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On April 08 2013 09:35 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 09:34 Palmar wrote: very good job guys.
@reyn I think it's silly to think this makes marv look worse, in fact I think the fact he didn't bus in the last minute switching (he must've known that when I started yelling at people to lynch Axle that it would end with Axle getting lynched) makes marv look considerably better.
I wonder what this means, maybe Ace and reyn are the two remaining scum? It's Ace and one of Tunkeg/rayn. Choose your poison. Wow if it actually turns out like this I'ma be fairly happy with my performance this game for once. What is this specific reasoning for Tunkeg being included?
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On April 08 2013 09:42 marvellosity wrote: People are being blinded by results rather than means :/ Who's 'people?' You really worry about what Rayn thinks, with his expert analysis?
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Oh yeah that's right, I could theoretically be LR or a Miller or something. Not that it matters.
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Alright clearly I'm missing something here. Can someone explain to me EXACTLY why what I said matters in any way?
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On April 09 2013 00:46 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 00:41 Tunkeg wrote: A random lynch have a higher chance of hitting town...
I will not just throw my vote on anyone to secure a lynch (if I have somewhat of a scumread, then yeah, but in this case no). I will not vote to please the rest of you, I will vote for my targets. The rest of you can go Baaaaaahahah Baahaahha, all you want. You had 1 target. There are 3 scum. Why didnt you think of finding another target or even READING anything about the other people up for lynch? The whole last half of your filter is all WoS. NOTHING else. This. If you all remember, Axle did the exact same thing.....
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See here's my issue - Tunkeg's relentless pushign of my case (as Scib said) has some strong town elements to it, but the tunnel-ocity of it all takes a lot of points away so now I'm unsure again. Same with prplhz - the way in which he attacked Ace (not the fact that he attacked him) made him look really towny to me but it doesn't really explain his voting nicely to me. Ace imo is the strongest lynch and since I was fully prepared to see him hang yesterday, I have no problem voting him now.
##Vote: Ace
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On April 10 2013 02:14 Ace wrote: god damnit I was at work v_v
gg all GG Ace. Someday I'll understand your playstyle.
Also I'm back hai guise.
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It's funny, I had a strong townread on him through most of the first day since his case on me looked pretty good (though there were issues with it) and mostly through his force of will to push his case, which is a very townie thing to do. Then the day began to come to a close and as I've mentioned before, the tunneling aspect of his attitude and refusal to even consider anyone else's reads or make any of his own looks just awful. I'm not sure if I can see that as inherently scummy on its own though, because I find it difficult to believe-----wait a minute. Mid thought I had a flash.
Tunkeg disappeared before the Axle lynch properly came into fruition, correct? This means at the time Tunkeg saw his that his lynch on me was going nowhere (knowing I'm town), but assuming he had enough towncred based on his push on me to last him the evening/the game so he could leave without switching his vote to a more likely mislynch than mine. This way, if Ace did go down D1 he can stand up and say "HAY GUISE LOOK AT WHAT YOU DID U ALL SUCK I TOLD YOU NOT TO LYNCH HIM," and look:
On April 10 2013 00:35 Tunkeg wrote: WTF guys, why do you go on to lynch someone 12 hours after the night post? I think thats fucked up. Especially after a day 1 scumlynch, with a bunch of information and a hell of a lot of work to do if you are trying to figure the game out. Can we calm the fuck down and discuss the lynches and not rush into crap ass lynches?
On April 10 2013 00:41 Tunkeg wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2013 22:30 Palmar wrote: Yeah of course. This means that something is wrong and I need to find out what it is, which kinda sucks as I'm a big fan of random killings.
Ace did point a finger at Oats multiple times on day 1, so that lends some credence to that theory. I also need to go back and look at everyone from day 1.
reyn still feels like the most likely guy to be on the bus wagon, and tunkeg does not look too good. So why am I not looking good again? For not putting my vote on scumbuddy Ace before going to bed? Oh, yeah, I forgot you guys rushed out of the gates and killed him, and he was town. I think you are looking shittier and shittier to be honest. You jumped the bandwagon early on Axle, while claiming it had shit chances to succeed, softdefending and bussing at the same time, you led the town to a crap lynch on Ace, and now you are going after me. To be honest you have been wrong as fuck in this game, and as I allways say, a bad Palmar is a scum Palmar.
Again, it's not this on it's own that actually gives me a scumread on him, it's the timing aspect of how everything worked out. I think if he were about to go to bed and instead it was Axle on the block at the time, he WOULD have switched his vote since all he wanted was towncred at the time. And of course the lack of any coherent reads besides the one on me ALL GAME looks like ass.
