EPTEgo Mini Mafia
| Forum Index > TL Mafia |
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
| ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
| ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
| ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 05 2013 11:39 prplhz wrote: i don't know when an alternative suddenly had to include you having part of your hand up your rectum Maybe he just needs an excuse?? | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 05 2013 11:42 iamperfection wrote: and if thats the case dp why did you bother to post at all? To let people know I am here. It's a courtesy thing. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 05 2013 11:41 prplhz wrote: you don't have any reads or you didn't read the game yet? I read the game but I don't have any reads. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 05 2013 11:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: okay kill WoS and iamp ok? You are far to confident in your 'reads' care to explain for me why exactly we should be voting for these people. Or are you just bullshitting around pretending to contribute? | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 05 2013 11:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: Huh i think it's clear from my filter..? no? Just explain to me. In one consolidated post. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 05 2013 11:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: He is voting for Ace because if Ace is scum he is scary... Does it make him scum? What more do you need?? OK. Now read what you just wrote and ask yourself if that is a good enough reason to lynch someone. Would you like to be lynched for that reason? are you really being helpful with that 'case?' | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
I have no idea what you mean by this. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 05 2013 12:13 marvellosity wrote: Mostly I read this as the fact that DarthPunk isn't WaveofShadow LOL. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 05 2013 12:14 WaveofShadow wrote: Rayn's filter is now 3 pages long and it is 3 hours into the game. This is inexcusable in my opinion, as is his constant inane shitposting. From this point forward unless he changes his methodology I will hereby be ignoring any and all 'contributions' he has made. I'm not sure what other people's opinions are regarding him but I really don't feel like entertaining this kind of baseless annoying bullshit, so discuss with him and give him a forum if you must but I will take no part in it. DP, welcome to the thread. You've mentioned you have no reads thus far; I can appreciate that. Anything to add at all regarding Ace? I don't want to lynch him for any of the reasons provided thus far. In fact. I am choosing to view all this as day one posturing and not serious because otherwise people are being retarded. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 05 2013 12:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: Also WoS is scum. Why? There is no point just saying that. Convince the thread. Convince me. I am open minded. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 05 2013 10:12 iamperfection wrote: how about instead of commenting on how ace is useful or not useful or is good as mafia we comment on what he did this game. He did two useless posts and then disappeared. Thats scummy avoiding the spotlight yada yada agree or disagree So from this point onwards Perfection has tunnelled ace because he has been 'useless' or whatever. This makes no fucking sense because most of the thread hasn't really done anything useful. Now I would potentially be up for a lurker lynch, but if we are going to lynch a lurker why not call it like it is. Not doing so doesn't sit right with me and this tunnel doesn't feel right either. To me is seems like perfection is trying to push a lynch really hard and being ultra aggressive about it as a way to cover up scumminess. This is a n initial read so take it with a grain of salt. But right now I think perfection has the best chance of flipping red. ##Vote: Iamperfection. I'd be willing to discuss this if anyone else has a different perspective. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 05 2013 21:53 Palmar wrote: that's the most passionate lurker lynch I've seen in a while iamperfection. Nothing in Ace's filter points to him being scum. I'll give you that nothing points to him being town either. He's simply not playing the game at the moment, same can be said about tunkeg and sciberbia. Sure, if you want to lynch lurkers be my guest, but man, it feels really off how much you want this lynch to happen. LOL apparently palmar said the same thing a few pages back. Makes me more comfortable about this then. Screaming for a particular lurker lynch over any other lurker lynch like you think he is actually scum, like you could actually know that at this point is sooooo off. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 05 2013 22:29 iamperfection wrote: cant kill them all dp can we. This is so fallacious. What makes ace scum and none of the other lurkers scum. Why ACE? Why now? the fact that you didn't even call it a lurker lynch and have screamed about ace being scum is retarded. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 05 2013 21:42 iamperfection wrote: why does it look like ace isnt get lynched? what has he done to make you think he is not scum? Why are you being passive? Why are you not pushing for what you want? why am i forced to ask these questions? are you scum? Ok this is even more ridiculous. Why on god's earth would a townie attack marv for not voting for his ridiculous lurker lynch/tunnell??? Somehow not voting his way is scummy? Let me tell you right now this does not resonate as if it is someone who wants to figure out the game. This appears like someone who has an agenda, who pushes it aggressively and who attacks anyone who questions that agenda. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
| ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 05 2013 22:38 iamperfection wrote: not what i said at all. i said scum marv tends to be lazy and doesn't push for what HE wants. Yes but it was catalysed by marv un-voting ace. Don't try and tell me that had nothing to do with it as that is the post you quoted in response to and you had not made these same observations UNTIL he un-voted ace. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 05 2013 22:40 iamperfection wrote: to bad roles where randomized so we dont even have to entertain retarded team balance talk  That is the reason I brought it up because something like that could actually happen with completely randomised roles. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 05 2013 22:46 iamperfection wrote: then i dont know what to think about you marv ill update my thoughts on you after the lynch. We will see if you truly care about town. The thing is Iamp. You are probably our best lynch right now. So 'updating us with your thoughts after the lynch' is not going to cut it. If you want to survive I suggest you play nice and tell us what we want to know. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 05 2013 22:50 iamperfection wrote: lol how am i the best lynch im the most active player. You dont know what scum motivation is. You are talking shit. You are being useless despite your 'activity'. I'm not sure how the others feel, but having the longest filter comprised of the scummiest/shittiest posts is not doing anything for me sweetheart. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 05 2013 23:03 iamperfection wrote: i believe i have said like 8 billion times because he bother to let us know he was here but didnt do shit. He also ran away when i specifically called him out after he somewhat addressed me directly but then said nothing about me or anything else in the thread Why aren't you tunnelling the other players who do this? | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 06 2013 19:33 marvellosity wrote: I'll summarise for you - pushes iamp the disappears when iamp starts defending himself, never to return. I've been socialising as it was a saturday. I'm here now reading the thread. and can talk if anyone is around. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 06 2013 20:30 marvellosity wrote: It's a combination of sciberbia not mentioning WoS for a very long time, and then seemingly giving WoS an out as you mention. I'm curious how you're standing so firmly against Palmar on sciberbia, normally you respect his judgement quite a lot. I don't know how relevant this even is as neither have flipped and associations do nothing to make a lynch on either of them more persuasive IMO. I have felt that WoS has been somewhat scummy from what I have read of him so far, but that being said I felt he was scummy from EVERYTHING I read of him in The Game. That in itself has made me cautious of a WoS lynch. Sciberbia I think should be given time to contribute as he has a reputation for being really solid as town and that should come across, or not, given contributions from him. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
| ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 06 2013 22:36 iamperfection wrote:  Care to say something useful I can discuss with you? | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 06 2013 22:41 iamperfection wrote: i have said quite a bit this game. thought you were going to read filters. maybe you should go do that. Yeah? Fuck you Iamp. my vote stays right where it is. All you are doing is antagonising someone for not being here for a day. There is no pro town reason for doing that. Either you are being scummy or a dick and either way I want you gone. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 06 2013 22:52 marvellosity wrote: DP, stop making yourself look atrocious. I don't care what I look like. I am pissed off that Instead of going to bed at 1am I come back from a party and hop on my computer to fulfill my obligation to the game and Iamperfection is a complete twat for no reason. Tell me WHY ON GOD'S EARTH A TOWNIE WOULD SAY after saying I will contribute and then when politely asked to join in a meaningful discussion says no and implies that I have no right to ask something because I was gone for a day. It is complete bollocks and does not gel with a town mindset. He is either scum or a complete twat. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 06 2013 22:54 marvellosity wrote: By the way, DP - remember those PMs we shared in The Game? You know, why people always seem to have a mafiaread on you? Posts like that. That's why. There is no reason for that post to give people a scum read on me. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
