumhunting to me. On April 06 2013 02:55 WaveofShadow wrote: I've never played with prplhz before so I didn't know that. So in these other games he plays, does he ever do anything useful or is this how he decides to play the game and people just leave him alone? On April 06 2013 08:23 WaveofShadow wrote: Are you worried or something? Iamp's wasn't a random joke vote either. If you're going to start saying something then come out and say it; what about me being the only person on your 'wagon' concerns you, and what about Oats' posting concerns you specifically? And Marv as to me drawing any conclusions, I don't have any right now but I find it suspect that two people both manage to look wrongly into my posting in the exact same way. It's not even like my filter was particularly hard to read or anything; I had 3 POSTS at the time. I didn't change my vote or mention lynching at all in regards to Rayn, he just took it and went: "HE WANTS TO KILL ME HE MUST BE SCUM!!!!" One more thing regarding prplhz that I wanted to mention in case anyone finds it interesting: of all of his one liners manage to be soft defenses (except for maybe the last posts regarding Axle). Soft defense of Axle. Soft defense of Ace. Soft defense of me. Soft defenses rub me the wrong way. I'm assuming by the vote and what can now barely be constituted as pressure that Axle is prplhz's primary scumread but I'd really like to know why. -His cop out retreat from voting Ace. Claiming his vote was half assed, and only there to produce pressure. But why on earth would he keep his vote on him for that long, and defending his stance on it, after all the pressure votes and joke votes had gone?? His excuse to why he voted Ace in the first place rubs me in the wrong way. + Show Spoiler + On April 06 2013 10:01 WaveofShadow wrote: I didn't miss your last post. If that's Rayn's summary of my post it's terrible because I specifically state that I don't want to pay him any mind, I just wanted to hear Axle's opinion of him, which I (sort of) got. How that = lynch I have no idea but you seem to think is somewhat justified. Whatever. As for Ace, fine, you caught me I suppose. Not the most serious vote around but I must say considering all the reverence people seem to show him it does scare me that we haven't seen anything useful from him yet and people are willing to let him go under the pretense of 'joke pressure.' I guess though it may not make sense to consider policy lynching him as I've heard suggested before if I haven't seen him at work myself. A half-serious vote you can call it I guess, but since iamp/marv left I can't hope to generate any more discussion or anything from Ace himself, it seems. ##Unvote: Ace I could vote prplhz, but how can I be sure that isn't just his 'typical play' as Oats previously told me? - In the end he proceed to post more nothingness, and even some snide remarks about rayn. He have since been MIA, and haven't even come back to defend himself, even though by now USA should be waking up. This is the guy to lynch today. I give you the Tunkeg guarantee that he is scum. Are you still town on Scib? If so, why? | ||
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On April 07 2013 01:42 AxleGreaser wrote: yeah some... How many would you like... Its 2:22 here so here is brain dump... stop reading if you get bored. "extremely active?" it was 3 pages in 48 hrs http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=404818&user=290296&user=290296 This is less yes. In noir i had 3 days before the game to read everyones meta... so I walked in pre armed. In noir, the actual game dynamic left a bunch of other players on one wagon and not saying lot. In this game, Marv and Palmar and Ace are playing in the other game they were not. That changes the dynamics, aka the context of the game. For instance I would question why prplhz has vote parked on me and no other active interest... but apparently AFAIK that is not relevant today. In the last game there was no one that could say that that I would have listened to. I now have a better understanding of the random bullshit phase. I was interested, in seeing which people felt guilty enough, that as the thread wound down they needed to go on justifying themselves. This one I signed up went to be woke up and the game had already started... The lack of 48hr D1 deadline means I didn't see the need to hurry. During the 24hr period when I didn't post, http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18206825 I was specifically interested in watching Scrib WoS and Rayn if nothing else, if they were the candidates (I know you say you like Rayn I am not sure why) I thought it would be easiest for the towny ones to float to the top, if there were not a bunch of people prodding at them. I feel I have less to prove now in terms of actual competence. I was specifically trying to acquire a meta for being able analyse and observe stuff. Finally house guest. Who do you want to lynch? Reasons please. | ||
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Like his filter is newb town/scummy. Im leaning newb town though. Seems similar to other games. 1st time scum players dont have metas similar to their town meta(at least for me) Also Sciberia is pushing him Vote for Oatsmaster means LYNCHING SCIBERIA. I trust I have your full cooperation. | ||
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On April 07 2013 02:16 marvellosity wrote: And sciberbia is calling him town. Can you read at all? nope I cant apparently. Playing dota and mafia not conducive apparently | ||
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On April 07 2013 02:15 marvellosity wrote: His filter in this game isn't similar to his other games at all. YOU CAN SHOW ME THE WORLD (or in this case, difference in meta ) | ||
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On April 07 2013 02:18 marvellosity wrote: Kindly do one at a time instead of just talking bullshit. Thank you for YOUR continued cooperation. I thought you liked it :/ </3 | ||
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On April 07 2013 02:20 marvellosity wrote: In LX and especially The Game, he was active, involved, and in the thick of things. He made conversation about all kinds of things, volunteering information and his thought process left, right, and centre. This game he's bitched at rayn repeatedly without ever calling him mafia, he called prplhz mafia, totally recanted it, and then put suspicion on him anyway, and... and... uh, yeah, that's it. I don't understand what similarities you think you're drawing. This has put him from null into marv says he is scum(reasons) All aboard the marv train Mine is kept in a siding till its ready TO GO !! ##Unvote ##Vote: WoS | ||
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On April 07 2013 03:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: EBWOP: hats = hosts, fuck this internet connection All hosts claim that they only rng. | ||
