Ego Mini Mafia

On April 04 2013 10:28 prplhz wrote:
wouldn't be ego mafia without ace

On April 05 2013 09:08 marvellosity wrote:


Are you stupid? We should kill Ace. If he's mafia he's scary, if he's town he's a liability.

##Vote: Ace

On April 05 2013 10:49 iamperfection wrote:
ace you make these useless posts and are totally disconnected from the goings on of the thread but you bother to post useless crap

that is scummy.

On April 06 2013 00:41 Tunkeg wrote:
So back from work and ready to play. Damn these games get alot of pages quick.

I have read through the thread once and this is how I see things:

"Lynch Ace" have been the only real discussion in game thus far. Of course we don't lynch Ace from being abit inactive in the start of day one. And while iamp is clearly overdoing his push towards Ace, I feel like he is doing it in a towny way, he is doing it to apply pressure. His case is shit, the pressure will probably be naught to Ace, but I feel his intentions are right. The rest of the votes on Ace are obvious joke votes, except WoS vote, which concerns me abit. He is just sheeping marv and giving a horrible reason for wanting to lynch him. I see more scum motive for the way WoS have handled Ace than what iamp have done.

raynpelikoneet is the one liner king of this game. I hate how he have played all the way up until his last post before leaving (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=13#254). If he hadn't posted that last one, I would have seen his play as scummy.

Besides this there isn't a whole lot to comment on. There is a bunch of players who haven't contributed much (myself included) who need to get in to the game and start playing.

On April 06 2013 02:13 sciberbia wrote:
Any thoughts on what I said about Oats? Agree/disagree with my points? Do you guys think he is scum?

On April 06 2013 02:15 Oatsmaster wrote:
Dumdumdum.

I skimmed the game.

nothing stood out other than Rayns bullshit.

Palmar asked me specifically to look at Sci and Iamp

So I did
And with the absence of Rayn(so important) I saw scummy behavior in your posting.

And weird shit with Iamp.
Maybe with Hapa, his babysitter, he gets a bit cranky

Oh man im not posting 'original content' SURE SIGN OF SCUM RIGHT SCI?

On April 06 2013 02:45 iamperfection wrote:
What do you think of me ace?

On April 06 2013 02:49 Oatsmaster wrote:

Possibly, especially with his voting.

But I dont think so in this situation.

Sciberia IS BLINDING YOU..

Also push someone or you are scum

On April 07 2013 05:17 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ace can you tell me something?
ok sure
Why are you not pushing a lynch?
because there are several being pushed already. Unlike you I dont clutter the thread with my thoughts everywhere and mass finger pointing. I actually want the Town to solve problems, not create them. Too many wagons and trains of thought leads to no lynches and stagnation of said wagons.

Why did you lay a vote on me and MOVE ALONG?
Sorry, what do you want from me? Honest question
Why is there no reasoning behind any of your reads?
I only give a few reads and of those I've given reasons, they just aren't massive blocks of text .

On April 07 2013 07:18 Palmar wrote:
@Ace just to clarify, by distraction you mean scum right? Or do you simply want to lynch Oats for being an asshole?

On April 07 2013 08:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Why is WoS a better lynch than sci?

On April 07 2013 08:39 iamperfection wrote:
it pretty clear that wos didn't claim anything ace

On April 07 2013 08:41 Palmar wrote:
I don't know how you approach a situation Ace, but I generally assume most players are somewhat naive and straightforward until I know better, as I explained earlier, it requires some basic thread comprehension skills to pull what WoS pulled when under heavy pressure. He may be getting advice from someone of course, or he may just be a better player than expected, but for now I think the simple explanation is that WoS isn't scum and his reaction was genuine.

So yes, it makes absolute sense to unvote WoS given the information I have.

On April 07 2013 08:48 marvellosity wrote:




WoS never claimed, you never had your vote on him, you didn't think he should be lynched at any point.

Stop making shit up, Ace.

On April 07 2013 08:49 iamperfection wrote:

wat

On April 07 2013 05:12 WaveofShadow wrote:

Claim what? I already did.

