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On April 04 2013 10:28 prplhz wrote: wouldn't be ego mafia without ace pretty much the reason I signed up | ||
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On April 05 2013 09:08 marvellosity wrote: Are you stupid? We should kill Ace. If he's mafia he's scary, if he's town he's a liability. ##Vote: Ace 10,000 | ||
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On April 05 2013 10:49 iamperfection wrote: ace you make these useless posts and are totally disconnected from the goings on of the thread but you bother to post useless crap that is scummy. and? | ||
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On April 06 2013 00:41 Tunkeg wrote: So back from work and ready to play. Damn these games get alot of pages quick. I have read through the thread once and this is how I see things: "Lynch Ace" have been the only real discussion in game thus far. Of course we don't lynch Ace from being abit inactive in the start of day one. And while iamp is clearly overdoing his push towards Ace, I feel like he is doing it in a towny way, he is doing it to apply pressure. His case is shit, the pressure will probably be naught to Ace, but I feel his intentions are right. The rest of the votes on Ace are obvious joke votes, except WoS vote, which concerns me abit. He is just sheeping marv and giving a horrible reason for wanting to lynch him. I see more scum motive for the way WoS have handled Ace than what iamp have done. raynpelikoneet is the one liner king of this game. I hate how he have played all the way up until his last post before leaving (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168¤tpage=13#254). If he hadn't posted that last one, I would have seen his play as scummy. Besides this there isn't a whole lot to comment on. There is a bunch of players who haven't contributed much (myself included) who need to get in to the game and start playing. I came to the same conclusions except rayne isnt scummy yet in my book. btw im waiting on a new laptop charger to be delivered . typing on TL thru a ps3 isnt good for this game. | ||
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On April 06 2013 02:13 sciberbia wrote: Any thoughts on what I said about Oats? Agree/disagree with my points? Do you guys think he is scum? right before i got to your post i felt he was putting words in ppls mouths and seeing things that are not there . | ||
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On April 06 2013 02:15 Oatsmaster wrote: Dumdumdum. I skimmed the game. nothing stood out other than Rayns bullshit. Palmar asked me specifically to look at Sci and Iamp So I did And with the absence of Rayn(so important) I saw scummy behavior in your posting. And weird shit with Iamp. Maybe with Hapa, his babysitter, he gets a bit cranky Oh man im not posting 'original content' SURE SIGN OF SCUM RIGHT SCI? do you think Palmar asking you to do that for those two specifically might have given you predetermined bias? | ||
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On April 06 2013 02:45 iamperfection wrote: What do you think of me ace? doesn't really matter right now | ||
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On April 06 2013 02:49 Oatsmaster wrote: Possibly, especially with his voting. But I dont think so in this situation. Sciberia IS BLINDING YOU.. Also push someone or you are scum I don't know if you're trolling but be serious. the random bullshit part of the day is over. | ||
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But I do feel as though his posts are more of the variety of just posting just to post to look active. After IMPs endless ranting abou activity and me not looking like I'm scumhunting Oats' fingerpointing binge began. | ||
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But him saying people shouldn't be allowing me to do "nothing" because I've got a rep resonated with me. I love when players say that so I kinda want to keep him around for that. | ||
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WoS since you're at L-2 right now don't hesitate to claim when the next person votes.I'm not gonna hammer you unless that situation resolves itself. For now tho: ##vote: Oatsmaster | ||
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Where is the claim? | ||
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On April 07 2013 05:17 Oatsmaster wrote: Ace can you tell me something? ok sure Why are you not pushing a lynch? because there are several being pushed already. Unlike you I dont clutter the thread with my thoughts everywhere and mass finger pointing. I actually want the Town to solve problems, not create them. Too many wagons and trains of thought leads to no lynches and stagnation of said wagons. Why did you lay a vote on me and MOVE ALONG? Sorry, what do you want from me? Honest question Why is there no reasoning behind any of your reads? I only give a few reads and of those I've given reasons, they just aren't massive blocks of text . | ||
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Wos where did you claim? | ||
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On April 07 2013 07:18 Palmar wrote: @Ace just to clarify, by distraction you mean scum right? Or do you simply want to lynch Oats for being an asshole? both. I honestly think he will lessen the Town's chances of winning if kept around so he's Scum at best and Town at worst. In light of no better suspects imo outside of WoS (waiting to show me his claim) he is the best option. | ||
