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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
April 05 2013 20:41 GMT
#401
Huh, why do you think Axle actually looked up my Red mafia filter and read it? That's a pretty fucking wishy-washy statement he gave about me and my play in RED.
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sciberbia
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1359 Posts
April 05 2013 20:53 GMT
#402
On April 06 2013 05:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Huh, why do you think Axle actually looked up my Red mafia filter and read it? That's a pretty fucking wishy-washy statement he gave about me and my play in RED.

I doubt he thoroughly read it, but he clearly at least opened it, and looked at it enough to characterize your previous play. It's not wishy/washy. He said you played like a headless chook. Nothing wishy/washy about that.

My point is that it he put some effort into doing something related to figuring out alignments, although he wasn't under any obligation to do so.

Do you think Axle is lying about looking at your filter and is therefore scum? Seems like a very stupid lie to tell.
sciberbia
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1359 Posts
April 05 2013 20:58 GMT
#403
On April 06 2013 02:16 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2013 02:13 sciberbia wrote:
Any thoughts on what I said about Oats? Agree/disagree with my points? Do you guys think he is scum?


Read this (or a couple of pages at least) and get back to me with your opinion on Oats.


Alright marv let's talk about Oats.
I went through the first few pages of his town filter from Red Team, and here is what I found significant:
  • He often asked other people for reads. He does that this game too. Minor townie point.
  • He doesn't seem too concerned with what other people think of him. This means my previous point about him trying to make a safe entry to the thread isn't all that valid. I don't think Oats is the type of person who would be that concerned about it as either alignment.

  • Doesn't make any pointless criticisms of other players, which he does do a bit this game
  • One of my favorite qualities in comparing filters is how "on point" the players posts are. Is he posting just to post, or are his posts right in line with the big issues in the thread? In his red team filter, his posts seem very on point. They all have clear purpose, and go somewhere. I see significantly more "out there" posts in his filter this game.


Also, I missed this before, but either he somehow misunderstood what I was saying, or this part of his case against me is quite a reach. Want to ask him about it, but he's apparently gone for 16+ hours.

+ Show Spoiler +

On April 06 2013 01:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
The questions are not even meant to elicit a proper response, they are questions to try and get the subject, in this case, marv angry and DISRUPT the thread like BH. When this is his only contribution, Its looking really bad.





Overall, reading his previous filter hasn't changed my read on him. I'm still leaning scum. I assume you disagree based on your telling me to read his previous filter. Can you explain why?
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 05 2013 21:07 GMT
#404
He called me useless plenty of times that game, more than I care to mention. I'm sure I wasn't the only one. Talking about this game, he's loud, brash, and confrontational. He's not afraid of any player.

On April 06 2013 00:39 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2013 00:37 marvellosity wrote:
How does it sound like that? He's only talking about Day 1...

Am I not making myself clear?

Im reading it as we kill this guy day 1 and only day 1 because he is a good lynch on day 1.

Like day 1 as in generally, not specifically.

DOES IT NOT READ LIKE THAT TO YOU?


I'd say (and I'm pretty sure Oats would confirm this) that I'm the player he fears most in case he rolls mafia, and he's not afraid to rile me up.

I see no particular reason he should be mafia right now
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
April 05 2013 21:07 GMT
#405
I don't think reading anyone's filter from another game matters if we aren't going to be provided with some heavy context. If Oats' normal behavior is just to yell at people asking for reads all day I'll just chalk it up to him being impatient, for now.

But I do feel as though his posts are more of the variety of just posting just to post to look active. After IMPs endless ranting abou activity and me not looking like I'm scumhunting Oats' fingerpointing binge began.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
sciberbia
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1359 Posts
April 05 2013 21:23 GMT
#406
@marv
Meh. I don't get the feeling Oats would be timid even if he were scum. And he didn't exactly confront you straight-on. More like you were both circling around one of Palmar's posts. Ace and I seem to be in agreement that his posting this game is significantly moreso posting for the sake of posting than it was in Red Team. Do you disagree with this?

Also, what do you think of prplhz drawing extra attention to drawing attention to rayn early D1?
+ Show Spoiler +

On April 05 2013 11:45 prplhz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2013 11:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
okay kill WoS and iamp ok?

no mention of the guy you are currently voting for?

On April 05 2013 11:59 prplhz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2013 11:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 05 2013 09:21 WaveofShadow wrote:
Phew. Real happy I rolled town this time around; I feel really bad for whoever is on my scumteam when I roll mafia for the first time.

