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On April 08 2013 07:17 AxleGreaser wrote:I have seen this post. Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 04:05 Dandel Ion wrote: If no majority is reached by 02:00 GMT (+00:00) (~7 hours from now), we'll end the day in a no-lynch. I am comfortable with my vote where it is on WoS. I will be here for bit then nap then come back. So what you're saying, is you'd rather let the scum have their way and force a no-lynch, just like fucking Tunkeg. I don't give a fuck WHO you vote for at this point, at least DO something. This is so dumb.
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Am I in some sort of Twilight Zone Mafia where it's considered good play to tunnel a vote into oblivion? In Axle's case this just makes him look scummier to me since he's put barely any effort into it, unlike Tunkeg.
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Alright Ace, can you address my post?
On April 08 2013 03:38 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm curious about a few things, Ace. First of all, before you showed up I was already at L-1 and having tried to give town something to use upon my death, someone unvoted me. Marv, I believe. It only got better after that point, not worse and what saved my life were the posts I made before you showed up. Therefore, no need to 'blueclaim' to save my life since it was already saved, yet you show up after and tell me I shouldn't hesitate to claim my role, since you didn't believe I already did. Why try to get a claim out of me?
Second, I am unsure as to what 'trap' exactly you were trying to set. Why would I explicitly lie about a claim like that? I am aware it turned out to be a misunderstanding, but do you think that as scum I would expect to just lie and get out of being under suspicion magically somehow?
The fact that prplhz sees all the same things I do pretty clearly makes me suspect his scumminess if his thoughts are coming from the same place as mine, which troubles me. Prplhz, can I get something else resembling town-assisting attitude from you? If you're actually town and not scum (which is still hard for me to believe given your activity and vote choices/timing) please contribute positively.
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On April 08 2013 07:31 iamperfection wrote: i dont understand all this prplhz love all of sudden.
The fucker didn't even make use of his vote so all his prodding of ace is somewhat useless and didn't even have the balls to outright call ace scum. to me he looks like scared scum afraid to do anything. I agree iamp but it's the fact that he was the only other person who understood my thought process, which (to me at least) is obviously coming from a town place.
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I guess we're waiting on some stuff from Ace; assuming for whatever reason what he comes up with is believable/makes him a bad lynch where do we go? I will not accept no-lynch as a possibility so if I am amply convinced I will move to Axle. Barring that Rayn can be my backup, fuck him.
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So Ace essentially what you're telling me is your entire read/case built around me is predicated on your assumption of me as a bad player, am I following you correctly?
I didn't think you were saved at L-2 (which is a big reason why I didn't vote). If you were going to get lynched I'd rather you claim before the hammer and have the Town debate on that and see if it's worth keeping you alive. It's normal play in majority lynch and I'm sorry if I assumed most people around would behave like that. But once again it makes no sense for me to stick a vote on you in that situation as anyone could end the day with a hammer right after. I thought I made it clear but even though I was leaning in the direction of you being Scum I wanted a bit more information and that is how the entire "where did you claim?" thing happened.
The trap was just seeing if you said "I claimed" and then when I asked, ignored it or just made up a bunch of bs where you didn't really claim but implied it. Like I already said you had no idea I was referring to a roleclaim, and I had no clue you were referring to your post early in the game. As to the bolded - yes. Scum do it all the time because they don't think Townies are reading the thread
You assume 'most people' would behave like that. Immediately trying to discredit my play and make me look bad. If in my mind I already claimed then there was no need to even do so at L-2 since it already happened, never mind what a 'normal player' would do. Obviously if I were in real danger of being lynched I'd blueclaim; do you not remember the clusterfuck in The Game?
Of course I knew you were referring to a roleclaim but I assumed the fact that I told you I did which would direct attention to my first post, without adding any extra info that would make VT the appropriate assumption; we've been over this though, unfair assumption on my part I guess, but you assume I just don't know what you're talking about at all. And as to the bolded, I have never seen scum make that kind of a slip; define 'all the time,' please. It seems you're living in a fictional mafia world where every player is terrible.
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On April 08 2013 08:02 prplhz wrote: @ace what exactly are you trying to do with now and how are you trying to accomplish it? Hey, you. Get your vote off me and to somewhere useful please. That goes for Rayn too.
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On April 08 2013 08:15 Ace wrote:I don't know where I implied my read was based on you being a bad player. It was entirely based on catching you in a lie. I don't know how many different ways I can say this. I'm not trying to discredit your play either. Show nested quote +
Of course I knew you were referring to a roleclaim but I assumed the fact that I told you I did which would direct attention to my first post, without adding any extra info that would make VT the appropriate assumption; we've been over this though, unfair assumption on my part I guess, but you assume I just don't know what you're talking about at all. And as to the bolded, I have never seen scum make that kind of a slip; define 'all the time,' please. It seems you're living in a fictional mafia world where every player is terrible.
An early game post where you post "Phew. Real happy I rolled town this time around" isn't going to be taken as a legit Town claim. Especially when you are under 0 pressure and everyone is just joking around to start the game. I think you're being unrealistic on that one. You can read any of my Mafia games and the attached QTs where I explictly talk about Townies not reading the thread, not seeing Scum lie all because we know they won't go back and look. But I don't want to go further on this as a discussion on this doesn't help the current situation in the thread right now. I already said you're right in that it was unfair of me to make that assumption I did. Let's move on from here: Why vote Marv right now when you know that no traction will be gained from it and we're already fighting a no-lynch due to stubborn people like Tunkeg?