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On April 07 2013 03:54 WaveofShadow wrote: I've already explained why I think he's scummy. Then you told me he does this every game so I had to sit back and consider if this is just another case of 'herp derp newbie trying to come in and understand veteran play.' THEN I get called out for withdrawing a little by Marv only because I took your statement into consideration: Here's another reason for you though; consider how lurky prplhz has been throughout this entire game. He comes back now just to throw in his vote in a convenient position on a wagon that looks like it's headed all the way to lynch town. Doesn't have to worry about starting said wagon, doesn't have to worry about being the hammer vote, and can disappear back into the shadows. Once again no one throws suspicion on this because "it's just the way he plays?" I'm sorry I'm taking a stand against that attitude. FUCK THAT ATTITUDE. If you look scummy to me IN THIS GAME, then you look fucking scummy. I don't give two shits how long you've been playing mafia on TL and how many people know you, and what you usually do. Prplhz is scum, and that's what I have to say on the matter. So you dont think meta is very important? | ||
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On April 07 2013 05:11 Ace wrote: I've been busy WoS. I actually don't think you should be lynched at the moment, as I think Oats is a far bigger distraction. Marv is just talking nonsense as always. WoS since you're at L-2 right now don't hesitate to claim when the next person votes.I'm not gonna hammer you unless that situation resolves itself. For now tho: ##vote: Oatsmaster Oh? Interesting. | ||
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Why are you not pushing a lynch? Why did you lay a vote on me and MOVE ALONG? Why is there no reasoning behind any of your reads? | ||
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##Unvote Hey guys, about Sciberia and DP. They clearly DONT CARE what I have to say in response to them. I responded to DP's case. IGNORED. I posted more stuff about Sciberia. IGNORED. Again about Sciberia lets hammer this scum. On April 07 2013 08:44 sciberbia wrote: goddammit. Just had a nice post typed out and my computer crashed. I will summarize I still don't think WoS is scum. His death posts felt fine and a few recent lines in his filter just feel genuine to me: + Show Spoiler + On April 06 2013 10:01 WaveofShadow wrote: I could vote prplhz, but how can I be sure that isn't just his 'typical play' as Oats previously told me? On April 06 2013 10:05 WaveofShadow wrote: I still have a lot of trouble with the idea that there are people we can just 'let do their thing' and if anyone actually suspects them before that point it's scummy. I can't see myself ever getting used to that idea. On April 07 2013 03:27 WaveofShadow wrote: Personally all the business with Oats/DP/iamp/whoever just seems to me like townies going at townies. DP seems very town to me sepcifically. In this game I think scum are much more likely to be in the lurky category. Prplhz and Ace/Axle? Tunkeg's case didnt' do much for me. Some of his points weren't scumtells (paragraph 1) and others were misrepresenting what happened in the thread (paragraphs 2,3,4). My only gripe with WoS is his generally low activity before he had like 6 votes but overall I'm still thinking town and I wouldn't be happy lynching him today. prplh'z vote on WoS reminded me of his unabashed pile-on onto Forumite D1 in Dwarf Mini. He still has hardly done anything and I'd be alright with lynching him today. But seeing as we have no time limit, I'd still like to hear more from him before hanging him. @marv I was confused by your refusal to lynch prplhz today, because the only two games I've read with you and prplhz on D1 (Dwarf Mini and that game you were mayor), prplhz played similarly to this game, you voted him, and he was scum. What's different about this game that makes him a bad lynch? Palmar, not getting lynched today is one of my top priorities, so I'd be interested in having some discussion with you and hopefully help you see the light. What do you want me to address? Also I think I owe Axle an answer to something. Going back through his filter now. Wtf what is this post that PUSHES NOTHING. Its REACTIVE not proactive. Scum are reactive. Town are proactive. He talks about WoS in LENGTH and defends him for no bloody reason when it was clear that he was not very close to being lynched. ##Vote Sci Wagon on marv is stupid. Why is he scum? ALL THE PEOPLE THAT VOTED FOR HIM? Im assuming Palmar's is a pressure vote but the rest, Im not so sure. | ||
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On April 07 2013 15:10 sciberbia wrote: marv has seen me play a lot, and I don't think my play this game has been that different from other games where I've been town. Marv should know that I like posting fluffy setup stuff as town, and overall I think he should be able to read me as town, or at the very least not have a scumread. But I suppose it's possible we both just overestimate each other and that he is impatient and doesn't think like me. Even before the wagon on me, I was leaning scum on marv based on some things earlier in the game. I think there's a decent chance he's scum.What? Is this like the 'You should BE ABLE TO SEE THAT I AM TOWN', scumtell thing? Cause thats is absolute bullshit and inaccurate. Do you have ANY REASONS why marv is scum? or are you just bullshitting? The one above ISNT. | ||
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On April 07 2013 15:25 sciberbia wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 07 2013 15:05 Oatsmaster wrote: sleeping is good ##Unvote Hey guys, about Sciberia and DP. They clearly DONT CARE what I have to say in response to them. I responded to DP's case. IGNORED. I posted more stuff about Sciberia. IGNORED. Again about Sciberia lets hammer this scum. Wtf what is this post that PUSHES NOTHING. Its REACTIVE not proactive. Scum are reactive. Town are proactive. He talks about WoS in LENGTH and defends him for no bloody reason when it was clear that he was not very close to being lynched. ##Vote Sci Wagon on marv is stupid. Why is he scum? ALL THE PEOPLE THAT VOTED FOR HIM? Im assuming Palmar's is a pressure vote but the rest, Im not so sure. @Oats I didn't see anything that I thought was worth responding to. You added to your case on me with some points which I thought were clearly not very good. + Show Spoiler + On April 06 2013 23:56 Oatsmaster wrote: Time to hammer Scib INTO THE GROUND. or rope in this case. This 'analysis' is mostly summary and I dont see ANYTHING of the sciberia that was nk'ed early in THE GAME. Especially this, it feels like the 'criteria' that iGrok had in MTG2 where you fit posts into slots. (iGrok was scum btw) He also didnt bother to check his meta read against any other games that I played. He has had a low impact in the thread so far and again, doesnt feel like the town sciberia im used to seeing. And I do remember expanding on my thoughts on WoS because you and marv had an issue with them. I disagree that WoS was not close to being lynched. Marv and Palmar agreed that he was scummy. IMO that put him in DANGER territory. Also, there was some talk about a scib/WoS connection, so I thought it would be good to make it clear where I stood on WoS and why my previous posts were so 'nice' about him. I had not zero not one but two townie motivations for sharing that townread. Yes I was catching up with the thread. Hence I was reacting to the things in the thread that I was reading. I don't know why this is a problem. I'm "reacting" to your most recent post right now. It doesn't make me scum. Oats, all bravado aside, on a scale from 0% to 100% how confident are you that I am scum? Marv and Palmar unvoted WoS BEFORE you made that post IIRC Explaining townreads in full detail IMO isnt a townie move. How confident are you that WoS is town? Oats, all bravado aside, on a scale from 0% to 100% how confident are you that I am scum? close to 100%. You arent scumhunting. You dont want to find out who is scum. You avoided pissing anyone off(joke k DP) | ||