On April 07 2013 09:31 DarthPunk wrote:
I find the wagon on sciberbia really weird. And once again marv provides his filter as justification.

On April 07 2013 09:42 marvellosity wrote:
Saying there is "no way" sciberbia should be up for the lynch and "scum could be hiding in this silliness" does not equate to him being a decent lynch, which you just implied.

"silliness" != 3rd best lynch.

On April 07 2013 09:48 DarthPunk wrote:


Marv what exactly have you said to make sciberbia scum aside from associations with someone you just unvoted?








Seems like you are trying to make an association case before the flip and the association is now with someone you are unwilling to lynch. So when you say to look in your filter for the reason behind your sciberbia vote with ZERO justification and all I find is the above quotes. I don't know What the fuck you are talking about.

On April 07 2013 10:17 prplhz wrote:
i don't see the part where WoS acted in some way that he wouldn't get lynched, he wrote a few small posts and then he just left the thread. that's not really fighting for your life or anything that i think most people usually do. it seems much more collected.

On April 08 2013 02:06 iamperfection wrote:
I am an expert on marv so this stuff im about to say carries a lot of weight. I have been wrong about marv once and that was an extremely long time ago in my 1st non newbie game. So i know what im talking about

Early on marv was being somwhat passive but he has picked it up greatly since. He has pured his thoughts into the thread and you can see thoughts develop and change.

Now i don't put a lot of stock in scum slips but i do put stock in town slips. The following sequence i believe shows that marv is actively thinking about the game and is therefore town



in between these two posts almost nothing is posted in the thread




So whats going on here? It appears to me that marv went back and changed his mind to sheep palmar just by reading filters. He would have no incentive to do this as scum and when you combine this with his overall activity and contributions it points to a town marv.

On April 08 2013 02:12 iamperfection wrote:
marv is not getting lynched ace

On April 08 2013 02:15 iamperfection wrote:

mainly due to the fact you wont get enough votes

On April 08 2013 02:22 Palmar wrote:
Let's just lynch reyn for being a dick

On April 08 2013 02:39 WaveofShadow wrote:

Yeah, no.
I wasn't confused. No (blue) role to claim means I claimed already.
I'm not lynching marv today.

On April 08 2013 02:50 prplhz wrote:

can you please explain why this is in any way interesting

On April 08 2013 07:26 marvellosity wrote:


Just give me some good reasons why I'm mafia, I'd like that much more.

On April 08 2013 07:26 WaveofShadow wrote:
Alright Ace, can you address my post?

On April 08 2013 07:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Can you point out who do you want to lynch and why?
If it's still Oats can you point out why "being a distraction" is good enough reason to lynch someone? Why not lynch mafia instead?
Why did you say sciberbia was a really bad lynch at the time he was getting votes and right after you say "he is 3rd lynch condidate today"?

On April 08 2013 07:49 marvellosity wrote:
Where do I keep claiming I'm good at this game?

I said I'm wrong less than DP and that's about all I can remember.

Can you provide examples please, Ace?

On April 08 2013 07:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Ace:
Do you think it's possible both marv and Palmar are scum?

On April 08 2013 08:03 DarthPunk wrote:

Pretty Much.
We need to lynch somebody and he is known to post a heap as town and generally interact more with the thread, which he hasn't this game.

Of course I knew you were referring to a roleclaim but I assumed the fact that I told you I did which would direct attention to my first post, without adding any extra info that would make VT the appropriate assumption; we've been over this though, unfair assumption on my part I guess, but you assume I just don't know what you're talking about at all. And as to the bolded, I have never seen scum make that kind of a slip; define 'all the time,' please. It seems you're living in a fictional mafia world where every player is terrible.

On April 08 2013 08:14 marvellosity wrote:
No, it means I think I'm better than everyone else :D (literally couldn't help it)

On April 08 2013 11:35 iamperfection wrote:

we have been having scum buddies shoot each other recently so we cant rule anything completely out.

On April 08 2013 11:36 prplhz wrote:
bah axle was 100% getting lynched at that point.