Scib, is there no limit in this game as to how long a cycle lasts? If so I could see extending the day being a benefit to town but it really depends on the activity level in general.
And Palmar one entry-post example does not a meta-case make.
I'll go with marv on this one: I hear scum Ace is terrifying and last game he was town we wasted a lot of time on him and mislynched him in the end anyway.

##Vote: Ace

He is voting for Ace because if Ace is scum he is scary... Does it make him scum?
What more do you need??

isn't marv doing the exact same thing?

On April 05 2013 12:15 prplhz wrote:
i don't like how rayn just ignored my question



I would expect veteran players like prplhz, as town, to ignore distracting players like rayn on early D1, instead of drawing attention to them.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 05 2013 21:28 GMT
#407
Pretty sure Ace was merely referring to this game.

prplhz has been pretty shit so far. He starts off with some random read on Axle, and then asks the thread if Axle is usually a 'dwerp' or whatever dumbass word he used.

prplhz bloody played with Axle before in LIX. He even shared a QT with him because they were both mafia, where Axle was pretty Axle-y. He should have an idea about how he plays, and yet he's playing dumb.

Further he pops into the thread 1.5 hours ago to ask why Axle is town, but he doesn't bother sticking around to talk to anyone around it.

prplhz is null leaning a bit scum to me right now. He could just be being shit. This is eminently possible.

Oh yeah, you were talking about his rayn stuff. Don't really read too much into it tbh.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
April 05 2013 21:37 GMT
#408
On April 06 2013 06:28 marvellosity wrote:
Pretty sure Ace was merely referring to this game.

prplhz has been pretty shit so far. He starts off with some random read on Axle, and then asks the thread if Axle is usually a 'dwerp' or whatever dumbass word he used.

prplhz bloody played with Axle before in LIX. He even shared a QT with him because they were both mafia, where Axle was pretty Axle-y. He should have an idea about how he plays, and yet he's playing dumb.

Further he pops into the thread 1.5 hours ago to ask why Axle is town, but he doesn't bother sticking around to talk to anyone around it.

prplhz is null leaning a bit scum to me right now. He could just be being shit. This is eminently possible.

Oh yeah, you were talking about his rayn stuff. Don't really read too much into it tbh.

I was told that this is how he plays every game by Oats.
Also regarding Axle:
On April 05 2013 13:49 AxleGreaser wrote:

@WOS.
While the anchor you gave me here, is anice anchor and all that jazz, having had quick look at his Red team filter
Then yes your description of a headless chook seems about right.

Was there any reason you thought we should lynch a headless chook?


and yes, just before you run off here you can have your "headless chook" read back for now

I would need to see something directly scummy, rather than just noisily anti town..



On April 05 2013 10:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2013 10:45 iamperfection wrote:
On April 05 2013 10:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Can we kill WoS?

why

He is asking Axle if we should kill me. Scumtell #1.



I never mentioned lynching Rayn at all, despite both Axle and Rayn mentioning this.
I found this pretty suspicious at the time but chose to overlook it. Your mentioning of Axle giving our 'exchange' (if you could call it that) context reminded me of it.
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 05 2013 21:44 GMT
#409
So do you draw anything from it?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
sciberbia
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1359 Posts
April 05 2013 21:47 GMT
#410
@WoS
+ Show Spoiler +

On April 05 2013 10:42 WaveofShadow wrote:
Hey Axle, if you're still around, what do you make of rayn flitting about the thread thus far?
I liken him unto a chicken without a head, spraying blood and entrails wherever his dying nervous system directs him. Personally I am loathe to pay him any more mind than this but it would be nice to get a fresh opinion on the matter before partaking of other more worldly pursuits.


You do seem to be inviting Axle to give his opinion on rayn's alignment, so I think rayn's summary of your post was fair.

On the other hand, Axle did seem to have misinterpreted your intentions, but I don't see why bad reading comprehension is suspicious in and of itself. I highly doubt he intentionally lied about what you said.

Also, do you actually want to lynch Ace today? Just because you think he is good at scum?
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
April 05 2013 21:53 GMT
#411
I don't think anything prp has done tells us of his alignment or gets us anywhere right now. I think the two issues at hand are WoS being the only serious person on my wagon after the random joke votes stopped, and Oats' posting.

Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 05 2013 22:26 GMT
#412
Meh, I was kinda hoping Europeans like prplhz and Tunkeg would give me more to work with this evening. Hopefully the Australians and Americans give me some interesting stuff to read when I'm up tomorrow. Might be back in a couple of hours, maybe not. Otherwise I'll read the thread tomorrow and decide who I want to lynch then.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
April 05 2013 22:34 GMT
#413
prplz can dies as well. Im all for one liners but he has kind of just been here. nothing he said was really of value or substance.

also no real follow up with anything that he does
On April 05 2013 12:15 prplhz wrote:
i don't like how rayn just ignored my question

and
On April 06 2013 02:08 prplhz wrote:
does axlegreaser always play like a dwerp?

to
On April 06 2013 04:49 prplhz wrote:
can anybody tell me why axlegreaser is town


If he really wants to do find out axle's alignment why not do some legwork or state clearly what he thinks to promote discussion. Instead he does nothing because he is not trying to figure out aligments because he is scum. He hasn't done any of this and in fact i think i would like to lynch him over anyone else right now

## Unvote
## vote prplz

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
April 05 2013 22:37 GMT
#414
ill be out for dinner back in a few hours

comment on my stuff

i will be watching from my phone as always.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
April 05 2013 23:23 GMT
#415
On April 06 2013 06:53 Ace wrote:
I don't think anything prp has done tells us of his alignment or gets us anywhere right now. I think the two issues at hand are WoS being the only serious person on my wagon after the random joke votes stopped, and Oats' posting.


Are you worried or something? Iamp's wasn't a random joke vote either. If you're going to start saying something then come out and say it; what about me being the only person on your 'wagon' concerns you, and what about Oats' posting concerns you specifically?

And Marv as to me drawing any conclusions, I don't have any right now but I find it suspect that two people both manage to look wrongly into my posting in the exact same way. It's not even like my filter was particularly hard to read or anything; I had 3 POSTS at the time. I didn't change my vote or mention lynching at all in regards to Rayn, he just took it and went:
"HE WANTS TO KILL ME HE MUST BE SCUM!!!!"


One more thing regarding prplhz that I wanted to mention in case anyone finds it interesting: of all of his one liners manage to be soft defenses (except for maybe the last posts regarding Axle).
On April 05 2013 11:45 prplhz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2013 11:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
okay kill WoS and iamp ok?

no mention of the guy you are currently voting for?

Soft defense of Axle.
On April 05 2013 11:36 prplhz wrote:
@iamperfection don't you think you're being a little overzealous here?

Soft defense of Ace.
On April 05 2013 11:59 prplhz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2013 11:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 05 2013 09:21 WaveofShadow wrote:
Phew. Real happy I rolled town this time around; I feel really bad for whoever is on my scumteam when I roll mafia for the first time.

Scib, is there no limit in this game as to how long a cycle lasts? If so I could see extending the day being a benefit to town but it really depends on the activity level in general.
And Palmar one entry-post example does not a meta-case make.
I'll go with marv on this one: I hear scum Ace is terrifying and last game he was town we wasted a lot of time on him and mislynched him in the end anyway.

##Vote: Ace

He is voting for Ace because if Ace is scum he is scary... Does it make him scum?
What more do you need??

isn't marv doing the exact same thing?

Soft defense of me.

Soft defenses rub me the wrong way.

I'm assuming by the vote and what can now barely be constituted as pressure that Axle is prplhz's primary scumread but I'd really like to know why.
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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
April 05 2013 23:52 GMT
#416
24h Votecount:

sciberbia (1): Oatsmaster
Ace (1): WaveofShadow
WaveofShadow (1): raynpelikoneet
AxleGreaser (1): prplhz
iamperfection (2): Palmar, DarthPunk
prplhz (1): iamperfection

Not voting (5): Tunkeg, AxleGreaser, sciberbia, Ace, marvellosity

7 votes needed to lynch.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
sciberbia
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1359 Posts
April 06 2013 00:07 GMT
#417
@WoS
I don't know if you missed my last post, but..

First of all, as a point of fact, rayn didn't misinterpret your post in the same way Axle did.
You posted this, where you ask Axle if he thinks rayn is worth paying attention to. + Show Spoiler +

On April 05 2013 10:42 WaveofShadow wrote:
Hey Axle, if you're still around, what do you make of rayn flitting about the thread thus far?
I liken him unto a chicken without a head, spraying blood and entrails wherever his dying nervous system directs him. Personally I am loathe to pay him any more mind than this but it would be nice to get a fresh opinion on the matter before partaking of other more worldly pursuits.