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On April 07 2013 15:40 sciberbia wrote: Also the "YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO SEE THAT OATS IS TOWN" scumtell is pretty much the exact scumtell marv was using on me. Do you think that was bullshit as well? Yes yes I think that is bullshit as well. However Marv is sleeping and you arent. Right ok so the main reason you think that marv is scum is because he thinks you are scum because you shouldve read me as town. RIGHT. And Palmar did that to marv as well. So is Palmar scum too? Or is it just marv? 1 reason alone does not make someone scum. DP response to my response on your case please. You are IGNORING whatever I said. good job I say, GOOD JOB. | ||
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On April 07 2013 16:36 DarthPunk wrote: Oats I told you I was done with you. I am not getting into a flame war with you, though it seems that is what you are trying with everyone. k cool . Thats an easy way to back down from anything ever. Any reads? I assume you changed your mind about me but you dont want to 180 in thread. | ||
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1 town tell I have on him is that he defends me to the hilt. Then again I told him that last game so maybe he took it into account. HOWEVER, I think that he looks really involved with the game and he cares about who he wants to lynch WoS in particular. Thoughts everybody? | ||
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)In themed. He was scum, and let BH lynch me. Every other game, he has rolled town and defended me. I think that Marv respects and therefore sheeps palmar. Do you sheep dudes? Why not marv? Well if Marv was scum and WoS is town(current thinking cause I agree with Palmar's facts that it was a townie response to dude under pressure). Why did he unvote WoS? Why not just hammer the dude? | ||
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That is interesting. What do you think of Tunkeg after his 'hammer' on WoS? Tunkeg, do you think its more likely that you are right, or that Marv/Palmar/Ace is wrong? | ||
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On April 07 2013 17:37 Tunkeg wrote: What kind of silly question is this?? Of course I think it is more likely that I am right. If not I wouldn't be keeping my vote on WoS right? I know why I want to lynch WoS, I don't know why they don't (What is their agenda? Aren't they seeing what I am? Is there something they see that I don't, etc etc). I cannot play this game and follow others judgement over my own. The word is sheep. Like how in the world are you seeing that WoS is scum after that? Its his first scum game if so, and I dont think he is that good. How good were you in your first scum game? | ||
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Glad to see you join us. Who is scum then? Ace? | ||
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On April 07 2013 18:39 Palmar wrote: I don't know. Maybe you? Palmar confused. Hmm. Seems like town Palmar from what Ive seen. You do this thing where you reevaluate shit after 24 hours or whatever right? Is this the Red Team Palmar, or the useful Palmar? | ||
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On April 07 2013 18:51 Palmar wrote: red team palmar was pretty useful, I'd say? haha no. | ||
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Where? Im confused/curious too. (yeah im slow/not going in a straight line blablabla yeah im blue hunting blablabla) | ||
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Right. Why do people make such bad jokes that dont make sense? WHY? | ||
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So he thought that Ace was asking for his alignment? Wait WHAT? | ||
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I was saying that WoS's response to Ace was a joke. | ||
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Also Im up for lynching Sci DP Ace (everyone who attacked me basically, looks like my hypothesis was wrong huh marv) | ||
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Mostly I can find townreads. Yeah, this game I have like 2 strong ones. And a lotta nulls. | ||
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On April 07 2013 20:59 DarthPunk wrote: LoL so you don't look scummy as scum is your argument essentially? Wow that makes me feel heaps better dude. LOL. Do you read ANY OF MARVS SCUM GAMES? He survived to endgame in hero He had to get vigged in Themed for him to die, just before endgame. | ||
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On April 07 2013 21:03 DarthPunk wrote: I am not going to engage with you buddy. I am trying not to get into Flame wars this game. Then what do you want to do if you dont feel like talking to anyone? | ||
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On April 07 2013 22:00 marvellosity wrote: Pretty likely to be town Thoughts about his reads? He said I am his only scumspect. | ||
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On April 07 2013 22:02 marvellosity wrote: That's not what he said at all. then what did he say? Hmm? I thought he backed off out of everything and now is gonna be like Red Team. Which is slightly disappointing | ||
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On April 07 2013 22:24 marvellosity wrote: Besides, Oats, i think Palmar will come in to the thread and work with it today. That's my hunch anyways. Maybe. Maybe not. I hope so. My back is perfectly fine, i dont have a hunch though. | ||
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##Unvote ##Vote: Ace (totally trying to get ANYONE lynched DP. and totally sheeping. DEAL WITH IT) Reasoning coming up shortly, STAY TUNED FOLKS. | ||
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On April 08 2013 00:32 AxleGreaser wrote: ##Vote WaveOfShadow Wave I have asked you questions here, about what happened when you got to L-1 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18221663 Please have look at them. Why is WoS scummier now, rather than yesterday? Something mustve made you vote him right? What is IT? | ||
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On April 08 2013 00:43 Palmar wrote: Oats what do you make of DPs and Marv's argument. One scum? No scum? marv totes town. DP im not sure, I like this engagement with marv(totally sheeping marv, not.), but I dont like the rest of his play. Although I could imagine a scum player doing this thing with marv. (WISHYWASHY) Let me read it again and get back to you. | ||