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We've already pointed out WoS's day 1 behavior with his vote on me that he really didn't support even though it was when marv joke voted for me. Sciberbia summed it up pretty well, which is actually the reason a lynch on him doesn't make sense. He's actually moving the thread forward and trying to figure shit out (or putting up a great act in doing so). Unless I can see some rock solid analysis on him which currently doesn't exist I'm not hopping on that wagon. | ||
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On April 07 2013 08:39 iamperfection wrote: it pretty clear that wos didn't claim anything ace shhhh.... | ||
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On April 07 2013 08:41 Palmar wrote: I don't know how you approach a situation Ace, but I generally assume most players are somewhat naive and straightforward until I know better, as I explained earlier, it requires some basic thread comprehension skills to pull what WoS pulled when under heavy pressure. He may be getting advice from someone of course, or he may just be a better player than expected, but for now I think the simple explanation is that WoS isn't scum and his reaction was genuine. So yes, it makes absolute sense to unvote WoS given the information I have. I also believe it's possible it really was a genuine reaction. Which is why I unvoted him and asked him that question to confirm my reasoning. However, where does the sciberbia vote come from? Can you explain that? If you believe that WoS is playing straightforward, then based on the information you have - why isn't sciberbia being afforded the same courtesy? Nothing in his play so far seem out of the ordinary so what stands out to you that warrants a vote? | ||
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On April 07 2013 08:48 marvellosity wrote: WoS never claimed, you never had your vote on him, you didn't think he should be lynched at any point. Stop making shit up, Ace. herp derp so if WoS never claimed, and you know this why are you voting for sciberbia when you know someone else lied? | ||
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Marv quoted my post knowing I asked WoS to claim. Clearly he's been reading the thread and knows WoS said he did actually claim already. Hence, when Marv says "WoS never claimed" he knows WoS was lying. | ||
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@marv: What else could "I already did" refer to? If I'm looking at this wrong then honestly, show me a different interpretation. @iamp: If he didn't have anything to claim then why would he say he already did? | ||
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@marv: What is the case on sciberbia? Looks like Palmar is just moving votes and you sheeped him. | ||
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On April 07 2013 09:31 DarthPunk wrote: I find the wagon on sciberbia really weird. And once again marv provides his filter as justification. outside of this WoS stuff and Oats he's actually the best lynch. | ||
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On April 07 2013 09:42 marvellosity wrote: Saying there is "no way" sciberbia should be up for the lynch and "scum could be hiding in this silliness" does not equate to him being a decent lynch, which you just implied. "silliness" != 3rd best lynch. what? are you serious? How in the world did I just imply sciberbia is a decent lynch? Those quotes don't even have any relation to me saying you are the 3rd best lynch option. | ||
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Hence, he would be scum. Why are you ignoring his play even though you said you told him pregame what to fix? | ||
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On April 07 2013 09:48 DarthPunk wrote: Marv what exactly have you said to make sciberbia scum aside from associations with someone you just unvoted? Seems like you are trying to make an association case before the flip and the association is now with someone you are unwilling to lynch. So when you say to look in your filter for the reason behind your sciberbia vote with ZERO justification and all I find is the above quotes. I don't know What the fuck you are talking about. very good analysis here. | ||
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I think DP's posts have merit and highlight suspicions I already have of marv. | ||
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On April 07 2013 10:17 prplhz wrote: i don't see the part where WoS acted in some way that he wouldn't get lynched, he wrote a few small posts and then he just left the thread. that's not really fighting for your life or anything that i think most people usually do. it seems much more collected. I don't want to misunderstand here. Are you surprised that WoS didn't get lynched? | ||