THAT IS NOT USEFUL. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
| ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 06 2013 23:01 marvellosity wrote: And it's not a crime either. Anyway I'm not going to argue with you any more. Just do your best with the time you have before you leave, because it's quite possible we'll arrive at a lynch while you're in bed. A vote on iamp doesn't cut it. It was deliberate provocation and you know it. I'm going to go read the filters I said I would read. and If I decide to vote perfection after that, that is my prerogative. Regardless of if it makes the cut. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 06 2013 23:06 marvellosity wrote: It wasn't deliberate provocation at all. The world isn't against you, dear. iamp is 100% not getting lynched today and we will need a majority. So if you're fine wasting your vote, then be my guest. Tell me why a townie would imply that I have no right to a meaningful discussion and shut that down. If Iamperfection is so pro activity he should obviously jump at the chance to have some spontaneous discussion with someone? Explain to me what exactly is townie about perfections interaction with me since I came into the thread today? Because I see no reason for a townie to do something like that. But I 100% see a reason for scum to do so. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 06 2013 23:07 iamperfection wrote: im not here to make you feel better about yourself. if you actually think im scum thats fine and all but you better explain why. me having a little fun with you is not going to cut it. I already have arguments in my filter against you. Perhaps you should read it again. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 06 2013 23:11 iamperfection wrote: lol i did the opposite i told you to read filters and come back Whatever. Perhaps I am taking this way out of proportion and context. I concede that I might be. I still think posting popcorn when someone is making an effort is a dick move. However On April 06 2013 22:41 iamperfection wrote: i have said quite a bit this game. thought you were going to read filters. maybe you should go do that. This does not imply me coming back. This reads to me like you are just trying to discredit me/ provoke me. and seems even more realistic an interpretation in the context of your BS popcorn. Marv is right though. We aren't going to lynch you today as much as I might personally love to do so. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
That IS scummy. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 06 2013 23:16 Oatsmaster wrote: Im back. Damn that was a long day. DP feels like personality DP and not town DP(whatever game) Iamp feels like town IAMP I SAID THAT ALREADY NOW SHEEP ME. + Show Spoiler + ##Vote sci This is entirely unacceptable. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
| ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 06 2013 23:20 iamperfection wrote: then who would like to lynch? i suggest you take a gander at prplz What is your read on oats and why? | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
No. That is not good enough. You can't just give reads because you 'feel' something with no backup. That is unacceptable. You cannot give town reads because you 'feel' something that is entirely unacceptable. And now you are repeating something that obviously provoked me and caused me to trash the thread a bit beforehand. Now I am really wondering what it is that you have done, and why it makes you town. And reading your filter I really can't see anything. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 06 2013 23:32 Oatsmaster wrote: Um I can give reads. But im not pushing them you see. I am creating a discussion point. You are taking this EXTREMELY seriously. Why? Also why did you wait for me to respond before posting this more logical piece instead of posting it earlier, rather than 'BULLSHIT I SAY, BULLSHIT' Because I didn't think I would have to explain to you why it was unacceptable. Obviously I did. So you are giving out useless reads with no meaning behind them and no information for town and then not pushing them. Cool story bro. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
Part 1: The Iamp mess. On April 05 2013 19:19 Oatsmaster wrote: Iamp is being useless and his spam was contained in a very short period of time. Probably due to time constrains and sleep though. Feels like town Iamp especially with irritation with rayn for being an idiot. AFAIK he hasnt rolled scum in forever so I dont see meta as being very useful. So marv is basically useless in this case. Here is the beginning of his entirely odd read of IAMP. He is scummy trait one and two but probably town. On April 05 2013 21:58 Oatsmaster wrote: Every game(mini) Ive seen someone say this, they are scum. #justsaying Here he is scum potentially On April 05 2013 22:00 Oatsmaster wrote: Again you do this too sometimes and you arent scum when you do this. CONVINCE ME. Then he asks IAMP his previous town then scum read to convince him he is town. On April 05 2013 22:04 Oatsmaster wrote: Damn. I was hoping for a paragraph out of you. Its like bigfoot. Rumored to exist but NEVER BEEN SEEN. Another dig at Iamperfection who he has most recently called scum and whom Oats is waiting to be convinced on. On April 05 2013 22:14 Oatsmaster wrote: what the hell palmar. WHAT IN THE WORLD DO YOU SEE IN IAMPS PLAY THAT MAKES HIM SCUM AND NOT how iamp normally is? And here is the gold. 'What the hell palmar' screams oates in all caps. Why are you voting for obviously town IAMP despite my previous read being scum rather than town. On April 05 2013 22:51 Oatsmaster wrote: You dont use meta or you do use meta? It cant be one or the other. Ace you said is scummy FUCK META Marv you said is scummy CAUSE META. WHICH IS IT? and then back to attacking IAMP and his arguments despite typing in all caps that Iamp was townie to plamar. Part 2: The non push on sciberbia. Oats has made one case all game. It was made after he was asked to look into this person and it consists of this. On April 05 2013 19:24 Oatsmaster wrote: He starts with random setup speculation with a really really fucking obvious answer if he even followed vaguely any instant majority lynch game. Yeah all setup speculation and trying to justify his argument, 'to start discussion' YEAH you dont do that with such a bad question. It looked like a setup and for him to look active with easy stuff to post. Yeah sniping marv and asking really 'snipy' questions. Feeling off right now, leaning scum on him ##Vote: Sci This is the worst case in the world for day three or day two or any day that is not day one. He is voting him based on sciberbia speculating setup at the beginning of the game That would be fine if that was a start of game discussion vote or whatever but it is not. And this one 'cases' has been clung to for the rest of the day by oats. although his vote has been parked there since that time he has not pushed his lynch or provided anything at all to add to this shitty start of game 'case' In fact. He doersn;t even MENTION sciberbia again until Iamp asks him. On April 06 2013 00:03 Oatsmaster wrote: Scum on Sci i have townreads I dont want to disclose. On April 06 2013 00:45 Oatsmaster wrote: Read on Sciberia everybody? Why do you not want to lynch him everyone who doesnt want to lynch him? He is hanging on to his shitty day one case and not providing anything to back it up. When marv correctly asks WHY? we want to lynch sciberbia. He copy pastes the same shitty day one case. On April 06 2013 01:22 Oatsmaster wrote: By your command Marv. This is why I want to lynch scib He has yet to give any compelling reasons or arguments for town to lynch sciberbia and has relied on a day one case based on a pressure vote as his case to sit on all game. DESPITE being somewhat active he has done little to push his lynch unless prompted. Any other mention of sciberbia is a throwaway line and he DOES NOT PUSH AT ALL OR FURTHER HIS NUMBER ONE SCUM READ AND VOTE OF THE ENTIRE GAME. Oats is scum. Discuss. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 06 2013 23:37 marvellosity wrote: I think I might start enacting this policy: Whatever dude. I am actually trying and my posts are not idiotic like you are making them out to be. So quit it please. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 07 2013 00:02 Oatsmaster wrote: Do you have any reads other than Iamp? Can you answer my question on Iamp please? (Im asking nicely this time, next time maybe not) Lol read the case that is 3 posts up from this one. Or are you just trying to ignore it? Oh and the reason I wanted to lynch Perfection today is because he was being a jerk. And I could not see a town reason to be such a jerk. But mainly because I was upset at him. That was pretty obvious. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