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Issues with DP DP says that he is gonna disregard meta in dealing with marv's alignment Then he posts this post. + Show Spoiler + On April 07 2013 23:20 DarthPunk wrote: For the rest of the thread regarding marvellosity. OK so usually by this stage of the game marv has made his townieness abundantly clear to me. He has usually made some cases that I have empathised with and that have appealed to me. I usually like sheeping marv. This game he has sheeped a piece of shit case on sciberbia without really contributing anything and when questioned on why directed people to the fat load of nothing in his filter. Also he has been more arrogant than usual and quicker to call me bad/dumb even than in past games with him especially when I am doing what I consider useful things for town. All this means I don't have the comfortable town read on marv that I usually posess. I don't think his reasoning behind making poor/unexplained votes cuts it as an excuse. And I don't feel like that is an unreasonable position. What I will say is I do like the way he has interacted with me during the past page and his genuine need to convince me rather than flame me into the ground is somewhat of a comfort albeit a small one. For the moment I feel marv is scummy. But I have been convinced marv is scum before (when marv was playing badly) and he was not. I feel like he could just be playing badly again. I am not infallible and I am not unrealistic. I don't think the correct play is to lynch a questionable marv day one. He has an 8 page filter and is potentially to valuable to mislynch (as is sciberbia IMO) Therefore while I encourage everyone to this game continue to eye marv with blazing scepticism I don't feel it is the correct play to lynch him today. I would additionally like some third party observations of the interplay between marv and myself so that I can potentially gain some new perspective (not from the sheep marv brigade though thnks) Alright. Please don't hammer anyone. ##unvote Night all! yeah so taking out a few quotes OK so usually by this stage of the game marv has made his townieness abundantly clear to me. He has usually made some cases that I have empathised with and that have appealed to me. I usually like sheeping marv. This game he has sheeped a piece of shit case on sciberbia without really contributing anything and when questioned on why directed people to the fat load of nothing in his filter. DP hasnt played with marv in Marv's last few games. He doesnt take that into account here. I dont like it. Also he is using meta here. He said he wasnt going to use it earlier. Right. Also he has been more arrogant than usual and quicker to call me bad/dumb even than in past games with him especially when I am doing what I consider useful things for town. Meta again, and some really subjective things here that could depend on the attitude of Marv/DP and not his alignment. What is 'More arrogant that usual?' 'Quicker to call me bad/dumb' Just about the most subjective things ever. Its ok though. GET OUT OF JAIL FREE CARD RIGHT HERE For the moment I feel marv is scummy. But I have been convinced marv is scum before (when marv was playing badly) and he was not. I feel like he could just be playing badly again. I am not infallible and I am not unrealistic. I don't think the correct play is to lynch a questionable marv day one. He has an 8 page filter and is potentially to valuable to mislynch (as is sciberbia IMO) Yeah. I liked that he was willing to talk it out, now I dont like the content of his 'talking it out' | ||
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Like you didnt tell me why palmar in Red Team. | ||
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On April 08 2013 00:56 AxleGreaser wrote: based on previous posting I am hoping he can be in the thread soon. The questions are a ways back in the thread now. I have arranged my sleep to allow me some overlap. I do want to be sure he sees the questions and realises they are current. This post ensures he knows I will be around. This doesnt answer the question. Why did you not vote him before you went off(to sleep I imagine) Why did you vote for him now? | ||
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On April 08 2013 01:00 marvellosity wrote: his willingness to actively engage with people Did he do this in the scum game he played recently? YANM? | ||
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2) despite his good posts, there's a certain level of disconnection, or a lack of investment and emotional involvement, with town Yes I think prome told me this postgame. What do you mean by disconnection? Like what characterizes it rather than connection? It seems to me somewhat subjective and nebulous | ||
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On April 08 2013 01:33 WaveofShadow wrote: You don't seem to believe my first post is a claim. 'claiming town' is hardly a claim. Marv: right, so its a gut thing. hmm. | ||
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What I got from the Ace thing, was that he was asking you to claim your role rather than alignment when you got to L-1. Thats what I think when someone asks me to claim. So it confused me earlier. | ||
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On April 08 2013 01:38 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm curious as to what makes a town claim scummy exactly. Its not alignment indicative. | ||
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Why does Ace attacking Marv mean that Ace isnt scum? You know that Ace is gosu scum player right? Especially since you have a townread on marv. | ||
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On April 08 2013 02:41 Ace wrote: I've got you in Priority 1 right now. I don't know if you're just lazy or still fucking around like this isn't the time to get serious but a "lynch reyn" post is amongst a few others where you just show up and don't even comment on the current situation and say something useless. The only reason you won't get lynched, as you and I both know very well, is that these players hesitate to lynch "vets" and quickly throw town their town reads out leading to stagnation. Ace, why is your play serious? | ||
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[spoiler] On April 05 2013 10:45 Ace wrote: not even around and my name is being mentioned. Im in all your heads living rent free. On April 06 2013 12:32 Ace wrote: is Rayne always this impulsive? On April 07 2013 05:11 Ace wrote: I've been busy WoS. I actually don't think you should be lynched at the moment, as I think Oats is a far bigger distraction. Marv is just talking nonsense as always. WoS since you're at L-2 right now don't hesitate to claim when the next person votes.I'm not gonna hammer you unless that situation resolves itself. For now tho: ##vote: Oatsmaster lazy vote here. Ill call that being Palmar-like [spoiler] Less than Palmar sure, but not the beacon of seriousness you seem to think you are.. | ||
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Asking you about your past Why did you post this, On April 06 2013 04:49 prplhz wrote: can anybody tell me why axlegreaser is town sleep or something then On April 07 2013 02:27 prplhz wrote: ##Vote WaveofShadow busy might post more later. palmar and marv both on this one so it's probably good. skimmed tunkeg's case and it looked alright though i didn't really get all of it. and never talk about Axle again? also On April 07 2013 11:39 prplhz wrote: internally debating whether i should answer that i don't really have any scum reads or just ignore the question. and at the same time it looks like you also know that WoS is lying here but that doesn't move you to vote him. i still don't see why WoS lying about that would make him scum and like i already pointed out, i don't think he was lying. meh You have no scumreads but your vote is on WoS? Am I misunderstanding something? Also the claim was just from a weird perspective by WoS, drop it please. Also any reads? Other than WoS who I assume is still your scumread. Also this(your filter) looks very different from Nomination and Red Team. | ||