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As for the WoS situation, I think he is new or just doesn't understand what claiming before hammer means. When I asked WoS to claim I was asking for a roleclaim. He didn't. When he said "I already did" he was referring to his original post where he said he's Town - which means absolutely nothing. I'm just putting this down as a newbie mistake/misunderstanding for now as it's highly possible a Town player that doesn't play with good InstantMajority lnynch players could be confused as to what I was asking. Now that being said, the entire exchange where I didn't vote for WoS yet was because I was waiting for him to come back and show me where he roleclaimed (assuming he understood what I meant). Clearly he didn't, and I was sure he didn't - when he came back and couldn't prove it, or just dodged it then it would have been a pretty easy case of someone lying about a claim which is more likely to be from Scum than town. marvellosity is still the right lynch for today as his antagonistic behavior is still going on, and for some odd reason thinks I've been doing nothing all game when my posts come off well reasoned and logical. I'm going to re-read his recent posts with DP to see if it sways my judgment but from a quick skim it didn't. All the votes are once again split up - can we just have 2 or 3 main suspects and no new wagons formed? If we keep splitting the votes up it will be difficult to analyze anyone post flip if we even get there at this point. | ||
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On April 08 2013 02:06 iamperfection wrote: I am an expert on marv so this stuff im about to say carries a lot of weight. I have been wrong about marv once and that was an extremely long time ago in my 1st non newbie game. So i know what im talking about Early on marv was being somwhat passive but he has picked it up greatly since. He has pured his thoughts into the thread and you can see thoughts develop and change. Now i don't put a lot of stock in scum slips but i do put stock in town slips. The following sequence i believe shows that marv is actively thinking about the game and is therefore town in between these two posts almost nothing is posted in the thread So whats going on here? It appears to me that marv went back and changed his mind to sheep palmar just by reading filters. He would have no incentive to do this as scum and when you combine this with his overall activity and contributions it points to a town marv. I would do that as Scum. If you find a "better" lynch by sheeping another player in the event they get lynched blame can miss you. You can find Town players making bad posts all the time and get them lynched for it. I really think the fact that he was voting for sciberbia is a pretty bad sign as there was no solid case on him at the time. If he sheeped Palmar after "reading a few filters" then I don't think he was doing any actual reading or he just has terrible reading comprehension. If anyone can show me some good context of sciberbia's filter leading to a scum motivation I'm all for it. | ||
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On April 08 2013 02:12 iamperfection wrote: marv is not getting lynched ace why not? | ||
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On April 08 2013 02:15 iamperfection wrote: mainly due to the fact you wont get enough votes because? what's up with the defeated attitude? is the day over in 1 hour or something? come on, play with a "lets move this game forward" mentality. | ||
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On April 08 2013 02:22 Palmar wrote: Let's just lynch reyn for being a dick I don't know how close you are to being shot by a vigilante if one exists in this setup, but you're definetly pushing it. | ||
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On April 08 2013 02:39 WaveofShadow wrote: Yeah, no. I wasn't confused. No (blue) role to claim means I claimed already. I'm not lynching marv today. just claim VT in that instance in the future and make it explicit. | ||
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On April 08 2013 02:50 prplhz wrote: can you please explain why this is in any way interesting I posted this yesterday to explain my requested roleclaim of WoS. I don't see what's uninteresting about this, or why you just pulled this one post out of no where. Where are you going with this? | ||
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The marv part was me seeing marv following the same thought process I was and not seeing the potential WoS lie. Unlike WoS who I had a misunderstanding with, marv says WoS didn't claim. If he didn't claim, but he stated he did claim then there is a lie there. Marv somehow missed that. Since marv claims to be a good player I don't see how he could have missed that. Does this make sense now? and yes the shhhh post was me hoping iamp didn't spoil a potential trap But we've already moved past the claim thing. The issue is resolved. | ||
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@WoS - in The Game I got lynched 6 hours before deadline when I was asleep Also I was watching basketball so no time to read the thread. For the people voting for me, can you point out exactly what I need to respond to to convince you of my innocence? I'm not 100% sure what's going on here since I thought I made everything I did explicitly clear but I'll try again. | ||