And rayn summarised your post as 'asking Axle if we should kill rayn', which I think is a fair (although exaggerated) summary.




Moving on,
On April 06 2013 08:23 WaveofShadow wrote:
Are you worried or something? Iamp's wasn't a random joke vote either. If you're going to start saying something then come out and say it; what about me being the only person on your 'wagon' concerns you, and what about Oats' posting concerns you specifically?

Your stance on Ace is confusing. Maybe you could communicate it better.

First, marv made a troll vote on Ace. You jumped on the bandwaggon and voted Ace. How serious was this vote?

Clearly it's not THAT serious because you are talking a lot about prplhz and rayn and not pushing an ace lynch.
On the other hand, it is clearly at least somewhat serious because you said you stand by it.
But if it's somewhat serious, why did you say "I'm with marv on this one" when it was clear marv was just trolling?

Do you really think a policy lynch of Ace is in town's best interests?

I'm confused. Help me out here.
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
April 06 2013 00:48 GMT
#418
da faq is this shit where is everybody

who wants to kill prplz with me? This is not a trick question.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
April 06 2013 01:01 GMT
#419
On April 06 2013 09:07 sciberbia wrote:
@WoS
I don't know if you missed my last post, but..

First of all, as a point of fact, rayn didn't misinterpret your post in the same way Axle did.
You posted this, where you ask Axle if he thinks rayn is worth paying attention to. + Show Spoiler +

On April 05 2013 10:42 WaveofShadow wrote:
Hey Axle, if you're still around, what do you make of rayn flitting about the thread thus far?
I liken him unto a chicken without a head, spraying blood and entrails wherever his dying nervous system directs him. Personally I am loathe to pay him any more mind than this but it would be nice to get a fresh opinion on the matter before partaking of other more worldly pursuits.

And rayn summarised your post as 'asking Axle if we should kill rayn', which I think is a fair (although exaggerated) summary.




Moving on,
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2013 08:23 WaveofShadow wrote:
Are you worried or something? Iamp's wasn't a random joke vote either. If you're going to start saying something then come out and say it; what about me being the only person on your 'wagon' concerns you, and what about Oats' posting concerns you specifically?

Your stance on Ace is confusing. Maybe you could communicate it better.

First, marv made a troll vote on Ace. You jumped on the bandwaggon and voted Ace. How serious was this vote?

Clearly it's not THAT serious because you are talking a lot about prplhz and rayn and not pushing an ace lynch.
On the other hand, it is clearly at least somewhat serious because you said you stand by it.
But if it's somewhat serious, why did you say "I'm with marv on this one" when it was clear marv was just trolling?

Do you really think a policy lynch of Ace is in town's best interests?

I'm confused. Help me out here.

I didn't miss your last post. If that's Rayn's summary of my post it's terrible because I specifically state that I don't want to pay him any mind, I just wanted to hear Axle's opinion of him, which I (sort of) got. How that = lynch I have no idea but you seem to think is somewhat justified. Whatever.

As for Ace, fine, you caught me I suppose. Not the most serious vote around but I must say considering all the reverence people seem to show him it does scare me that we haven't seen anything useful from him yet and people are willing to let him go under the pretense of 'joke pressure.' I guess though it may not make sense to consider policy lynching him as I've heard suggested before if I haven't seen him at work myself. A half-serious vote you can call it I guess, but since iamp/marv left I can't hope to generate any more discussion or anything from Ace himself, it seems.

##Unvote: Ace

I could vote prplhz, but how can I be sure that isn't just his 'typical play' as Oats previously told me?
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sciberbia
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1359 Posts
April 06 2013 01:02 GMT
#420
On April 06 2013 09:48 iamperfection wrote:
da faq is this shit where is everybody

who wants to kill prplz with me? This is not a trick question.

Hi iamp. I think we can all agree that prplhz has shown no indication that he is town, or cares about town. I did not like his cacophony of one-liners that didn't go anywhere. I also didn't like how he drew more attention onto rayn.

If I had to pick a lynch right now, prplhz is in my top two, but I don't see why we should rush him to the gallows. We don't get bonus points for winning the game in under 24 hours, so I'll be holding onto my vote.

I suggest you look into other people until prplhz returns to the thread. Do you have a stance on Oats?

+ Show Spoiler +

bolded prplhz in attempt to help iamp learn correct spelling
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