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On April 08 2013 03:59 prplhz wrote: no one took notice of my initial post on axle and some people actually had town reads on axle so i asked what was up. later, i didn't have a lot of time so i skimmed the biggest case and decided it was alright. keyword is "really", i'm not very confident in anything. yes my vote is on WoS he could be scum. it still is because i didn't even consider removing it, he's not in immediate danger and he could be scum. can't really comment on the meta thing, guess that's your opinion or whatever. i'm pretty sure i was under a lot of heavy fire d1 in red team for being a lurker too so i can't really relate to what you're saying about how this isn't looking like red team. other people are obviously seeing the same thing in both filters. Well you say all this, but you dont look interested in finding scum, you are fine with sitting back and doing jackshit, arguing with Ace about nothing. You have no reads and you DONT CARE ABOUT THAT. Read on Ace? (180 from earlier dooods) | ||
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On April 08 2013 05:01 WaveofShadow wrote: Also it's spelled ![[image loading]](http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/252/2917592.jpg) No its not. Also im tempted to unvote so I can actually be the hammer. hehehe | ||
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Ace will get lynched. I trust marv. <3 | ||
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That was a really weird switch.. Feels like the Hapa GF one which was hilarious Although lotta(2) confirmed townies and 1 dead scum. So good switch. I dont see how this exonerates Ace(sheepy). DP, against many many objections you feel like pushing your read on me, That actually makes me feel better about you. But damn dude LISTEN.!! see yall soon | ||
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On April 08 2013 14:36 DarthPunk wrote: Who exactly do you think are confirmed townies after this? There are several people who are very likely to be town after this, but noone is confirmed town. Also if you think I am still even remotely likely to be mafia you are an idiot. So I don't really care what you feel about me. Whoever marv said is confirmed townies are confirmed townies. Namely the dude who started the switch on to Axle and another dude I cant be arsed to look at cause im lazy. By confirmed I mean that we dont lynch them until there is no one else. Is it that hard to understand my usage? Sheep marv DP. So my attitude towards you doesnt affect your read on me DP. Sounds like an interesting way to do things. | ||
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On April 08 2013 20:45 DarthPunk wrote: So. I am confirmed town as the guy who started the switch onto axle? along with sciberbia correct? except that is not what marv said at all. I suggest if you are going to sheep something you at least try to read what it is exactly. I am not going to sheep marv. Not sheeping marv caused me to push a wagon on a scum, whose posts marv liked, day one. I feel pretty good about not sheeping marv actually. Good point. I had like 20 minutes, a ton of pages. I should think before I post. Now with your confirmed town status, who do you want to push? | ||
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Then we just sit on our asses and twiddle our thumbs while waiting for dawn? How is discussing scumreads BAD at night? | ||
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Marv I thought you said he was townie before, Was it the nolynch thing that changed your mind? Can you elaborate? I can see a pissed off townie just upped and leaving too, its not just a scum reaction. | ||
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On April 09 2013 00:25 marvellosity wrote: I've been elaborating for the last two or three pages or so, maybe you should read them dear. prplhz :< Saw it as soon as I posted but can't fucking edit. Sad times. l2english So its an association thing basically? Like if Ace flips/Tunkeg flips red, they are SCUMBUDDIES? I just see a whole lotta repeating, "He said he didnt want a nolynch but he didnt care about who he lynched" | ||
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On April 09 2013 00:34 iamperfection wrote: Why is this becoming so prevalent now a days. We should simply kill you for this statement alone. If your town shame on you and if your scum thanks. you're, you're Tunkeg. Why do you think that nolynch is better than random lynching a dude? No lynch 0% chance of hitting scum. Random lynch 3/13 chance of hitting scum. wtf dude. | ||
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On April 09 2013 00:41 Tunkeg wrote: A random lynch have a higher chance of hitting town... I will not just throw my vote on anyone to secure a lynch (if I have somewhat of a scumread, then yeah, but in this case no). I will not vote to please the rest of you, I will vote for my targets. The rest of you can go Baaaaaahahah Baahaahha, all you want. You had 1 target. There are 3 scum. Why didnt you think of finding another target or even READING anything about the other people up for lynch? The whole last half of your filter is all WoS. NOTHING else. | ||
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Palmar please be useful. PLEASE. | ||
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My vote is a ticking time bomb Ace. without contribution. BOOM. | ||
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I should never lynch reads im confident in now :/ | ||
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On April 10 2013 00:09 iamperfection wrote: well in general a post like this has proved difficult for scum palmar to make. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168¤tpage=17#332 It is of course possible he has uped his game but he is not a concern right now. I would only worry about palmar much later in the game if at all. He has been interested and overall has cared about the lynch. He is not that much of a concern. To add on to this, I thought he was scum in Red Team for pushing a lynch then going 'palmary'. According to marv postgame, when Palmar cares about the game and therefore the lynch, he is town. | ||
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On April 10 2013 00:53 Tunkeg wrote: Oh, how should I by able to speak up about it when you lynch him before I get a chance to write in thread? Maybe if you waited people like me could have spoken up about it. I haven't tunneled WoS since day one. And day 2 you guys shortened so much I didn't have time to comment on anything else. You can do snide remarks, but you can't justify a push on me with a case. You should go play Starcraft Mafia or something, there they lynch people at random... Why the fuck are you shouting at Iamp? Its OVER. If you think its scummy, say so. If not. SHUT UP. Reads. NOW. | ||
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On April 10 2013 01:00 iamperfection wrote: also never talk down my play when you fucking martyred yourself you piece of shit. Little too far there. | ||
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On April 10 2013 01:05 Tunkeg wrote: That hammer was so fucking bad iamp, you are probably the worst fucking player to ever have played a game of mafia... Yeah yeah GET OFF HIM. You saw my post. Ignore him. Answer me. | ||