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On April 08 2013 07:26 marvellosity wrote: Just give me some good reasons why I'm mafia, I'd like that much more. I think you're not actually here to look for Scum. Your posts reek of someone just happy to live through the day and fling shit. The blatant sheeping of Palmar who I've already said has been happy to fling shit too was just another point in that direction. In addition to the post earlier from DP, I also think you are just calling people out just to appear active. You keep claiming you're good at this game but I don't get the sense that you are actively trying to solve anything going on. I didn't think you were saved at L-2 (which is a big reason why I didn't vote). If you were going to get lynched I'd rather you claim before the hammer and have the Town debate on that and see if it's worth keeping you alive. It's normal play in majority lynch and I'm sorry if I assumed most people around would behave like that. But once again it makes no sense for me to stick a vote on you in that situation as anyone could end the day with a hammer right after. I thought I made it clear but even though I was leaning in the direction of you being Scum I wanted a bit more information and that is how the entire "where did you claim?" thing happened. The trap was just seeing if you said "I claimed" and then when I asked, ignored it or just made up a bunch of bs where you didn't really claim but implied it. Like I already said you had no idea I was referring to a roleclaim, and I had no clue you were referring to your post early in the game. As to the bolded - yes. Scum do it all the time because they don't think Townies are reading the thread On April 08 2013 07:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: Can you point out who do you want to lynch and why? If it's still Oats can you point out why "being a distraction" is good enough reason to lynch someone? Why not lynch mafia instead? Why did you say sciberbia was a really bad lynch at the time he was getting votes and right after you say "he is 3rd lynch condidate today"? I'd down for lynching marv and increasingly getting interested in a Palmar lynch. I've addressed marv up above, and Palmar has accusations all over the place. Literally just looking for an excuse to start a wagon on a whim. I don't think he's taking the game seriously. The way this day has gone, there have been several wagons all over the place with only one being serious enough to result in a lynch (WoS). Looking at the atmosphere of the thread I'd expect a player of Palmar's caliber to try and consolidate wagons and move the game forward - not start new ones. To the bolded, I was talking about marv being the 3rd lynch candidate today while saying sciberbia is a bad lynch. | ||
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On April 08 2013 07:49 marvellosity wrote: Where do I keep claiming I'm good at this game? I said I'm wrong less than DP and that's about all I can remember. Can you provide examples please, Ace? you're right marv, that's just me being silly and seeing something that isn't there. My bad. | ||
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On April 08 2013 07:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: Ace: Do you think it's possible both marv and Palmar are scum? of course. I don't see why not. @DP: Is the case on Axle boiling down to we need to lynch anybody, and he isn't here? That's the vibe I'm getting from skimming. | ||
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@prp: I'm trying to get people off my wagon and see that marv and Palmar are active but not contributing. I'm also waiting for DP's reply about the Axle wagon. | ||
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On April 08 2013 08:03 DarthPunk wrote: Pretty Much. We need to lynch somebody and he is known to post a heap as town and generally interact more with the thread, which he hasn't this game. gah a meta lynch? why would you do this to me you know I loathe this :/ It could be possible he just isn't around | ||
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Of course I knew you were referring to a roleclaim but I assumed the fact that I told you I did which would direct attention to my first post, without adding any extra info that would make VT the appropriate assumption; we've been over this though, unfair assumption on my part I guess, but you assume I just don't know what you're talking about at all. And as to the bolded, I have never seen scum make that kind of a slip; define 'all the time,' please. It seems you're living in a fictional mafia world where every player is terrible. An early game post where you post "Phew. Real happy I rolled town this time around" isn't going to be taken as a legit Town claim. Especially when you are under 0 pressure and everyone is just joking around to start the game. I think you're being unrealistic on that one. You can read any of my Mafia games and the attached QTs where I explictly talk about Townies not reading the thread, not seeing Scum lie all because we know they won't go back and look. But I don't want to go further on this as a discussion on this doesn't help the current situation in the thread right now. | ||
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On April 08 2013 08:14 marvellosity wrote: No, it means I think I'm better than everyone else :D (literally couldn't help it) | ||
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@iamp: probably not unless the doctor has sanities (naive/weak doctor or something) | ||