On April 09 2013 09:46 iamperfection wrote:

marv says you are scum

On April 09 2013 09:49 iamperfection wrote:

and marv flipped town

On April 09 2013 09:54 prplhz wrote:
@ace i don't remember you answering my questions satisfactory, not even remotely. i remember you trying to brush me aside and talking nonsense. like this right now, how on earth could you believe that i had a town read on you or that i considered any of your answers sufficient? did you even skim the thread?

why is town palmar pretending?

On April 09 2013 10:04 sciberbia wrote:
@Ace
I think the case on you is mostly process of elimination.

If you are town, then all 7 people on the Axle wagon are very likely town, correct?

So let's look at the people not on the Axle wagon.
marv, Axle, tunkeg, and Oats, and you

marv flipped town.
Axle flipped scum.

Oats seems very likely town IMO.
So for you to be town, tunkeg would pretty much have to be scum. And who else?

Who is scum if not you?

I dunno. Everything is really pointing hard towards at least 1 of Ace + tunkeg being scum if not both.

On April 09 2013 10:08 prplhz wrote:
i'm done with ace he's being completely ridiculous. not reading the thread and asking some guy he is calling thrid party to prove that he doesn't think the answers ace provided were satisfactory. i don't think ace even read the thread since he's acting all surprised at how i'm voting him now even though i was voting him yesterday too.

iamp why aren't you voting ace?

On April 09 2013 09:54 prplhz wrote:
@ace i don't remember you answering my questions satisfactory, not even remotely. i remember you trying to brush me aside and talking nonsense.like this right now, how on earth could you believe that i had a town read on you or that i considered any of your answers sufficient? did you even skim the thread?

why is town palmar pretending?

On April 09 2013 10:19 prplhz wrote:

thanks man

there's your proof.

now why on earth do you want me to prove this? this isn't a hard question.

On April 11 2013 09:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
not my fault. blame the "confirmed townies" :D

the only thing that made me vote you as the day started was because i thought marv was lyncher and when he flipped town i was like "well, maybe he is right, let's put some pressure on Ace". Then all the guys hammered you cos you said you'd be back in 2hours and went MIA for ~12.

On April 11 2013 09:05 prplhz wrote:
6 votes on you all of them town and you blame me lol

oh well that doesn't actually bother me

On April 11 2013 09:07 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh yeah, can I have an answer as to exactly what is bad about this post?

On April 11 2013 21:16 wherebugsgo wrote:
there's no proper measure of skill in this game, so the chess analogy fails horribly.

Handpicking teams results in a lot of bias. It's just inherent. Based on experience I roll scum way more often when I don't request an alignment. Out of the times recently I haven't requested an alignment, I've rolled nontown 4 out of 5 times. I don't think that's coincidence.

and YES, people HAVE been lynched on balance reasons. Almost solely sometimes, in fact. It hasn't happened recently but there are a myriad of reasons that can explain that.

On April 11 2013 22:40 marvellosity wrote:


Surprising that, isn't it.

My belief is that a team I view as pretty one-sided would destroy the other team, the result supports my beliefs... yeah. Seems pretty reasonable to me.

This game IS the alternate situation, and this game shows how the alternate situation pans out.

On April 12 2013 00:18 DarthPunk wrote:


So could a whole bunch of non vets in this game. I still don't see the point.

You know something I have noticed though is that 'town leaders' from newbie games really quiet down in the transition to normals, I think a lot of that has to do with all the vet nonsense and thus they are less likely to contribute or take charge as they have in newbies. I quite like the idea of different players taking charge, or at least having the chance to take charge of a scum team.

Having 'good scum players' in every scum team would become stagnant and deprives newer players that opportunity to grow and shine. Even if they don't succeed the opportunity is important.

Case in point. Look at oats in this game fucking take charge in the scum QT and improve DRASTICALLY from his last scum game. He rose to the occasion and even if he lost that still has a heap of value.

Furthermore, Who doesn't love a good comeback? or the tale of an underdog overcoming the odds and succeeding? I think there are a lot of intangibles to consider that are more important than some easy wins every now and then.

On April 12 2013 02:08 WaveofShadow wrote:
I think the only thing I didn't get about the hammer was this: (as it was my first Instant Majority Lynch game)