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On April 10 2013 01:08 Tunkeg wrote: Here is an expert read for you - OATS IS SCUM! Satisfied? Now bugger off... what? Where does this come from? You never mentioned me since this post. On April 06 2013 19:25 Tunkeg wrote: I think rayn is looking worse for each post he does. He is back to one liners all the way, and he is being disruptive as fuck. He is jumping around from target to target without any direction, and any reason. I can't see what he is trying to achieve from a townperspective, as a scum his play makes sense though. He is trying to appear active and he is disrupting the thread instead of contributing. I am leaning scum on him, and wouldn't mind lynching him today. Another one I find disruptive as fuck is Oats. But I can't read him for shit, his posts are so strange that the only thing I have managed to read from him is that he want Sci lynched, and that he is superaggressive. The problem though is that I see no direction on his aggression, he is just lashing out at everyone. I am starting leaning scum on him as well, but not as much as rayn. Then you got WaveofShadow. His entire filter is just completely nonsense. His vote on Ace, and the way he backed out of that vote later just seems so strange. The way his post are formated, they are long as fuck, but say so very little. To me it seems very much like he is posting just to appear active. He is the player I find most scummy thus far, and if I were to lynch someone right now, it would be him. ##Vote: WaveofShadow Which is the first and last time you mention other targets rather than WoS. Also im not even your top scumread here. I find it hard to believe that you have no townreads yet ONLY exclusively talk about WoS after this post and before night 2 | ||
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On April 10 2013 03:07 Tunkeg wrote: I like your case on Palmar. So Palmar and Oats it is. You focus on Palmar, and I'll come back with a case on Oats on D3. I thought you werent a sheep? Why didnt you like the Ace case then? Why didnt you like the other cases? | ||
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I dont know if you want me to comment on your Palmar case rayn, or if you would rather wait for Palmar. But yeah that case does not make me think that Palmar is scum, and with Tunkeg sheeping off it, you both scum bro. | ||
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I have no fucking clue what I think is scum. I read Prp's and rayns filter Prp, looks actually helpful recently, and not a FUCKING IDIOT. Rayn too, after he stopped his shennanis is posting good things. WHY MAFIA SO HAR?D??? | ||
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On April 10 2013 21:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: What made you change your mind when nothing besides the flip really happened between these posts? I read your filter? I still think your case is bad, but townie bad, not scummy bad. | ||
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On April 10 2013 01:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: This is how Palmar starts the game: + Show Spoiler + On April 05 2013 08:58 Palmar wrote: I say we lynch you on day one. How would you like that? ##Vote sciberbia Not likely uncharacteristic to him, but then, the follow up is this: - He is more concerned about marv's read on him than pushing his lynch. - The only thing he is trying to figure out anything about anyone is when he asks Oats/iamp about sci. No follow up. _________ Then he comes in with this post: + Show Spoiler + On April 06 2013 00:20 Palmar wrote: honestly: marv: strange things, but seems to be at least trying. I don't think I'll push for his day 1 lynch, but it's annoying that he doesn't just start saying shit that matters and maybe be more useful. I've noted to self/thread twice that he has said things I would not entirely expect of him, but neither makes him definite scum. see here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168¤tpage=6#119 and here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168¤tpage=13#257 Ace: complete and utter null, he's a good lynch but doesn't need to be discussed until we're closing in on the lynch. If we default to a lurker from where we are now it's a toss-up between him and Tunkeg, and I think I'd rather kill Ace. Nothing in Ace's filter says anything about his alignment (good or bad). iamperfection: I really don't know, he seemed genuinely mad that I'm poking him, but his ridiculous zeal in what is essentially a perfectly safe lurker lynch still raises some bells for me. I don't know really. sciberbia: made a generic post and hasn't said anything ever since. I might be willing to lynch this guy based on what has happened in the game so far and if I had to make a decision right now. Tunkeg: lurker, nothing to say. Axlegreaser: I can't read these kind of people, so i'll mostly leave it to others. I'd say leaning town, but honestly I'm terrible at telling what strange posters are up to, I ignore Chez every game I play with him, and while Axle is more coherent than that, I really don't know. prplhz: being his useless self on day 1. He did reach the same conclusion about iamperfection's push on Ace, and he did it before me, I think. DP: NOT READING YOUR POSTS LOL reyn: I don't know this guy well enough yet, so I'll just paint him tentative town right now for calling me bad. he's spamming in a very useless way. But at least he's spamming Oats: NOT READING YOUR SHIT EITHER WoS: his last post here was slightly more townie than everything else he's said. He too is not a bad day 1 lynch I think. I need to hear more from this guy and I know literally nothing about him. His "glad I rolled town" seems sooo fake, but then again, it's so awful that it's hard to think mafia would be stupid enough to do it. Whatever, leaning scum, I guess... This is very uncharacteristic from Palmar. Every read ends with "i don't know" or "whatever, i guess scum". Normally Palmar pushes his early D1 read hard and want's other people's opinions about it. Here he is throwing out a list of "meh" reads. _________ + Show Spoiler + On April 06 2013 19:30 Palmar wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote Sciberbia I think this is the direction I want to go in. After ~20 hours and a couple of useless posts that say nothing he goes back to this. When Tunkeg asked for reasoning, he says this: -"I really don't think it's reasonable to push oats at the moment." Cool, Palmar's opinion about Oats is " Oats: NOT READING YOUR SHIT EITHER". So it's not reasonable to question a player you are not even reading. - "Also sciberbia has a few of those indirect question things I don't really like, I mentioned it in my first post against him, this validation seeking thing." Yeah, Palmar thinks sciberbia is the best lynch at the moment. Funny, because he hasn't interacted with sciberbia even once. He only asked iamp/Oats about him. Yeah, Oats, whose posts he is not even reading... _________ The he votes for WoS, but after that tells marv he thinks sciberbia is a better candidate. _________ Back to sciberbia with "something about his defense of WoS just looks strange to me". _________ Some voteswitching between Ace / sciberbia with nothing new. _________ Here's when the fun starts. Palmar votes for Ace: 1) This is ridiculous reasoning. 2) Multiple strange things that are not conclusively scummy. 