On April 08 2013 08:18 AxleGreaser wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 07:46 sciberbia wrote: @marv Can you stop arguing with DP and get back to me about Axle. I'm looking at his filter from Noir where he flipped town and he is discussing a bunch of different things with a bunch of different people, and seems to be trying to lead town in the right direction. I see none of that this game. I think he's more likely scum than Ace and it seems there is enough interest in lynching him that we can get a legitimate wagon going.
##Vote AxleGreaser
Palmar, can you stop ignoring everything I say to you and tell me why you think AxleGreaser is town? The number of people I discuss things with would depend on the number of questions I had about what people had done. The tendency not to interfere when another person is applying pressure also means, if someone else in the thread is asking the right questions i can listen to there answers rather than just chime in with me too questions. How deeply id you think about why the difference if there is one might exist? Did you ask if there could be a towny reason for the difference? Did you consider the options above? I think I hate your posting just as much as Rayn's....the worst part is I can't even tell what it is about it that I don't like, bad grammar? Convoluted language? It's like having aphasia or something; it makes my brain hurt. Before everyone jumps on my dick his posting LANGUAGE is not why I find him scummy.
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On April 08 2013 08:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Does anyone else think marv's notes on Axle are kinda... terrible? You're not allowed to say things like that until you have something to show yourself.
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On April 08 2013 08:30 Ace wrote: @WoS: I'm up for being convinced about Axle, but I don't think a meta-lynch based on his activity is a strong enough reason. I also mentioned Tunkeg since I think he/she has been even more absent. Here is my defense of his 'pressure' towards me: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168¤tpage=46#904 (Read the underlined/bolded sections and the one at the bottom)
and then this:
On April 08 2013 06:47 WaveofShadow wrote: Where are Axle, Rayn and Ace? And prplhz you're going to keep your vote on me despite your apparent push on Ace?
Scib if we can't consolidate on Ace I would switch to Axle for the record, I've had scumreads on both for a little while. Axle has done too little too cryptically and while I know that's his 'thing,' he hasn't addressed my points on how weak his push on me seems considering its basis. Unlike Tunkeg's case which is at least coherent and has multiple points of fact involved (though wrong), Axle has none of this and instead chooses to focus on the semantics of my interaction with him and Rayn.
From my perspective if I didn't know better I would think his convoluted posting style was some sort of method to prevent people from reading his filter properly but I've seen that's not true. Mainly it comes down to very little effort from him and what he chooses to focus on.
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On April 08 2013 08:40 Palmar wrote: Actually let's narrow it down.
Ace, Sciberbia.
Pick your poison guys. Given that people haven't been able to consolidate at all thus far, I don't think people are going to listen to your random choice of two people (despite the fact that I'm already voting for Ace). I've already stated my vote for today will be on either Ace/Axle/Rayn and I will consolidate as necessary to make sure there is a lynch. WHOA HOLY SHIT A POST FROM RAYN THAT ISNT SHIT GIMME A SEC READING
Alright Rayn, expand on your post. Are you insinuating that Marv is scum or Axle is? Or both?
Also prplhz every time you post I like you more. This especially:
On April 08 2013 08:43 prplhz wrote: okay i simply cannot believe ace's "scum lie because they know townies don't read the thread"-thing. it's rather hilarious considering that everybody in this thread caught the supposed "lie", some (hello) even knew what the hell WoS was talking about (the town claim in the beginning).
he seriously thinks that, when it comes to a claim, WoS is banking on not a single one of the many town players in this game will gloss over his filter and fact check it. i just cannot wrap my head around that line of thought.
a lie in itself doesn't mean anything though, ace never explains why on earth scum would lie about this. "because he knows they will not catch him" is simply not a reason to lie. technically, all fits. ace could have seen it as a lie and then he could lynch him because townies don't lie. but that's the laziest excuse i have seen in as long as i can remember and ace isn't even recanting or anything, he's dead serious about it.
i simply don't get it.
Why the fuck would I do that as a newbie scum? And not only that, 'gloss over my filter' at the point in the game was like less than a page. That is really what scum try to get away with apparently? Ugh I let Ace off too easily it seems....glad my vote is still on him.
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Oh shit are we hammering Axle? Interesting. If I vote him now then Ace gets a free ride claiming he votes for survivability. Ima wait on it.
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Hey, then prplhz, WHY DON'T YOU CHANGE YOUR VOTE
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I would MUCH rather lynch Ace than Axle right now, but as I said I will switch to hammer if necessary.
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Jeez where the fuck was this Rayn at the beginning of the game? So many people coming out of the woodwork and actually posting decently. I don't get wtf is up with prplhz talking a big game and still parking his vote on me though.
Like boggles my fucking mind.
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On April 08 2013 08:59 prplhz wrote: i simply just want both dead. can we push them both to 6 and then put them both to 7 at the same time for a double lynch? Really? You do?
On April 08 2013 08:55 prplhz wrote: i can't believe axle just appeared out of fucking nowhere when we were about to lynch ace.
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I feel like giving prplhz or Ace the hammer gives them an out though and I don't like it. Ace for reasons I already explained and as for prplhz it gives him an excuse for not switching to Ace in the first place despite pushing him all day.
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Alright done. ##Unvote: Ace ##Vote: AxleGreaser
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So day starts at 8AM EST tomorrow?
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