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On April 10 2013 06:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:I get the feeling that ypu are nowhere near confirmed town because the confirmed scum Axle didn't want to lynch you when he could have at least nearly hammered you and suddenly when there is no more pressure on you he suddenly did want to lynch you. And you not hammering him does not make you look any townie because Ace would have done that anyways. You also have the weird interaction with Axle about me where you ask about my playstyle and in the same post give him a ready answer to your own question. mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmeh.
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I'm not going to be around until later this evening, but if you guys think I'm scum at this point you've gotta be nuts, or scummy.
I'm leaning Rayn but I could also go prplhz.
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Rayn I still don't get why you couldn't play like this all game. ##Vote: Oatsmaster
Makes more sense to me than prplhz or Rayn right now considering the sheer effort. Now I believe there was some questions n' shit for me? Someone want to reiterate what they want?
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oh THAT'S why Rayn got better as the game progressed lol.
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On April 11 2013 08:56 Ace wrote:quick lynching bastards ![](/mirror/smilies/smile.gif) All 'bout dem quick lynches. Whatever Ace I still like your indecipherable play better than RoL who I watched in Noir pull the same shit he did in The Game and blame others for the loss.
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On April 11 2013 09:00 Ace wrote: np. Lynching me was inevitable if going by sciberbia's theory (which turned out correct) and neither Oats or Tinkeg flipped. I just wished people read my scenario where if I was Scum why didn't I hammer you when I had the chance. Thought that was a dead giveaway but prp tunneled me to death and that got swept under the rug. Yeah my issue was as I said prp's thought processes were more or less exactly what I was thinking about you at the time; imo real hard to do something like that as scum. I figured you not hammering me would be because you'd be worried about how it would look bad rather than just go balls out for the mislynch but I guess not hammering (as can be seen in the scum QT) is just considered bad scum paly.
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Oh yeah, can I have an answer as to exactly what is bad about this post?
On April 08 2013 10:38 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh yeah that's right, I could theoretically be LR or a Miller or something. Not that it matters.
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On April 11 2013 09:09 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 09:07 WaveofShadow wrote:Oh yeah, can I have an answer as to exactly what is bad about this post? On April 08 2013 10:38 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh yeah that's right, I could theoretically be LR or a Miller or something. Not that it matters. it sounded like something Scum would say in a QT aka thinking out loud. "oh hey neat, I could always claim Miller if I get Cop'd" Sems WIFOM-y to me though, it literally was just me thinking out loud. Ugh, once again though I really should just keep my mouth shut rather than post everything that comes to mind, I get the issue I suppose.
Whatever either way I think this game went a lot better than my last few; didn't freak out when under the gun, posted coherent reads, didn't spam.
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Honestly I think this game comes down to the fact that the hammer failed D1. I'm not sure if that is a result of a weak scumteam or not (I'm leaning not); to me it just seems like bad luck/timing on the scumteam's part on when they decided to leave the thread. Is that bad scum play? Maybe.
On April 11 2013 23:22 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 23:16 GMarshal wrote:
Anyway, blaming the "balance" of rnged rolls seems like a waste of time, its better to focus on lessons learned so that next time that a "weak" mafia team rolls out they know what to do. So, what could the mafia team have done better to establish thread presence? How could they have avoided the disastrous day 1 hammer (if at all)? What was the proper form of damage control post fact? Well, that's the magic isn't it. If you can tell me how players who regularly have low thread impact can all of a sudden have high thread impact, I'm all ears. Mafia will suddenly become a super ez game for everyone ![](/mirror/smilies/puh2.gif) I would argue that I'm usually one of those players who has low thread impact. I've also never rolled scum. Do you know for certain that I won't magically become a good scum player once I finally roll it, or that I'll finally learn what I've been doing wrong in all these games and actually start being a strong town/overall player? You don't, and neither do I just yet. I just don't see the inherent benefit in not RNGing the teams; there's going to be skill imbalances in every game (read: BW/LoL/etc) and one-sided stomps based on which team is better than another. I'm with scib in that I don't think that's a bad thing necessarily. I'd much rather be destroyed by a really good scumteam (or town if I ever hit scum) knowing it was a random selection.
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Marv I feel like you should /obs a whole bunch of games and try to prove your case by accurately predicting the outcome of RNGed games. If you can show with empirical evidence that you are more likely to be able to predict game-winners based on specific players and what teams they're on, or a game is more likely to be won with a specific player on that team, there you could probably make a proper argument for non-RNG balancing. (Not being facetious.) I'm personally not sure that will be possible to do.
(Although Jesus DP, based on your record any time you're in a game we can predict the winner lol)
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