3) Says Ace plays like this as town. After this he isn't interested in what Ace says. He just wants people to vote for Ace. After this some people say they think Ace is town and start a lynch on Axle. This is the votecount atm: sciberbia (1): raynpelikoneet WaveofShadow (3): Tunkeg, prplhz, AxleGreaser marvellosity (1): Ace Ace (4): marvellosity, WaveofShadow, Oatsmaster, Palmar AxleGreaser (3): DarthPunk, sciberbia, iamperfection Then marv asks Palmar's opinion on Ace. Palmar does not give opinion about Ace but instead: - Axle looks good, can lynch into the list of some random people. - Next thing he does is he narrows the list to Ace/scib. After this post me & prplhz clearly imply that we are supporting Axle lynch over Ace. prplhz even asks Palmar why does he not want to lynch Axle. Ace is sure going to vote for Axle over himself anyways. Then Palmar just switches his vote on Axle: "I don't care, let's just lynch someone". Then there is this masterpiece: No reasoning why Axle might be scum now. Also note that Palmar has doubleposted 3 minutes before this post. THERE IS NO FUCKING WAY HE READ THE FILTER IN 3 MINUTES! Ffs Axle's post were really hard to read, it took me 3 minutes to read one post of his. TLDR; - There is nothing in Palmar's play that shows that he has given shit about anything in this game. - His strange "i'll give reads about all the people" is really uncharacteristic for him, usually he pushes his strongest scumread and tries to convince other people to lynch that guy. - Why the fuck is he continuosly asking marv/Ace about their read on him? Normally Palmar declares himself as town and that's it. Everyone who disagrees is bad/scum. - "Pushes" Ace lynch with reasoning that points Ace being more likely town than scum (rofl). - Doesn't even try to figure out if Ace is scum/town when he is unsure of him. - Switches to Axle when there is a lot of people who are likely to vote for Axle over Ace. No reasoning, read Axle's filter in 3 minutes and suddenly Axle goes from looking good -> maybe scum. Cool story bro. Lynch Palmar D3. On April 08 2013 22:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't think iamp thinks you look very town. And Palmar seeing you as town has nothing to do with who your scumbuddies are if you are scum. Townies see scum as town quite often. And you are clearly not a bad scumplayers as far as i remember from the games i have followed. I can't understand why everone thinks Palmar is town because i am not just seeing it. Is it because he agreed with you on Ace? Or what, i just don't see it. I don't think Tunkeg flip-flopped about no-lynch. His last comment could be also seen as frustration as his lynch was not going through. And i think he was pushing his lynch, people just didn't listen (many people were suspicious of WoS at that time and WoS was a leading candidate before people started voting for Ace). I don't know what that makes him. What i do not like is that he brought the no-lynch thing up in the first place, didn't so anything after that, and before that all he did was going after WoS. That's just WIFOM. If you are mafia this is just what you were supposed to do if Palmar is town. You just made a good friend who can't possibly think you would do that as mafia because of meta and shit. On April 08 2013 23:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: You say this and then you call people like me mafia when i actually did put effort in killing Axle by voting for him and considering who is more likely to flip red of Ace/Axle. Palmar for example just "couldn't remember why Axle looked town" and just swithced his vote. What makes him look better than me? And what makes you say the bolded part, expecially when there is the red bolded part. You switching your vote would not make you look more town because of your earlier stance on Axle. I can see you not switching your vote as both town or mafia, i don't just understand why this makes you 100% town in peoples mind. You are aiming to figure out dudes alignment like marv and Palmar and shizzle. 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On April 10 2013 23:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: Isn't that a bit contradictory because before the flip you called me and Tunkeg scumbuddies and when "my scumbuddy" flipped you then call me town? How does that make sense? Shouldn't that be more proof of me being scum with him for you? I told you I actually READ your filter now. Before that I didnt. That palmar case was so bad. + it was like 2am or later. | ||
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On April 11 2013 00:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: So you just called me scum without nothing to back off your read in hopes that when we would lynch Tunkeg on D3 you could then call me scum? No I thought you were scum because bad case, especially with Tunkeg wholesale sheeping your case when HE NEVER DID BEFORE. Now that a day has gone, and I thought about it, I realized that my heuristic was bad and read your filter. | ||
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On April 11 2013 00:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: EBWOP: Point out where am i wrong in this: | ||
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On April 11 2013 00:54 prplhz wrote: and you're* damn all the native speakers getting owned. Prp, Iamp claimed the vig shot at the day post. | ||
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On April 11 2013 01:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oats / prpl, still waiting on who do you want to lynch and why. I really dont know at this point of time, can I get back to you tmr? I would find it easier/ ACTUALLY ABLE to find scum after all the US dudes post and shit | ||
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On April 11 2013 01:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: I'm guessing you are referring to iamp/DP/WoS as US guys? Why do you need iamp's/DP's opinion? Or do you want them to tell who they think is mafia and pray it's not you and just agree with them? Why don't you want to figure out yourself who is mafia? The problem is prplhz is doing the same thing. We need to wait for WoS until later i guess. Dude, more posts = more accurate read right? Its 1.02am, I have the ENTIRE day off, so Ima do it then. | ||
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On April 11 2013 03:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay. I want to lynch Oats. Reasoning: To be fair we are lynching into me/Oats/prplhz/WoS today. There is no way any of DP/iamp/Palmar is gonna get lynched and everybody knows it. Oats want's to have the US guys to talk before he decides who is mafia or gets a better read on anyone. How the fuck does it make any difference what DP/iamp say for Oats and his reads? He was not questioning prplhz/me when we were online for many hours at the same time. He said himself he did not know who is the last mafia, but he sure knows it's not iamp/DP. He called my Palmar case bad, so i guess he thinks Palmar is not scum. Why does he not want to question me/prplhz as we are 2/3 of the remaining possibilities? Contrary to this, look at how he behaved in Red mafia and the last night phase before sinani gave up. He was actively asking Hapa/marv (who he thought was scum with sinani) who did they want to lynch. He didn't care about anyone else when everyone was saying marv/Hapa are "confirmed" and me/prpl is another scum. No, instead he calls both me and prplhz town and goes after the guys he believed are scum. Here he is doing nothing, absolutely nothing to figure out if one of me/prplhz is scum. Instead he wants those "confirmed townies" to give their opinion. I think he wants to lean on those opinions which are wrong of them so he would have a backup (someone who thinks "the same"). ##Unvote: WoS ##Vote: Oatsmaster _____________________ But still: WoS: Explain to me what were you trying to accomplish with this question in D1: What were you expecting town!Axle or scum!Axle to answer to this question? Or how asking this would help you form a better read on anyone? Why do you think Oats is town? What makes me/prplhz scummier than him? prplhz: Make a case on the scummiest of your suspects please. Why are you afraid of doing nothing before the "confirmed" people start giving their opinions? Yeah yeah fuck that, I just couldnt be arsed doing anything tonight, I did not make that clear? I couldnt care less what DP/Palmar/Iamp say, but what you say in return to them, Im lazy(so scummy dude) Night bros, see ya tmr. . | ||