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On April 08 2013 11:35 iamperfection wrote: we have been having scum buddies shoot each other recently so we cant rule anything completely out. normally I'd laugh but knowing the kinds of WIFOM and meta games people around here like to play not surprised | ||
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On April 08 2013 11:36 prplhz wrote: bah axle was 100% getting lynched at that point. who else was around to hammer him? | ||
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thats nice. tell me more. | ||
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so that makes him 100% correct? lol come on even you should be smart enough to know that is shoddy reasoning. When I die and flip town should you be instalynched too if I call you Scum? @Palmar: If you actually read posts and stop pretending to you'd know why | ||
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On April 09 2013 09:54 prplhz wrote: @ace i don't remember you answering my questions satisfactory, not even remotely. i remember you trying to brush me aside and talking nonsense. like this right now, how on earth could you believe that i had a town read on you or that i considered any of your answers sufficient? did you even skim the thread? why is town palmar pretending? you're joking right? We just went through an entire day with you throwing questions at me and I answered all of them. And now they aren't satisfactory? Stop being ridiculous. REREAD the thread and show me where I didn't answer your questions. Prove it. Palmar has literally been wagon hopping and pushing anything off a whim from the moment he posted. I mean how silly is this - the night post immediately started and Palmar quick votes me followed by rayn. Clearly, you are being obtuse right now. | ||
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On April 09 2013 10:04 sciberbia wrote: @Ace I think the case on you is mostly process of elimination. If you are town, then all 7 people on the Axle wagon are very likely town, correct? So let's look at the people not on the Axle wagon. marv, Axle, tunkeg, and Oats, and you marv flipped town. Axle flipped scum. Oats seems very likely town IMO. So for you to be town, tunkeg would pretty much have to be scum. And who else? Who is scum if not you? I dunno. Everything is really pointing hard towards at least 1 of Ace + tunkeg being scum if not both. you're wrongly assuming everyone on the Wagon is town. Look at the way the lynch went down: It's Day 1 with no role information revealed. We spend 3 days arguing over who is Scum, and we push various wagons with the closest 1 being to WoS. (going to go back to this in a second). We get to the part of the day where hours remain. Remember there was no strong axle lynch yet. If you are Scum voting for axle right now still means there is time for the wagon to die. Secondly, if you are sure axle will be lynched it makes sense to jump on the wagon and get Town cred - like right now. The entire reasoning for me being Scum here falls along the lines of not voting for Axle, and that only happened because I left the forum. I even said to DP before leaving - Is this a meta case? because I don't like meta cases and wanted more proof. The lynch goes down and I show up at halftime of the basketball game and see him dead, which was an hour before deadline. So if this entire case is built on that then you can blame me for not being here. Also here is the snag in the case: If we assume everyone on the wagon is Town, then WoS has to be Town. If Wos is town and I am Scum then why would I ask him for an explanation to the entire claim scenario and withhold my vote?. I could easily have hammered him or brought him to L-1. Why would I screw around and not end the day immediately and go into night with a Town mislynch? | ||
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On April 09 2013 10:08 prplhz wrote: i'm done with ace he's being completely ridiculous. not reading the thread and asking some guy he is calling thrid party to prove that he doesn't think the answers ace provided were satisfactory. i don't think ace even read the thread since he's acting all surprised at how i'm voting him now even though i was voting him yesterday too. iamp why aren't you voting ace? Prove where I didn't answer your questions. That's all you have to do. | ||
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On April 09 2013 09:54 prplhz wrote: @ace i don't remember you answering my questions satisfactory, not even remotely. i remember you trying to brush me aside and talking nonsense.like this right now, how on earth could you believe that i had a town read on you or that i considered any of your answers sufficient? did you even skim the thread? why is town palmar pretending? this is the assertion you made. Prove it. | ||
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On April 09 2013 10:19 prplhz wrote: thanks man there's your proof. now why on earth do you want me to prove this? this isn't a hard question. | ||
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On April 11 2013 09:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: not my fault. blame the "confirmed townies" :D the only thing that made me vote you as the day started was because i thought marv was lyncher and when he flipped town i was like "well, maybe he is right, let's put some pressure on Ace". Then all the guys hammered you cos you said you'd be back in 2hours and went MIA for ~12. had to go to work yo. Funny enough watching basketball and missing the Axle hammer led to me being put in the pool with marv and 2 scum by sciberbia. shit happens :D | ||