Vote: Oatsmaster | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 07 2013 00:09 Tunkeg wrote: DarthPunk since you are here, what is your view on WoS and sci? I just read their filters. Don't want to lynch sci at all today, and I would rather allow WoS some time to develop his filter a bit more before we lynch him off the tiny amount of posting he has done so far. WoS is a straight up lurker lynch IMO. If we are going to lynch a lurker I want to lynch Axle. Axle has been known to post A LOT almost always. If we lynch a lurker I would be most comfortable on him for meta reasons. That being said I suggest we take as much time as we need to give lurkers the opportunity to contribute. The lynch mechanics allow longer days which favor town so there is no need to be hasty and lynch a lurker. I would much rather lynch oats. Please read my case on him carefully and give your thoughts. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 07 2013 00:14 Oatsmaster wrote: oh the frustration? I dont know, again, this seems similar to personality 2 where he had a shitfest with Marv. Guess what? He was scum there. You have no fucking idea about how to read me with meta. and if marv get's it wrong multiple times I doubt you, who have played like one game with me at most, would get it right. Also if you insist on using meta on someone you have rarely played with, I suggest you read my previous games and enlighten yourself so I can actually take you seriously rather than pretend that you know wtf you are talking about. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 07 2013 00:10 Oatsmaster wrote: Didnt see that. Scib didnt post anything in the period I was on last night. Get your details right. So when marv asked me why I thought Scib was scum, NOTHING CHANGED. Except there is more than one person in the thread so if there was no additional information on one person there was surely more than a shitty case based on a start of game speculation post on another. On April 07 2013 00:10 Oatsmaster wrote: Damn you missed SO much in my filter DP. Intentionally? Or not? The point of a case is not to quote your entire filter. WTF are you actually saying here? Aside from trying to discredit me without saying anything. On April 07 2013 00:10 Oatsmaster wrote: Why is my flipflopping on Iamp scummy DP? Flip flopping by it's very nature is a classic scm tell. But add to that that you made it seem like palmar was an idiot for not viewing IAMP, YOUR SCUM READ! as town makes no fucking sense from a town mindset. On April 07 2013 00:10 Oatsmaster wrote: Also with the slightest bit of pressure, IE asking you to explain difference between town Iamp and this one. YOU DROP IT? What DP? I don't use meta. But if you want to read my 'meta analysis' of Iamp it is in my filter. Also I had already dropped it at marv's request. You are clearly scum. I refuse to engage with you further. I will discuss your lynch with townies. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 07 2013 00:15 iamperfection wrote: here he is frustrated about not being listened to i don t remember that in personality Why don't you want to lynch oats. Please read his filter with an open mind if you have time. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 07 2013 00:32 iamperfection wrote: because i woud perfer killing prplhz, ace and wos wqell before him. oats has shown intrest in the lynch much rather kill those ppl Yeah but the thing is he actually HASN'T shown interest in the lynch. Imagine if you had a solid scum read all game. SO solid that it had never changed. Wouldn't you push that lynch hard? Wouldn't you be screaming at the top of your lungs to lynch this scum? None of this occurs in Oats' filter. In fact much of his filter is useless comments on byplay/ trolling. He barely mentions sciberbia and hasn't actively pushed HIS TOP SCUM READ. It is patently obvious that oats does not, in fact, care about the lynch and this is DESPITE reasonable activity which is a lot worse than not caring about lynches when you are barely posting at all. Please. THINK. oats is scum. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 07 2013 00:40 AxleGreaser wrote: Even though I think it was Marv that suggested it, I am not sure why WoS being scum would make you scum. It could do, but that is a preflip association case. My problem is even if WoS is town, scum know who is town and know they can defend them for the towny cred if they get flipped. ##vote Sciberbia What the fuck is this? For what reason EXACTLY are you voting sciberbia? | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
| ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 07 2013 00:44 Oatsmaster wrote: Damn I lost my post. Summary. Tone in jovial posts seems very similar to personality rather than THE GAME for DP. I was wrong about the violent posting, I dont see it anywhere but I dont think its alignment indicative. This is trash. I can link you to a game where I get mislynched for the same meta argument. You have no way near enough experience in games with me or with my meta for this to even be worthwhile. Add to that I have NEVER been correctly lynched with meta. Also does it seem odd to any townies that Oats is clinging to some sort of meta read to prove I am scum? He is not making a case in the thread. And has now found that he couldn't make a meta case based on aggression jumped onto the complete opposite end of the spectrum to provide some weak as shit 'meta' reason to state I am playing more like scum than town. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
| ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
##unvote: Iamperfection ##Vote: Oatsmaster | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
What is your opinion of oats' desperation to paint me as scum through meta after playing one game together in which i replaced in. And having a complete backflip on his meta case after actually reading the games. Almost like he went SEARCHING for things to make me scummy. Rather than making an actual READ based on EVIDENCE. Don't you agree? | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 07 2013 00:55 iamperfection wrote: might want to kill axle now above all else his reasoning for voting for scrib is that he has none and he dosnt want to have a discourse with town Axle is my number 2 scum read. But we should lynch scum oats also. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
I am off to bed. It's 3 am. I wouldn't expect axle to post again for ~8 hours. Australian timezone. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 07 2013 00:59 marvellosity wrote: Oats isn't scum. You don't get to just say that marv. You are wrong all the time. So give me something other than that. It is insulting at the very least that I have put in a lot of time writing a strong case on a scummy player that you get to shut it down with three words. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
| ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 07 2013 01:03 marvellosity wrote: Wrong a lot less than you sweetie. I already talked about Oats in my filter and nothing's changed as far as I'm concerned. This is a bullshit argument. It doesn't matter who is wrong more. You need to provide a new argument when new evidence is available. You are wrong enough that you can't act like everything you say is fact without providing anything. Which is something I do not do. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 07 2013 01:01 Oatsmaster wrote: I dont read his posts. But Im not feeling the same activity in Noir. Convince me. DP what does a themed game have to do with your meta? You brush it away by saying. ITS WRONG OHH ITS WRONG. Point it out for me since im clearly a 'dumbass'/scum please? You haven't even provided anything in terms of a meta analysis for me to provide you with a counter example of how it is wrong. You said my 'jovial posts are different' You have played one game with me in which I replaced in and it was a themed game. I do not have to explain why this is different. It is . If you do not understand why that is you are an idiot and shouldn't use meta. You have not played with me enough to read me with meta. Even if you had played with me enough nobody correctly reads me with meta aside from keir, who has recently misread me with meta also. Now you are asking me to provide arguments against a meta analysis WHICH DOES NOT EXIST. I am done talking to you for this game unless you are somehow ever confirmed town at all (doubtful) Night all! | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
| ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 07 2013 08:54 marvellosity wrote: WoS said "Claim what?" I've no idea what his "I already did" was referring to. These posts do not go together. "It makes no sense to unvote WoS" ... "I believe it's possible it was a genuine reaction" So... it does make sense, right? Like wtf is this as a vote? This is a post attacking ace which doesn't even mention sciberbia aside from in the context of the attack on marv. Then there is a fucking no reason vote plastered on the end of it. Not good enough. Marv knows/should know better than to just throw votes out with no reasoning. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
*attack on ace | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 07 2013 09:37 marvellosity wrote: It wasn't a vote, it was attacking Ace for his stance on WoS. Can you not read? I quoted the wrong post. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 07 2013 08:45 marvellosity wrote: Unlike Oats, who is "scum at best, town is worst"? Super solid reason you have there, Ace. I'm with Palmar on this one. And your irrational opposition to the lynch while championing an equally irrational lynch makes me feel better about it too. You're telling us/town it makes no sense to unvote WoS, but you've never actually had your vote on him yourself. If you're so sure, why weren't you hammering his wagon? #paranoia #yolo #willlookatthegamewhilenotundertheinfluencetomorrow ##Vote: sciberbia Like wtf is this as a vote? This is a post attacking ace which doesn't even mention sciberbia aside from in the context of the attack on marv. Then there is a fucking no reason vote plastered on the end of it. Not good enough. Marv knows/should know better than to just throw votes out with no reasoning.[/QUOTE] | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 07 2013 09:42 marvellosity wrote: Saying there is "no way" sciberbia should be up for the lynch and "scum could be hiding in this silliness" does not equate to him being a decent lynch, which you just implied. "silliness" != 3rd best lynch. Marv what exactly have you said to make sciberbia scum aside from associations with someone you just unvoted? On April 06 2013 20:30 marvellosity wrote: It's a combination of sciberbia not mentioning WoS for a very long time, and then seemingly giving WoS an out as you mention. On April 06 2013 19:48 marvellosity wrote: I actually have some connection feelings between WoS and sciberbia too, but I'll wait until if/when WoS flips red to talk about that On April 06 2013 20:02 marvellosity wrote: I might as well say it given I alluded to it; I think a WoS red-flip heavily implicates sciberbia as red. Which is an underneath reason why I want to lynch WoS today. Seems like you are trying to make an association case before the flip and the association is now with someone you are unwilling to lynch. So when you say to look in your filter for the reason behind your sciberbia vote with ZERO justification and all I find is the above quotes. I don't know What the fuck you are talking about. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 07 2013 09:53 marvellosity wrote: Here: It's essentially just agreeing with Palmar, because I... agreed with Palmar. No need to rehash everything. So. Despite the fact that this was buried in a vote for WoS and is essentially using more words to repeat what palmar said in two sentences you didn't think it was a good idea to provide anything with your vote or EVEN MENTION SCIBERBIA AT ALL?!? Forgive me if I am mistaken but the major reason for wanting to lynch sciberbia is pushing oats. But when I push oats far harder than sciberbia did you don't call me out for pushing oats? Rehashing 2 sentences in one post voting for someone else is not a good enough reason to lynch someone. And it is CERTAINLY not good enough that you are not required to even mention that person when you vote for them. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
| ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 07 2013 10:19 Palmar wrote: ##unvote ##vote marvellosity This is not good enough either. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
##Vote: Marvellosity | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
| ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 07 2013 15:10 sciberbia wrote: Well I agree with what you said about his jump on my wagon being concerning. I know that marv thinks very highly of my town play, and therefore I'm concerned that he was willing to let me die on what in my opinion was some pretty flimsy evidence. Here are some quotes of his from a scum QT from a long time ago + Show Spoiler + that's why I'm coaching in scumQT hehe. sciberbia just replaced Monk. you need to nightkill him. -------------------------------------------------------------- sciberbia is arguably the strongest newbie to come through TL Mafia in recent times. And within this game he said + Show Spoiler + On April 07 2013 09:26 marvellosity wrote: I hold you to higher expectations than I do either of those players. referring to DP and Ace, who are certainly no slouches. Knowing that he thinks a lot of my town play, I see a ton of mafia motivation to support Palmar's sciberbia wagon and try to get me out of the game, and on Palmar's wagon no less (yes I think Palmar is town). But I don't see a lot of town motivation for his complacency in just letting me die. Posts like these don't sit right with me. + Show Spoiler + On April 06 2013 20:49 marvellosity wrote: Alright Palmar. We can do it your way. For now. ##Vote: sciberbia On April 07 2013 02:04 marvellosity wrote: They're both looking pretty tough to me right now >.< I kinda just want someone to die and flip really. On April 07 2013 08:45 marvellosity wrote: Unlike Oats, who is "scum at best, town is worst"? Super solid reason you have there, Ace. I'm with Palmar on this one. And your irrational opposition to the lynch while championing an equally irrational lynch makes me feel better about it too. You're telling us/town it makes no sense to unvote WoS, but you've never actually had your vote on him yourself. If you're so sure, why weren't you hammering his wagon? #paranoia #yolo #willlookatthegamewhilenotundertheinfluencetomorrow ##Vote: sciberbia If we were about to lynch DP/Palmar/marv/anyone that I think would be quite an asset as town, I'd want to feel damn good about them being scum before letting them die. Especially because there is no rush to lynch today. But I don't think marv had any especially good reasons to think I am scum. marv has seen me play a lot, and I don't think my play this game has been that different from other games where I've been town. Marv should know that I like posting fluffy setup stuff as town, and overall I think he should be able to read me as town, or at the very least not have a scumread. But I suppose it's possible we both just overestimate each other and that he is impatient and doesn't think like me. Even before the wagon on me, I was leaning scum on marv based on some things earlier in the game. I think there's a decent chance he's scum. The towniest thing in his filter to me is his WoS/scib conspiracy theory. Like I said before I think theories like that show paranoia and are generally indicative of town. I dunno. It's getting late. Sorry for rambling a bit. Am I talking sense DP? Yeah. This is a really solid post. I really don't get the wagon on you and posts like this come off as insanely townie to me. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
| ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 07 2013 16:41 Oatsmaster wrote: k cool . Thats an easy way to back down from anything ever. Any reads? I assume you changed your mind about me but you dont want to 180 in thread. You and marv. When reading the thread did it actually look like I have no reads. jesus christ you are thick. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 07 2013 16:51 Oatsmaster wrote: Lets talk about marv. 1 town tell I have on him is that he defends me to the hilt. Then again I told him that last game so maybe he took it into account. HOWEVER, I think that he looks really involved with the game and he cares about who he wants to lynch WoS in particular. Thoughts everybody? Scum marv can fake being involved like a townie. The thing is his effort as scum whilst good isn't stellar. See GSLIII. I don't think he cares about who to lynch as his additions to the sciberbai vote = nothing. He hasn't been open and forthcoming with his thought processes which you would do if you cared about who you wanted town to lynch. His vote on sciberbia has even less reasoning behind it than yours. I.E. Nothing aside from sheep palmar. Do you really think town marv is a useless sheep who doesn't explain his votes? Because that is what you are saying if you believe marv to be town. Also defending a 'bad' townie to the hilt is something marv does in EVERY game he rolls scum. see Liquid City, GSL III and many more scum games of marv. It is actually a recognized part of his scum meta. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 07 2013 17:12 Oatsmaster wrote: I said ME specifically not bad townie.(im a good townie  )In themed. He was scum, and let BH lynch me. Every other game, he has rolled town and defended me. I think that Marv respects and therefore sheeps palmar. Do you sheep dudes? Why not marv? Well if Marv was scum and WoS is town(current thinking cause I agree with Palmar's facts that it was a townie response to dude under pressure). Why did he unvote WoS? Why not just hammer the dude? To me you are a bad townie. Perhaps to marv. I don't think the meta evidence of him defending you is enough. ESPECIALLY if it has been discussed previously. Sheeping is fine. Rewording a two sentence post buried in a vote for another person and not saying anything original and then refusing to discuss the reason for a vote where he doesn;t even MENTION the person he is voting for is not. Also most of the case against sciberbia was an association with WoS who he is now not voting for. About the WoS unvote; It was really obvious to all the good players that WoS was looking more and more townie. Marv would have got demolished if he had done anything BUT unvote at that point. simply because he should have known better. There are conventions after you play for a while were good players almost have to respond to certain things a certain way or they are claiming scum. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
None of this proves he is town. It IS possible he is scum. But the fact is that it created enough doubt that it wasn;t obvious that he was scum anymore for those people voting for him. I, personally, never wanted to lynch him because I misread him quite severely in my previous game and am taking a cautious approach to him. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
I would probably lump him in the same category as Axle and rayn. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 07 2013 18:19 Palmar wrote: I'm probably overthinking this but I may be coming around to the idea that sci isn't scum. I hate these long days, my gut is far better at mafia than my brain. Why did you vote for marv? Are you going to follow that up at all? | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 07 2013 19:01 Oatsmaster wrote: WoS, Where? Im confused/curious too. (yeah im slow/not going in a straight line blablabla yeah im blue hunting blablabla) He claimed town at the start of the game. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 07 2013 19:19 Oatsmaster wrote: So it was a joke. Right. Why do people make such bad jokes that dont make sense? WHY? He said it wasn't a joke. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 07 2013 19:31 Oatsmaster wrote: So he thought that Ace was asking for his alignment? Wait WHAT? No he said his claim at the start of the game was not a joke. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
| ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 07 2013 21:00 marvellosity wrote: Wow, you take a tiny bit of my post and ignore the rest? LOL YOU ARE SO AWESOME. That was the major point defending yourself. The rest was justification of your questionable actions. Essentially the argument against the scummiest things against you (no reasons for votes, no original case, rephrasing palmar etc) is that you wouldn't do that as scum. I am not going to engage with you buddy. I am trying not to get into Flame wars this game. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 07 2013 21:05 Oatsmaster wrote: Then what do you want to do if you dont feel like talking to anyone? Go to bed? | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 07 2013 21:08 marvellosity wrote: Off you toddle then. Sure thing scummer! or I will stick around. My decision after all. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 07 2013 21:05 Oatsmaster wrote: Then what do you want to do if you dont feel like talking to anyone? Also I was talking to you and tunkeg before. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 07 2013 21:14 marvellosity wrote: Think in your head why I've responded to sciberbia on this and not you. Because you're totally irrational and incapable of reading, whereas sciberbia is not. The very fact that you broke my post down to the response you gave basically shows you're incapable of critical thought. No I just know that you can rationalise anything and make it seem reasonable. Disagreeing with you does not make me an idiot despite you trying to create that myth. I am quite content in my ability to think critically thanks. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 07 2013 21:17 marvellosity wrote: I see. You're going to confirmation bias this read to the end of time. Glad to hear it mate. And you are going to try and discredit your detractors until the end of time. I understand. That is playing to your win condition. Too bad you are scum. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 07 2013 21:26 marvellosity wrote: How is that discrediting? It's blatantly true. What this says is that there's no way you won't see me as scum, because any bad explanation i give is scummy, but any good explanation I give isn't townie, because I'm capable of giving it as scum. Ergo, even if I explain my thought process in an open way, it's impossible for you to read town from it because I'm capable of doing so as scum, apparently. You also belittle my self-meta analysis, fine, self-meta analysis is in itself kinda useless. But you've played many games with me and you should know that what I talked about IS true. Or you can go and check for yourself what I'm referencing, that it's true. You can go look at the GSL game you like to reference and see if I made any "shit" votes there. Actually you're reasonably intimate with how I play, we've played, what, a good 8 games together? Why would you disregard my past games? All this is precisely the definition of confirmation bias. Let me make this clear. To the part of the case I really was interested in, you responded that you wouldn't do scummy stuff like that as scum. The other parts seemed reasonable, and were also responses to the parts of the case that were weakest and thus that I cared about the least. But the part that gives me the biggest scum read on you is the part on which you gave an entirely unsatisfactory answer. I don't do scummy stuff like make ridiculous votes with no reasoning behind it as scum is not satisfactory answer. In fact it is the kind of answer I often give AS SCUM. The scummiest thing against you was answered unsatisfactorily, ergo: I still find you scummy. I do know your meta, but I am bad at reading you with it and using it in general. So I am choosing to ignore meta and focus on events IN THIS GAME. And IN THIS GAME you have made questionable reads and actively refused to give reasons. IN THIS GAME the excuse that it's not scummy because you wouldn't do something so scummy as scum is not an acceptable argument. Furthermore. I read people better by reading their contributions to scum hunting rather than their defense posts so it is fallacious to say that I will never find you townie because i am sceptical of your defense posts. I am sceptical of every defense post due to their very nature. As your scumhunting barely exists aside from association cases before the flip and a sheep of palmar I cannot use that to form a town read on you. What I am wondering is why on earth you are stating I am stupid over stating I am scummy. Why you are calling this confirmation bias rather than scum trying to mislynch you. Perhaps you KNOW I am town? | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
| ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 07 2013 22:22 marvellosity wrote: Why don't you just answer my last post properly instead, we're in civil mode now. Why don't you make a small commitment to a read on me? | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 07 2013 22:40 marvellosity wrote: Why don't you just answer my post? You've got my answers my opinion hasn't changed and i don't like to repeat myself. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 07 2013 22:46 marvellosity wrote: Do you at least understand the perspective I've put forth in the post you won't reply to? Do you understand my grievances? yes. I understand your perspective. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
| ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
| ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 07 2013 22:58 marvellosity wrote: Alright. I'll tell you where I am. Before this conversation there were 3 options. 1. DP is reasonable town in his suspicions of me 2. DP is unreasonable town in his suspicions of me 3. DP is mafia Where this last page has got me is this far. 2. DP is unreasonable town in his suspicions of me 3. DP is mafia I'd quite like to hear what iamp makes of it, he's usually pretty good at picking out these things. I'm unreasonable because I don't agree with you? Righto buddy. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
OK so usually by this stage of the game marv has made his townieness abundantly clear to me. He has usually made some cases that I have empathised with and that have appealed to me. I usually like sheeping marv. This game he has sheeped a piece of shit case on sciberbia without really contributing anything and when questioned on why directed people to the fat load of nothing in his filter. Also he has been more arrogant than usual and quicker to call me bad/dumb even than in past games with him especially when I am doing what I consider useful things for town. All this means I don't have the comfortable town read on marv that I usually posess. I don't think his reasoning behind making poor/unexplained votes cuts it as an excuse. And I don't feel like that is an unreasonable position. What I will say is I do like the way he has interacted with me during the past page and his genuine need to convince me rather than flame me into the ground is somewhat of a comfort albeit a small one. For the moment I feel marv is scummy. But I have been convinced marv is scum before (when marv was playing badly) and he was not. I feel like he could just be playing badly again. I am not infallible and I am not unrealistic. I don't think the correct play is to lynch a questionable marv day one. He has an 8 page filter and is potentially to valuable to mislynch (as is sciberbia IMO) Therefore while I encourage everyone to this game continue to eye marv with blazing scepticism I don't feel it is the correct play to lynch him today. I would additionally like some third party observations of the interplay between marv and myself so that I can potentially gain some new perspective (not from the sheep marv brigade though thnks) Alright. Please don't hammer anyone. ##unvote Night all! | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 07 2013 23:08 marvellosity wrote: To expand slightly, you could think I was mafia and still be reasonable about it. It's unreasonable because 1) you're voting for me on what is usually (in fact always, before this game) a towntell for me 2) you're voting for me for not explaining my sciberbia read, when I previously had 3) you're still voting for me despite me explaining very clearly and rationally how I went about the scib read, why I went about the scib read, and despite me trying to basically unsuccessfully engage you on my play, which you should know really quite well These aren't reasonable actions, hence I scratched out 1. 1.) I would need to take your word on point one. It is not something I have noticed, in fact I genuinely believe the opposite. I have vivid memories of you explaining things to people rather than telling them to fuck off and read something buried in your filter. 2.) The rationale has little value to me as it is a post-hoc rationalisation of behavior. This would have been wonderful accompanying a sciberbia vote. but it is the result of votes and pressure and questions and could have been thought up over the twelve hours or more since your vote. Yes, you are saying this is what happened and that is your rationale. But this is not spontaneous and it is post-hoc and this to me greatly diminishes its value as a tool by which to read you. 3.) I am not accepting a meta argument to explain away scummy things. Perhaps you view this as unreasonable. There I disagree. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 07 2013 23:23 marvellosity wrote: I still don't get why, if you think the sciberbia case was a "piece of shit", you're fine with Palmar making it at all. But whatever. See you tomorrow I guess. I am not fine with palmar. He has made two questionable votes so far. Which, if you are town I encourage you to apply yourself to understanding. But the fact is that I really don't have the energy to argue with you, Iamp, oats and palmar all at the same time. And the sheep are always worse IMO. I'd rather someone make an original yet shitty case, than sheep one. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
| ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
| ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 08 2013 06:30 marvellosity wrote: Why's he town, broski? Because his actions make sense in the context of a town mindset, he obviously is trying to figure stuff out with the way he went about talking with WoS and traps etc. are an INSANELY townie thing to do. Also all his interactions seem natural and easy when he is actually in the thread. Ace screams townie to me. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 08 2013 06:31 WaveofShadow wrote: Well who DO you want to lynch then? I really don't want a no-lynch today and we're running out of time. Marv, Oats or a lurker. Marv looks substantially worse to me since i left again. His list post was disgusting and he seems to be trashing everyone who doesn't read him as town. Which I don't like at all. Oats I think is the best lynch though. There was a couple of posts after I had gone to bed that just reeked of inherent guilt. On April 08 2013 00:33 Oatsmaster wrote: ALL ABOARD THE ACE TRAIN ##Unvote ##Vote: Ace (totally trying to get ANYONE lynched DP. and totally sheeping. DEAL WITH IT) Reasoning coming up shortly, STAY TUNED FOLKS. On April 08 2013 00:48 Oatsmaster wrote: marv totes town. DP im not sure, I like this engagement with marv(totally sheeping marv, not.), but I dont like the rest of his play. Although I could imagine a scum player doing this thing with marv. (WISHYWASHY) Let me read it again and get back to you. Like he is joking around with the scummy things that he is doing. But this actually reads to me as someone who is not confident in their alignment as to not give a fuck DESPITE clearly attempting to seem as to not give a fuck all game. It seems to me like he both cares deeply and is highly aware of the scummy things he is doing/has done and is attempting to make light of them by calling them out before anyone else does. This reeks of insecurity and a scum mindset. Furthermore his filter is trash and he has turned into a useless sheep. And now he Sheeps an ace vote and fucks off. ##vote: Oatsmaster | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 08 2013 06:38 marvellosity wrote: so the dude who passively shifts suspicion by following others and passively flings suspicion at Palmar without accusing him and the way he wanted to kill Oats for being a 'distraction' screams townie? Oki doki. Ace had suspicions upon you before I did. So either quit lying or read the thread. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 08 2013 06:46 marvellosity wrote: If you're actually town, DP, after the game I'm gonna make you lick my balls. And I will politely decline. And if you are town I am going to point out that many people that I consider good players think you are scummy and that is a failing of YOU not of THEM and I will also remind you that it is YOUR responsibility to make your alignment perfectly clear. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 08 2013 06:49 Palmar wrote: DP I don't think any lynch that isn't Ace is going to fly tonight. So your options are literally "Ace or No-Lynch". Why won't you lynch oats? also we have four hours. And in no way am I content with what i believe will be a mislynch. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
| ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 08 2013 06:48 marvellosity wrote: maybe he did, but only passive little attacks. He only truly attacked me and voted for me after you started sustaining an attack on me. Go read the thread yourself, you little shit. So he only attacked you after me by your definition of attack? But you didn't say at all that you were applying your own definition as to what constitutes a real attack. you stated that he hadn't until I did. Which is not true. And doing so at all, even a little, totally changes the value of that argument. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
| ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 08 2013 07:03 Palmar wrote: Because I had (for some reason I can't recall now) a pretty good "this guy's probably town" hunch on him. I do promise you, in case Ace flips town (I'm giving this lynch about 50% chance of success), Marv and Oats will be the first people I'm looking to, for multiple reasons. I can't promise you I'd lynch either as i'd have to rethink, but a serious look would be taken. I hope you are aware that I put both marv and oats in the "7 players where I think 2-3 scum are" list. Yes. I am aware that they were on that list. I was just hoping I could save someone I think has a good chance of flipping town. But I could be wrong and it seems that I can't sway the thread. You have to be realistic about these things. I won't vote however in the hopes that ace appears to defend himself. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
| ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 08 2013 07:15 marvellosity wrote: DarthPunk, what say you to the fact that I demonstrated that what Oats has done this game that you find horrendously scummy, he does freely in his town games (and funnily enough, not in his mafia games)? I would say that I was probably wrong on those two posts. He is still sheeping, useless and without a good case to his name. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 08 2013 07:17 AxleGreaser wrote: I have seen this post. I am comfortable with my vote where it is on WoS. I will be here for bit then nap then come back. So you are comfortable with having your vote uselessly on someone and then not pushing it at all to the thread so there is no realistic way for you to actually get the lynch you seem to want? You know we could just lynch axle for not being as active as he was in every town game of his I have seen. DESPITE saying that he had arranged his sleeping schedule around the game. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
##Vote:Axlemaster | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
| ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 08 2013 07:22 DarthPunk wrote: ##unvote: ##Vote:Axlemaster LOL Some sort of hybrid of kush and axle. Brains are weird. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 08 2013 07:24 marvellosity wrote: Just for giggles, DP: + Show Spoiler + Our last games; Red Team - both town, protected him hard for the first 2 days until I got down to him as elimination (he was town and there was one less mafia than we all thought) Personality 2 - both town, I declared him town and protected him Duel Mafia - both town, I protected him while I was alive Themed Mafia - Oats town, marv mafia; Oats got lynched Day 1 without my protection LIX - marv town, Oats mafia, Oats got caught by marv super early. I've always read his alignment correctly, and this game I'm protecting him again because I think strongly that he's town Well. I dislike players like that in general. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 08 2013 07:27 marvellosity wrote: You can dislike them all you want, doesn't mean you should lynch them. Maybe i should to make him stahp. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
Also. Terrible votes. What's up with that? | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
I said meta wasn't a good enough excuse for your scummy behavior, and I quite clearly said i was bad at reading you, specifically, with meta. An activity thing like this is so simple and time and time again it has been tested and found true. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 08 2013 07:33 WaveofShadow wrote: I agree iamp but it's the fact that he was the only other person who understood my thought process, which (to me at least) is obviously coming from a town place. These are the kind of things by which great town reads are born. I prefer them to "oh oats is always so scummy and useless that I have to hold his hand every game or he will get mislynched." | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 08 2013 07:36 marvellosity wrote: Purely on activity you should be reading me as pretty damn likely town, then  you don't have to answer this. But I will respond with Z-Boson lovefest game anyway. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 08 2013 07:36 marvellosity wrote: I suppose you'd rather I let him get mislynched then? Yep and then maybe he would learn the most important part of playing town. To establish your townieness and foster a pro-town environment. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
| ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 08 2013 07:40 marvellosity wrote: You mean by FAR my most active game of mafia ever, where I only had just over 5 pages of filter at the end of Day 1, and I have 10 here? Cool story bro. this is about double the length of a standard day one. Oh. Look at that. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 08 2013 07:42 marvellosity wrote: I don't know how you read 22 hours longer as double the length, plus there are 4 less players. Your heuristic is shit. You call activity a tried and true metric, but if you're going by activity alone I'm monumentally likely to be town. Whatever, this isn't about you right now. We need to lynch someone and it won't be you. If you agree with the activity metric you should lynch axlegreaser who you KNOW posts a shit ton and is a hell of a lot townier than this normally. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 08 2013 07:45 marvellosity wrote: It's not even whether I agree or disagree with the activity metric, it's about the fact that you apparently place great stock in it, but want to completely ignore it when it comes to me. I don't understand this hypocrisy. Did you not read the part that this is a last resort? Also if the activity metric applied least to anyone it would be you. It applies most to newer scum players. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 08 2013 07:49 marvellosity wrote: Where do I keep claiming I'm good at this game? I said I'm wrong less than DP and that's about all I can remember. Can you provide examples please, Ace? That is like the least important part of the entire post. Just lynch axle please. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 08 2013 07:55 marvellosity wrote: Also how the fuck is talking about the reads of the leading lynch candidate not important? I don't see how whether you actually stated you were good at this game or just implied it is important. You certainly implied it by calling others terrible, even people who actually are not terrible. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 08 2013 08:01 Ace wrote: of course. I don't see why not. @DP: Is the case on Axle boiling down to we need to lynch anybody, and he isn't here? That's the vibe I'm getting from skimming. Pretty Much. We need to lynch somebody and he is known to post a heap as town and generally interact more with the thread, which he hasn't this game. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 08 2013 08:05 Ace wrote: gah a meta lynch? why would you do this to me you know I loathe this :/ It could be possible he just isn't around No, it isn't possible he just isn't around as he explicitly stated not that long ago that he had made room for this game to the extent of altering his sleeping patterns to overlap with the US and Europe more. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
| ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 08 2013 08:57 marvellosity wrote: Lynch Ace and I promise if he flips town you can lynch me tomorrow no questions asked. I literally will not fight it. How does that sound? that sounds fucking awful. Stop being bad. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 08 2013 08:56 WaveofShadow wrote: Hey, then prplhz, WHY DON'T YOU CHANGE YOUR VOTE You still haven't consolidated despite claiming to be willing to do so. You should consolidate before you tell other people to :/ | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 08 2013 09:00 marvellosity wrote: he has consolidated, he's voting for the best candidate. He is not. And he isn't voting for the most likely candidate to be lynched. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
We are lynching lurker axle. Please consolidate your votes accordingly. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
| ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
| ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 08 2013 09:11 sciberbia wrote: <3<3<3 high-five DP! I love how I was just like meh I'd prefer Axle and an hour later he is lynched lol. Feels so good. <3 | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 08 2013 09:22 sciberbia wrote: Personally I hope it's not until the 8PM EDT deadline because I need a well-deserved break :D Hey. You are pretty much guaranteed town. Not that I thought you were scum. But it should help with those other idiots. *Hugs* | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 08 2013 09:35 Palmar wrote: oh I see marv has the same idea as I have. I would agree. But marv would know that also. #WIFOM | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 08 2013 09:38 marvellosity wrote: I just thought Ace was by far the better lynch. Obviously one mafia is one mafia, but meh. In fact you stated axle was probably town correct? | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
| ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
LOL. That's what YOU say. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 08 2013 09:48 Palmar wrote: and yeah 87% is pretty close to 90% which is high, so it's pretty high. and also a completely arbitrary number pulled out of his arse 0_o | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
| ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 08 2013 09:55 marvellosity wrote: I presume you're talking about your hairstyle. Yeah, i saw your skype pic. What do you have to say now? I would say that is fine. I had dreadlocks for like 7 years so short hair is new to me. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
| ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 08 2013 10:38 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh yeah that's right, I could theoretically be LR or a Miller or something. Not that it matters. LoL wtf? | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 08 2013 14:13 Oatsmaster wrote: I CAN ONLY MAKE 1 POST. That was a really weird switch.. Feels like the Hapa GF one which was hilarious Although lotta(2) confirmed townies and 1 dead scum. So good switch. I dont see how this exonerates Ace(sheepy). DP, against many many objections you feel like pushing your read on me, That actually makes me feel better about you. But damn dude LISTEN.!! see yall soon Who exactly do you think are confirmed townies after this? There are several people who are very likely to be town after this, but noone is confirmed town. Also if you think I am still even remotely likely to be mafia you are an idiot. So I don't really care what you feel about me. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 08 2013 20:08 Oatsmaster wrote: Whoever marv said is confirmed townies are confirmed townies. Namely the dude who started the switch on to Axle and another dude I cant be arsed to look at cause im lazy. By confirmed I mean that we dont lynch them until there is no one else. Is it that hard to understand my usage? Sheep marv DP. So my attitude towards you doesnt affect your read on me DP. Sounds like an interesting way to do things. So. I am confirmed town as the guy who started the switch onto axle? along with sciberbia correct? except that is not what marv said at all. I suggest if you are going to sheep something you at least try to read what it is exactly. I am not going to sheep marv. Not sheeping marv caused me to push a wagon on a scum, whose posts marv liked, day one. I feel pretty good about not sheeping marv actually. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 08 2013 20:50 Oatsmaster wrote: Good point. I had like 20 minutes, a ton of pages. I should think before I post. Now with your confirmed town status, who do you want to push? That is not a discussion for night time. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 08 2013 20:53 marvellosity wrote: Just because you pushed mafia doesn't mean I wasn't pushing mafia, remember that. No but I pushed a mafia that wouldn't have pushed if I had blindly sheeped you, and I still think ace is town. I am more than capable of catching mafia on my own. SO I have no idea why in the fuck oats would tell me to sheep you. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 08 2013 21:15 Oatsmaster wrote: What the fuck DP. Then we just sit on our asses and twiddle our thumbs while waiting for dawn? How is discussing scumreads BAD at night? because i don't want to give scum the lay of the land so they can make an optimal night kill. It isn't hard to understand. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
I think Ace is town. And I am not so sure of oats still. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 08 2013 21:37 marvellosity wrote: It is hard to understand, because it's really silly. Mafia have an abundance of decent targets to shoot at, and stunting discussion for 24 hours for some mythical night-hit reason doesn't make sense. Like we don't have nigh infinite length days...... | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 08 2013 23:25 marvellosity wrote: Obviously scum care much less about arriving at a good lynch than town, I don't even understand how you're asking me that :/ If you really want to go into it, the Ace-being-mafia theory supports what I'm saying about Tunkeg, because Tunkeg's alternative for consolidation at the time he left the thread was....... Ace. Probably best to go "oh no, my lynch has failed, woe is me!" and bugger off, ya? Do you actually believe ace wouldn't tell him to bus at that point? | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
If he was avoiding the lynch then that would be an even better time to be bussed. When you don't get lynched. 0_o | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 08 2013 23:33 marvellosity wrote: Obviously the chances of Ace being lynched go up markedly with each person who votes for him. Don't be silly. It's not silly. That is just good scum play. I doubt that a good scum player like ace would let his buddy do something so scummy as that. Also quit with the pre flip associations. It's bad. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
| ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
| ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 08 2013 23:36 marvellosity wrote: rayn asked me a specific question relating to the likely alignments of Tunkeg and Ace in connection with each other. So yes I'll talk about it when I'm asked about it. It's terrible scumplay because if Tunkeg votes for Ace then the chances Ace gets lynched go up quite a lot, and obviously an Ace-mafia doesn't want to get lynched. What you're talking about is retarded-bus-your-partner-for-no-reason scumplay. Heh, maybe it is just me that does shit like that then. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
I'd like to see ace make some cases against whoever he thinks may be mafia. There is certainly no rush we have plenty of time. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 09 2013 21:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: How long is Ace's couple of hours? A long time it seems. ##Vote: Ace. Saying you will come back and do things and not doing them is a pet peeve of mine. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 09 2013 22:09 iamperfection wrote: yes the power is mine ace didn't bother to come back after the game and i even told him how it would end he can die ## Vote Ace well I wasn't hoping for that. I was hoping for some discussion. Damn. Oh well either we lynch scum or marv was wrong. Win, Win?  | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
| ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
| ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
But we all need to take a really good look at the game with a fresh perspective. Ignore whatever marv was talking about as he was obviously completely and utterly off track. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 09 2013 22:26 Palmar wrote: I'm fine with lynching oats on the presumption that marv is bad at mafia. We aren't doing things hastily anymore. We are going to drag out the days, discuss and analyse. No more retarded lynches like that. But yes. Marv was bad. And oats is scummy to me. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 09 2013 22:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: I would like you to explain this. Also why did Axle not hammer WoS? Afaik he was here when WoS was @ L-1. Pretty sure axle was asleep at that point. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
Town Sciberbia Darthpunk Looking pretty good Palmar Perfection Rest null or worse. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
| ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
| ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
| ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
| ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
But I am going to read some filters and decide who i like better for the lynch. I need to read oats last scum game also. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 11 2013 03:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: If someone is here talk to me. What do you think of marv's meta read of oats. Marv was town and has been correct almost always. Have you read past oats games. Can you give your opinion on that meat read? | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
| ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 11 2013 03:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: Probably WoS, but i'm still waiting on his/prplhz' answers to my questions. WoS last post where he declared "anyone who thinks i'm scum is silly / scum" seemed genuine and i'm not sure if Tunkeg / Axle had pushed his on D1 the way they did if he was scum with them. prplhz looks worse than before for not taking a clear stance on me/oats/palmar and for waiting for "confirmed" people to talk before saying anything for realz. Interesting. Well I am going to sleep as it is far past my bedtime. I shall endeavour to catch some scum tomorrow. Thanks for your input. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
Don't think marv can call me bad anymore either. LOL. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
| ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 11 2013 10:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: DP: im interested to know what was your conclusion in your chat with me? That you were town. Which was kind of important for me to know as you were one of the question marks in the game before you started appearing crazy townie. Oats was screwed when all the potential scum started looking town. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
| ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
| ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 11 2013 16:14 Oatsmaster wrote: yup. Both of us were sleeping/out. That was probably the tipping point. Marv dying just screwed us over more. Lightning rod should never be ever used again Dandel. It basically takes out the choice in NK day 1 for scum which wouldve been somewhat vital this game. Nah lightning rod was balanced. Anyone who didn't read the OP (surprisingly many players) could have killed it with their vig shot. As a power role it is only mildly useful for town IMO. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 11 2013 16:14 Oatsmaster wrote: yup. Both of us were sleeping/out. That was probably the tipping point. Marv dying just screwed us over more. Lightning rod should never be ever used again Dandel. It basically takes out the choice in NK day 1 for scum which wouldve been somewhat vital this game. It's kind of funny that you and marv were yelling at me/calling me stupid so much for calling you scum day one. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 11 2013 18:59 sciberbia wrote: You should consider yourself lucky DP; calling oats scum nearly got me lynched. Don't let mean old marv get you down That is true lol. I couldn't believe people wanted to lynch you. :O | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 11 2013 20:07 Oatsmaster wrote: You mean Palmar/Ace/Marv/Sci town? yeah. balanced. I think this game proved how little stock to put in ideas like that. Marv was dancing to scums tune and you almost mislynched sciberbia. Look how much foolishness and Ver did in Personality 2. I am happy that Dandel Doesn't balance around vets. It's a retarded idea. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 11 2013 20:53 Oatsmaster wrote: The thing is, games arent like that. No one ever gets lynched for 'BALANCE REASONS THIS GUY IS SCUM'. There is always the main element of analyzing filters and shit like that. That actually happens all the time. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 11 2013 21:01 marvellosity wrote: Just a terrible argument all round really. Extreme example: you put 6 chess grandmasters against 6 amateurs. Chess is a game of complete information, so as long as each team has 3 whites and 3 blacks, the match is completely balanced. But of course it isn't, because experience and ability plays a large factor, and the grandmasters will win every time. Much the same in this particular setup; I bet if you ran a simulation of this game 100 times, this town team would at least 80% of the time. Town ran over mafia despite Palmar and I pushing 2 wrong lynches day 1 and despite the fact i was hard defending a mafia. Almost things couldn't have gone worse for town this game and yet it was still totally one-sided. I'm sure this game was "fun" for town with its totally RNG element, but realistically mafia didn't really have a chance. It's a simple fact that mafia teams need people with thread impact. Essentially you are saying town won because all the good players were town and thus town played well? The argument is should we arrange teams to balance skill or not. I don't think so. Who is good is such a subjective thing in itself and IMO the whole concept detracts from the game in that not ANYONE could be scum because "lol vet blalance" | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 11 2013 21:03 Oatsmaster wrote: No. People say that, but no one ever gets lynched off that only. But people look a damn sight harder at those people than they should. It's a clue and it is unnecessary. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 11 2013 21:47 Tunkeg wrote: If a host think I am so bad compared to the rest that I need a vet babysitter I'd rather have him tell me to piss off out of his game. LMAO <3 | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
If people want to win more try harder and play better. I don't know how many times I have said this to newbies but if you post more as scum you are harder to catch and look townier. For instance. Oats posted rubbish spammy shit for most of the game. His cases were poor and yet he blended in rather well. Both axle and tunkeg had by far the shortest filters in the game and IMO if they had simple posted bad cases and pushed bad cases and spammed more they would have been far less likely to be caught. I think Scum could have won if Axle had posted as much as I have seen him post in his town games for instance, and without his lynch scum would have been in a pretty good spot. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 11 2013 23:55 wherebugsgo wrote: The only players you can consider for balancing purposes are vets, because they are the only ones with enough games for it to matter. The problem is that there are only a handful of them every game, so if you know a host balances teams, then simply by lynching into the vets your chances of hitting scum increase drastically. marv's argument about how the teams could have been balanced by a host even by letting Ace/marv/Palmar be on town is laughable, given that there's almost no way to reliably differentiate the scum play of the remaining 9 players in this game (no offense to you all). Not only that, but the town arguably might benefit anyway from one of the (now scum) players being moved to town instead. Yeah I don't buy that argument. I am not in favor of 'balanced' set ups but I think that you can have a basic idea of who is more likely to play better as scum. Town not so much. But some players just don't try as hard as scum I think, and it is really obvious. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 12 2013 00:10 marvellosity wrote: Just as a general point, it's more the idea that ace/marv/palmar can organise/direct a mafia team well, and can exert significant thread influence for the benefit of mafia. So could a whole bunch of non vets in this game. I still don't see the point. You know something I have noticed though is that 'town leaders' from newbie games really quiet down in the transition to normals, I think a lot of that has to do with all the vet nonsense and thus they are less likely to contribute or take charge as they have in newbies. I quite like the idea of different players taking charge, or at least having the chance to take charge of a scum team. Having 'good scum players' in every scum team would become stagnant and deprives newer players that opportunity to grow and shine. Even if they don't succeed the opportunity is important. Case in point. Look at oats in this game fucking take charge in the scum QT and improve DRASTICALLY from his last scum game. He rose to the occasion and even if he lost that still has a heap of value. Furthermore, Who doesn't love a good comeback? or the tale of an underdog overcoming the odds and succeeding? I think there are a lot of intangibles to consider that are more important than some easy wins every now and then. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 12 2013 00:20 wherebugsgo wrote: so you're saying for sure at least one player outside of those 3 is definitely better than someone who was actually on the scumteam, and thus you could have balanced the team better? I doubt that, particularly as it would also result in one of those players being shifted over to town (where they almost CERTAINLY would have contributed more) Yep. Perfection and Myself. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
| ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 12 2013 00:26 Promethelax wrote: and Sciberbia, even though it totally wasn't balance reasons I caught him on in YAN Wouldn't know. Never seen him play scum. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 12 2013 00:32 marvellosity wrote: You can make a decent stab at it. If I were told before the game as an observer who the mafia team were, I'd have fairly confidently told you they wouldn't be very successful at pushing their agenda over the course of the game... You can't deny that Oats rose to the occasion though and played a really solid scum game. I mean. You were dancing to his tune. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 12 2013 00:36 marvellosity wrote: Me reading him as town in the first cycle isn't dancing to his tune. He never convinced me of anything I wouldn't have believed otherwise in relation to everyone else, which is what that is. If you hard defend scum and then defend another scum in order to form a wagon on town with the first scum then he is doing a pretty good job IMO. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 12 2013 00:39 marvellosity wrote: ? what oats did was irrelevant to me pushing Ace. what are you on about? I'm just teasing. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 12 2013 00:41 marvellosity wrote: ^^ So what's your overall record now, DP? 12-2 or something. Maybe 13-2 | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
| ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 12 2013 00:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: DP have you ever been lynched in a game? Yeah. Twice. The first time was my first newbie. The second time it was marvs fault but Bugs yelled at him a lot and pm'd me apologising for letting me get lynched. So that made me feel better. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
| ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 12 2013 00:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: DP have you ever been lynched in a game? OH and I have never been lynched outside of a game. :D | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 12 2013 01:00 marvellosity wrote: I just like lynching people, what can I say :< what game did I lynch you in? Paranoia. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 12 2013 01:04 marvellosity wrote: Oh, well then. I was under retarded pressure all day, my pushes in those situations are always diabolical. Collateral damage babe <3 P.S your jokes were different OMG SO MAD RIGHT NOW + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/oKMNaYl.jpg) | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 12 2013 01:13 marvellosity wrote: Bears a remarkable resemblance to you, oddly. Funny. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 12 2013 01:47 iamperfection wrote: I'm 3 and 1 as scum and I blame my teammate for the 1 Blame marv. New rule. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
HAHAHAHAHA good one. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 12 2013 02:04 WaveofShadow wrote: Yes but the point I'm making is, there is no REAL mathematical way of estimating skill like this. Any numbers you come up with or what a win or loss does to this arbitrary number is still just that, arbitrary. As a player plays more and more games in a team setting, elo becomes more accurate supposedly, but with a sample size like TL Mafia, there is absolutely no way a skill rating like elo would come close to being an accurate representation. There are WAY too many mitigating factors such as the hosts, style of game (mini/normal/themed/whatever), roles available, who is playing in said game, etc. Theoretically this would matter less if people could play hundreds of games but that doesn't happen here. Yeah. No one is saying this is correct at all. | ||
|
DarthPunk
Australia10853 Posts
On April 12 2013 02:59 iamperfection wrote: its almost like a game is still going on. | ||
| ||