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Oatsmaster
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Rayn carried lategame, it was really good. I think what screwed us was 1. WoS not getting hammered. 2. Axle getting lynched 3. Marv dying. So yeah after marv died, it was really really hard. | ||
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Thanks Axle. <3 | ||
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On April 11 2013 16:11 DarthPunk wrote: Looking back on it that axle wagon really raped the scum team. yup. Both of us were sleeping/out. That was probably the tipping point. Marv dying just screwed us over more. Lightning rod should never be ever used again Dandel. It basically takes out the choice in NK day 1 for scum which wouldve been somewhat vital this game. | ||
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On April 11 2013 17:17 DarthPunk wrote: Nah lightning rod was balanced. Anyone who didn't read the OP (surprisingly many players) could have killed it with their vig shot. As a power role it is only mildly useful for town IMO. Its a sucky town role yeah. The problem is that scum dont get to choose their n1 kill. Thats the stupid thing about it. Marv dying was the nail in the coffin. Haha played marv like a FIDDLE. It was going so well up to the WoS n-1 not getting lynched. | ||
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On April 11 2013 19:08 DarthPunk wrote: That is true lol. I couldn't believe people wanted to lynch you. :O Damn. I almost lynched sci too. So many close calls for town | ||
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On April 11 2013 19:56 Dandel Ion wrote: I already said I won't use LR again.  But the game was balanced as fuck, so whateveeeeeeer. You mean Palmar/Ace/Marv/Sci town? yeah. balanced. | ||
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On April 11 2013 20:10 DarthPunk wrote: I think this game proved how little stock to put in ideas like that. Marv was dancing to scums tune and you almost mislynched sciberbia. Look how much foolishness and Ver did in Personality 2. I am happy that Dandel Doesn't balance around vets. It's a retarded idea. The point of this is that our team had very little thread influence(Not activity based, like skill based), like marv HAD to push wrong lynches for us to win. All of us cant spearhead a lynch, we need someone to take our ideas and kill dudes with it. Which takes a lot of power out scum's hands again, which I didnt like. | ||
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Somehow Axle got lynched for basically the lulz and since he was scum, lotta dudes with lotta town cred. Me and tunkeg COULD NOT STOP IT/we werent even in the thread. I think all the games with random switches on to scum have worked out really well for town. And the instant majority made it easy for that to happen. | ||
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On April 11 2013 20:35 sciberbia wrote: I'm strongly in favor of true RNG. I don't think you can argue that scum played as well as town in this game. Good scumplay is defined per the win condition as not dying. All 3 scum died. It's not like it's not within their power to not die. If they had all played the towniest games of their lives they would surely have won. Not saying it's easy but I'm saying the better team won. Mafia is a team game. As long as the setup is such that the better team will usually win that is fair in my book. In most team games you can make fair teams for every game but a key feature of mafia is that knowing who is on your team ruins the game. I think it takes away a lot of the spirit of the game if marv knows going in that either palmar or ace must be scum. edit: another reason I don't like it is that it puts newer players at a completely unfair disadvantage. All the vets know what teams would be considered balanced but newer players may not. It also unfairly advantages players who personally know the host and what he would be likely to do. imo it is much more fun to try to figure out whether someone is scum by analyzing their filter and interactions with other players than playing guess-what-the-host-thought-would-be-fun. The thing is, games arent like that. No one ever gets lynched for 'BALANCE REASONS THIS GUY IS SCUM'. There is always the main element of analyzing filters and shit like that. | ||
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No. People say that, but no one ever gets lynched off that only. | ||
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On April 11 2013 21:08 marvellosity wrote: Mafia were never going to win this game, there was just too large a difference in abilities/thread impact. This might sound like I'm bashing on the skill of the mafia but it's not how it's meant to come across. None of the people on the mafia-team have a history of large thread impact in a game and that's just a fact. This game was always going to be a town win. If you're happy for a game to be one-sided for the sake of some silly RNG concept, then fine, but you'll get games where mafia basically can't win like this one. I would say if normal deadline and no stupid lightning rod, we wouldve had a chance based off the first 48 hours. | ||
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Marv totally sheeped me day 1, fucking instant majority lynch. Right there is where we lost the game. The point I was bringing up about the 'good' mafia players/high impact players is because in a game SUCH AS THIS, with instant lynches, you need dudes like marv/palmar or the like to be able to PUSH the lynch through. You see on Axle, if Palmar didnt switch but proposed a new target or whatever, I dont think it wouldve gone through. Same with Ace. | ||
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On April 12 2013 01:16 marvellosity wrote: I was going for truthful edit: oats, not sure you know what 'sheeping' means dear It means you want to lynch a player after I call him scum | ||
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On April 12 2013 01:36 marvellosity wrote: I'm kinda tempted, in a completely arbitrary manner, to do some kind of ELO rating for players with both a town and a mafia ELO, with results in games averaged across the team's ELO. Just for curiosity of how it looks. On a speculative note, you could say that you'd expect games with a higher proportion of players with large disparity between town and mafia ELOs to have more positive town results, regardless of 'objective' rating. For example a game of 12 iamperfections would more often result in a town win than a game of 12 wbgs. 12 Iamps. Hilarious | ||
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On April 12 2013 02:20 Ace wrote: I'm rarely worried about how a hammer vote looks, but not hammering in this game as Scum probably was a bad play. Little time left in the day, a couple of wagons pushed, and tons of finger pointing probably means no one worth their salt is going to blame you for the hammer. really unfortunate timing and push choices screwed us there. | ||
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Do you just spend all your time when you are getting mislynched finding funny gifs? | ||
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