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On April 11 2013 09:05 prplhz wrote: 6 votes on you all of them town and you blame me lol oh well that doesn't actually bother me this is Ego mafia. The post game won't stop me. | ||
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On April 11 2013 09:07 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh yeah, can I have an answer as to exactly what is bad about this post? it sounded like something Scum would say in a QT aka thinking out loud. "oh hey neat, I could always claim Miller if I get Cop'd" | ||
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On April 11 2013 21:16 wherebugsgo wrote: there's no proper measure of skill in this game, so the chess analogy fails horribly. Handpicking teams results in a lot of bias. It's just inherent. Based on experience I roll scum way more often when I don't request an alignment. Out of the times recently I haven't requested an alignment, I've rolled nontown 4 out of 5 times. I don't think that's coincidence. and YES, people HAVE been lynched on balance reasons. Almost solely sometimes, in fact. It hasn't happened recently but there are a myriad of reasons that can explain that. to add to this and sciberbia's point: this is why people have turned to smurfing. "vets" may not end up ultimately getting lynched, but it does have an affect on reads throughout the game. Knowing someone is likely to be Scum due to host balance can cause players to be read a certain way regardless of what they say in the thread. Many games I've played in have resulted in people not reading what I say because they assume I have to be Scum, leading to nonsense. I'm not the only one that this has happened to either. RNG is the best way to balance teams. If the Scum team gets rolled so be it - learning experience. | ||
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On April 11 2013 22:40 marvellosity wrote: Surprising that, isn't it. My belief is that a team I view as pretty one-sided would destroy the other team, the result supports my beliefs... yeah. Seems pretty reasonable to me. This game IS the alternate situation, and this game shows how the alternate situation pans out. But you're ignoring what actually happened. If myself or any other Townie hammers WoS on Day 1, or we let sciberbia get lynched Day 1 - both of which were close to happening this entire argument is meaningless. Looking at the end result without acknowledging how we got there and just declaring the entire scenario imbalanced is crazy . Also saying 3 newbie scum vs a team with 3 "vets" is a bit dishonest - in this game myself, you and Palmar didn't even have as much impact as 3 or 4 other Townies. Imagine if we knew the teams were supposed to be balanced - after you flip green, then I get mislynched there is no reading of Oat's and Turnkeg's filters. Scibebria never makes his hypothesis post about the Axle wagon. No one even needs to bother re-reading the thread - lynch Palmar because of balance. That isn't Mafia play. | ||
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On April 12 2013 00:18 DarthPunk wrote: So could a whole bunch of non vets in this game. I still don't see the point. You know something I have noticed though is that 'town leaders' from newbie games really quiet down in the transition to normals, I think a lot of that has to do with all the vet nonsense and thus they are less likely to contribute or take charge as they have in newbies. I quite like the idea of different players taking charge, or at least having the chance to take charge of a scum team. Having 'good scum players' in every scum team would become stagnant and deprives newer players that opportunity to grow and shine. Even if they don't succeed the opportunity is important. Case in point. Look at oats in this game fucking take charge in the scum QT and improve DRASTICALLY from his last scum game. He rose to the occasion and even if he lost that still has a heap of value. Furthermore, Who doesn't love a good comeback? or the tale of an underdog overcoming the odds and succeeding? I think there are a lot of intangibles to consider that are more important than some easy wins every now and then. agree with the bolded 10000000%. It's the main reason I take a backseat in many of the games I play. Let someone else develop and have a chance to take control of the game asTown or Scum. Some of my early game posts were just about keeping focus and avoidong what I thought were obvious mislynches. You guys did the heavy lifting. | ||
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On April 12 2013 02:08 WaveofShadow wrote: I think the only thing I didn't get about the hammer was this: (as it was my first Instant Majority Lynch game) I'm rarely worried about how a hammer vote looks, but not hammering in this game as Scum probably was a bad play. Little time left in the day, a couple of wagons pushed, and tons of finger pointing probably means no one worth their salt is going to blame you for the hammer. | ||
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